[Sugar-devel] Doubt
Dear community members, I am Deepanshu Arora, a recent graduate from Netaji Subhas Institute Of Technology, Delhi University. I have been exploring Sugar environment on my Ubuntu machine, and have found it simply wonderful. I went through FLOSS manuals for installing Sugar, and have encountered a problem. When i bring my mouse over the XO symbol in home view,i am not able to see control panel option there. Options it shows are:reboot,shutdown,register, about this XO.(no control panel). As many things are to be done with control panel (like personalizing,*joining network*,updates etc.)..so i am stuck because of this. is this some version problem??I have installed ubuntu 8.04.1 on my laptop. or can i access control panel from somewhere else??(I can personalize it from terminal but cant join network or share). please help me out.Waiting for the reply. Thanx Deepanshu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Collaborative game using Etoys
Hi Bert, I actually don't have any intention on how I want to implement it. I only have my problem and try to figure out how something like this can be done. I will have a look at your link and come back later when I can ask more specific questions. Martin 2009/5/31 Bert Freudenberg > On 31.05.2009, at 19:40, Martin Bleichner wrote: > > Hello, > > I am trying to implement a (kind of) social science experiment, and would > like to do that in squeak/etoys. > For that I would like to connect four computers. On each computer you see a > shared screen. Each user can manipulate one aspect on that screen. > More specifically: There is one ball in the center of the screen. Each of > the users can move the ball in only one direction (up, down, left or right). > They control the ball together. > > I was pointed to this mailinglist for help. > > Is something like this possible? > What would I need for it? > I would really appreciate some help. Put it simple, I use etoys for a > reason :) Thanks. > > > If you only intend to run this under Sugar (which was not clear when you > asked on the squeak-dev list) then the Telepathy "D-Bus Tubes" using the > Squeak DBus bindings should be the simplest way to implement collaboration: > > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac/Shared_Sugar_Activities > > - Bert - > > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Doubt
On 06/01/2009 08:54 AM, deepanshu arora wrote: > Dear community members, > > I am Deepanshu Arora, a recent graduate from Netaji Subhas Institute Of > Technology, Delhi University. I have been exploring Sugar environment on my > Ubuntu machine, and have found it simply wonderful. > > I went through FLOSS manuals for installing Sugar, and have encountered a > problem. > > When i bring my mouse over the XO symbol in home view,i am not able to see > control panel option there. > Options it shows are:reboot,shutdown,register, about this XO.(no control > panel). As many things are to be done with control panel (like > personalizing,*joining network*,updates etc.)..so i am stuck because of > this. > > is this some version problem??I have installed ubuntu 8.04.1 on my laptop. > > or can i access control panel from somewhere else??(I can personalize it > from terminal but cant join network or share). > > please help me out.Waiting for the reply. > > > Thanx > Deepanshu In Sugar 0.84 the option is labeled "My Settings". I guess in this version it is labeled "About this XO" then. Hopes this helps. Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Help wanted remixing the Help Activity
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > The Help Activity gives us a place to tell Users that Sugar is a Community > Project run by volunteers and we welcome them, their questions and their > help That great message also belongs in the Browse home page, http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/browse/repos/mainline/blobs/master/data/index.html which could usefully link to online help and/or the local help files. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] modifications to schoolserver.py and ds-backup.py
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 04:39, Hamilton Chua wrote: > Hello, > > I have been testing SoaS and implemented a couple of modificaitons to > schoolserver.py and ds-backup.py that basically .. > > - enable an SoaS to register with an XS > - read the registration info in order to allow backup/restore with the > XS the SoaS is registered with > > I would like to kindly ask how I can get the modifications reviewed by > the group and into the release build. Should I open a ticket with the > files attached ? Hi, one ticket sounds good if the patch is not too big. If it is and you find a good way of splitting it, then would be better to have several tickets. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/CodeReview Thanks, Tomeu > Thanks, > > Hamilton Chua > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Fwd: Sugar Labs DC Summer Workshop
Wow, with a little organization this could be an excellent "test lab" for SoaS classroom scenarios over the summer! And perhaps an outstanding opportunity for work on orphaned Activities? Sean On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Mike Lee wrote: > All, > > Jeff is ramping up Sugar activity in DC this summer...see below. > > I'll make some signage for their workshop area and take lots of photos. > > How else should this be marketed? > > Mike > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Jeff Elkner > Date: Sun, May 31, 2009 at 8:18 PM > Subject: Re: Sugar Labs DC Summer Workshop > To: David Morris > Cc: Jamie Boisture , Mike Lee > , Walter Bender , Luke > Faraone , Kathleen Conley , Jason > Straw , David Welsh , Nancy Opsut > > > > I will be teaching Python to middle school students as part of the Summer > enrichment program at the Governor's Career and Technical Academy in > Arlington during 4 weeks in July. That will keep me busy from 8 am to 4:30 > pm. > > At the same time, graduating senior Jamie Boisture will be coming in to do > work porting the Graphics API for Students of Python (GASP), from pygame to > pycairo. I plan to work out a schedule with Jamie that starts him later in > the day and runs into the evening hours, so that I and others who work > during the business day can participate. None of this has been finalized, > since the specifics as to what and the when will depend on the interest and > availabilities of participants. > > By "workshop" I'm thinking of a shop where work gets done. I'm not planning > a formal program, but rather a gathering place for folks interested in > working on Sugar development to come and work together, exchange ideas, and > hack on Sugar. It is my goal to have on-going work on Sugar development > taking place at the Governor's Academy for years to come. > > If you have anything specific you would like to do, please let me know. I > have a room available with 15 computers from 4:30 to 9:30 pm Monday to > Friday during the month of July. I would be more than happy to stay any > evening to accomodate Sugar developement. > > Thanks! > > jeff elkner > > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 3:30 PM, David Morris > wrote: >> >> Luke told me about the Summer workshop, and I would be very interested. >> >> I will learn py. I've learned VB and C++; it shouldn't be too hard. >> >> David Morris > > > ___ > Marketing mailing list > market...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Library-1
Hi all, This is in initial release of Library activity. I decided to release it before implementing collab features to get some feedback about UI and basic ideas of activity. So, it can browse only local objects. == Bundle == http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4089 == NEWS == * Add filter to ObjectChooser invoking * Browse local objects == TODO fot v2 == * Run in 0.82 environment * Implement collab features -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Localization] Help activity
Seth Woodworth wrote: > If not for Rainbow I think that the help activity and the browser could > access the same material. ?? I can visit file:///home/olpc/Activities/Help.activity/help/XO_Introduction.html fine in Browse in 8.2.1. (Does having a developer key affect Rainbow file access restrictions?) On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Yama Ploskonka responded: > >> >> The point of having the Help activity as its own icon was to put it as >> close and easy to the user as possible. ... > > As is now, an inconspicuous icon among many, low usability score. I think a prominent help icon and "Need help?" text on Browse's start page would be far more discoverable than a (?) among many, but I live in the browser. The OLPC 8.2.1 start page is http://dev.laptop.org/git/library/library-activity/tree/library-common/layout.tmpl Code rebuilds the nifty expanding Library of local content whenever you install content, see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Library , this could also detect installation of local help. The SugarLabs start page is http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/browse/repos/mainline/blobs/master/data/index.html Sugar distributions lack the expanding Library (SL ticket 574) but maybe that's moot if http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Library comes to fruition. You can determine in JavaScript if there's a local help manual in the file system or not and create a link to it accordingly; seems-to-work code is at http://www.skierpage.com/olpc/show_help.html Seth: > I really really really owe the Sugar community a long email documenting > what the heck went on with the Help activity last year http://wiki.laptop.org/go/FLOSSManuals has a section ready and waiting ;-) Cheers, -- =S Page ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-06-01
