Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Flash at Sugar Labs
This might be of interest: Salasaga is a GTK/Gnome based IDE used to create eLearning for applications. With it, you take screenshots of your applications, add highlights, text and external images, then generate learning objects. Present output is in swf (flash) format. It would certainly be useful for making flash based learning objects for Moodle. The site for the soft is here: http://www.salasaga.org/ kind Regards, David Van Assche On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 05.01.2009, at 05:24, John Watlington wrote: On Jan 4, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: Currently Sugar is incapable of running software which is not specifically designed for it. Sugar runs simpler SWF applications just fine, through the Browser. They don't have to be designed for Sugar. I think this goes besides the original point of Bryan. He is well aware that software needs to be specifically designed for Sugar, and wether this is good or bad is not the current debate. The point is what tools one can use to implement a proper Sugar activity. Bryan says the tools many content developers are familiar with are HTML, Javascript, and Flash. I agree completely - I proposed a swf-activity launcher script as the solution, in my initial response to Bryan. I think it would be relatively easy to come up with an activity template that just has a subdirectory for SWF content. Creating an SWF activity then would involve copying the template, editing the meta data, putting the SWF content into the directory, zipping it up and voila, a nice XO bundle. That process could easily be done by a script, even on Windows. I think the template should be built into and supported by the Sugar dev team, rather than something that has to be copied around. That way it's able to be updated and improved over time, and as better Flash solutions become available we can incorporate them easily. I agree with the rest of Bert's plan. It should be a PyGTK activity with just an activity toolbar, which launches Gnash or Adobe Flash into its canvas. It should also find the Flash persistence database and copy it to/from the Journal. A nice additional feature would be to make use of Jordan's screen resolution dropper on the XO to allow Flash activities to run at 600x450, which would likely quadruple performance. -Wade ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Groupthink 0.1 pre-alpha
This sounds like a great foundation for a sugar framework... something that not only coders can get a feel for... kind Regards, David Van Assche On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 6:33 AM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi Ben, Groupthink: Collab should be easy. (from the patch): -self.totranslate = gtk.Entry(max=50) +self.cloud.totranslate = groupthink.gtk_tools.RecentEntry(max=50) .. wow, that *is* easy. And it's synchronous, so the text box is updated with each character press. You could also use this technique for Pippy's source code textbox, which would immediately turn it into a collaborative editor. (I don't care about collisions very much as long as everyone gets the same state; they can be resolved socially.) Now that we're excited, maybe you should let on what the blocker bugs are. :-) Could we sign you up for a quick XOCamp demo/talk? Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM
Can't we split it into 2 parts, the regular startup and desktop bits (as created in teh oses) and then the downloadable bit which hooks in and does the sugar stuff Then people could use their distro to create the usb pen drive, and download the (200mb or 300mb) bit for sugar and its activities... I'd also suggest putting wubi on it so it can be run on windows... (cringe) Anyweay, so this would become the sugar addon image/cd/drive David Van Assche On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:49, Marco Pesenti Gritti marc...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Latest image and improvements (git head with some fixes) are listed in this post http://erikos.sweettimez.de/?p=332 It is even a bit smaller :) Now, we really need to make this as small as possible. I wonder how we can best do this. I mean I can get a list of deps of Sugar and then add all the rest needed to start it - for example taking @gnome-desktop out of the kickstart did not boot anymore. Any pointers to infos on how to best trim down are welcome. Why do you think size is very important for Soas (real question)? If we want wide testing and people need to download 800MB each time, many people (me included) will have a hard time getting those bits. But setting up a rsync server may help with that. Regards, Tomeu Caroline requested to have GNOME on the images so that people can switch to it if they want. I think Sebastian is doing some work to reduce size for the XO. If size is not a blocker we could just leverage his work... Marco ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM
You can easily make gdm the session manager from which to choose sugar or gnome, and thereby give them access to gimp, inkscape and whatever other apps... On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Ok, did not think about yum update. Did not know GNOME was a requirement, wonder if this is a benefit to have though. I mean it is Sugar on a stick in the end. If it helps to make mac users get to know gnome or sugar i guess that is ok. Caroline wants to get Soas to high school students so that they can play with and help us out with testing etc. At the same time they would like to be able to run normal linux applications like the gimp. That was more or less the rationale, but I'm ccing Caroline which can explain better. (Another way to cover that use case could be to have them yum install GNOME or build customized images with it). Marco As I said - might be a good way to get them try out other apps besides Sugar - see that as a benefit. We could build customized images as well - that is true. Thanks, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM
Yeah we are doing the same with edubuntu... which should include sugar in Jaunty+1, when it is a little more mature (activity wise.) Kde-edu has made massive advances in their edu tools and the kde team seems very committed to getting the whole distro known as the 'edu' distro. Part of the reason for this is that the Brazillian government made a commitment to put 60 million users infront of kde 4... (not LTSP sadly) but thats a pretty big market... so now they've decided to really focus on edu... think of the possibilitiy of making learning objects that are plasmoids... the sky is the limit... Anyway, edubuntu is a mix of gnome and kde edu apps... and soon sugar edu stuff too kind Regards, David Van Assche On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Simon Schampijer schrieb: David Van Assche wrote: What's wrong with offering kde, sugar, or gnome from the login manager (whatever that might be... that could be made as simple or complicated as one wanted.) Kde has an amazingly powerful group of edu apps, as does gnome, as does Sugar... all for different age groups... so it might make sense to make something all encompassing that is useful for all educational groups... David If that is the desire from whoever is using those Sticks - off he goes. Caroline wants to offer GNOME as well - great. Those images are easily customizable - so as marco said there could be different versions. I just created a very first draft of a slimmed-down version including Gnome and Sugar on the same spin. Though, I didn't get to testing it yet. You can just have a look at the GIT repo here: [1] The soas-*.ks files are the ones which should also work on other hardware than the XO. --Sebastian [1] http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/fedora-xo;a=tree Subnote: There is a size limit as well to some sticks - for example 1 GB sticks are quite common - not sure if you can fit all the desktops on that and offer space for the user he can write to as well. Cheers, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Summary Minutes from olpc-friends' Tuesday Deployment Meeting
Enjoy: hpachas _sj_, los temas de implementación pasan por 3 temas importantes the implementation themes are split into 3 important ones: hpachas _sj_, logistico, técnico y pedagógico logistics, technical and pedagogical hpachas pienso que se deben agendar reuniones en base a los tres grandes temas _sj_ hpachas, los tres! I think we should aggregate the meetings according to the big 3 themes _sj_ oh, right, logistics _sj_ hpachas, absolutamente. logistics is its own Field _sj_ as anyone who has every sat with hernan or fiorella can tell you... hpachas _sj_, en la parte logistica, son muchos pasos que los demás paises deben entender como realizarlo yes in the logistics part there are many steps that the other countries could learn how to realize hpachas _sj_, ahora a eso tenemos que añadir: distribución, reparación, sustitución to that we now need to add distribution, repairs, and substitution _sj_ hpachas, que es sustitucion? _sj_ support? hpachas _sj_, sustitución = reemplazo de un equipo por otro _sj_ ah! interestante! substitution means replacing one machine for another hpachas _sj_, son muchas cosas por las cuales nosotros ya hemos pasado y estamos pasando these are many aspects which we have already experienced and are experiencing. hpachas _sj_, ahora en el tema técnico, es otro mundo paralelo in the technical theme, it is a parallel world hpachas _sj_, localización, activación, etc, etc localisation, activation, etc _sj_ hpachas, si, muchas muchas cosas importantes yes many important things hpachas _sj_, tenemos q recordar que la parte técnica va en los siguientes aspectos: XO, XS, AP, Swhti, Acceso a Internet we have to remember that the technical parts are split into the following items: XO, XS, AP, Swhti, Internet Access _sj_ hpachas, puedes ayudar con los agendas de estos reuniones? can u help with the agenda of these meetings _sj_ tienes el gran parte de experiencia con estos u have the most experience with these items _sj_ temas, problemas, soluciones themes, problems, solutions _sj_ y la compartmentacion entre temas diferentes y paraleles and the compartimentisation between different parallel themes hpachas _sj_, pienso que debemos hacer una evaluación de como se encuentran en estos mometnos todos los paises OLPC I think we should evaluate how the OLPC countries find themselves right now. _sj_ Swhti? hpachas _sj_, quizas tener un site que diga el grado de avance de cada pais, ayudaría maybe have a site that shows the percentage of advancement of each country would help _sj_ hpachas, estos discusiones son para los escuelas y paises pequenos these discussions are for schools and smaller countries only _sj_ solamente _sj_ pero hay paraleles but there are parallels _sj_ ah _sj_ el mapo con el grado de avance es muy viejo the map with the percentage advance is very old _sj_ mapa* _sj_ hmm hpachas ese mapa debe ser interactivo, editable a través de internte that map should be interactive and editable via the net. _sj_ hpachas, voy a ver. si... _sj_ no tenemos cada uno _sj_ pere sera valable hpachas _sj_, si colocamos el programa OLPC en linea de tiempo, diria q empieza por el tema logistico, técnico/pedagógico If we put the OLPC program in a linear timeline, we could say it starts with the logistics, and then tecnical and pedagogical. _sj_ si. wikitimeline es interesante para eso... wikitimeline could be used for that. _sj_ http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EasyTimeline On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: Folks, We had an awesome deployment meeting this Tuesday at 2000 UTC on #olpc-deployment on irc.freenode.net. Almost 30 people came, with knowledge of 10 different deployments! Summary and minutes are now available at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployment_meetings/20090127#Summary http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployment_meetings/20090127 Enjoy, and please join us next Tuesday at 2000 UTC or Wednesday at 0500 UTC. Also, please feel free to add items to the next meetings' agenda at the bottom of http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployment_meetings so that interested folks can prepare questions and remarks. Voluntarily yours, Michael P.S. - Would some kind English+Spanish-speaking soul be willing to provide a nice translation of Hernan's remarks: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployment_meetings/20090127#hpachas.27_Remarks for interested illiterates like me? ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org
[Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted upon (much more importantly) Im gonna try and make this easy: SoaS - the latest fedora core based I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed stick? ubuntu - no read no write no jiggzawpuzzle etoys scratch epathi measure anything tam tam based until very recently even browse pdf reader of any kind measure distance slider video chat abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies... what is the solution: we test the damn tings before release we do what greg dekoenigsberg quite elegantly suggested. a 3 tier solution: 1. make an educator mailinglist we get every educator we know on the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed... the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days: Examples: 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils... guys these are real world scenarios... not invented by devs.. asked for by teachers qnd not surprisingly thinking why it does not yet exist. 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers... 2. (gdk) guys this is what teachers want... I reallly hate to say this; but the stuff right now on sugar apart from speak, which when working every teacher loves, is an absolute waste of educators time... yes the activities can be properly used... but basics first! mailing list to get the, involved; we mention the activities that we (welll actually they) have come up with, we discuss very briefly; 3: (gdk)then make a moodle/wiki page where educators and devs get together to create the tools that we actually need (the ones that will really chqnge the world) I hope no one takes this is as a critcism of the effort put into creating activities till now; but people... lets frocus... lets sugar mean something for teachers David (nubae) Van Assche ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
