Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Mockup for collab.sugarlabs.org
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 11:28:52PM -0500, Wade Brainerd wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: All mentioned above could be(already) done in existed env. But the major idea of collab.sl.o proposal is bringing life to existed scheme by stimulating users to share their needs(due to having convenient ASLO for needs site). Hi Aleksey, We definitely need to improve our lines of communication with users (deployments, teachers, students and casual). As a programmer I appreciate a good technical solution to this problem. I think it's more a personal problem than a tech problem though. E.g. we need better relationships between developers and users, more than we need a better form to fill in. And that's really a job for the project leadership, mostly by introducing people and encouraging them to follow up. Tomeu's recent visit to Laboratorio Tecnológico del Uruguay is a great example; if only we could put every Sugar developer at a deployment for a week. I joined the sur list and use Google Translate to feel at least a little bit plugged in :) Still, I occasionally send emails to deployments asking things like Are you guys using Typing Turtle? and What kinds of activities could you use? but rarely hear back. I guess it's a problem when most of the developers speak one language, and most of the users speak one of many others. Agree, I just think we can work in both directions, personal contacts(not all developers could follow this way, especially casual participants) and create convenient tool to treat users needs. I'm personally for lightweight collab.sl.o(to meet only mentioned above issues) and reusing existed development related resources like wiki/launchpad/mls for development process. What do you think about making this idea into an activity, instead of a website? We could take my Report a Problem control panel and turn it into a Feedback activity. I already have the log collector server set up on SL infrastructure - we could turn the feedback into a RSS feed for developers who could detect trends. I'm not sure about the voting stuff - we hardly get any reviews on ASLO as it is, my Typing Turtle score is down to 3 stars because of one middle school kid :) Good catch! I've added it to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Collab_mockup#Possible_implementations Of course it has disadvantage as well in case of running sugar and this activity. It won't play good in case of casual contributor e.g. casual designer who wants to contribute to some education project and has a spare time to compose some peace of art. But maybe this activity is worth trying, we at least can probe some ideas. (BTW, there seems to not be much user representation in the discussion about 0.88 features, which may provide some motivation for this topic) -Wade -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Mockup for collab.sugarlabs.org
Wade, You said: if only we could put every Sugar developer at a deployment for a week. I am a teacher and doctoral student managing a deployment of 150 XOs/SOAS and would love to have this happen! Gerald On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: All mentioned above could be(already) done in existed env. But the major idea of collab.sl.o proposal is bringing life to existed scheme by stimulating users to share their needs(due to having convenient ASLO for needs site). Hi Aleksey, We definitely need to improve our lines of communication with users (deployments, teachers, students and casual). As a programmer I appreciate a good technical solution to this problem. I think it's more a personal problem than a tech problem though. E.g. we need better relationships between developers and users, more than we need a better form to fill in. And that's really a job for the project leadership, mostly by introducing people and encouraging them to follow up. Tomeu's recent visit to Laboratorio Tecnológico del Uruguay is a great example; if only we could put every Sugar developer at a deployment for a week. I joined the sur list and use Google Translate to feel at least a little bit plugged in :) Still, I occasionally send emails to deployments asking things like Are you guys using Typing Turtle? and What kinds of activities could you use? but rarely hear back. I guess it's a problem when most of the developers speak one language, and most of the users speak one of many others. I'm personally for lightweight collab.sl.o(to meet only mentioned above issues) and reusing existed development related resources like wiki/launchpad/mls for development process. What do you think about making this idea into an activity, instead of a website? We could take my Report a Problem control panel and turn it into a Feedback activity. I already have the log collector server set up on SL infrastructure - we could turn the feedback into a RSS feed for developers who could detect trends. I'm not sure about the voting stuff - we hardly get any reviews on ASLO as it is, my Typing Turtle score is down to 3 stars because of one middle school kid :) (BTW, there seems to not be much user representation in the discussion about 0.88 features, which may provide some motivation for this topic) -Wade ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Mockup for collab.sugarlabs.org
Hi Wade, thanks for your initiative ! We would like to adjust (contribute?) to your efforts, since we just begin to try the same in a mini-environment: (student-)developers at our university + teacher students + teachers at Austrian schools. Walther PS: preliminary homepage www.ist.tugraz.at/projects/isac/rp Wade Brainerd wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: All mentioned above could be(already) done in existed env. But the major idea of collab.sl.o proposal is bringing life to existed scheme by stimulating users to share their needs(due to having convenient ASLO for needs site). Hi Aleksey, We definitely need to improve our lines of communication with users (deployments, teachers, students and casual). As a programmer I appreciate a good technical solution to this problem. I think it's more a personal problem than a tech problem though. [...] -- Walther Neuper Mailto: neu...@ist.tugraz.at Institute for Software Technology Tel: +43-(0)316/873-5728 University of Technology Fax: +43-(0)316/873-5706 Graz, Austria Home: www.ist.tugraz.at/neuper ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Mockup for collab.sugarlabs.org