===Sugar Digest === 1. I am reminded of the power of IRC almost daily. Not only is it a place to ask a question, but it is a window into a wealth of discussion among domain experts trying to solve problems. An analogy can be made to the "Engine Culture" described by David Cavallo in his PhD thesis: in rural Thailand, engineers would work on motorcycle engines ''en plein air'', retrofitting them to solve the problem ''du jour''—a rice mill, a water pump, etc.—while the village children would gather around, taking in everything. IRC provides a similar opportunity. Hanging out in #sugar presents a great opportunity to gather around and take in everything. We should experiment with ways to broaden participation with this learning opportunity. Some thoughts: In Sugar, we bundle an IRC Activity that defaults to #sugar. * Is there more we can do to encourage participation? * Should we be creating a more diverse set of channels populated by experts in other disciplines? * Perhaps even a channel per Activity? * Has anyone every written a bot to export an IRC channel to Twitter or Facebook? It might to increase the reach of the discussion to a new audience. 2. Bruce Byfield wrote an article for "Activities and the move to context-oriented desktops" for LWN.net for which he interviewed Gary Martin. The article is subscriber-only, so I have extract a few quotes. :The concept of Activities originates in Sugar, the desktop designed for the One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project. In Sugar, "Activities" is used as a synonym for "application." However, Gary C. Martin, one of the coordinators for Sugar's Activity Team, explains that the change is more than semantics or marketing. Because Activities run within the general collaborative frame of Sugar, using them is intended as a very different experience than running a standalone application on a traditional desktop. ::For me, the key parts of Activities are that they combine concepts of document, executable, and collaboration state into a single, simple to use user interface. With the Activity state automatically kept in the Journal, it's easy to resume or reflect on past work, and, with realtime collaboration as a first class feature, peer sharing and group work is strongly encouraged. :In other words, Sugar's Activities are not just about running an application, or learning how to produce a spreadsheet or a presentation. Instead, they are conceived as part of the total learning experience that Sugar is designed to provide. 3. It is great to see some of the core ideas such as Activities that underly Sugar become more mainstream. This will help us to broaden our community and our reach. C. Scott Ananian [http://cananian.livejournal.com/tag/google+wave blogged] about Google [http://www.waveprotocol.org/whitepapers/operational-transform Wave], a new collaboration model that has many goals in common with the Sugar collaboration model. Meanwhile, Benjamin Schwartz continues to make progress on his Google Summer of Code project, GroupThink, a completely decentralized, asynchronous text editing system. 4. Between interviews, Gary has been busy cranking out mock ups for a new Sugar splash screen [[Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations|]] 5. All in a name: We have been have a discussion on the lists and in IRC about what to call the pending Sugar on a Stick release. The confusion lies in the gulf between the "stick", which will consist of Sugar Sucrose 0.84 and Fedora 11, both of which are essentially frozen, and the needs of a school to make a successful deployment, which includes requirements beyond the individual sticks themselves, e.g., a backup mechanism, documentation, etc. On the one hand, the developer have completed their work and are preparing to move on to the next phase: Sucrose 0.86 and Fedora 12. On the other hand, we don't want to set expectations that Sugar on a Stick is complete in regard to classroom settings, where we are only just beginning to do testing. One proposed solution to this communications dichotomy is to use separate names for an individual stick and a collection of sticks used in a school setting. The best I've been able to come up with for the latter is ''Sugar Grove''. Please share any thoughts you might have on naming with the SoaS and Marketing teams. ===Help Wanted=== 6. My plea for help this week is in regard to orphaned activities. There is a list of activities with no active maintainer [[Activity_Team/Activity_Status]] in the wiki. Adopting one or more of these activities would make a great summer project and be a practical way into Sugar development. ===In the community=== 7. Sugar will be well represented at LinuxTag in Berlin [http://www.linuxtag.org/2009/] at the end of June. There will be a Sugar Camp in Berlin following LinuxTag, so plan to stay in town for a few extra days. Details soon. ===Tech Talk=== 8. David Van Assche reported over the weekend about the extraordinary progress made by the openSUSE team.
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Labyrinth-7
On 05/31/2009 08:56 PM, Gary C Martin wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Latest version of Labyrinth, fresh out of the oven.
>
> == Source ==
>
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Labyrinth/Labyrinth-7.tar.bz2
>
> == Bundle ==
>
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4078/
>
> == Wiki page ==
>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Labyrinth
>
> == News ==
>
> * Now supports "Keep to PDF" ("Keep to PDF" can be found under the
> Keep button), so you can now upload PDFs of your maps for non-Sugar
> users to view, or transfer them for easy printing.
>
> * Includes all the latest available language files, that covers at
> least Spanish, French, German, Greek, Italian, Kinyarwanda, Tamil, and
> I'm sure many more (it's hard to see the full list).
>
> Happy mind-mapping (tested on both XO-1 with 0.82, and sugar-jhbuild
> 0.84)!
>
> Regards,
> --Gary
Awesome, does work very nicely. I can export to PDF just fine. The
labeling "Keep to PDF" -> maybe as it is grouped under the "keep" button
you only need to label it Postscript (PDF), as the Write activity is
doing as well?
What I find a bit hard to find out from the interface is to use the
right mouse click to move an item, or the windows-key+left mouse click
to pan in the image. Hard to expose this as a button in the interface.
Maybe it could be mentioned in the first 'click to add a first
thought'-bubble that there is more info on the wiki?
Regards,
Simon
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Labyrinth-7
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 14:06, Simon Schampijer wrote:
> On 05/31/2009 08:56 PM, Gary C Martin wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Latest version of Labyrinth, fresh out of the oven.
>>
>> == Source ==
>>
>> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Labyrinth/Labyrinth-7.tar.bz2
>>
>> == Bundle ==
>>
>> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4078/
>>
>> == Wiki page ==
>>
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Labyrinth
>>
>> == News ==
>>
>> * Now supports "Keep to PDF" ("Keep to PDF" can be found under the
>> Keep button), so you can now upload PDFs of your maps for non-Sugar
>> users to view, or transfer them for easy printing.
>>
>> * Includes all the latest available language files, that covers at
>> least Spanish, French, German, Greek, Italian, Kinyarwanda, Tamil, and
>> I'm sure many more (it's hard to see the full list).
>>
>> Happy mind-mapping (tested on both XO-1 with 0.82, and sugar-jhbuild
>> 0.84)!
>>
>> Regards,
>> --Gary
>
> Awesome, does work very nicely. I can export to PDF just fine. The
> labeling "Keep to PDF" -> maybe as it is grouped under the "keep" button
> you only need to label it Postscript (PDF), as the Write activity is
> doing as well?
PS and PDF are two totally different formats from the user point of
view. Where in Write we have the label "Postscript (PDF)"?
Regards,
Tomeu
> What I find a bit hard to find out from the interface is to use the
> right mouse click to move an item, or the windows-key+left mouse click
> to pan in the image. Hard to expose this as a button in the interface.
> Maybe it could be mentioned in the first 'click to add a first
> thought'-bubble that there is more info on the wiki?
>
> Regards,
> Simon
>
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Labyrinth-7
On 06/01/2009 02:17 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 14:06, Simon Schampijer wrote:
>> On 05/31/2009 08:56 PM, Gary C Martin wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Latest version of Labyrinth, fresh out of the oven.
>>>
>>> == Source ==
>>>
>>> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Labyrinth/Labyrinth-7.tar.bz2
>>>
>>> == Bundle ==
>>>
>>> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4078/
>>>
>>> == Wiki page ==
>>>
>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Labyrinth
>>>
>>> == News ==
>>>
>>> * Now supports "Keep to PDF" ("Keep to PDF" can be found under the
>>> Keep button), so you can now upload PDFs of your maps for non-Sugar
>>> users to view, or transfer them for easy printing.
>>>
>>> * Includes all the latest available language files, that covers at
>>> least Spanish, French, German, Greek, Italian, Kinyarwanda, Tamil, and
>>> I'm sure many more (it's hard to see the full list).
>>>
>>> Happy mind-mapping (tested on both XO-1 with 0.82, and sugar-jhbuild
>>> 0.84)!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> --Gary
>> Awesome, does work very nicely. I can export to PDF just fine. The
>> labeling "Keep to PDF" -> maybe as it is grouped under the "keep" button
>> you only need to label it Postscript (PDF), as the Write activity is
>> doing as well?