u do realise that it was me that set up the moodle infrastructure right? except I a was alone... nubae On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: We are trying to gather activity status information at http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus - there is a 'soas' tag which indicates the activity works on SoaS, any errors should be reported in the Remarks column. But despite a few public requests we haven't managed to get any SoaS test results posted there. -Wade On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have a place for testers to record the what works with which release? If not perhaps someone could set it up on the moodle system schools.sugarlab.org using the moodle database module: http://docs.moodle.org/en/Database_module On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted upon (much more importantly) Im gonna try and make this easy: SoaS - the latest fedora core based I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed stick? ubuntu - no read no write no jiggzawpuzzle etoys scratch epathi measure anything tam tam based until very recently even browse pdf reader of any kind measure distance slider video chat abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies... what is the solution: we test the damn tings before release we do what greg dekoenigsberg quite elegantly suggested. a 3 tier solution: 1. make an educator mailinglist we get every educator we know on the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed... the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days: Examples: 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils... guys these are real world scenarios... not invented by devs.. asked for by teachers qnd not surprisingly thinking why it does not yet exist. 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers... 2. (gdk) guys this is what teachers want... I reallly hate to say this; but the stuff right now on sugar apart from speak, which when working every teacher loves, is an absolute waste of educators time... yes the activities can be properly used... but basics first! mailing list to get the, involved; we mention the activities that we (welll actually they) have come up with, we discuss very briefly; 3: (gdk)then make a moodle/wiki page where educators and devs get together to create the tools that we actually need (the ones that will really chqnge the world) I hope no one takes this is as a critcism of the effort put into creating activities till now; but people... lets frocus... lets sugar mean something for teachers David (nubae) Van Assche ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
God I a m happy u stated the needed. We hqd a presentation in Grqz, Austria, where basically we walked out like idiots. We got loqds of feedback, which is what my message as about... but fact remains SoaS, be if fedora (a slight bit better) or ubuntu.. we as educators, marketers can only shake our heads... On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:53 AM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: Caroline, I really don't think the problem is lack of testing in the case of Ubuntu. It is that so little works that activity testing is basically a smoke test (turn it on and see if it even comes up). And because the only status report is a bunch of individual bug reports, there is a high barrier to entry. My strategy has been to try every week or so to update the packages on my Ubuntu laptop and try launching everything. Most packaged activities don't launch. As for SOAS, my experience working in a classroom tells me there is no point in bothering with it until the boot time is substantially reduced, except for the special case of a computer lab. Since my particular school environments and Sugar/OLPC targets don't include that mode, I personally have not been trying it out. FWIW, my deployment timeline for SoaS at the Gardner School is informal usage this summer and classroom usage in the Fall. Anyone using it on a more aggressive timeline should be aware that they are ahead of me and breaking new ground and plan accordingly. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: hmm, ok I find that page pretty confusing and hard to use but then I'm not a wiki is all type person. If its working for you and your the activity team then we should try to use it. Maybe you could cross link from the SoaS page. http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick I think our underlying problem is that there is not very much testing being done. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: We are trying to gather activity status information at http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus - there is a 'soas' tag which indicates the activity works on SoaS, any errors should be reported in the Remarks column. But despite a few public requests we haven't managed to get any SoaS test results posted there. -Wade On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have a place for testers to record the what works with which release? If not perhaps someone could set it up on the moodle system schools.sugarlab.org using the moodle database module: http://docs.moodle.org/en/Database_module On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted upon (much more importantly) Im gonna try and make this easy: SoaS - the latest fedora core based I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed stick? ubuntu - no read no write no jiggzawpuzzle etoys scratch epathi measure anything tam tam based until very recently even browse pdf reader of any kind measure distance slider video chat abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies... what is the solution: we test the damn tings before release we do what greg dekoenigsberg quite elegantly suggested. a 3 tier solution: 1. make an educator mailinglist we get every educator we know on the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed... the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days: Examples: 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils... guys these are real world scenarios... not invented by devs.. asked for by teachers qnd not surprisingly thinking why it does not yet exist. 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers... 2. (gdk) guys this is what teachers want... I reallly hate to say this; but the stuff right now on sugar apart from speak, which when working every teacher loves, is an absolute waste of educators time... yes the activities can be properly used... but basics first! mailing list to get the, involved; we mention the activities that we (welll actually they) have come up with, we discuss very briefly; 3: (gdk)then make a moodle/wiki page where educators and devs get together to create the tools that we actually need (the ones that will really chqnge the world) I hope no one takes this is as a critcism of the effort put into creating activities till now; but people... lets frocus... lets sugar
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
hey there sean essentially there is no difference between SoaS and cd the problem comes from the distro specific intricacies, which can be many more than devs care to admit... I agree.. this is not a usable product unless it alll works... saying oh welll speak doesnt work because of x or y, is no excuse. bios has nothing to do with this, this is purely distro related... for example... on fedora we have 80% workage, on ubuntu 40 maybe 50% workage... but for those of us in the field selling this tech, this is not accpetable... I say it again I know its an open source project but it doesnt help funding if we cant even get the damn thing to run a cd, btw, is worse than a stick at this point. at least for ubuntu goood luck and lets work this shit out so we finally have a solution that works in schoosl On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: It is absolutely vital that SoaS boot/install work in a reliable way. Any nongeek user who can't use it will not bother reporting precise bug information, and moreover will lose motivation to try it again. In the case of branded USB sticks boot/install failures will make Sugar Labs appear as a cruddy product. Branded sticks will need to work every time. OK that said I ask you to bear with me since I don't know enough about the (surely formidable) technical hurdles in succeeding boot/install. Can anyone brief me on the importance/difficulty of the following factors? Perhaps there is a page which enumerates these factors? * User difficulty configuring BIOS boot from USB * Underlying distribution * Recognizing hardware * Dependencies * Network (LAN, Internet) connectivity: configuration, absence thereof * USB key locked in read-only mode * Missing or buggy activities Please forgive my ignorance but does SoaS generate a log at boot/install? Are there error codes specific to Sugar? I would imagine that's distribution-dependent... The user feedback rate could be improved if we communicate a super-simple procedure on boot/install failure, e.g. an e-mail address to send a boot/install log file to. As well (perhaps this happens already?), on successful boot/install and with Internet connnectivity, ideally the stick should phone home with the boot log which would indicate successful SoaS/hardware combinations and provide some statistics on how many sticks make it to screens. Of course, per privacy concerns there should be no user-identifiable information, or rather any such info should be immediately anonymized. Is there a way to trap errors in each activity, in case of error can the boot/install log be appended to, can a user feedback agent return the updated log to us if the Net is available? One more (maybe silly) question, is there a fundamental difference between Sugar on a CD and Sugar on a Stick? If this has been dealt with, any pointers to resources would be appreciated. thank you Sean On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:34 AM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: well this entire conversation was really brought about because I couldnt practice speech with my 2 nephews... Im sorry if I crossed the line a bit, but I think what I said needed to be said... SoaS is indeed the best plqtform right now and the kids not only loved it (one 9 the other 3) they needed no explanation for the interface... to them it was as natural as eating a piece of bread. On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Im gonna try and make this easy: SoaS - the latest fedora core based I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed stick? Aleksey Lim recently took over this orphaned package. Can you get in touch with him (alsroot on IRC) and help work it out? I have yet to even try SoaS but information on what activities do and don't work should be posted to http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus so we can triage them. We are watching that page. Thus far most of our work has been migrating activities over to SL.org but hopefully we can start actually getting them to work on SoaS soon. On a sidenote: some of the most exciting work for me last summer was Hemant's text-to-speech work, which would have real impact if its integration into Sugar were completed. How close is that to being possible? http://dev.laptop.org/~wadeb/TypingTurtle-9.xo is the latest release but I can't guarantee it works on anything but XO. [Getting pretty hot...] SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar
[Sugar-devel] logging irc setup
well, u can find it here: http://www.nubae.com/logs/sugar There are various curious commands the bot can help with based on google stuff the list is as follows: [control command is @ and not !] example: @google define:sugarlabs # !google [.google.country.code] [define:|spell:|movie:] # # search terms 1+1 1 cm in ft patent ### # weather city|zip ??? airport # # !images [.google.country.code] search terms # # !groups [.google.country.code] search terms # # !news [.google.country.code] search terms # # !local [.google.country.code] what near where # # !book [.google.country.code] search terms # # !video [.google.country.code] search terms# # !scholar [.google.country.code] search terms # # !fight word(s) one vs word(s) two # # !youtube [.google.country.code] search terms # # !trans reg...@region text # # !gamespot search terms# # !gamefaqs system in region # # !blog [.google.country.code] search terms # # !ebay [.ebay.country.code] search terms # # !ebayfight word(s) one vs word(s) two # # !wikipedia [.2-digit-country-code] search terms[#subtag] # # !wikimedia [.www.wikisite.org[/wiki]] search terms[#subtag] # !locate ip or hostmask# # !review gamename [@ system] # # !torrent search terms # # !top system # # !popular system # # !dailymotion search terms # # !ign search terms # # !myspace search terms # # !trends [.google.country.code] -MM-DD # ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] webified and google gears
I cant seem to find my spec file anymore, but I based it on this:
http://vpv.fedorapeople.org/packages/mozvoikko/mozvoikko.spec
To briefly explain, the .xpi is basically just a zip file, so it needs
to be placed in the /usr/lib/mozilla/extensions/{somepath}/{somepath}
and unpacked there.
Last time I built gears from source there were some hickups with wrong
libraries and flags, but It wasn't too difficult. If any more help is
needed, let me know.
David
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:24 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote:
ok, here's what I've found so far... I'll keep looking for the actual
spec file. I dont even know if this works, its been a while since I
looked into this...
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Lucian Branescu
lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't have experience with rpm, but since much of the work is
already done, I guess packaging it wouldn't be a problem. Especially
since it would only be necessary after the SSB actually works,
although earlier can't hurt.
2009/4/14 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 21:42, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com
wrote:
I can send over what I have... I had the rpm source file somewhere...
I can look for it if there is interest...
Yes please, the .spec file will be a good step forward.
Thanks,
Tomeu
David
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Lucian Branescu
lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/4/14 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 20:19, Lucian Branescu
lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote:
Gears is just a XUL extension, packaging shouldn't be a problem.
You mean you are volunteering to package it? ;)
David Van Assche already worked on it and got it pretty much working,
but it never was submitted to fedora. Would you like to finish this
work?
Packaging work might not seem too challenging, but consumes quite a
bit of time and is crucially important for projects like Sugar.
I'll have to look into that, then.
Also,
it does not require sync-ing state, web apps can store everything in
Gears and work in offline mode. Gears provides some integration with
the desktop (which can simply be ignored, it's mostly desktop
shortcuts and the like), an SQLite database accesible from JS and a
Worker (thread-like) object.
Sounds good.
Using existing web technologies and standards (de facto or not) is
very valuable, especially for my case. I don't want to invent any new
technologies or techniques, just to provide a simple Site Specific
Browser. If I were to do so, existing web apps would have to be
modified and new ones would be unusual from the POV of web developers.
Agreed.
For Journal integration, the entire Gears database could be store in
the DataStore.
That would work fine, only that for example a karmized web app that
processes images might make more sense to write a png file, so other
activities can open it. But I don't think it's a critical point.
The Desktop module in Gears can access local files, with permission
from the user. So a Gears web app that deals with files should be able
to do this.
Regards,
Tomeu
2009/4/14 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org:
Hi,
I like your proposal because focuses on a problem interesting to the
Sugar community and because proposes a solution that is reasonable
enough to be implemented in the GSoC timeframe.
But the mention of google gears concerns me a bit, since no
distribution that I know is packaging it and because AFAIK it would be
sync'ing state between local storage and a remote server when
activities are supposed to be storing it's whole state to the journal.
From my current POV, may be better to provide a (XPCOM?) component
accessible from JS that provides DataStore integration. I think it
could be fairly simple to do with hulahop.
On the other hand, we should really find a way to have Google Gears
installed alongside Sugar because many interesting sites require it,
but it may be out of scope form your proposal.