Wade, You said: if only we could put every Sugar developer at a deployment for a week. I am a teacher and doctoral student managing a deployment of 150 XOs/SOAS and would love to have this happen! Gerald On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Walther Neuper neu...@ist.tugraz.at wrote: Hi Wade, thanks for your initiative ! We would like to adjust (contribute?) to your efforts, since we just begin to try the same in a mini-environment: (student-)developers at our university + teacher students + teachers at Austrian schools. Walther PS: preliminary homepage www.ist.tugraz.at/projects/isac/rp Wade Brainerd wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: All mentioned above could be(already) done in existed env. But the major idea of collab.sl.o proposal is bringing life to existed scheme by stimulating users to share their needs(due to having convenient ASLO for needs site). Hi Aleksey, We definitely need to improve our lines of communication with users (deployments, teachers, students and casual). As a programmer I appreciate a good technical solution to this problem. I think it's more a personal problem than a tech problem though. [...] -- Walther Neuper Mailto: neu...@ist.tugraz.at Institute for Software Technology Tel: +43-(0)316/873-5728 University of Technology Fax: +43-(0)316/873-5706 Graz, Austria Home: www.ist.tugraz.at/neuper ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Mockup for collab.sugarlabs.org
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 05:28, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: All mentioned above could be(already) done in existed env. But the major idea of collab.sl.o proposal is bringing life to existed scheme by stimulating users to share their needs(due to having convenient ASLO for needs site). Hi Aleksey, We definitely need to improve our lines of communication with users (deployments, teachers, students and casual). As a programmer I appreciate a good technical solution to this problem. I think it's more a personal problem than a tech problem though. E.g. we need better relationships between developers and users, more than we need a better form to fill in. This is certainly my opinion as well. The language problem is there, but though I'm a native spanish speaker I rarely get a reply when contacting someone from a deployment. Though if most people at SLs spoke spanish, then we could work stronger in this area. Any infrastructure we set up for feedback needs to take into account that most of our users are not comfortable using english, and that's a bit hard of a problem. Regards, Tomeu And that's really a job for the project leadership, mostly by introducing people and encouraging them to follow up. Tomeu's recent visit to Laboratorio Tecnológico del Uruguay is a great example; if only we could put every Sugar developer at a deployment for a week. I joined the sur list and use Google Translate to feel at least a little bit plugged in :) Still, I occasionally send emails to deployments asking things like Are you guys using Typing Turtle? and What kinds of activities could you use? but rarely hear back. I guess it's a problem when most of the developers speak one language, and most of the users speak one of many others. I'm personally for lightweight collab.sl.o(to meet only mentioned above issues) and reusing existed development related resources like wiki/launchpad/mls for development process. What do you think about making this idea into an activity, instead of a website? We could take my Report a Problem control panel and turn it into a Feedback activity. I already have the log collector server set up on SL infrastructure - we could turn the feedback into a RSS feed for developers who could detect trends. I'm not sure about the voting stuff - we hardly get any reviews on ASLO as it is, my Typing Turtle score is down to 3 stars because of one middle school kid :) (BTW, there seems to not be much user representation in the discussion about 0.88 features, which may provide some motivation for this topic) -Wade ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Mockup for collab.sugarlabs.org
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:30, Gerald Ardito gma...@gmail.com wrote: Wade, You said: if only we could put every Sugar developer at a deployment for a week. I am a teacher and doctoral student managing a deployment of 150 XOs/SOAS and would love to have this happen! Is your deployment in New York? Regards, Tomeu Gerald On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: All mentioned above could be(already) done in existed env. But the major idea of collab.sl.o proposal is bringing life to existed scheme by stimulating users to share their needs(due to having convenient ASLO for needs site). Hi Aleksey, We definitely need to improve our lines of communication with users (deployments, teachers, students and casual). As a programmer I appreciate a good technical solution to this problem. I think it's more a personal problem than a tech problem though. E.g. we need better relationships between developers and users, more than we need a better form to fill in. And that's really a job for the project leadership, mostly by introducing people and encouraging them to follow up. Tomeu's recent visit to Laboratorio Tecnológico del Uruguay is a great example; if only we could put every Sugar developer at a deployment for a week. I joined the sur list and use Google Translate to feel at least a little bit plugged in :) Still, I occasionally send emails to deployments asking things like Are you guys using Typing Turtle? and What kinds of activities could you use? but rarely hear back. I guess it's a problem when most of the developers speak one language, and most of the users speak one of many others. I'm personally for lightweight collab.sl.o(to meet only mentioned above issues) and reusing existed development related resources like wiki/launchpad/mls for development process. What do you think about making this idea into an activity, instead of a website? We could take my Report a Problem control panel and turn it into a Feedback activity. I already have the log collector server set up on SL infrastructure - we could turn the feedback into a RSS feed for developers who could detect trends. I'm not sure about the voting stuff - we hardly get any reviews on ASLO as it is, my Typing Turtle score is down to 3 stars because of one middle school kid :) (BTW, there seems to not be much user representation in the discussion about 0.88 features, which may provide some motivation for this topic) -Wade ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Mockup for collab.sugarlabs.org