>
> PS and PDF are two totally different formats from the user point of
> view. Where in Write we have the label "Postscript (PDF)"?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tomeu
I meant - without the "Keep to" addition. Only specifying the format.
Regards,
Simon
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Labyrinth-7
On 06/01/2009 02:17 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 14:06, Simon Schampijer wrote:
>> On 05/31/2009 08:56 PM, Gary C Martin wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Latest version of Labyrinth, fresh out of the oven.
>>>
>>> == Source ==
>>>
>>> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Labyrinth/Labyrinth-7.tar.bz2
>>>
>>> == Bundle ==
>>>
>>> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4078/
>>>
>>> == Wiki page ==
>>>
>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Labyrinth
>>>
>>> == News ==
>>>
>>> * Now supports "Keep to PDF" ("Keep to PDF" can be found under the
>>> Keep button), so you can now upload PDFs of your maps for non-Sugar
>>> users to view, or transfer them for easy printing.
>>>
>>> * Includes all the latest available language files, that covers at
>>> least Spanish, French, German, Greek, Italian, Kinyarwanda, Tamil, and
>>> I'm sure many more (it's hard to see the full list).
>>>
>>> Happy mind-mapping (tested on both XO-1 with 0.82, and sugar-jhbuild
>>> 0.84)!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> --Gary
>> Awesome, does work very nicely. I can export to PDF just fine. The
>> labeling "Keep to PDF" -> maybe as it is grouped under the "keep" button
>> you only need to label it Postscript (PDF), as the Write activity is
>> doing as well?
>
> PS and PDF are two totally different formats from the user point of
> view. Where in Write we have the label "Postscript (PDF)"?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tomeu
Of course mixing pdf and postscript was not right from my side. Maybe
someone has a better labeling here.
Thanks,
Simon
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Doubt
On 06/01/2009 02:45 PM, deepanshu arora wrote: > ´About this XO´ only shows me details like my name,version number etc(it > is read-only). > I cannot configure anything from that(like control panel). > > regards > Deepanshu In 0.84 the menu to get to the control panel looks something like this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Releases/Sucrose/0.84#XO_Menu In 0.82 something like this: http://en.flossmanuals.net/Sugar/Personalising Then you have the options there like: language, network etc Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-06-01
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 07:51:08AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: > ===Sugar Digest === > ===Help Wanted=== > > 6. My plea for help this week is in regard to orphaned activities. > There is a list of activities with no active maintainer > [[Activity_Team/Activity_Status]] in the wiki. Adopting one or more of > these activities would make a great summer project and be a practical > way into Sugar development. Unfortunately the page mentioned isn't that helpful, as it doesn't say which activities are orphaned: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/Activity_Status I'd very much like this information to be able to point UK Laptop Lending Library[1] lendees to activities which are orphaned that they might play around with to get a flavour for Sugar Activity development. If nobody has / will make any plans to update this page, I propose to mark all activities whose status is blank to have the status "orphaned" and then wait for the hate mail (and ownership claims) to flow in. Any better ideas please action them (I can think of plenty of better ideas, but lack the time to implement them). Martin pgpa7o414s3AS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-06-01
Go for it!! -walter On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 07:51:08AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: >> ===Sugar Digest === >> ===Help Wanted=== >> >> 6. My plea for help this week is in regard to orphaned activities. >> There is a list of activities with no active maintainer >> [[Activity_Team/Activity_Status]] in the wiki. Adopting one or more of >> these activities would make a great summer project and be a practical >> way into Sugar development. > > Unfortunately the page mentioned isn't that helpful, as it doesn't > say which activities are orphaned: > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/Activity_Status > > I'd very much like this information to be able to point UK Laptop > Lending Library[1] lendees to activities which are orphaned that they > might play around with to get a flavour for Sugar Activity > development. > > If nobody has / will make any plans to update this page, I propose to > mark all activities whose status is blank to have the status > "orphaned" and then wait for the hate mail (and ownership claims) to > flow in. > > Any better ideas please action them (I can think of plenty of better > ideas, but lack the time to implement them). > > Martin > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Localization] Help activity
Hi, I see a few issues that pretty much need to be solved in order. 1. How can we enable writers to easily change the Help Content, bring it up to date and customize it for the XO and for Sugar on a Stick. 2. Who will bring it up to date and customize it? 3. How can it be localized effectively? 4. Who will enable different versions to go into different releases? 5. How will people find the Help content, a ? in the activity ring and/or from Browse. Its easy to discuss #5 bur really until we solve the ones above it it hardly matters. So how can I help cause issue 1 to be solved? Thanks, Caroline On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 6:44 AM, S Page wrote: > Seth Woodworth wrote: > > If not for Rainbow I think that the help activity and the browser could > access the same material. > > ?? I can visit > file:///home/olpc/Activities/Help.activity/help/XO_Introduction.html > fine in Browse in 8.2.1. (Does having a developer key affect Rainbow > file access restrictions?) > > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Yama Ploskonka > responded: > > > >> > >> The point of having the Help activity as its own icon was to put it as > >> close and easy to the user as possible. ... > > > > As is now, an inconspicuous icon among many, low usability score. > > I think a prominent help icon and "Need help?" text on Browse's start > page would be far more discoverable than a (?) among many, but I live > in the browser. > > The OLPC 8.2.1 start page is > > http://dev.laptop.org/git/library/library-activity/tree/library-common/layout.tmpl > Code rebuilds the nifty expanding Library of local content whenever > you install content, see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Library , this > could also detect installation of local help. > > The SugarLabs start page is > > http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/browse/repos/mainline/blobs/master/data/index.html > Sugar distributions lack the expanding Library (SL ticket 574) but > maybe that's moot if http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Library > comes to fruition. > > You can determine in JavaScript if there's a local help manual in the > file system or not and create a link to it accordingly; seems-to-work > code is at http://www.skierpage.com/olpc/show_help.html > > Seth: > > I really really really owe the Sugar community a long email documenting > > what the heck went on with the Help activity last year > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/FLOSSManuals has a section ready and waiting ;-) > > Cheers, > -- > =S Page > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Localization] Help activity
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > Hi, > > I see a few issues that pretty much need to be solved in order. > > How can we enable writers to easily change the Help Content, bring it up to > date and customize it for the XO and for Sugar on a Stick. > Who will bring it up to date and customize it? > How can it be localized effectively? > Who will enable different versions to go into different releases? > How will people find the Help content, a ? in the activity ring and/or from > Browse. > > Its easy to discuss #5 bur really until we solve the ones above it it hardly > matters. > > So how can I help cause issue 1 to be solved? > Throwing somewhat random ideas, http://jfearn.fedorapeople.org/Publican/ and http://socghop.appspot.com/student_project/show/google/gsoc2009/redhat/t124024692194 may be relevant for what we need. Conditional tagging in Publican may be very useful: http://jfearn.fedorapeople.org/Publican/conditionaltagging.html Thanks, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine
Luke and Sasha are working on a new USB format that they feel will allow more machines to boot and support VM + Stick http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/USB_format Perhaps the issue you are running into (which we have definitely seen before) is related to some of the ones they are looking at and part of why they need two boot partitions that are slightly different. On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:32 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > Hello Peter & Jeremy, > > I've found an ordinary desktop PC (with Phoenix Award BIOS 6.00PG) that > won't boot off a USB stick created by livecd-tools-024 with syslinux > (tested both versions 3.75 and 3.81). > > The boot process drops to the "boot:" prompt with an error message: > > could not find kernel image: linux > > The same USB stick boots fine on any other computer I could find. > Does it seem like a syslinux bug? And if turns out to be a known BIOS > bug, is there a good workaround? > > -- > // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ > \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-06-01
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Library-1
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:39, Aleksey Lim wrote: > Hi all, > > This is in initial release of Library activity. I decided to release it > before implementing collab features to get some feedback about UI and basic > ideas of activity. So, it can browse only local objects. Impressive work, congratulations Aleksey! Eben, Christian and others interested in new ideas about the Journal, could you give a look at this activity (will install in Soas like any other activity) and play a bit with it? Thanks, Tomeu > == Bundle == > > http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4089 > > == NEWS == > > * Add filter to ObjectChooser invoking > * Browse local objects > > == TODO fot v2 == > > * Run in 0.82 environment > * Implement collab features > > -- > Aleksey > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] What is the vision for software update?