Regards,
Tomeu
___
Sugar-devel mailing list
Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
___
Sugar-devel mailing list
Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on LTSP
Due to the sad state of ubuntu sugar, I decided, along with cyberorg to package sugar and quite big set of honey sugar activities (about 50 of them) on openSUSE. The main goal here was to make it work nicely with LTSP. So far that is working quite well, and there is no reason ejabberd won't work with that. It worked just fine with ubuntu intrepid +ejabberd. There are still a couple of hurdles to overcome, such as some activities now working, but we should have a fully functional environment within the coming weeks. I'll keep the list informed. kind Regards, David On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 2:34 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Sugar is compatible with LTSP systems. The folks at Resera have done good work in this space. However, the Ubuntu packaging of Sugar 0.84 is a bit behind the great work being done by the Debian community. -walter On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: Hello, I had a conversation with our tech folks on campus yesterday, and Sugar via LTSP (http://www.ltsp.org/) came up. The original discussion was about LTSP and thin and fat clients, but this group is in the College of Education, so the conversation drifted towards Sugar. We've talked about this before, but I'll poke the embers again. Is Sugar usable via LTSP? Espcially the collaborative part via ejabberd? We plan on having a Jaunty-based showcase running in three weeks or so. If Sugar is usable in that environment, we'll definitely push for it in this lab. The lab is used by faculty and students from early childhood ed. and other departments inb CoE. They'd love to bring in teachers and children from local schools to showcase it. I'm cc'ing David Van Assche in case he's not on this list (highly doubtful, though). I am currently using his fatclient script (http://www.nubae.com/ltsp-linux-terminal-server-project-netbooted-fat-client-for-ubuntu-hardy-and-intrepid) on Intrepid+GNOME. cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] feedback from the Distro (autopackaging team) at Sugar Camp and recent meeting with key members taking on that task
We had an IRC meeting yesterday (1 day after sugar camp!) to decide how to move forward with the decisions taken at Sugar Camp in the area of making packaging easier, performance better, testing easier, and volunteer support and QA attraction a more realistic process and approach. You can see the wiki entry discussed (ie. what was said at Sugar Camp) here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Community/Distributions/OpenSUSE Though it mentions openSUSE it is really distro agnostic, its just that key members of the openSUSE team were at the IRC meeting to discuss the synching of jhconvert with oBS (openSUSE build service) so that we can totally automate the process from getting revisions of glucose, fructose, and some honey directly to all distros and platforms. That novelly (no pun intended) includes the ARM architecture for Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, and openSUSE. You can check the irc logs of what was discussed here if you have any interest: http://en.opensuse.org/Sugar/Meetings Other performance and testing automation includes better hardware for buildbot and the revival of the sugarbot project (an auto testing bot to some degree) though it was agreed at Sugar Camp that much more manual performance and security testing must be done, since its unrealistic to rely on automated tests only. Still, both Buildbot and Sugarbot are intesesting concepts and should help the process of the developers, triagers, and even QA people significantly. What we're doing goes a little bit against the policies of many distros, but remember we almost consider Sugar its own OS ;-) and distribution maintainers of Sugar are free to take the dsitributed source and build it all again if they really like. We are just making sure that Sugar IS available everywhere for everyone, and that it is not the distros deciding whether Sugar should be allowed in one version or another. We just want the best Sugar out there available to all. So distro maintainers of Sugar can either keep up with Sugar, or probably have their users ousing Sugar repos elsewhere I hope this doesn't start any rifts or flame wars, that was not my intention. As stated above, its just to get the best Sugar out there as quickly as possible to everyone in all formats kind Regards, David (Nubae) Van Assche ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
I think that there is a kind of formal technical/distribution position forming here. Ie... someone that would be responsible for supporting distribution methods of sugar (this should not be confused with QA, bugsquad or anything else) It just needs to be a person that can say all the available methods of distribution, and perhaps working on communication between distros and Sugar team... what do u guys think? Marten or I are both capable of doing this job just fine, but it kind of overlaps with the infrastructure team... we'd need to be sure like Marten says we have access to a server to set up rsync, torrent distribution and even our own build Service (openSUSE build service is totally gpl ;-) ) What should this position be called, I have no idea, I came up with lateral distro architect, but I have no idea if that is specific enough or even too generic. What do u think? perhaps forming a team that me and marten can be integrated with seams obvious for the time being. Both of us also want to work towards centralised distribution methods that are push and not just pull, whatever they might be. I'm forwarding this to sugar-devel as well as this has to do with them too, and an olpc rep so that we can make sure they know what we are doing with sugar distribution. kind Regards, David (Nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Thanks David, I will go for bandwith then asking for rsync as requirement. A torrend would optional. Some things I would like to assure mirrors have to: - have directory layout - same names Features I would also like to have - having a Last_version symlink to the last version. (keep links valid over time) - md5sums - list of mirrors on the website - or better mirror autoselection Besides from getting bandwidth is there a way I can help to achieve this? (I guess ssh access would be needed) Kind regards, Marten On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 12:10 +0200, David Van Assche wrote: One thing solution we use at openSUSE to get increcremental images, ie... you have an older version of SOAS or sugar or whatever image, but you want a newer one, well solution is to use rsync, but this would need to be enabled by the host (ie wherever all this is being hosted downloaded from [bernie, caroline?]): First check the latest image at: (This definetly works with openSUSE where sugar is completely integrated, even with an icon on the desktop that takes you straight into sugar from the desktop. The address for either SugarSuse or openSUSE-edu is here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/ ) The Soas images (snapshots, ie latests sugar) are here as far as I can tell: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/ Copy old image with exactly same name as new image available: cp oldimage.iso exact-name-new-image-is.iso Run rsync again to patch it: rsync -avP rsync://mirror.leaseweb.com/opensuse/repositories/Education/images/iso/exact-name-new-image-is.iso . Dot at the end with space before it is part of the command. This will download only the bytes that have changed, which in some cases is just few MBs, saving few GBs of download. Obviously p2p is another good solution to get initial images going if a couple of people choose to upload to linuxtracker.org or something... kind Regards, David (Nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Dear All, In the last 24 hours I talked to 12 persons about Sugar. - 6 persons have downloaded sugar and said to give feedback on Sugar - I have send a request for testing to i-netw...@dgroups.org. This is one the main mailinglistings in Africa. My findings so far: 1. Asking people to help works. I ask can you help me. Can you download an iso, burn it to cd, boot it, and give you opinion an email? This is very effective in shifting from talking about to doing. 2. The download seems to be slow. Possible sollution, shall I ask for bandwith to mirror the iso image? Can someone make familiar with an optimal solution (syncing/redirecting). kind regards, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sharing to Groups
Talking about moodle, we really should decide what to enable on the sugarlabs Moodle instance. Right now its everything, and like you stated, most people get scared away, so I can see our Moodle instance being used as a fancy forum, and not much more 8) I have admin access there so in your opinion, what should I leave enabled so we can cut the fat as it were... kind Regards, David Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 2:19 AM, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira rodrigopad...@projetofedora.org wrote: Martin Langhoff, are you around ? Sure. I recommend searching the list archive for de...@lists.laptop.org and server-de...@l.l.o for an excellent discussion on 'narratives' a while ago, and for 'group management moodle'. Try a few other related terms and I'm sure you'll find a ton of background. Generally a good idea to get familiar w moodle as I'm doing a lot of work to integrate the user experience between XO and Moodle. I just realised Moodle also has a 'webquest' module - it's in contrib (not part of the official version but easily installable). See http://moodle.org/mod/forum/view.php?id=765 (you can 'login as guest' to avoid registration). cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sharing to Groups
ah great, would be nice to be able to take care of everything, but think we have enough work on our hands, if we could get some other people on board that are experienced moodle admins, that would be great. thanks Martin... pasteing an invitation for help now to forum... kind regards, David (Nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:53 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Talking about moodle, we really should decide what to enable on the Not only stop scaring people, but provide content about Sugar + sample content for deployments, so there's a reason to use it. (How to complement the wiki and avoid overlaps is an area to think about.) My suggestion: post something in the comparisons advocacy forum, asking for help from experienced moodle hands ;-) If you post there, I'll show that post in my presentation next wednesday at the Amsterdam moot... cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
me too, shall we take a practical approach and suggest some locations? David (nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 16:46 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 05/19/09 13:51, Walter Bender wrote: Maybe we can find a time in the next few days to all meet on IRC to discuss this? CC'ng Bernie as he is most familiar with the SL infrastructure. Unfortunately, both the main download site and the mirror are located in Boston, so they're both going to be slow for people on the other side of the world. oke, I 'll am going to look European mirrors Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sharing to Groups
well the post has been made here: http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=123793 hopefully we can get some feedback and its some help to Martin when he's at the moots kind regards, David (nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:30 AM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: ah great, would be nice to be able to take care of everything, but think we have enough work on our hands, if we could get some other people on board that are experienced moodle admins, that would be great. thanks Martin... pasteing an invitation for help now to forum... kind regards, David (Nubae) Van Assche Putting up some starter courses on Moodle would be great. I was going to test out our XS installs with some of my own courses from SFSU (we use moodle, but my course have no material relevance to Sugar/OLPC) but I'd rather use something more relevant. If we can set up courses on a central site, that would be great. That way, I can backup on the site and restore on the XS and go from there. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:53 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Talking about moodle, we really should decide what to enable on the Not only stop scaring people, but provide content about Sugar + sample content for deployments, so there's a reason to use it. (How to complement the wiki and avoid overlaps is an area to think about.) My suggestion: post something in the comparisons advocacy forum, asking for help from experienced moodle hands ;-) If you post there, I'll show that post in my presentation next wednesday at the Amsterdam moot... cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild
I can only speak of opensuse and mandriva but we compile xulrunner ourselves on those 2 plaftorms... David (nubae) On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: As with any other sugar module, people want to run the latest code because it will contain bugfixes, etc. I see hulahop in the same way. As with any other module of anything, some people want to run Stable, some want Testing, some want Unstable, the very latest code. (I am using Debian terminology, but the concepts apply anywhere.) I am willing to use Testing, but not Unstable. I want an option to build something that is known to compile, with a mechanism in place to determine when we move forward to another level, and to enforce periodic bug-triage and bug-fixing when we need to make that move. We owe this to our development community. -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Help to Find the PO file of Some Activities to able me to Translate Them
Well the main thing here is about demoing... I've taken it upon myself to package about 50 activities... including fructose and glucose... now... we have things like flash which isnt an xo bundle, though many people believe it could/should be, and that would/should be considered a honey app, but it must be installed via rpm Really the only process required with the new jhconvert alexey has been working on is upload to git, then jhconvert creates the packages for the all the distros, including the .xo bundles... so really we want to make it as easy as authors not having to worry about packaging at all... just about uploading their latest source to git.sugarlabs.org, the only place the source really needs to be... we can automate the rest... but your process is currently the only sane thing I've seen written up and it'd be a shame to loose it in the anals of archived emails... so better wiki than nothing, no? kind Regards, David Van Assche On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 25 May 2009, at 12:33, David Van Assche wrote: Super... that methodology should be written up some place as its a great guide to follow... I'd much rather try and find some agreement to cut un-necessary steps, rather than to wikify/formalise it and push every unfortunate Activity author through the same sausage factory! :-) /me puts on tinfoil hat and asbestos socks I've still not heard a good argument for why Activity authors currently need to create two bundles with identical source content (one .xo zip and one .bz2), upload them to two different locations, and document them in several different places. It's really easy to get out of sync. I'm also still not convinced about the sanity of distros needing to package up each individual Activity (other than perhaps sucrose as one collection). If, for a moment, you think of Sugar as a Firefox, and Activities as Addons, does each distro really consider packaging up every Addon kicking about for Firefox? Once a Sugar release and its platform dependancies are yum, aptitude, or whatever installed; the Sugar UI should then be the one to add/update additional Activities (via Browse as currently, or via a future update control panel checking with activity.sugarlabs.org). Regards, --Gary David On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi David, On 24 May 2009, at 11:47, David Van Assche wrote: Overall it would be nice if we had an activitiy matrix that showed the stages of projects. The Activity Team have been making contact with past authors, slowly, slowly we're moving along even if it means adopting extra activities ourselves: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/Activity_Status The best thing folks can do If they have a favourite activity that is not yet migrated to Sugar Labs infrastructure is make some noise about it. Email the IAEP and/or sugar-devel and advocate or ask about it, email the author/s, see if they are still working on it or have future plans. Many activity developers seem to think no one is interested/using their work and often seem pleasantly surprised when they get an email about their past efforts. This would be helpful to show what people could work on to. Something like, name of activity on one side, and on the other stage (planning, pre-source, alpha, beta, rc, release, packaged, xo bundled, translated) Something along those lines, but I'm sure someone can come up with a better matrix. If this was up at some place, we could know pretty quickly what people could be working on. It could even be split by distro too... The idea came to me because there are a ton of git projects with no code in them. If there are git projects with no code in them, what makes you think the developer will edit another page somewhere else with project status information! ;-b With my activity developer hat on, I do find it a pain how many seemingly random places there are to work on when releasing a new version, even more for a new project, or migrated one. My check-list/todo-list is something like: If it's a new project: - Create a Gitorious project repository for it http://git.sugarlabs.org/ and start hacking on your code - Request a trac component for you activity at http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ - Open a trac ticket to request addition to Pootle (if your strings/release is reasonably mature/ready) - Create a page at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/actvity-name If it's a new release: - Update your activities wiki page at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/actvity-name - Upload the .xo bundle, screenshots, notes to http://activities.sugarlabs.org/ - Upload .bz2 source to shell.sugarlabs.org /upload/sugar/sources/honey - Edit wiki table http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Source_Code and make sure it's pointing to your latest .bz2 - Edit wiki table http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go
Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage scenarios for Sugar?
