Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] the SoaS term (was: Press release flurry planning...)
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:28:09PM +0200, David Van Assche wrote: [Sugar on a Stick] should [...] describe the medium by which sugar is delivered (a usb stick) Nowhere is there any mention of something distro specific, nor should there be. I'm amused that a few meme-weeks ago we had a discussion which implied the other side: Sugar on a Stick meant a solution including not only a specific distro's livecd .iso filesystem, but also a set of best practices for running a Sugar-based curriculum, Sugar documentation manuals, Sugar teacher training guidelines, XS-based (or -like) backup solution, wireless network topology guidelines, and educational theory suggestions. Quite the other side of a spectrum from some source code from git.sugarlabs.org put on a USB stick with no partition table, which I think you're saying is perfectly reasonable :). I am actually quite surprised that this discussion is coming up on a mailing list that is very open source based. Taking ownership of a very generic term goes against the philosophy/politics of open source in general. This has nothing to do with open source as defined by its creators: http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd . I think you're saying appropriating a general term to disenfranchise a constituency is unfair and inconsistent with everyone's peer-imposed duty to take a constructive, supportive, and inclusion-sensitive role in the community. We need inclusion but not at all cost. Regards, David Van Assche Martin pgpx6bGihfovw.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] the SoaS term (was: Press release flurry planning...)
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 08:26:53PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 07:45:45PM +0200, David Van Assche wrote: can we please try and use the term SoaS slighlty more agnostically. Right now, every time its mentioned it always uses the Fedora backend without question or debate. [...] I completely disagree. To me, SoaS is a specific distribution coined by Sugar enthusiasts (who happen to also most/all of them also to be Sugar developers). I disagree as well. I'm quite satisfied with SugarLabs' support and usage of the SoaS .ISO as produced by sdz and its team, especially because the largest distributor of Sugar continues to use the same base distro on its laptops. Kind regards, - Jonas Martin pgpGNKVakwiaV.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] the SoaS term
Hi, I completely disagree. To me, SoaS is a specific distribution coined by Sugar enthusiasts (who happen to also most/all of them also to be Sugar developers). I disagree as well. I'm quite satisfied with SugarLabs' support and usage of the SoaS .ISO as produced by sdz and its team, especially because the largest distributor of Sugar continues to use the same base distro on its laptops. Disagreement thirded. Sugar on a Stick is a reasonable proper noun; it's not like Fedora on a Stick or openSUSE on a Stick are in use, which would be a convincing argument towards the phrase being generic. I think that one of the reasons the name was chosen was due to the pun of a lollipop being sugar on a stick, so the name's specific to Sugar in that way. I think SoaS has been widely understood to refer to a set of popular Fedora builds that Sugar Labs (rather than a distribution) creates itself, as a product. It might have been good to pick a different name in the beginning, but it doesn't seem like it's worth changing that now. - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