Hi, We are working on making software update (both activities and underlying OS) work for Sugar on a Stick and we aren't that clear on what the vision, spec and state of code is for software update on the XO. Does it require Root to update the software? Do students do it themselves somehow? Do updates come from the school server or an OLPC server somewhere? Is the updating of activities vs sugar code vs fedora code integrate or separate? We are imagining that having the XS control all this is the optimal solution. Do other people see it the same way? Is this code written for the XS+XO or speced and not yet written or wished for but not yet speced? -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] What is the vision for software update?
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 11:54:34AM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote:
> Does it require Root to update the software?
root is required to update the OS via yum/rpm.
> Do students do it themselves somehow?
Students can update Activities via the Sugar control panel.
> Is the updating of activities vs sugar code vs fedora code integrate or
> separate?
There are separate mechanisms for Activties vs. OS code updates. The
pros and cons of this have been periodically discussed ("rpm vs. xo"
debates).
> We are imagining that having the XS control all this is the optimal
> solution.
I think it should work, but not be required or optimal. SoaS does,
and should continue to, work well independently of an XS.
Martin
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[Sugar-devel] Differing font sizes on the XO and in Sugar Emulation
This weekend I attempted to resolve a bug report on Read Etexts where
there was some strange behavior with font resizing. When I investigated
I remembered how this bug came to be.
It seems that if you DON'T explicitly set a font in your Sugar Activity
it will look identical in sugar-emulator and on an XO. Unfortunately if
you *do* set a font what looks like a reasonable sized font in the
development environment will be a MUCH LARGER font on the XO. My goal
with Read Etexts was to give a text view with the default font and allow
the users to make it larger or smaller, just like Read has the Zoom In
and Zoom Out feature. Now there does not seem to be a way to find out
what font a text viewer is currently using. All you can do, from what I
have seen, is to set it to a font and then change the font you have
set. I wanted to set it to "sans 12". Looks good in sugar-emulator,
ridiculously large on the XO.
Any insight on this problem would be appreciated. I tried the following
code from one of Tomeu's postings:
from sugar.graphics import style
pango.FontDescription("sans %d" % style.zoom(72))
It did not have any effect.
Thanks,
James Simmons
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Differing font sizes on the XO and in Sugar Emulation
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 18:26, James Simmons wrote:
> This weekend I attempted to resolve a bug report on Read Etexts where
> there was some strange behavior with font resizing. When I investigated
> I remembered how this bug came to be.
>
> It seems that if you DON'T explicitly set a font in your Sugar Activity
> it will look identical in sugar-emulator and on an XO. Unfortunately if
> you *do* set a font what looks like a reasonable sized font in the
> development environment will be a MUCH LARGER font on the XO. My goal
> with Read Etexts was to give a text view with the default font and allow
> the users to make it larger or smaller, just like Read has the Zoom In
> and Zoom Out feature. Now there does not seem to be a way to find out
> what font a text viewer is currently using. All you can do, from what I
> have seen, is to set it to a font and then change the font you have
> set. I wanted to set it to "sans 12". Looks good in sugar-emulator,
> ridiculously large on the XO.
Hmm, setting a fixed font size of 10 should give you the same font
size as used anywhere in the UI.
> Any insight on this problem would be appreciated. I tried the following
> code from one of Tomeu's postings:
>
> from sugar.graphics import style
> pango.FontDescription("sans %d" % style.zoom(72))
We don't need to scale ourselves any more because Pango is already
doing it for us.
In the last soas image I have (almost one month old), the XO has a
very small font size, not sure why but I will try a more recent one.
Regards,
Tomeu
> It did not have any effect.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James Simmons
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Differing font sizes on the XO and in Sugar Emulation
Tomeu,
I got Read Etexts 12 to be good enough to criticize over the weekend,
and it demonstrates this bug. It's on ASLO. Also, I've noticed that
the Develop Activity has a very small font when I run it in
sugar-emulator. I never tried it on an XO, but I'm wondering if it's
the same problem.
James Simmons
Hmm, setting a fixed font size of 10 should give you the same font
size as used anywhere in the UI.
Any insight on this problem would be appreciated. I tried the following
code from one of Tomeu's postings:
from sugar.graphics import style
pango.FontDescription("sans %d" % style.zoom(72))
We don't need to scale ourselves any more because Pango is already
doing it for us.
In the last soas image I have (almost one month old), the XO has a
very small font size, not sure why but I will try a more recent one.
Regards,
Tomeu
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Localization] Help activity
I can't answer all or even most of your questions, but they are the right ones to be asking. Your order of solving the issues makes sense for a plan to go into place, but I think they are orthogonal issues, and will be solved by completely different groups. 1. How can we enable writers to easily change the Help Content, bring it > up to date and customize it for the XO and for Sugar on a Stick. If by writers you mean the Sugar community, I'm willing to help document and streamline things considerably. If you're trying to solve the issue for X deployment or user, I think that it's a bit harder, but mostly the same issue. 2. Who will bring it up to date and customize it? It is mostly up to date for .82, it's just not complete. It doesn't cover a lot of the activities yet, nor hardly any support issues. The decision needs to be made if the current revision of the text is frozen as far as .82/8.2.0 is concerned or if it will be improved independently of text for .84 and SoaS. > >1. > > 3. How can it be localized effectively? I think that Localization should be happening inside of FlossManuals' toolset. It us up to us to let people/deployments know this, and encourage them. > > 4. Who will enable different versions to go into different releases? That is entirely up to those who are making releases. nubae > Gentoo&Edubuntu, ?? > SaoS, and me for OLPC. > 5. How will people find the Help content, a ? in the activity ring and/or > from Browse. While I live in the browser, chidren, esp those who do not have internet, may not. Technical implementation aside, I feel it should be in both locations; Browse/Library and in the Activity ring. Neither is ideal. P.S. I *still* owe and will work on documenting. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Running Sugar with sugar-jhbuild - questions
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[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Record-64
== Bundle == http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4081 == Sources == http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-64.tar.bz2 == NEWS == * #848 Hide photo/video tabs if camera doesn't exist * Update .po files -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 11:38:05AM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: I've found an ordinary desktop PC (with Phoenix Award BIOS 6.00PG) that won't boot off a USB stick created by livecd-tools-024 with syslinux (tested both versions 3.75 and 3.81). The boot process drops to the "boot:" prompt with an error message: could not find kernel image: linux If it already gets to this stage, the new partition setup won't help. The same USB stick boots fine on any other computer I could find. Very strange and unfortunately out of my area of knowledge. One last idea: Have you tried other USB sticks yet? Perhaps it's a hardware incompatibility. Does it seem like a syslinux bug? And if turns out to be a known BIOS bug, is there a good workaround? FWIW, the machine (Tyan S2495 based) I'm doing some USB stick testing on also claims to be Phone Award BIOS 6.00PG and it works fine (albeit slow). CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 09:38:23AM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/USB_format I don't understand why 128 heads. 64 heads is the more compatible version. I simply chose the largest possible power of two. As you point out, 64 is actually better because that's what ZIP disks use. We talked about this on IRC today, but the wiki page hasn't been updated yet. Part of me also wonders if using EXTLINUX might not be easier for you, too. Part of our problem is that we don't know what quirks actually exist in real hardware, so we're trying to come up with something that hopefully is as compatible as possible. Using FAT is part of that. If we'd know for sure using ext2 would work equally there's no reason not to use it. BTW: How does Windows handle USB sticks with "unknown" formatting? CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Labyrinth-7
Hi Simon,
On 1 Jun 2009, at 13:06, Simon Schampijer wrote:
> On 05/31/2009 08:56 PM, Gary C Martin wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Latest version of Labyrinth, fresh out of the oven.
>>
>> == Source ==
>>
>> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Labyrinth/Labyrinth-7.tar.bz2
>>
>> == Bundle ==
>>
>> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4078/
>>
>> == Wiki page ==
>>
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Labyrinth
>>
>> == News ==
>>
>> * Now supports "Keep to PDF" ("Keep to PDF" can be found under the
>> Keep button), so you can now upload PDFs of your maps for non-Sugar
>> users to view, or transfer them for easy printing.