Where is the source? I dont see anything since march in git.sugarlabs.org David (nubae) On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:32 PM, James Simmons jim.simm...@walgreens.comwrote: Sean, I'm blowing my own horn here, but I just finished a new version of Read Etexts that might be worth a look. The new version has a Books tab that lets you search the Project Gutenberg offline catalog and download titles to the Journal. Gutenberg has lots of Juvenile books as well as well known books by European authors in their original languages. I posted it on ASLO yesterday, with new screenshots. In addition to the catalog search, if you run it on SoaS you can use the Speech tab to read the book aloud with word highlighting. Many different voices are available, so for instance you could use a French voice for the works of Dumas and Verne. The books are plain text, no pictures, but if I say so myself Read Etexts has become impressive in a way it never has been before. For books with pictures you could suggest a visit to the Internet Archive website to get books in PDF format that Read could use. There are some remarkable PDFs of scanned in book pages there. James Simmons Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 20:03:40 +0200 From: Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com Subject: [Sugar-devel] Usage scenarios for Sugar? To: Sugar Labs Marketing market...@lists.sugarlabs.org, iaep i...@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sugar Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 378b2b050905221103p1f5dbb29s935bc0b0c8543...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi everyone, we have been contacted by a monthly tech publication in Europe willing to devote several pages to Sugar in their summer issue! More specifically, advising parents how to download run SoaS and do educational stuff with their kids during the summer holidays. Off the top of my head I suggested a scenario where Memorize is customized with family photos, a Turtle Art lesson, ... Suggestions please! thanks Sean ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] classroom presenter, iTalc for sugar (possible ports for LinuxTag Berlin showoff)
Hi, At LinuxTag Berlin, there are 3 areas that are of particular interest to me, and might be considered novelties in the way sugar can/will be presented there. From one side, I will be representing sugar packaging on the openSUSE platform, and being part of the opensuse-edu team, we will show off not only the live suse sugar cd/usb stick, but also the tight integration (including desktop launch icon) of sugar within the openSUSE 11.1 educational spin. Since kiwi-ltsp (A mature variant of LTSP 5) is quite integrated in the educational desktop, as is ejabberd, we will show off LTSP sugarised, with the approximately 50 sugar activities that have been packaged for openSUSE. Within the LTSP framework, we often use an application called iTalc, which allows for the remote administration (vnc on steroids) of desktop sessions, locking of sessions, passing around of sessions (for the classroom environment) as well as, intra station messaging (in case a particular station needs administrative help/training/support.) Right now, it runs great on the administrator machine, which doesn't need to and won't run Sugar. Basically from this view one can see screenshots of each desktop and by clicking on the desktop in question, one takes over or shares that session with that particular sugar user. There is more explanation and screenshots here: http://italc.sourceforge.net/ On the client side, it would be nice for someone to study how hard it would be to port to sugar. Its not massively important since it runs from gnome, but for scenarios where sugar is the only Desktop Environment, it would be nice to have this kind of controlling mechanism for the teacher/admin. For example, the teacher could collaboratively work on one session connected to a projector, and pass that session on friom student to student, with each of them carrying out some task. I have seen it used this way under Gnome with great success, and as Sugar is collaborative by nature, it seems like a perfect fit. So any sugar porting takers? On another note, I have successfully tested the home made whiteboard option using a wiimote and infra red pens. This approach allows for the building of an interactive whiteboard for under 50 euros. Unfortunately, the best software to use for something like this is classroom presenter, originally windows software allowing one to open a powerpoint/impress presenation and then draw upon that using the infra red pen. Classroom presenter was ported to sugar at one point. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Classroom_Presenter , but I'm not sure about its current status, only that it doesn't currently work. Again, it would be nice to fix this activity so we can show it off at LinuxTag and show people how to create a cheap sugarised interactive whiteboard for under 50 euros. If someone is interested in getting this activity working again for Sugar, that would be great. kind Regards, David (nubae) Van Assche www.nubae.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] classroom presenter, iTalc for sugar (possible ports for LinuxTag Berlin showoff)
Hi, Caroline, that is exactly how iTalc works. The teacher can pass on the session to one or groups of students, so it becomes a great way for everyone to join in. If you are going to be at LinuxTag, I can do a quick demo so u can see how this would work in a real teaching environment. I have also been testing the wiimote whiteboard solution, which is truly outstanding. The solution works better than I had projected (no pun intended) and though I have not been able to run it inside Sugar yet, Classroom Presenter is a great tool for this. Basically its like having a really big touchpad on the projection screen, and up to 4 people can use the infra red pens at once. Again, this allows for some pretty neat collaborative abilities. Tony Anderson is working on the next version of Classroom presenter which should also be able to read out slides. He will be at LinuxTag, and hopefully we can put together some kind of demonstration of how the wiimote works with it. Same goes for iTalc and LTSP. So its all looking good... The wiimote whiteboard software runs on Linux, Windows and Mac (more info here: http://www.uweschmidt.org/wiimote-whiteboard) with up to 2 concurrent pens, smoothing callibration (how straight a line u can draw) and basically turns an infra red pen into a mouse pointer. By using single click and double click u can pretty much control the computer from the projector screen, including doing really neat stuff in gimp, sugar-paint, inkscape, and classroom presenter. Even things like google earth being controlled this way is very very cool. The cost of all the necessary items is under 50 euros, so this is truly an amazing solution that can be adopted in 3rd world countries too. For the same functionality, you'd normally be paying thousands of euros, and the stuff would still require extra licenses, etc. All the software to run this is free, and I hope we can get some more testing done in this area at LinuxTag, including a moodle tutorial, and how/where to get the software. On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.comwrote: +1 on the importance of iTalc like functionality. If that is something Windows/Apple can do and Sugar can't its going to hurt adoption. It would be cool if students could also become the presenters so the teacher could ask a student in the room to explain how a problem was done and pass control over to that student for a while. On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 2:17 AM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, At LinuxTag Berlin, there are 3 areas that are of particular interest to me, and might be considered novelties in the way sugar can/will be presented there. From one side, I will be representing sugar packaging on the openSUSE platform, and being part of the opensuse-edu team, we will show off not only the live suse sugar cd/usb stick, but also the tight integration (including desktop launch icon) of sugar within the openSUSE 11.1 educational spin. Since kiwi-ltsp (A mature variant of LTSP 5) is quite integrated in the educational desktop, as is ejabberd, we will show off LTSP sugarised, with the approximately 50 sugar activities that have been packaged for openSUSE. Within the LTSP framework, we often use an application called iTalc, which allows for the remote administration (vnc on steroids) of desktop sessions, locking of sessions, passing around of sessions (for the classroom environment) as well as, intra station messaging (in case a particular station needs administrative help/training/support.) Right now, it runs great on the administrator machine, which doesn't need to and won't run Sugar. Basically from this view one can see screenshots of each desktop and by clicking on the desktop in question, one takes over or shares that session with that particular sugar user. There is more explanation and screenshots here: http://italc.sourceforge.net/ On the client side, it would be nice for someone to study how hard it would be to port to sugar. Its not massively important since it runs from gnome, but for scenarios where sugar is the only Desktop Environment, it would be nice to have this kind of controlling mechanism for the teacher/admin. For example, the teacher could collaboratively work on one session connected to a projector, and pass that session on friom student to student, with each of them carrying out some task. I have seen it used this way under Gnome with great success, and as Sugar is collaborative by nature, it seems like a perfect fit. So any sugar porting takers? On another note, I have successfully tested the home made whiteboard option using a wiimote and infra red pens. This approach allows for the building of an interactive whiteboard for under 50 euros. Unfortunately, the best software to use for something like this is classroom presenter, originally windows software allowing one to open a powerpoint/impress presenation and then draw upon that using the infra red pen. Classroom
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Yeah, this is also something that is relevant and usable across distros, so lets try and make it distro agnostic David On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I'd like to do a mockup of my idea (tonight), post it to the wiki under Gary's, and have feedback from the Design Team about both The splash/progress page is a key moment of a Learner's interaction with Sugar, let's explore its possibilities before finalizing it thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Hi all, this is just great - thanks a lot for working on it so quickly! :) It looks really promising! Let me know if you want me to grab the .png files from somewhere to build a test package... --Sebastian Sean DALY wrote: wow Gary you were up all night on that Yes by all means back on list I really like the logo cycling through our colors, it's a golden rule of marketing to not change logo colors and we break it with panache (each press release PDF has a different color theme too) i want to mock up with kid avatars around Activity icons I build animated GIFs the old-fashioned imagemagick way: $ convert -delay 20 progress-*.png animation.gif I'll upload something today thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Folks, Just to get a basic, safe, default starting point in there, I've uploaded one simple treatment to: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations Will try to upload a couple more tomorrow. Night, --Gary P.S. Should pull this back on list, your call Sean, but probably worth getting a couple more ideas up so that folks can input to some alternative treatments. On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: Christian, Eben I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, celebrating Sugar interface.iconography and greeting children. I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that consecutively named files will do the trick I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do you guys have any interface assets i could grab? Input greatly appreciated thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we could work on it together? here's my idea like my booth rollup banner mockup which Christian 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the Sugar HIG and iconography. boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous SoaS ... (not sure yet if should be with or without labs) The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but instead of dots, I want XO avatars - kids! In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity icon... matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So kids understand that Activities are for them. And ending with... kids around the Journal! Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring What do you think? thanks Sean P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence for a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements, backing down to the first image I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could inject arbitrary text into a ppm file On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Sean, FYI, this came in off list. Regards, --G Begin forwarded message: From: James Zakijames.z...@gmail.com Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST To: Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or two. I could get them to whip up some concept designs for inspiration? James 2009/5/29 Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote: Sebastian, Gary I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea brewing for awhile Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review. --G What's the deadline please? thanks Sean On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi folks, sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. I've been spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in our SoaS Yum repo to reflect the changes for Fedora 11. As it turned out, the plymouth package has been partly rewritten, and I was wondering (also with regard to #709), how we wanted to deal with a new boot screen. For now, I've just implemented the old Sugar logo again, but
[Sugar-devel] Sugar on suse and virtualised appliances to cheat network connectivity
So, this Sunday marks a special day for us openSUSE folks, as we've now managed to get pretty much every activity behaving, including the underlying journaling and collaboration. We've got more than 50 activities packaged and included in the live cd/usb/dvd/virtual appliance. By using the incredible flexibility and power that oBS gives us, with just 2 people working on this project, we've managed move forwards fast and efficiently. So we are proud to announce that you can download the latest releases here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/ As you can see, the main directory contains .vmdk virtual appliances which have been tested to run on both Vitualbox (Sun's free virtual container system) as well as vmware and its host of virtualisation software. Advantages to running an appliance include bypassing wireless/wired network card drivers as the host can really be running pretty much anything from OSX to Windows. This will also be a way to get Sugar running on any Mac regardless, and pretty much and hardware. Its also a good way to run sugar on ed/ubuntu and debian based systems. Though a tad slower than on a native system (running without virtualisation), the advantages clearly outweigh the disadvantages. In the iso subdirectory you can find pure sugar or the full openSUSE-edu suite, containing a good 2.4 gigs of educational material including an icon to launch sugar directly from the desktop, a live LTSP system, iTalc, and a host of other interesting software. For more information on virtualisation, vmware, virtualbox and how to get sugar working within these environments have a look here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/VMware Currently the only application not running is Read, which requires some updated GDK stuff from gnome 2.26, which is currently not entirely working with Sugar on openSUSE, but within the next weeks we should be able to resolve this. We are searching for more activities to include, as well as, seeing what we can do artistically at the different stages such as booting up, session manager, etc. Currently we automatically get the system to join the sugarlabs ejabberd server for collaboration, and after testing quite a few applications we can confidently say this works quite well. So its nice to see openSUSE being one of the more advanced Sugar environments now... seeing as a couple of weeks ago we had a very broken environment kind Regards, David Van Assche www.nubae.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] collaboration testing session