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:37, Walther Neuper neu...@ist.tugraz.at wrote: Hi Wade, thanks for your initiative ! We would like to adjust (contribute?) to your efforts, since we just begin to try the same in a mini-environment: (student-)developers at our university + teacher students + teachers at Austrian schools. That sounds great! Please keep us posted. If I can help in any way, we could meet either in Graz or in Prague. Regards, Tomeu Walther PS: preliminary homepage www.ist.tugraz.at/projects/isac/rp Wade Brainerd wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: All mentioned above could be(already) done in existed env. But the major idea of collab.sl.o proposal is bringing life to existed scheme by stimulating users to share their needs(due to having convenient ASLO for needs site). Hi Aleksey, We definitely need to improve our lines of communication with users (deployments, teachers, students and casual). As a programmer I appreciate a good technical solution to this problem. I think it's more a personal problem than a tech problem though. [...] -- Walther Neuper Mailto: neu...@ist.tugraz.at Institute for Software Technology Tel: +43-(0)316/873-5728 University of Technology Fax: +43-(0)316/873-5706 Graz, Austria Home: www.ist.tugraz.at/neuper ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Mockup for collab.sugarlabs.org
n Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Gerald Ardito gma...@gmail.com wrote: Wade, You said: if only we could put every Sugar developer at a deployment for a week. I am a teacher and doctoral student managing a deployment of 150 XOs/SOAS and would love to have this happen! Hi Gerald, Can I find more information about your deployment somewhere? Best, -Wade ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Mockup for collab.sugarlabs.org
Walther, It's great to hear that people are doing the combined developer - teacher - student approach. It was just a rhetorical idea so it's awesome to see it occurring in practice :) ReckonPrimer looks quite cool btw. I especially like how the development has been tied to pedagogical efforts. Do you think it will be stable enough to post on activities.sugarlabs.org soon? Best regards, Wade 2010/1/8 Walther Neuper neu...@ist.tugraz.at: Hi Wade, thanks for your initiative ! We would like to adjust (contribute?) to your efforts, since we just begin to try the same in a mini-environment: (student-)developers at our university + teacher students + teachers at Austrian schools. Walther PS: preliminary homepage www.ist.tugraz.at/projects/isac/rp Wade Brainerd wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: All mentioned above could be(already) done in existed env. But the major idea of collab.sl.o proposal is bringing life to existed scheme by stimulating users to share their needs(due to having convenient ASLO for needs site). Hi Aleksey, We definitely need to improve our lines of communication with users (deployments, teachers, students and casual). As a programmer I appreciate a good technical solution to this problem. I think it's more a personal problem than a tech problem though. [...] -- Walther Neuper Mailto: neu...@ist.tugraz.at Institute for Software Technology Tel: +43-(0)316/873-5728 University of Technology Fax: +43-(0)316/873-5706 Graz, Austria Home: www.ist.tugraz.at/neuper ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Mockup for collab.sugarlabs.org
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: All mentioned above could be(already) done in existed env. But the major idea of collab.sl.o proposal is bringing life to existed scheme by stimulating users to share their needs(due to having convenient ASLO for needs site). Hi Aleksey, We definitely need to improve our lines of communication with users (deployments, teachers, students and casual). As a programmer I appreciate a good technical solution to this problem. I think it's more a personal problem than a tech problem though. E.g. we need better relationships between developers and users, more than we need a better form to fill in. And that's really a job for the project leadership, mostly by introducing people and encouraging them to follow up. Tomeu's recent visit to Laboratorio Tecnológico del Uruguay is a great example; if only we could put every Sugar developer at a deployment for a week. I joined the sur list and use Google Translate to feel at least a little bit plugged in :) Still, I occasionally send emails to deployments asking things like Are you guys using Typing Turtle? and What kinds of activities could you use? but rarely hear back. I guess it's a problem when most of the developers speak one language, and most of the users speak one of many others. I'm personally for lightweight collab.sl.o(to meet only mentioned above issues) and reusing existed development related resources like wiki/launchpad/mls for development process. What do you think about making this idea into an activity, instead of a website? We could take my Report a Problem control panel and turn it into a Feedback activity. I already have the log collector server set up on SL infrastructure - we could turn the feedback into a RSS feed for developers who could detect trends. I'm not sure about the voting stuff - we hardly get any reviews on ASLO as it is, my Typing Turtle score is down to 3 stars because of one middle school kid :) (BTW, there seems to not be much user representation in the discussion about 0.88 features, which may provide some motivation for this topic) -Wade ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