>>
>> * Includes all the latest available language files, that covers at
>> least Spanish, French, German, Greek, Italian, Kinyarwanda, Tamil,
>> and
>> I'm sure many more (it's hard to see the full list).
>>
>> Happy mind-mapping (tested on both XO-1 with 0.82, and sugar-jhbuild
>> 0.84)!
>>
>> Regards,
>> --Gary
>
> Awesome, does work very nicely. I can export to PDF just fine. The
> labeling "Keep to PDF" -> maybe as it is grouped under the "keep"
> button you only need to label it Postscript (PDF), as the Write
> activity is doing as well?
lol :-) To keep it similar to Write I had been using "Portable
Document Format (PDF)" as the string but thought it too ungainly, I'd
just taken it out prior to release:
http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/labyrinth/repos/mainline/commits/84c9f787d5490cc1fdfeae2a5ccd5ca57b1c2c96
But your right, I just had a trigger finger on that change. I have a
bunch more export formats to add in an upcoming release (PNG, JPG) so
that menu will get larger anyway. I'll revert. :-)
> What I find a bit hard to find out from the interface is to use the
> right mouse click to move an item, or the windows-key+left mouse
> click to pan in the image. Hard to expose this as a button in the
> interface.
Yes... Tell me about it... It's been a real fix'er'upper as far as the
original GNOME Labyrinth UI 'design' (I use that word speculatively).
Lot's of things I'd like to improve, but lots of spaghetti...
> Maybe it could be mentioned in the first 'click to add a first
> thought'-bubble that there is more info on the wiki?
I set-up that 'click to add a first thought'-bubble to be part of a
multi step help hint to get you going, the intent was once you added
your first thought, you'd get some new help hint message telling you a
few more tricks. Good idea, bad idea?
Thanks for the test and feedback!
Regards,
--Gary
> Regards,
> Simon
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On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 13:57, Sascha Silbe < sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org> wrote: > Part of me also wonders if using EXTLINUX might not be easier for you, >> too. >> > Part of our problem is that we don't know what quirks actually exist in > real hardware, so we're trying to come up with something that hopefully is > as compatible as possible. Using FAT is part of that. > If we'd know for sure using ext2 would work equally there's no reason not > to use it. BTW: How does Windows handle USB sticks with "unknown" > formatting? Windows cannot handle USB devices that have more than one partition, as far as I am aware. Windows treats unknown partitions as unformatted, and, if it displayed the disk at all, would prompt the user to format the device. ext(2, 3) is supported in Windows via a free (as in beer) kernel driver. If ext3 were to cause problems, we could loopmount a ext3 partition on a fat filesystem, but there would be no reason that it would have negative effects. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-06-01
On 1 Jun 2009, at 14:11, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 07:51:08AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: >> ===Sugar Digest === >> ===Help Wanted=== >> >> 6. My plea for help this week is in regard to orphaned activities. >> There is a list of activities with no active maintainer >> [[Activity_Team/Activity_Status]] in the wiki. Adopting one or more >> of >> these activities would make a great summer project and be a practical >> way into Sugar development. > > Unfortunately the page mentioned isn't that helpful, as it doesn't > say which activities are orphaned: > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/Activity_Status > > I'd very much like this information to be able to point UK Laptop > Lending Library[1] lendees to activities which are orphaned that they > might play around with to get a flavour for Sugar Activity > development. > > If nobody has / will make any plans to update this page, I propose to > mark all activities whose status is blank to have the status > "orphaned" and then wait for the hate mail (and ownership claims) to > flow in. > > Any better ideas please action them (I can think of plenty of better > ideas, but lack the time to implement them). There is a lot more information than shown on that page, the wiki page was an early shot at presenting some of it (as I remember). There are also several spread sheets kicking around in various states and attempts to track Activities, their Authors and orphaned status and who's looking after what (for ~130+ odd Activities). Perhaps it would be sane to only manually keep a wiki table of know abandoned activities, ideally just missing gems we hope to find homes for? If an activity is adopted is should disappear from the page given that should start to appear out in the regular SL Activity infrastructure. Equally, if an author is no longer able to maintain a project, we should point them to the table and ask that they add their orphaned Activity. Help welcome! Regards, --Gary P.S. Seems intern projects and other such sprints are great for kicking out Activity code, but seems statistically few have had the stamina/time needed to maintain it past the end date. P.P.S as Activities move over to the SL infrastructure, keeping track of this will be much saner; here's the main SL infrastructure resources. http://git.sugarlabs.org (home of Sugar Labs git repositories) http://dev.sugarlabs.org (bug, feature & task developer tickets) http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities (community wiki page for an Activity) http://activities.sugarlabs.org (public facing location for downloading Activity bundles) > Martin > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 02:19:54PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: >On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 13:57, Sascha Silbe < >sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org> wrote: > >> Part of me also wonders if using EXTLINUX might not be easier for you, >>> too. >>> >> Part of our problem is that we don't know what quirks actually exist in >> real hardware, so we're trying to come up with something that hopefully is >> as compatible as possible. Using FAT is part of that. >> If we'd know for sure using ext2 would work equally there's no reason not >> to use it. BTW: How does Windows handle USB sticks with "unknown" >> formatting? > > >Windows cannot handle USB devices that have more than one partition, as far >as I am aware. Windows treats unknown partitions as unformatted, and, if it >displayed the disk at all, would prompt the user to format the device. > >ext(2, 3) is supported in Windows via a free (as in beer) kernel driver. > >If ext3 were to cause problems, we could loopmount a ext3 partition on a fat >filesystem, but there would be no reason that it would have negative >effects. ext3 is on-disk compatible with ext2, so I would expect an ext2 driver to properly mount an ext3 partition as ext2 (which is perfectly fine, it will just not use journaling for that mount session). The runtime more optimal ext4 (with journaling disabled, so that it runs faster than ext2 or ext3 but does not wear out the usb stick too fast) on the other hand is *not* on-disk compatible and will require a driver that explicitly handles ext4 (including that non-journal feature which was added in 2.6.29 ar thereabout). - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkokIwYACgkQn7DbMsAkQLhSUwCeJGY7FfRPaovdw3kpt4io+1Bz c2cAoIY6Il9L0hx5r/E6pedb59bY4BhD =CB5l -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine
I believe the U3 crudware gets around the Windows limitation by pretending to be a hub, presenting 3 or 4 logical volumes to Windows from a single USB key. I know there is a Windows-only installer which is difficult to get rid of (you have to give U3 piles of personal information for the "right" to download the uninstaller, whose license forbids you to distribute it, etc.) Sean On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Luke Faraone wrote: > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 13:57, Sascha Silbe > wrote: >>> >>> Part of me also wonders if using EXTLINUX might not be easier for you, >>> too. >> >> Part of our problem is that we don't know what quirks actually exist in >> real hardware, so we're trying to come up with something that hopefully is >> as compatible as possible. Using FAT is part of that. >> If we'd know for sure using ext2 would work equally there's no reason not >> to use it. BTW: How does Windows handle USB sticks with "unknown" >> formatting? > > Windows cannot handle USB devices that have more than one partition, as far > as I am aware. Windows treats unknown partitions as unformatted, and, if it > displayed the disk at all, would prompt the user to format the device. > > ext(2, 3) is supported in Windows via a free (as in beer) kernel driver. > > If ext3 were to cause problems, we could loopmount a ext3 partition on a fat > filesystem, but there would be no reason that it would have negative > effects. > > -- > Luke Faraone > http://luke.faraone.cc > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine
Sascha Silbe wrote: > BTW: How does Windows handle USB sticks with "unknown" > formatting? I'd guess it offers to format them for you. (I want to say I have seen this recently, which means it was probably some time I was using my ext2-formatted usb stick.) -- Matthew Please do not quote my e-mail address unobfuscated in message bodies. -- 73% of all statistics are made up on the spot. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Library-1
I have installed in to SoaS recent snapshot. Installs fine but I don't see anything when I open it. On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:39 AM, Aleksey Lim wrote: > Hi all, > > This is in initial release of Library activity. I decided to release it > before implementing collab features to get some feedback about UI and basic > ideas of activity. So, it can browse only local objects. > > == Bundle == > > http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4089 > > == NEWS == > > * Add filter to ObjectChooser invoking > * Browse local objects > > == TODO fot v2 == > > * Run in 0.82 environment > * Implement collab features > > -- > Aleksey > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Library-1