Hi folks, We are having a collaborative sugar testing session next week Wednesday 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) So far we have 5 people signed up, but more are welcome as we really want to see how collaboration works on many activities where it isn't quite obvious. We will be taking notes and storing log files of the sessions, and will suggest ways in which the activity in question might be more collaborative, or may need less of it (who knows :-) We will be testing the activities that come preinstalled on the openSUSE sugar images, but we'd like to test various distribution methods (virtual appliance, cd, usb, hd) and various distros (at least Fedora SoaS, openSUSE sugar, Mandriva or Caixa Magica) I dont believe 0.82 images are compatible with 0.84 for collaboration, so am afraid this is for 0.84 only... Please post your willingness to participate so we have an idea on who/how many will be collaborating. We also need a volunteer to take notes, and a volunteer to store logs files. There will of course be a transcript of the irc session too (we will meet at #sugar-collaboration) We forsee this taking between 1 and 2 hours... Here is the list of activities we will be testing, so make sure you have them installed if you plan to take part (not all have collaborative abilities, and for those that don't it can be a brainstorming session on whether/how we can make them collaborative: sugar-finance sugar-flipsticks-activity sugar-freecell sugar-imageviewer sugar-implode sugar-infoslicer sugar-jigsaw-puzzle-activity sugar-joke-machine-activity sugar-jukebox sugar-labyrinth sugar-maze sugar-memorize sugar-moon sugar-paint-activity sugar-pippy sugar-playgo sugar-read sugar-readetexts-activity sugar-record sugar-slider-puzzle-activity sugar-speak sugar-storybuilder sugar-tamtam-common sugar-tamtam-edit sugar-tamtam-jam sugar-tamtam-mini sugar-tamtam-synthlab sugar-analyze sugar-turtleart sugar-typing-turtle sugar-viewslides sugar-write sugar-browse sugar-irc sugar-calculate sugar-xomail (sugar-sweetmail) sugar-cartoonbuilder sugar-clock sugar-colors sugar-connect sugar-drgeo-activity xoEditor sugar-evince sugar-fiftytwo sugar-chat sugar-terminal sugar-journal sugar-physics sugar-library sugar-poll sugar-tuxpaint kind Regards, David (nubae) Van Assche www.nubae.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
Well as we just discussed in irc, some activities will actually share and allow for collaboration, but the vast majority do not and/or dont work between different distribution methods. In any case we can certainly try some out and send you the log files to dissect, in case u cannot make it. kind regards, David (nubae) On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 06:09, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, We are having a collaborative sugar testing session next week Wednesday 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) So far we have 5 people signed up, but more are welcome as we really want to see how collaboration works on many activities where it isn't quite obvious. We will be taking notes and storing log files of the sessions, and will suggest ways in which the activity in question might be more collaborative, or may need less of it (who knows :-) We will be testing the activities that come preinstalled on the openSUSE sugar images, but we'd like to test various distribution methods (virtual appliance, cd, usb, hd) and various distros (at least Fedora SoaS, openSUSE sugar, Mandriva or Caixa Magica) I dont believe 0.82 images are compatible with 0.84 for collaboration, so am afraid this is for 0.84 only... What do you mean by compatible for collaboration and why do you think it won't work between 0.82 and 0.84? Regards, Tomeu Please post your willingness to participate so we have an idea on who/how many will be collaborating. We also need a volunteer to take notes, and a volunteer to store logs files. There will of course be a transcript of the irc session too (we will meet at #sugar-collaboration) We forsee this taking between 1 and 2 hours... Here is the list of activities we will be testing, so make sure you have them installed if you plan to take part (not all have collaborative abilities, and for those that don't it can be a brainstorming session on whether/how we can make them collaborative: sugar-finance sugar-flipsticks-activity sugar-freecell sugar-imageviewer sugar-implode sugar-infoslicer sugar-jigsaw-puzzle-activity sugar-joke-machine-activity sugar-jukebox sugar-labyrinth sugar-maze sugar-memorize sugar-moon sugar-paint-activity sugar-pippy sugar-playgo sugar-read sugar-readetexts-activity sugar-record sugar-slider-puzzle-activity sugar-speak sugar-storybuilder sugar-tamtam-common sugar-tamtam-edit sugar-tamtam-jam sugar-tamtam-mini sugar-tamtam-synthlab sugar-analyze sugar-turtleart sugar-typing-turtle sugar-viewslides sugar-write sugar-browse sugar-irc sugar-calculate sugar-xomail (sugar-sweetmail) sugar-cartoonbuilder sugar-clock sugar-colors sugar-connect sugar-drgeo-activity xoEditor sugar-evince sugar-fiftytwo sugar-chat sugar-terminal sugar-journal sugar-physics sugar-library sugar-poll sugar-tuxpaint kind Regards, David (nubae) Van Assche www.nubae.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] collaboration testing session
Ok, etoys included too.. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.dewrote: On 05.06.2009, at 06:09, David Van Assche wrote: Hi folks, We are having a collaborative sugar testing session next week Wednesday 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) So far we have 5 people signed up, but more are welcome as we really want to see how collaboration works on many activities where it isn't quite obvious. We will be taking notes and storing log files of the sessions, and will suggest ways in which the activity in question might be more collaborative, or may need less of it (who knows :-) We will be testing the activities that come preinstalled on the openSUSE sugar images, but we'd like to test various distribution methods (virtual appliance, cd, usb, hd) and various distros (at least Fedora SoaS, openSUSE sugar, Mandriva or Caixa Magica) I dont believe 0.82 images are compatible with 0.84 for collaboration, so am afraid this is for 0.84 only... Please post your willingness to participate so we have an idea on who/how many will be collaborating. We also need a volunteer to take notes, and a volunteer to store logs files. There will of course be a transcript of the irc session too (we will meet at #sugar-collaboration) We forsee this taking between 1 and 2 hours... Here is the list of activities we will be testing, so make sure you have them installed if you plan to take part (not all have collaborative abilities, and for those that don't it can be a brainstorming session on whether/how we can make them collaborative: What's the reason you exclude Etoys, which does support collaboration? - Bert - ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
Yeah as stated, we will use the default jabber server which is the solutions grove one I guess... or are u talking about another one? David On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:38 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: David, Can you try to use the Solutions Groovy jabber server? Caroline and Dave are putting some very helpful resources behind cleaning up the server. david(The other one) On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Caroline Meekssolutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David, Will you be using the server hosted by Solution Grove/Zill? We would be very happy if you did. We have seen mysterious spikes in resource usage that is not correlated to the number of users connected. I am suspicious that some of the activities use too many resources when they are shared. I'd like to set it up so that someone on your team has access to what is going on on the server so you can try to correlate any spikes to specific activities. Thanks, Caroline On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:09 AM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, We are having a collaborative sugar testing session next week Wednesday 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) So far we have 5 people signed up, but more are welcome as we really want to see how collaboration works on many activities where it isn't quite obvious. We will be taking notes and storing log files of the sessions, and will suggest ways in which the activity in question might be more collaborative, or may need less of it (who knows :-) We will be testing the activities that come preinstalled on the openSUSE sugar images, but we'd like to test various distribution methods (virtual appliance, cd, usb, hd) and various distros (at least Fedora SoaS, openSUSE sugar, Mandriva or Caixa Magica) I dont believe 0.82 images are compatible with 0.84 for collaboration, so am afraid this is for 0.84 only... Please post your willingness to participate so we have an idea on who/how many will be collaborating. We also need a volunteer to take notes, and a volunteer to store logs files. There will of course be a transcript of the irc session too (we will meet at #sugar-collaboration) We forsee this taking between 1 and 2 hours... Here is the list of activities we will be testing, so make sure you have them installed if you plan to take part (not all have collaborative abilities, and for those that don't it can be a brainstorming session on whether/how we can make them collaborative: sugar-finance sugar-flipsticks-activity sugar-freecell sugar-imageviewer sugar-implode sugar-infoslicer sugar-jigsaw-puzzle-activity sugar-joke-machine-activity sugar-jukebox sugar-labyrinth sugar-maze sugar-memorize sugar-moon sugar-paint-activity sugar-pippy sugar-playgo sugar-read sugar-readetexts-activity sugar-record sugar-slider-puzzle-activity sugar-speak sugar-storybuilder sugar-tamtam-common sugar-tamtam-edit sugar-tamtam-jam sugar-tamtam-mini sugar-tamtam-synthlab sugar-analyze sugar-turtleart sugar-typing-turtle sugar-viewslides sugar-write sugar-browse sugar-irc sugar-calculate sugar-xomail (sugar-sweetmail) sugar-cartoonbuilder sugar-clock sugar-colors sugar-connect sugar-drgeo-activity xoEditor sugar-evince sugar-fiftytwo sugar-chat sugar-terminal sugar-journal sugar-physics sugar-library sugar-poll sugar-tuxpaint kind Regards, David (nubae) Van Assche www.nubae.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal activity release 101 not tagged in Git
And though packaging debian is quite different from doing rpms, I just finished getting all activities working for openSUSE. There were lots of little glitches that prevented activities from working,so if u run into any issues with particular activities, ping me and I might be able to tell u how to get stuff working. Activities like infoslicer, colors, browse, record, and Maze come to mind... Generally I've been working directly off the latest source in gitorious unless there was a required downgrade to another source (storybuilder)... kind Regards, David (nubae) On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 10:16:29AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 00:19, Jonas Smedegaardd...@jones.dk wrote: On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 04:37:32PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: You are already on it by virtue of your work and contributions. Please edit http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Packaging_Team and its pending links/subpages as appropriate. Ok. I'll look into that. Later - I am on my way to bed now (spent all of last night finalizing a major ghostscript packaging update). Thank you for contributing so much already! --Fred Ah, well - my work is just silently absorbed by Ubuntu, and the core 0.84 packages that I finally got packaged last week does not work at all. Segmentation fault somewhere initially if using Xephyr, and if cheating and first running sugar non-emulated (just to create the initial account), activities won't start - no debug log messages, no nothing. I'm going to be offline the weekend, but we can look at these issues together next week. That'd be awesome. Ping me when you are ready. - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoqK2sACgkQn7DbMsAkQLgXHwCbB3HYWoh8f0Z/fMITxEkHkwCk g7kAn10W91Ha+sNZB1Cqd+KCGkGFS/Ew =n2Qj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal activity release 101 not tagged in Git
Maybe if you list some of the problems you are running into, we can help, as we must have gone through the same issues in order to get it working under openSUSE, Mandriva, et al. kind regards, David (nubae) On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 04:52:08PM +0200, David Van Assche wrote: And though packaging debian is quite different from doing rpms, I just finished getting all activities working for openSUSE. There were lots of little glitches that prevented activities from working,so if u run into any issues with particular activities, ping me and I might be able to tell u how to get stuff working. Activities like infoslicer, colors, browse, record, and Maze come to mind... Generally I've been working directly off the latest source in gitorious unless there was a required downgrade to another source (storybuilder)... Thanks. Not sure if you know, but I have been packaging for some time (since Sugar 0.81) and Sugar 0.82 worked correctly. Also, the current trouble is with core Sugar environment, not activities. That said, I certainly appreciate the offer, and generally I like the growth in teams attacking the Sugar code from different angles. That really helps improve code quality for all of us. :-D - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoqjf4ACgkQn7DbMsAkQLg41ACeLapB6MhAX4GK2TuJpS7rz5Sb NkAAn2PmymU7T3ZiOe8IV9TmEjTm1fAy =OSXG -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [math4] Activity Awards, Activity Alerts, Frame Alerts
Yeah, due to the lack of resources and time, we didn't get to finalise the end vision for such an award based system, but the idea came to me due how successful the collection of these is in computer games. As Gary pointed out to me, there are even games where the sole purpose is to unlock awards (which could be as silly as, dying by drowning 42 times.) The concept in gaming, as adopted by nintendo, sony, and Microsoft, has been a real success and a means by which to get users 'hooked' to achieving them. If the same thing can be translated to Sugar, we can have a system which by its nature pushes users to delve deep into the guts of activities to 'discover' them, if you will, all the while getting recognition for that discovery. The coupling of this with collaboration brings together a whole world of possibilities, many of which have caused measurable excitement within myself and Gary, as well as others listening/discussing the ideas. The inital activity we wanted to do this with was a quiz based activity, where the teacher puts labels on the different parts of a picture s/he has uploaded and lets the user then fill in the labels. We can measure a whole host of things, such as, were the labels filled in while connected to the internet (they could have used wikipedia to gather the information), and should the user be encouraged to do that or not... What I guess I'm pointing out is, we need to delve deep into how this should all work, but the initial concept rocks, and we should try and either adapt an existing activity (Gary suggested using his moon activity to name the various parts of it) or make an easy framwork that would allow a teacher to upload a picture and then tag the various points in the picture together with the possible answers. Either is fine, though the later is more desirable as it would allow us to explore the possibilities a little more deeply, and would allow for the immediate creation of content there for, which could be easily stored in moodle or an activity meta bundle, or whatever... So lets decide how we move forwards on this and get to it then... kind regards, David Van Assche On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Frederick, On 6 Jun 2009, at 00:30, Frederick Grose wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: ... FWIW, David Van Assche raised some interesting Activity ideas at SugarCamp Paris and I'm interested/active in getting us to at lease 'demo' state in the Sugar 0.86 release timeframe. The idea is to focus on an 'awards' mechanism/style to encourage exploration and provide (sometimes) unexpected rewards. Idea is that Activity authors can define a range of badges/medals/icons for certain behaviours/ accomplishment in an attempt to get students to dig deeper (mix of 'easter eggs' and specific goals). It's mainly Activity side work (a demo activity to start with) but perhaps could find a home in the Journal (through an ability of Activity to set some private entry tag and for Journal to display that in a user appealing graphical form). Even for something as hard to measure as the Write Activity, there could be 'awards' (hidden or hinted at) for things like found 10 or more collaborators for one document, gained at least 100 words each from 5 or more collaborators, wrote more than 1,000 words, you used the word entomology!. The idea is many would be hidden (surprise, you did something cool!) and that some initial more obvious and visible 'awards' would hint that others were there for discovery. Regards, --Gary P.S. Mechanisms for 'awards' could hook into services like Moodle, the Journal, or via collaboration (so perhaps a shared Write session would show awards gained by the collaborators). Having a view to show all Activity Awards would also be a good driver (could be an activity, or ideally at some point part of Journal). The general idea for awards drifts in from the gaming environment, where awards are used to increase re-playability and tempt folks to try some other possible path. ... Nice concept. Some design and code integration with Activity Alerts, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac/sugar.graphics.alert , and Frame alerts, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Designs/Frame#12 , http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Designs/Frame#13, etc. may be appropriate. Yep, I imagine it's being up to the activity how it reveals a new 'award' being reached, but it could be as simple as showing an activity alert message (perhaps as a default design guideline for awards, if it is accepted), or some fancy splash/animation if the activity deems it appropriate. http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/722 has some discussion. I would like to see more noticeable messages for chat invitation alerts, for example. I think this is intended more for Activities (or Sugar shell
Re: [Sugar-devel] [math4] Activity Awards, Activity Alerts, Frame Alerts
of a picture s/he has uploaded and lets the user then fill in the labels. We can measure a whole host of things, such as, were the labels filled in while connected to the internet (they could have used wikipedia to gather the information), and should the user be encouraged to do that or not... What I guess I'm pointing out is, we need to delve deep into how this should all work, but the initial concept rocks, and we should try and either adapt an existing activity (Gary suggested using his moon activity to name the various parts of it) or make an easy framwork that would allow a teacher to upload a picture and then tag the various points in the picture together with the possible answers. Either is fine, though the later is more desirable as it would allow us to explore the possibilities a little more deeply, and would allow for the immediate creation of content there for, which could be easily stored in moodle or an activity meta bundle, or whatever... So lets decide how we move forwards on this and get to it then... kind regards, David Van Assche On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Frederick, On 6 Jun 2009, at 00:30, Frederick Grose wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: ... FWIW, David Van Assche raised some interesting Activity ideas at SugarCamp Paris and I'm interested/active in getting us to at lease 'demo' state in the Sugar 0.86 release timeframe. The idea is to focus on an 'awards' mechanism/style to encourage exploration and provide (sometimes) unexpected rewards. Idea is that Activity authors can define a range of badges/medals/icons for certain behaviours/ accomplishment in an attempt to get students to dig deeper (mix of 'easter eggs' and specific goals). It's mainly Activity side work (a demo activity to start with) but perhaps could find a home in the Journal (through an ability of Activity to set some private entry tag and for Journal to display that in a user appealing graphical form). Even for something as hard to measure as the Write Activity, there could be 'awards' (hidden or hinted at) for things like found 10 or more collaborators for one document, gained at least 100 words each from 5 or more collaborators, wrote more than 1,000 words, you used the word entomology!. The idea is many would be hidden (surprise, you did something cool!) and that some initial more obvious and visible 'awards' would hint that others were there for discovery. Regards, --Gary P.S. Mechanisms for 'awards' could hook into services like Moodle, the Journal, or via collaboration (so perhaps a shared Write session would show awards gained by the collaborators). Having a view to show all Activity Awards would also be a good driver (could be an activity, or ideally at some point part of Journal). The general idea for awards drifts in from the gaming environment, where awards are used to increase re-playability and tempt folks to try some other possible path. ... Nice concept. Some design and code integration with Activity Alerts, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac/sugar.graphics.alert , and Frame alerts, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Designs/Frame#12 , http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Designs/Frame#13, etc. may be appropriate. Yep, I imagine it's being up to the activity how it reveals a new 'award' being reached, but it could be as simple as showing an activity alert message (perhaps as a default design guideline for awards, if it is accepted), or some fancy splash/animation if the activity deems it appropriate. http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/722 has some discussion. I would like to see more noticeable messages for chat invitation alerts, for example. I think this is intended more for Activities (or Sugar shell) in the background to get your attention, but I guess it could be appropriated also for awards. I'll keep it in mind, thanks. Don't know where this is recorded for the Sugar 0.86 roadmap, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.86#Proposal_Goals ? It's not there. Though it did get discussed at SugarCamp Paris (along with a many other good ideas). I see awards as happening first as a single Activity demonstrator, not initially needing any Sugar integration work or time, but I (and David) would like to see it in the same time frame as 0.86. If it works, and is of demonstrable value, then we have fair grounds to lobby for the integration of useful/generic code, already written, into Sugar 0.88 for other Activities to easily reuse. The software infrastructure you propose could also be used for random or rule-based, single-point lesson reminders or reinforcers of learning. Yep :-) Regards
[Sugar-devel] personalisation and collaboration
Something has been in the back of my head for a while now, ever since I've seen the impressive capabilities of being able to share an activity with your neighbourhood. Being able to cooperatively use applications brings a new level of playability to it all, and it reminds me of when I first saw the ability for a computer game to be 'multi-player.'This gave it an extra dimension, and with it came the idea of awards for completing certain things, which would be displayed in your dashoard somewhere.The award system seems even more relevant for education than it did for games. We'v aleady mentioned the benefits of an award sysem so I'm not going to regugitate that, but what hasnt''t really been spoken about is, how and what kind of personal details should the journal store and share. I see this as a customisable option, something that can be as simple as only sharing first names, or sharing the name of your pet, your favorite colors and foods, the languages you speak. This detailed information about a person is extremely valuable to the underlying system, as it can potentially match people against each other. This would allow for some interesting possibilities when it comes to collaboration, such as the system suggesting users to challenge/collaborate with based on personal information. I thought about having a robot that lives on an irc channel capable of helping with the collaboration procedure, as well as listing achievements, giving data on which users want to collaborate, giving help on how collaboration works with particular activities, listing which servers have open collaboration, showing the most used/highest rated collaborating activities, etc. I havent thought about this too much in depth, but I know coding a bot is not too hard. I see it as an extension to the speak AI, and encouragement to join irc. We can even get the bot to accept uploads of raw learning materials categorised by subject, which can then be used by content creators. it itself could give out quizzes based on particular subjects, or interesting pieces of information/knowledge. It could be taught new information, by feeding it localised knowledge. It would be important to know where we set the limits to what it can do. Just some food for thought... David (nubae) Van Assche ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Getting data about the upgrading older machines and SoaS responsiveness.
When it come to older pcs, it really makes sense to try and use LTSP. We have created a kiwi-ltsp usb stick for openSUSE, which gives a portable ltsp server wherever u plug it in. In most cases it would make sense for this to be the most powerful computer. It is as easy as installing the sugar and sugar activities meta packages on this usb image and the users on the ltsp network then have access to Sugar from any computer in the network, and they are bound to load faster than from a usb image. The advantage is u need one usb stick per network, as opposed to one for each terminal... that saves costs, and time. Also, u dont need any of the old hardware, such as cdrom drives, hard drives, etc. Networking and internet is also no issue as if it works on the server, it has to work on each of the terminals too... kind Regards, David (nubae) Van Assche On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Let me echo Caryl's question. Do we have a page with tasks for new volunteers? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO has been restored and is ready to be updated, perhaps restructured to cover this need. --Fred ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Getting data about the upgrading older machines and SoaS responsiveness.
That's a good point, and I understand the thinking behind it, as if you are not 'changing' anything in an existing setup, people are less afraid that things might go terribly wrong. That's the reason we have ltsp on a usb stick... because you can stick in a server, and test it without installing anything. Think of it as SoaS server with beaurocratic advantages included (taking care of networking, providing Sugar images, setting up user accounts, providng collaboration if necessary. It is by no means the XS server, nor should it try to be that, its just the desktop environment part with ejabberd, if needed.. of course, it only works in wired environments. kind Regards, David (nubae) Van Assche On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 8:19 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:24 PM, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: When it come to older pcs, it really makes sense to try and use LTSP. We have created a kiwi-ltsp usb stick for openSUSE, which gives a portable ltsp server wherever u plug it in. In most cases it would make sense for this to be the most powerful computer. It is as easy as installing the sugar and sugar activities meta packages on this usb image and the users on the ltsp network then have access to Sugar from any computer in the network, and they are bound to load faster than from a usb image. The advantage is u need one usb stick per network, as opposed to one for each terminal... that saves costs, and time. Also, u dont need any of the old hardware, such as cdrom drives, hard drives, etc. Networking and internet is also no issue as if it works on the server, it has to work on each of the terminals too... SoaS is also working on a slightly different issue. I didn't understand it until Caroline explained it for about the 100th time yesterday:) In addition to all the technical hurdles. Sugar on a Stick is tackling the _bureaucratic_ issue of installing and running Sugar (or any software) on systems which one doesn't have admin access. In many schools it can be difficult to get the authority to install software or modify the configuration on their computers. SoaS circumvents that problem by replacing 'install a new OS' with 'insert the stick and turn it on.' The piece that I was _misunderstanding_ was that all of the technically hurdles that SoaS introduces are worth the ability to circumvent the bureaucratic hurdles. FWIW, at least in developed nations Once you get the bureaucratic permission to 'install' Sugar, a client-server configuration is most palatable to the existing generation of elementary school sysadmins. david kind Regards, David (nubae) Van Assche On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Let me echo Caryl's question. Do we have a page with tasks for new volunteers? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO has been restored and is ready to be updated, perhaps restructured to cover this need. --Fred ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] personalisation and collaboration