Or to be more specific. I see the UI but none of the things that are in my Journal, which is what I think I expect to see. On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > I have installed in to SoaS recent snapshot. Installs fine but I don't see > anything when I open it. > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:39 AM, Aleksey Lim wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> This is in initial release of Library activity. I decided to release it >> before implementing collab features to get some feedback about UI and >> basic >> ideas of activity. So, it can browse only local objects. >> >> == Bundle == >> >> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4089 >> >> == NEWS == >> >> * Add filter to ObjectChooser invoking >> * Browse local objects >> >> == TODO fot v2 == >> >> * Run in 0.82 environment >> * Implement collab features >> >> -- >> Aleksey >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > > > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Doubt
On 06/01/2009 08:49 PM, deepanshu arora wrote: > I think this is sugar version problem. > I should update my sugar to 8.2.0 (sugar .82) version > but i am not able to find currect code for the same..(also sudo olpc-update > 767 dont work).. > can u plz provide me the correct method for updation. > > thankyou very much for your support > deepanshu [please keep on using reply all so it is send to the sugar-devel list] You are using ubuntu, correct? Can you please give the version of your Ubuntu and the version of the installed sugar package. The olpc-update is only for the XO - the olpc laptop. For updating in another system you have to use the update mecahnisms provided by the system (apt-get; aptitude, yum...) Regards, Simon > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Simon Schampijerwrote: > >> On 06/01/2009 02:45 PM, deepanshu arora wrote: >> >>> ´About this XO´ only shows me details like my name,version number etc(it >>> is read-only). >>> I cannot configure anything from that(like control panel). >>> >>> regards >>> Deepanshu >>> >> In 0.84 the menu to get to the control panel looks something like this: >> >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Releases/Sucrose/0.84#XO_Menu >> >> In 0.82 something like this: >> http://en.flossmanuals.net/Sugar/Personalising >> >> >> Then you have the options there like: language, network etc >> >> Regards, >>Simon >> > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Doubt
yess..m using ubuntu 8.04.1 version. i have tried to update my sugar using terminal but it is showing that my sugar is already the newest version. then ,why is control panel option not there?? Regards Deepanshu On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: > > On 06/01/2009 08:49 PM, deepanshu arora wrote: > >> I think this is sugar version problem. >> I should update my sugar to 8.2.0 (sugar .82) version >> but i am not able to find currect code for the same..(also sudo >> olpc-update >> 767 dont work).. >> can u plz provide me the correct method for updation. >> >> thankyou very much for your support >> deepanshu >> > > [please keep on using reply all so it is send to the sugar-devel list] > > You are using ubuntu, correct? Can you please give the version of your > Ubuntu and the version of the installed sugar package. > > The olpc-update is only for the XO - the olpc laptop. For updating in > another system you have to use the update mecahnisms provided by the system > (apt-get; aptitude, yum...) > > Regards, > Simon > > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Simon Schampijer> >wrote: >> >> On 06/01/2009 02:45 PM, deepanshu arora wrote: >>> >>> ´About this XO´ only shows me details like my name,version number etc(it is read-only). I cannot configure anything from that(like control panel). regards Deepanshu In 0.84 the menu to get to the control panel looks something like this: >>> >>> >>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Releases/Sucrose/0.84#XO_Menu >>> >>> In 0.82 something like this: >>> http://en.flossmanuals.net/Sugar/Personalising >>> >>> >>> Then you have the options there like: language, network etc >>> >>> Regards, >>> Simon >>> >>> >> > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Doubt
deepanshu arora wrote: > yess..m using ubuntu 8.04.1 version. > i have tried to update my sugar using terminal but it is showing that my > sugar is already the newest version. > then ,why is control panel option not there?? Mmm... did you install it using apt? Looking at the repositories, exactly here [0] and here [1], it seems that hardy (8.04) uses version 0.79 of sugar, while Intrepid (8.10) uses 0.82. This means that many things can be different in the sugar interface. 0.82 is the current version for XO laptops. The solution could then be upgrading your machine to a more recent release of your favorite OS. Hope this helps Andrea [0] http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/sugar [1] http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/sugar -- Andrea Mangiatordi www.farfalla-project.org www.bglug.it ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Doubt
On 06/01/2009 10:35 PM, Andrea Mangiatordi wrote: > deepanshu arora wrote: >> yess..m using ubuntu 8.04.1 version. >> i have tried to update my sugar using terminal but it is showing that my >> sugar is already the newest version. >> then ,why is control panel option not there?? > > Mmm... did you install it using apt? > Looking at the repositories, exactly here [0] and here [1], it seems > that hardy (8.04) uses version 0.79 of sugar, while Intrepid (8.10) uses > 0.82. > This means that many things can be different in the sugar interface. > 0.82 is the current version for XO laptops. > > The solution could then be upgrading your machine to a more recent > release of your favorite OS. > > Hope this helps > > Andrea > > > [0] http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/sugar > [1] http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/sugar Thanks Andrea for the clarification, as I do not have Ubuntu here I only guessed into the blue ;) Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Localization] Help activity
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Seth Woodworth wrote: > I can't answer all or even most of your questions, but they are the right > ones to be asking. Your order of solving the issues makes sense for a plan > to go into place, but I think they are orthogonal issues, and will be solved > by completely different groups. > > 1. How can we enable writers to easily change the Help Content, bring it >> up to date and customize it for the XO and for Sugar on a Stick. > > > If by writers you mean the Sugar community, I'm willing to help document > and streamline things considerably. If you're trying to solve the issue for > X deployment or user, I think that it's a bit harder, but mostly the same > issue. > Actually I mean the logistics. How can we set this up so multiple authors can work on it and people without technical skills can contribute. Yet at the same time its not a big deal to package it up and put it into a ? Activity and load it onto the activities portal. Seth, if you could set up those technical logistics I think that would be a big help. > > > 2. Who will bring it up to date and customize it? > > > It is mostly up to date for .82, it's just not complete. It doesn't cover > a lot of the activities yet, nor hardly any support issues. The decision > needs to be made if the current revision of the text is frozen as far as > .82/8.2.0 is concerned or if it will be improved independently of text for > .84 and SoaS. > It will be improved independently for at least SoaS. One nice thing about becoming an activity on the activity portal is that it should be easy to update independently of the schedule of larger Sugar releases. Pauline, a Solution Grove writer is working on a SoaS specific update now. So we can get new content in there if we had the technical logistics worked out. > > >>1. >> >> 3. How can it be localized effectively? > > I think that Localization should be happening inside of FlossManuals' > toolset. It us up to us to let people/deployments know this, and encourage > them. > >> >> 4. Who will enable different versions to go into different releases? > > > That is entirely up to those who are making releases. nubae > > Gentoo&Edubuntu, ?? > SaoS, and me for OLPC. > > >> 5. How will people find the Help content, a ? in the activity ring and/or >> from Browse. > > > While I live in the browser, chidren, esp those who do not have internet, > may not. > > Technical implementation aside, I feel it should be in both locations; > Browse/Library and in the Activity ring. Neither is ideal. > > > P.S. I *still* owe and will work on documenting. > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Running Sugar with sugar-jhbuild - questions