Having pondered this a bit more, I came up with a practical example. Lets say we have a student in Uruguay, lets call him Fernando, and lets say we have a student in the UK, lets call her Suzy. Suzy's Spanish is not great, as she hasn't had the chance to delve into it practically, nor is she getting the right idea about how everyday Spanish is used in Spanish countries, having relied on terrible cliched examples of her antiquated text books. Fernando's English is not very good, seeing as the only English he is subjected to are pirate movies he buys from the local market, so he's learned more slang than real English. His school isn't even teaching English, but he desperately wants to learn it. Colabot knows both of these users, as it has analysed every willing user's e-portfolio, and knows they would compliment each other perfectly say by sharing the Speak activity. Colabot could suggest times at which these 2 students could meet virtually and collaborate in order to improve their language skills. Colabot could keep track of their on going meetings, showing the amount of hours spent on language learning. Colabot could even give out an award or recognition after the students had spent X amount of hours learning together. The great thing about this example is that it seems to me to be pure construcionism with technology at its simplest and its best. The 2 students are teachers to each other, and colabot is there purely in the capacity a teacher normally should be, to guide the learning process. kind Regards, David Van Assche On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 7:00 AM, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Something has been in the back of my head for a while now, ever since I've seen the impressive capabilities of being able to share an activity with your neighbourhood. Being able to cooperatively use applications brings a new level of playability to it all, and it reminds me of when I first saw the ability for a computer game to be 'multi-player.'This gave it an extra dimension, and with it came the idea of awards for completing certain things, which would be displayed in your dashoard somewhere.The award system seems even more relevant for education than it did for games. We'v aleady mentioned the benefits of an award sysem so I'm not going to regugitate that, but what hasnt''t really been spoken about is, how and what kind of personal details should the journal store and share. I see this as a customisable option, something that can be as simple as only sharing first names, or sharing the name of your pet, your favorite colors and foods, the languages you speak. This detailed information about a person is extremely valuable to the underlying system, as it can potentially match people against each other. This would allow for some interesting possibilities when it comes to collaboration, such as the system suggesting users to challenge/collaborate with based on personal information. I thought about having a robot that lives on an irc channel capable of helping with the collaboration procedure, as well as listing achievements, giving data on which users want to collaborate, giving help on how collaboration works with particular activities, listing which servers have open collaboration, showing the most used/highest rated collaborating activities, etc. I havent thought about this too much in depth, but I know coding a bot is not too hard. I see it as an extension to the speak AI, and encouragement to join irc. We can even get the bot to accept uploads of raw learning materials categorised by subject, which can then be used by content creators. it itself could give out quizzes based on particular subjects, or interesting pieces of information/knowledge. It could be taught new information, by feeding it localised knowledge. It would be important to know where we set the limits to what it can do. Just some food for thought... David (nubae) Van Assche ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep In general, the idea of bots living in the Sugar neighborhood is a theme we haven't explored very much. It would be nice to come up with a simple, consistent framework for creating such a resource. Making it available through IRC as well is a cool idea. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] collaborative testing session (tomorrow's meeting) reminder
Hi folks, This is a reminder about the collaborative sugar testing session we are having tomorrow, Wednesday 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) We will have a good 5-10 people present, but more are welcome as we really want to see how collaboration works on many activities where it isn't quite obvious. We will be taking notes and storing log files of the sessions, and will suggest ways in which the activity in question might be more collaborative, or may need less of it (who knows :-) We will be testing the activities that come pre-installed on the openSUSE sugar images, but we'd like to test various distribution methods (virtual appliance, cd, usb, hd) and various distros (at least Fedora SoaS, openSUSE sugar, Mandriva or Caixa Magica) I dont believe 0.82 images are compatible with 0.84 for collaboration, so am afraid this is for 0.84 only... Please post your willingness to participate so we have an idea on who/how many will be collaborating. We also need a volunteer to take notes, and a volunteer to store logs files. There will of course be a transcript of the irc session too (we will meet at #sugar-collaboration) We forsee this taking between 1 and 2 hours... I need a volunteer that is shell savvy and can track cpu/ram usage on the server that is running ejabberd. It will be a good opportunity to see real life results within ejabberd, in terms of bandwidth usage, cpu usage, ram usage, etc. Here is the list of activities we will be testing, so make sure you have them installed if you plan to take part (not all have collaborative abilities, and for those that don't it can be a brainstorming session on whether/how we can make them collaborative: sugar-finance etoys sugar-flipsticks-activity sugar-freecell sugar-imageviewer sugar-implode sugar-infoslicer sugar-jigsaw-puzzle-activity sugar-joke-machine-activity sugar-jukebox sugar-labyrinth sugar-maze sugar-memorize sugar-moon sugar-paint-activity sugar-pippy sugar-playgo sugar-read sugar-readetexts-activity sugar-record sugar-slider-puzzle-activity sugar-speak sugar-storybuilder sugar-tamtam-common sugar-tamtam-edit sugar-tamtam-jam sugar-tamtam-mini sugar-tamtam-synthlab sugar-analyze sugar-turtleart sugar-typing-turtle sugar-viewslides sugar-write sugar-browse sugar-irc sugar-calculate sugar-xomail (sugar-sweetmail) sugar-cartoonbuilder sugar-clock sugar-colors sugar-connect sugar-drgeo-activity xoEditor sugar-evince sugar-fiftytwo sugar-chat sugar-terminal sugar-journal sugar-physics sugar-library sugar-poll sugar-tuxpaint kind Regards, David (nubae) Van Assche ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Grassroots-l] collaborative testing session (tomorrow's meeting) reminder
Hmm ok, I stand corrected :-) I'm wondering now where I got the 20:00 time from... David On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.dewrote: On 09.06.2009, at 16:16, David Van Assche wrote: Hi folks, This is a reminder about the collaborative sugar testing session we are having tomorrow, Wednesday 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) Yet again I have to point out you are talking about 19:00 UTC, which on June 10th is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=6day=10year=2009hour=19min=0sec=0p1=0 - Bert - ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] sugar collaboration session June 10th report
Hi, I've published the report for our collaboration session which took place June 10th 2009. Please leave your comments, especially those who took part. http://www.nubae.com/collaboration-session-sugar-june10 thanks, David (nubae) Van Assche ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] ASLO Suggestion
I recommend u take a look at the openSUSE offering. I took a careful look at the activities available and packaged those that seemed useful, relatively bug free, and fun. I think we have about 55 activities now. kind Regards, David (nubae) Van Assche On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:09 PM, James Simmons jim.simm...@walgreens.comwrote: Aleksey, That will teach me to open my mouth. At the moment the only Activities I'm really familiar with are my own, Read, and your Library Activity which isn't finished (but would definitely be worthy otherwise). I'll have to add some more Activities to my XO and give them a try. Any suggestions on what might be worth a recommended status will be welcomed. Your other ideas sound good, but I still think we need some highly visible counts in there. As someone once said, You gotta tell 'em to sell 'em! Thanks, James Simmons Aleksey Lim wrote: You are an editor now and can do the best onhttp://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/editors/featured ;) And after fixing #948 all featured activities will appear on main page and per category main pages. I also question the category GCompris. I understand these Activities are related to each other, but the relationship would not be meaningful to a teacher or a student. fixed ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] collaborative testing session (tomorrow's meeting, 17th June) reminder
Hi folks, This is a reminder about the collaborative sugar testing session we are having tomorrow, Wednesday 17th June at 19:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) We will have a good 10+ people present, if last weeks numbers are anything to go by. We will be taking notes and storing log files of the sessions, and will suggest ways in which the activity in question might be more collaborative, or may need less of it (who knows :-) We will be testing the activities that come pre-installed on the openSUSE sugar images, but we'd like to test various distribution methods (virtual appliance, cd, usb, hd) and various distros (at least Fedora SoaS, openSUSE sugar, Mandriva or Caixa Magica) There will of course be a transcript of the irc session too (we will meet at #sugar-collaboration) and a report like last week. We forsee this taking between 1 and 2 hours... Daveb will be doing all the server side monitoring, such as ejabberd load, etc. Last week's lag should now be fixed as he has added the shared roster, and enabled gadget. Here is the list of activities available on the opensuse sugar cd, although not all are collaboration capable. Make sure you have the activities you want to collaborate with installed if you plan to take part: sugar-finance etoys sugar-flipsticks-activity sugar-freecell sugar-imageviewer sugar-implode sugar-infoslicer sugar-jigsaw-puzzle-activity sugar-joke-machine-activity sugar-jukebox sugar-labyrinth sugar-maze sugar-memorize sugar-moon sugar-paint-activity sugar-pippy sugar-playgo sugar-read sugar-readetexts-activity sugar-record sugar-slider-puzzle-activity sugar-speak sugar-storybuilder sugar-tamtam-common sugar-tamtam-edit sugar-tamtam-jam sugar-tamtam-mini sugar-tamtam-synthlab sugar-analyze sugar-turtleart sugar-typing-turtle sugar-viewslides sugar-write sugar-browse sugar-irc sugar-calculate sugar-xomail (sugar-sweetmail) sugar-cartoonbuilder sugar-clock sugar-colors sugar-connect sugar-drgeo-activity xoEditor sugar-evince sugar-fiftytwo sugar-chat sugar-terminal sugar-journal sugar-physics sugar-library sugar-poll sugar-tuxpaint kind Regards, David (nubae) Van Assche ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)
Sean and others can we please try and use the term SoaS slighlty more agnostically. Right now, every time its mentioned it always uses the Fedora backend without question or debate. I think of it a little like when someone says write me an office letter (and its quitely assumed by everyonen that they will be using Microsoft word for this) I spoke briefly to Sebastian about this and we suggestd, quite entertainingly: FedSoaS or SoaSora SuSoaS or SoaSuse GenSoaS or SoaS(t)oo DebSoaS or SoaSian ManSoaS or SoaSiva CaSoaS or SoaSica For me, I kind of like the last column Anyway, the point is not to tie SoaS to one distro... there are enough people willing to help for the different distros , and the more markets the better right? On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: We've discussed my idea to do a flurry of press releases over the next couple of weeks, coinciding with our presence/sessions at: * LinuxTag Berlin June 24-27 http://www.linuxtag.org/2009/en.html * Free Open Source Software in Education (FOSSED) Bethel, Maine June 24-26 http://www.fossed.com * National Educational Computing Conference (NECC) Washington, DC June 28-July 1 http://center.uoregon.edu/ISTE/NECC2009 (also EduBloggerCon / Classroom 2.0 LIVE in DC on June 27: http://www.edubloggercon.com/EduBloggerCon+2009) * Gran Canaria Desktop Summit (GUADEC+Akademy) Canary Islands July 3-July 11 http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/ After mulling it over I feel our interests will be best served by two press releases (eReleases/PR Newswire + Sugar Labs press page + targeted mailing to journalists educators), with an option for a third at GUADEC if there are new developments (very possible over next 10 days): Wednesday, June 24th, datelined LinuxTag: SoaS v1 Strawberry release! Gould grant / GPA pilot - classroom tests of SoaS 100 GCompris/ASLO - offer enriched XO-1.5 refresh/XO SoaS version - not forgetting the XO installed base Local Labs - Colombia, Washington DC, Rochester? Dailymotion channel - info source Image: SoaS beauty shots * Monday, June 29th: NECC (Washington DC) Nexcopy partnership Image: TBD I feel the richness of our news on the day both LinuxTag and FOSSED open will increase our chances for wide coverage. I think back-to-back releases won't work for our targeted mailing list and including two releases in one mailing would be clumsy. This will also simplify printing for handouts. The Nexcopy partnership has a different angle and call to action (collect recycle sticks / gesture for schools) and merits a separate treatment. The deadline for the Wednesday SoaS release is in 24 hours... I will put up a draft for the marketing list in a few hours. I will attend LinuxTag on June 26-27 and SugarCamp/FUDCon June 28th. If I've forgotten anything, if anyone has better ideas, please by all means let me know thanks! Sean ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [IAEP] [Marketing] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)
sorry ended up going to Sean only... -- Forwarded message -- From: David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC) To: Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com Soas = sugar on a stick whether that be on Fedora, Suse, debian, or mandriva... they are all the same thing, and I would argue SoaS is NOT a distro... just a dsitribution mechanism... for example, I call my opensuse based sugar on stick SoaS too, as that is technically what it is... David On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I beg everyone's pardon, I was under the impression that SoaS is Fedora-specific... are there plans to do versions based on other distros? Sean On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Bert Freudenbergb...@freudenbergs.de wrote: (excluding IAEP from cc list) On 18.06.2009, at 19:45, David Van Assche wrote: Anyway, the point is not to tie SoaS to one distro... Err, SoaS *is* a distro. It currently is based on Fedora, it might get based on something else in the unforeseeable future, but having a gazillion SoaSes isn't plan of anything I heard. there are enough people willing to help for the different distros , and the more markets the better right? Yes, definitely, Sugar needs to be integrated well in many different distros. But that's independed of the SoaS effort. - Bert - ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick Branches
Done... On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Frederick Grosefgr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:45 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Sean and others can we please try and use the term SoaS slighlty more agnostically. Right now, every time its mentioned it always uses the Fedora backend without question or debate. I think of it a little like when someone says write me an office letter (and its quitely assumed by everyonen that they will be using Microsoft word for this) I spoke briefly to Sebastian about this and we suggestd, quite entertainingly: FedSoaS or SoaSora SuSoaS or SoaSuse GenSoaS or SoaS(t)oo DebSoaS or SoaSian ManSoaS or SoaSiva CaSoaS or SoaSica For me, I kind of like the last column Anyway, the point is not to tie SoaS to one distro... there are enough people willing to help for the different distros , and the more markets the better right? Good idea. Please help to adjust http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Linux and http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick#Downloading_alternative_images to provide the community with specifics for those SoaStick branches or variants. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] the SoaS term (was: Press release flurry planning...)