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Bastien wrote: > Sascha Silbe writes: > >> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:37:56AM +0200, Bastien wrote: >> >>> What is the equivalent of the .xession when running Sugar from >>> ./sugar-jhbuild ? >> The thing closest to being an xsession equivalent is ~/.sugar/debug. > > Adding "setxkbmap fr" to it works. In my case, 'setxkbmap dvorak' works there. Many thanks. > Thanks, > > -- > Bastien > -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant_of_XO_Avatar_Sugar_Boot.2C_Grey_to_Color_Transition I've finally updated the wiki with my first mockup! Sorry about the delay, I lack graphics editing skills I'm afraid. I have attached comment to the mockup. I keep the XO avatar size stable in this first one, I want to try another one with growing size as expressed yesterday. Note: the idea is this follows a previous page with Sugar logo, version info, copyright notice, and distro logo (+ possibility of school logo). I will try to work those into my next mockup. The spectrum colors were cheerfully eyedropped from an image of Ellsworth Kelly's painting "Spectrum IV" (1967), with the particularity that I thought it interesting to cycle from XO green (mockup green darker than should be, sorry) thanks Sean On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: > Thanks Sean--a visual would be good to fully understand the proposal. > I guess my feeling on all of this is that less is more--as Eben said > earlier, the boot sequence is really just the set-up for the UI. I'd > be happy if we simply did away with the split-XO, but I'm also > on-board with adding a bit of color, though I would caution not to > overthink it. The reason the Mac OS boot sequence you mention works so > well is due to its simplicity. Instead of a face, we have the XO as > our emblem--and the circle, while making a reference to connectedness > and community, transitions into a core feature of the UI in Home... > > Either way, looking forward to seeing your mockups! > > > Christian > > > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Sean DALY wrote: >> I like Gary's most recent one with the dots filling in color >> >> I got halfway through a mockup with XO avatars appearing, then >> Activity icons, but I feel using either will just be too confusing... >> one could think network discovery was happening, or Activity loading. >> >> After much reflection, I think the friendliest greeting we could offer >> to Learners is a face, a Speakish one with eyes rolling around the >> ring (and a growing smile) while the colors come on. There are still >> many people who fell in love with their little Macs because of the >> smiley face. >> >> But... that's outside the Sugar HIG and I would think twice before >> stepping outside of that. So I reread them and came up with this idea >> (which I hope to mock up tomorrow): instead of dots, I want to do >> oblong ovals like a big version of the Activity spinner graphic. I >> searched high and low on sl.o and laptop.org for an SVG but only found >> a lo-res PNG :-( so I'll just improvise ovals. What I like about >> presenting the spinner is: immediate identification of a waiting >> period, no confusion with other elements (the filled in dots are too >> similar to networks in the Neighborhood view). Also I like that the >> spinner has 11, not 12 dividers; that asymmetry is interesting and >> remains clocklike. I like Gary's proposal of empty ones filled with >> color which I'd like to keep. And... I'd like to start the middle XO >> icon small (e.g. neighborhood view size) and step it up in size with >> each spinner step; grow in importance as the system builds, until at >> the end normal size. >> >> As for the colors, I'm not sure I like the color pairs... I'd like to >> try solid colors, moving through the spectrum rainbowlike. Less >> Sugarish perhaps, but visually stronger might be. >> >> Not sure if the initial logo flash is enough, but concerned that >> keeping it around might fight the spinner ring. >> >> Will have a visual tomorrow to show (holiday so I will have some time) >> >> thanks >> >> Sean >> >> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt >> wrote: >>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Sean DALY wrote: Re: grey vs. colors in progress: Actually, I have an issue with all-grey... users could worry that colors are not working in the Sugar UI. >>> >>> If we treated the XO in the center in the selected color combination, >>> we would not only address Sean's point, but also act as a signifier of >>> identity. But I take it this is a technical challenge? I do also agree >>> with the point that gray means "in progress". A simplified version of >>> the current boot sequence, without the spinning/split XO, would work >>> well I think. >>> >>> I wouldn't overthink the gray dots--they are just status indicators >>> and the more important aspect in this case (in my opinion) is the XO >>> and the radial arrangement that references the ring in Home. >>> >>> >>> Christian >>> I think we should consider colors although I do appreciate the "still loading" context communicated by grey. I will post a mockup later expressing that approach; grey dots present right from the start (ring power!), filling in with color during progress... the ring "approaching" colors from grey I would not recommend customizing the sp
[Sugar-devel] FM-->DocBook (was Fwd: [FM Discuss] Fwd: Documentation ...)
Here is your invitation to have at FLOSS Manuals to Docbook XML conversion. -- Forwarded message -- From: adam hyde Date: Sun, May 31, 2009 at 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] Fwd: [Sugar-devel] Documentation [WAS: Re: [Localization] Help activity] To: disc...@lists.flossmanuals.net not too tricky...you could try it yourself : 1. view a manual with the chapter _all 2. add the following ?skin=basic that gives you an entire manual without a skin...then u can see the raw html and try out some transformations on that... im offline as i write this but i believe there is some good stuff online about html->docbook transformations if you can write a shell script to do it then we can hack it in somehow adam On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 16:12 -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: > How hard would it be to get the FM software to generate Docbook XML? > That would give us several more output formats. > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Tomeu Vizoso > Date: Thu, May 28, 2009 at 2:45 AM > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Documentation [WAS: Re: [Localization] Help > activity] > To: Sayamindu Dasgupta > Cc: iaep , localizat...@lists.laptop.org, > sugar-devel , "Diogo Serra @ > IPLEIRIA" > > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 21:47, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > > [Jumping into the discussion midway]: > > > > From an l10n point of view, I would highly recommend adopting (and > > perhaps extending) the GNOME documentation framework. It is docbook > > based, which is a format pretty easy to pick up (and I believe > > OpenOffice.org can also export to docbook - though I have never tried > > it out). > > Well, I think it was a decision by the people who wrote the manual to > use floss manuals, I guess it would be up to them which tool they use. > And in the same way, translators would choose the tools that best suit > them. I think that floss manuals has already tools for translation and > also think that people have worked on a translation to spanish, Maybe > we should ask to those people which was their experience with the > floss manuals tool set? > > Regards, > > Tomeu > > > Many programmers and documentation people should This would > > easily let us > > > > a) generate PO files out of the documentation files > > b) merge back translations easily > > c) generate multiple format files (PDF, epub, rtf, etc) > > > > It would be even more incredible if our documentation system can be > > integrated with the work being done at http://tutorius.org/ :-) > > +1 > > What I have been wishing for. > > > A random google search brought up the story of a project which had > > used twiki initially, and then had moved on to docbook: > > http://www.ipcop.org/1.2.0/en/authors_guide/html/what-is-docbook.html > > > > Also, converting existing material might not be _that_ difficult: see > > http://deplate.sourceforge.net/ > > > > > > Thanks, > > Sayamindu > > > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > >> [forwarding to sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org] > >> > >> 2009/5/14 Diogo Serra @ IPLEIRIA : > >>> Hy there, > >>> > >>> Where i can find the *.po of Help activity ? > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> -- > >>> Diogo Serra > >>> Programação e Desenvolvimento > >>> > >>> Campus 5 - Rua das Olhalvas > >>> 2414 - 016 Leiria - PORTUGAL > >>> Tel.: (+351) 244 845 052 | Fax: (+351) 244 845 059 > >>> | diogo.se...@ipleiria.pt | http://ued.ipleiria.pt > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Localization mailing list > >>> localizat...@lists.laptop.org > >>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/localization > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> Sugar-devel mailing list > >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Sayamindu Dasgupta > > [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] > > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > -- Adam Hyde Founder FLOSS Manuals German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563 Email : a...@flossmanuals.net irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals "Free manuals for free software" http://www.flossmanuals.net/about ___ Discuss mailing list disc...@lists.flossmanuals.net http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine
On 06/01/09 08:39, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > I need much more details; *all* Award BIOSes make in the past 10-12 > years have version number 6.00PG. Ouch, I no longer have access to it. I asked the owner to let me know. > Also look for how you have configured your BIOS... some Award BIOSes > have USB-ZIP, USB-HDD, USB-FDD configurations; you generally want USB-HDD. I booted from the BBS menu (F8), the item was labelled something like "USB HDD 2.0". > There are some BIOSes which will boot from USB *only* if it was > formatted with 64 heads, 32 sectors; apparently due to some odd notion > that only zipdrives would be USB. Good to know. Mine looks like this: ber...@giskard:~/src/kernel$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb Disk /dev/sdb: 2055 MB, 2055208960 bytes 221 heads, 2 sectors/track, 9081 cylinders Units = cylinders of 442 * 512 = 226304 bytes Disk identifier: 0x000aa8c2 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 19082 2007006+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA) -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [FM Discuss] FM-->DocBook (was Fwd: Fwd: Documentation ...)
We discussed Docbook quite a bit in March and made one or two limp attempts at conversion. For example: http://lists.flossmanuals.net/pipermail/discuss-flossmanuals.net/2009-March/001157.html There are just two things preventing us from offering automatically generated docbook: 1. Nobody has come up with a concrete enough need for it to even say what good FM docbook would look like (until now?). 2. The source is html written by over 700 people using a mix of wysiwyg editors, twiki markup, hand coding, and cut-and-paste from word processors. It would be easier to concentrate on the first problem. We won't know if the books' source needs a manual clean-up until it is shown to be broken. Douglas ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Here's the second mockup: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a "growing" or "approaching" XO avatar. Comments welcome please. thanks Sean On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Sean DALY wrote: > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant_of_XO_Avatar_Sugar_Boot.2C_Grey_to_Color_Transition > > I've finally updated the wiki with my first mockup! Sorry about the > delay, I lack graphics editing skills I'm afraid. > > I have attached comment to the mockup. I keep the XO avatar size > stable in this first one, I want to try another one with growing size > as expressed yesterday. > > Note: the idea is this follows a previous page with Sugar logo, > version info, copyright notice, and distro logo (+ possibility of > school logo). I will try to work those into my next mockup. > > The spectrum colors were cheerfully eyedropped from an image of > Ellsworth Kelly's painting "Spectrum IV" (1967), with the > particularity that I thought it interesting to cycle from XO green > (mockup green darker than should be, sorry) > > thanks > > Sean > > > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt > wrote: >> Thanks Sean--a visual would be good to fully understand the proposal. >> I guess my feeling on all of this is that less is more--as Eben said >> earlier, the boot sequence is really just the set-up for the UI. I'd >> be happy if we simply did away with the split-XO, but I'm also >> on-board with adding a bit of color, though I would caution not to >> overthink it. The reason the Mac OS boot sequence you mention works so >> well is due to its simplicity. Instead of a face, we have the XO as >> our emblem--and the circle, while making a reference to connectedness >> and community, transitions into a core feature of the UI in Home... >> >> Either way, looking forward to seeing your mockups! >> >> >> Christian >> >> >> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Sean DALY wrote: >>> I like Gary's most recent one with the dots filling in color >>> >>> I got halfway through a mockup with XO avatars appearing, then >>> Activity icons, but I feel using either will just be too confusing... >>> one could think network discovery was happening, or Activity loading. >>> >>> After much reflection, I think the friendliest greeting we could offer >>> to Learners is a face, a Speakish one with eyes rolling around the >>> ring (and a growing smile) while the colors come on. There are still >>> many people who fell in love with their little Macs because of the >>> smiley face. >>> >>> But... that's outside the Sugar HIG and I would think twice before >>> stepping outside of that. So I reread them and came up with this idea >>> (which I hope to mock up tomorrow): instead of dots, I want to do >>> oblong ovals like a big version of the Activity spinner graphic. I >>> searched high and low on sl.o and laptop.org for an SVG but only found >>> a lo-res PNG :-( so I'll just improvise ovals. What I like about >>> presenting the spinner is: immediate identification of a waiting >>> period, no confusion with other elements (the filled in dots are too >>> similar to networks in the Neighborhood view). Also I like that the >>> spinner has 11, not 12 dividers; that asymmetry is interesting and >>> remains clocklike. I like Gary's proposal of empty ones filled with >>> color which I'd like to keep. And... I'd like to start the middle XO >>> icon small (e.g. neighborhood view size) and step it up in size with >>> each spinner step; grow in importance as the system builds, until at >>> the end normal size. >>> >>> As for the colors, I'm not sure I like the color pairs... I'd like to >>> try solid colors, moving through the spectrum rainbowlike. Less >>> Sugarish perhaps, but visually stronger might be. >>> >>> Not sure if the initial logo flash is enough, but concerned that >>> keeping it around might fight the spinner ring. >>> >>> Will have a visual tomorrow to show (holiday so I will have some time) >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt >>> wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Sean DALY wrote: > Re: grey vs. colors in progress: Actually, I have an issue with > all-grey... users could worry that colors are not working in the Sugar > UI. If we treated the XO in the center in the selected color combination, we would not only address Sean's point, but also act as a signifier of identity. But I take it this is a technical challenge? I do also agree with the point that gray means "in progress". A simplified version of the current boot sequence, without the spinning/split XO, would work well I think. I wouldn't overthink the gray dots--they are just status indicators and the more important aspect in this case (in my opinion) is the XO and
Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine
On 06/02/09 03:43, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > Bernie Innocenti wrote: >> Disk /dev/sdb: 2055 MB, 2055208960 bytes >> 221 heads, 2 sectors/track, 9081 cylinders > > I don't know where fdisk, the Linux kernel, or whatever come up with > these kinds of geometries. They're almost universally non-bootable. Ok, I wiped mbr and made fdisk create a new one: Disk /dev/sdb: 2055 MB, 2055208960 bytes 64 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1011 cylinders Units = cylinders of 3968 * 512 = 2031616 bytes Disk identifier: 0xc3790b2f Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 11011 2005793c W95 FAT32 (LBA) I'll try it tomorrow. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] GSoC update: Groupthink demo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have produced a new demo activity, available at http://dev.laptop.org/~bemasc/SharedTextDemo-1.xo . It is a shared text editing activity, running over the usual Telepathy collaboration system. It does not save files. It does not offer colors or fonts or any of the richness of Write. It is very slow, and probably buggy. SharedTextDemo is of interest only to developers, at present. However, it is, I hope very interesting to them. SharedTextDemo uses an operational transformation engine that I have been developing for several months, to provide completely decentralized, asynchronous, reliable document editing. Its algorithms are related to those used by Google Wave, though surely less highly developed, and likely much less efficient. The editing algorithms are not my favorite aspect of the activity. My favorite thing about it is the API. The following is the entirety of the main .py file: """ from groupthink import sugar_tools, gtk_tools import sugar SERVICE = "org.sugarlabs.SharedTextDemo" class SharedTextDemoActivity(sugar_tools.GroupActivity): def __init__(self, handle): super(SharedTextDemoActivity, self).__init__(handle, SERVICE) toolbox = sugar.activity.activity.ActivityToolbox(self) self.set_toolbox(toolbox) toolbox.show() self.cloud.textview = gtk_tools.SharedTextView() self.set_canvas(self.cloud.textview) self.show_all() """ 12 nonblank lines, total. Everything else is provided by the library. Adding a shared TextView to an existing activity takes arguably a single line. Groupthink is available at http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/dobject/ - --Ben Schwartz Groupthink: Collaboration should be easy. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkokoXEACgkQUJT6e6HFtqSFrwCdE40KiikCaEqNPzR3MQwH+IQZ escAnjgTd+Tw2bdJ0eWJ4f17IgfqY/zm =NV4H -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Library-1
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 03:48:04PM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: > Or to be more specific. I see the UI but none of the things that are in my > Journal, which is what I think I expect to see. could you post Library logs(with debug level enabled) > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > > > I have installed in to SoaS recent snapshot. Installs fine but I don't see > > anything when I open it. > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:39 AM, Aleksey Lim wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> This is in initial release of Library activity. I decided to release it > >> before implementing collab features to get some feedback about UI and > >> basic > >> ideas of activity. So, it can browse only local objects. > >> > >> == Bundle == > >> > >> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4089 > >> > >> == NEWS == > >> > >> * Add filter to ObjectChooser invoking > >> * Browse local objects > >> > >> == TODO fot v2 == > >> > >> * Run in 0.82 environment > >> * Implement collab features > >> > >> -- > >> Aleksey > >> ___ > >> Sugar-devel mailing list > >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Caroline Meeks > > Solution Grove > > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > > > 617-500-3488 - Office > > 505-213-3268 - Fax > > > > > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