Well, here is where I totally disagree. The term SoaS actually came from the ubuntu derived Sugar on a stick. so by your logic, as it was 'coined' by an individual who chose to put sugar on a usb stick using ubuntu, who by the same logic is the sole owner and user of that term. I think that really hurts Sugar in general. There are now at least 4 different version of SoaS that I know of, and I, having worked hard to bring one to market, feel it detracts from getting sugar out to the end users. If we start calling the thing a million different names, its just going to confuse and alienate people, not let them use it. In essence the experience should be very similar regardless of distro use, but different packagers will choose to package different things (case in point being debian which till recently only wanted to concentrate on 8.2) At events and conferences, when we choose to write these usb sticks or give out cdroms with sugar, the user should have a choice as to which underlying distro he wants to have (and yes it does make a difference), but it should still be called what it actualls is - Sugar on a usb stick. So when I say agnosticate the term, I mean use the term as it is semantically appropriate. I for one, will use that term to define openSUSE running as the base with sugar running on top of it, and will market it as such. But I will explain that it is available in multiple flavours post continues below... On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Jonas Smedegaardd...@jones.dk wrote: ---trim--- Anyway, the point is not to tie SoaS to one distro... there are enough people willing to help for the different distros , and the more markets the better right? I completely disagree. To me, SoaS is a specific distribution coined by Sugar enthusiasts (who happen to also most/all of them also to be Sugar developers). This particular distribution is derived from Fedora. It might be that in the future they decide to switch to Ubuntu or OpenSuSe as platform for their development. It might also be that other distributions emerge based on other major distributions. Whatever happens, let each distribution choose their own name. Or discuss with them to change name - I really don't care. What concerns me is that Sugarlabs do not dictate naming of external projects. I don't really get what you mean here... ...and now comes the fun part: Do Sugarlabs feel that SoaS is not external? I don't get what is meant by this... can u elaborate? I recomend to tream SoaS as a distribution, and I recommend Sugarlabs to leave the distribution task to others. Be friendly to any distribution that includes Sugar - sure - but don't take on that challenge yourself. There is plenty to do that is more Sugar-specific what challenge exactly? kind Regards, David Van Assche ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Fwd: [Marketing] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)
Well, that ship sailed quite a while ago. I find it hard to believe that you missed the significant publicity surrounding Sugar being available on openSUSE in ALL formats (cd/dvd/usb/vm appliance) as I've been touting that for at least 2 months now. In fact the collaboration sessions that have been advertised various times quite explicitly talk about the opensuse variant, which contains a large set of honey apps (thats what makes it different from Fedora SoaS) To me, saying stick = Fedora, is like saying Sugar is based solely on Fedora... which is just totally silly and very harmful for the distribution of it. Fedora is a very small community in comparison to the debian based world (which is approximately 60% of the market) then we also have Mandriva and openSUSE who take another good 25%+ of the market, conservatively. That leaves Fedora + derivatives with 15% of the market... (based on distrowatch figures) thats highly undemocratic to steal the term SoaS to just refer to Fedora (especially since the term actually came from someone who stuck Sugar on usb via Ubuntu) I can dig up the references for you guys if you like. How can Sugar on a Stick (not the term Fedora quite obviously missing from it) be Fedora centric? This smells to me like saying Office = microsoft... it smells very bad... which is why I'm raising my concerns over it somewhat... David On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Bert Freudenbergb...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 18.06.2009, at 20:28, David Van Assche wrote: Soas = sugar on a stick whether that be on Fedora, Suse, debian, or mandriva... they are all the same thing, and I would argue SoaS is NOT a distro... just a dsitribution mechanism... for example, I call my opensuse based sugar on stick SoaS too, as that is technically what it is... You can call that whatever you want, but please not in public. SoaS means a very specific distro, not just any Linux+Sugar slapped onto a USB flash drive. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I beg everyone's pardon, I was under the impression that SoaS is Fedora-specific... are there plans to do versions based on other distros? No, there are no such plans currently. IMHO we should not water down the meaning of SoaS. - Bert - ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Fwd: [Marketing] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)
right, otherwise, imagine I call the openSUSE cd version SoaC, Sugar on a CD or even SoaVM Sugar on a Virtual Machine am I the only one who see the broken logic here? David Van assche On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: This is just a naming problem. Sugar on a Stick is a generic descriptive phrase that has been repurposed as a proper noun. This inevitably leads to confusion, because the two meanings do not agree. I encourage the developers of the Fedora-derived image to adopt a new name, to solve this problem. For the new name, I recommend Sugar Labs Lollipop. --Ben ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] linux for education portal
Hi there, We've just launched a pretty decent start for a linux for education portal that should contain hundreds (we already have about 50) totally creative commons or similar free license courses that can be used online directly (guest access to all courses) or downloaded to export into one's own e-learning platform (backups are moodle based.) The site contains howtos, forums, wikipedias and chatrooms, as well as the traditional Moodle courses on a wide array of subjects across the board. It is totally free, and will remain that way both in terms of beer and ideology. We encourage people to take part in it. It is really not too hard to take an existing howto or wiki entry or something and turn it into an interactive course. There are plenty of examples, and there are also courses on Moodle itself and why one should use it. Currently it may seem quite opensuse-centric, but we are working hard to make it as generic to linux as possible as we have noticed that there isn't really such a comprehensive resource out there on this subject matter. We appreciate all help, so please drop us a line if you would like to get involved in any way at all. peace, David (nubae) Van Assche ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Fwd: [Marketing] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)
ok, This is becoming silly... Fedora nor Sugarlabs (and I think I consider myself quite a central contributor to sugarlabs) does not have a patent, trademark or anything else that should somehow allow it to kidnap the term sugar on a stick, which is a far too generic term to be kidnapped by anyone. I will, and in public too, call any distribution that contains sugar on a usb/SD or any other kind of stick Sugar on a stick (SoaS) as that is what it technically is. I'll end the discussion at that as going any further is probably going to spiral into something resembling a non-sensical flame war. David Van Assche On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:49 PM, James Zakijzgr...@sugarlabs.org wrote: +1 Bert and others my2cents Outside of the opensource world I've seen many non-mainstream groups become too thinly spread due the many dedicated individuals involved together. I've seen in first hand in a few different sports, and know of it in a couple of other examples, such as French left wing political parties. I dont want to repeat everyone, but I fully agree with SoaS being Fedora, and other distros a seperate thing for those want to do that. If distro support was a task for the sweet sugar people there would be less resources on actual sugar development. Forgive me, as I tend to have a habit of stating the obvious. James /my2cents Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:53:48 +0200 From: Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Fwd: [Marketing] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC) To: Sugar-dev Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Cc: Marketing market...@lists.sugarlabs.org , IAEP List i...@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 4c153f4b-8bb5-4583-a9a2-f5620667a...@freudenbergs.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes On 18.06.2009, at 20:28, David Van Assche wrote: Soas = sugar on a stick whether that be on Fedora, Suse, debian, or mandriva... they are all the same thing, and I would argue SoaS is NOT a distro... just a dsitribution mechanism... for example, I call my opensuse based sugar on stick SoaS too, as that is technically what it is... You can call that whatever you want, but please not in public. SoaS means a very specific distro, not just any Linux+Sugar slapped onto a USB flash drive. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I beg everyone's pardon, I was under the impression that SoaS is Fedora-specific... are there plans to do versions based on other distros? No, there are no such plans currently. IMHO we should not water down the meaning of SoaS. - Bert - ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Fwd: [Marketing] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)
Sean... u stated it very correctly. Lets leave whats under the hood, there where its supposed to be... we are driving a car, and whether thats a mercedes, bmw or ford really shouldnt matter as long as it drives now if u want specific items in your car or u want your car to drive in a particular style and speed, then have a look see what the different car brands do and how they differ but just cause u like car X, doesn't mean that is the only term used to describe what it is you are driving... Thats just one simple analogy, but its relevant to just about anything SoaS = Sugar on a Stick is a generic term that doesn't in any way hint at what distro its aimed for. Thats the reason why I suggested sub SoaS to define distros, like FedSoaS, but whatever... if SoaS is what most people want to brand the fedora SoaS product, go ahead... but it'll confuse people for sure.. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:29 PM, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: ok, This is becoming silly... Fedora nor Sugarlabs (and I think I consider myself quite a central contributor to sugarlabs) does not have a patent, trademark or anything else that should somehow allow it to kidnap the term sugar on a stick, which is a far too generic term to be kidnapped by anyone. I will, and in public too, call any distribution that contains sugar on a usb/SD or any other kind of stick Sugar on a stick (SoaS) as that is what it technically is. I'll end the discussion at that as going any further is probably going to spiral into something resembling a non-sensical flame war. David Van Assche On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:49 PM, James Zakijzgr...@sugarlabs.org wrote: +1 Bert and others my2cents Outside of the opensource world I've seen many non-mainstream groups become too thinly spread due the many dedicated individuals involved together. I've seen in first hand in a few different sports, and know of it in a couple of other examples, such as French left wing political parties. I dont want to repeat everyone, but I fully agree with SoaS being Fedora, and other distros a seperate thing for those want to do that. If distro support was a task for the sweet sugar people there would be less resources on actual sugar development. Forgive me, as I tend to have a habit of stating the obvious. James /my2cents Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:53:48 +0200 From: Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Fwd: [Marketing] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC) To: Sugar-dev Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Cc: Marketing market...@lists.sugarlabs.org , IAEP List i...@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 4c153f4b-8bb5-4583-a9a2-f5620667a...@freudenbergs.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes On 18.06.2009, at 20:28, David Van Assche wrote: Soas = sugar on a stick whether that be on Fedora, Suse, debian, or mandriva... they are all the same thing, and I would argue SoaS is NOT a distro... just a dsitribution mechanism... for example, I call my opensuse based sugar on stick SoaS too, as that is technically what it is... You can call that whatever you want, but please not in public. SoaS means a very specific distro, not just any Linux+Sugar slapped onto a USB flash drive. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I beg everyone's pardon, I was under the impression that SoaS is Fedora-specific... are there plans to do versions based on other distros? No, there are no such plans currently. IMHO we should not water down the meaning of SoaS. - Bert - ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)
the activity handbook link on the Almanac page is broken... David On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:03, Christoph Derndorferchristoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the Sugar Almanac so far: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac IMHO this is the best place to get you started with Sugar development. Yeah, but for now it's only python :/ We need people to keep contributing to it. Regards, Tomeu Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Mike Ditka http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mike_ditka.html - If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)
Well its not that it doesn't resolve, it goes to a page not found... On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:30 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.comwrote: the activity handbook link on the Almanac page is broken... That doesn't really come as a surprise since the OLPC Austria Web site (where the Activity Handbook is hosted on the wiki) has been down for the past week or so... :-/ Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com -- Samuel Goldwynhttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_goldwyn.html - I'm willing to admit that I may not always be right, but I am never wrong. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] article about Sugar in Wired magazine
http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/08/inventing-a-new-paradigm-sugarlabs-and-the-sugar-ui/ enjoy David Van Assche -- Charles de Gaullehttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/charles_de_gaulle.html - The better I get to know men, the more I find myself loving dogs. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11)
H... I have to agree with Christoph here. I didn't really see it as being dramatic at all, but quite factual in fact. The western small deployments really don't give us any useful stats on what is happening on a larger scale in the third world. And its important to acknowledge the differences between these, which Christoph listed quite concretely. I think what may not have come across obviously enough was that we need way more data from the field, in places where Sugar is being used on a large scale, and this data is just not getting to us. I for one, would love to have some cold hard facts about Sugar as used in South America and Africa. kind Regards, David Van Assche On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:21 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Christoph Derndorfere0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Sean DALY schrieb: IMHO, close study of small deployments makes them incredibly useful to all teachers and Learners. The observations and take-aways need to be triaged of course, starting with what can/should be done by Sugar Labs, but I am convinced many learnings will benefit large deployments. Until reliable means of sharing experiences and feedback (polls, questionnaires, council of deployers, etc.) can be put in place, microscopic study of a classroom using Sugar is well worth the effort, in particular for revealing blockers. I'm not sure I really agree with this statement... Christoph please keep the dramatic headlines to olpcnews. In the above paragraph, Walter notes that many lessons can be learned from controlled environments which can then be applied to larger scaled, less controlled environments. Please note, this does not _exclude_ anyone from providing feedback from large scale deployments. Nor does it _prevent_ anyone from creating small scale deployments anywhere in the world. _all_ it states is that it is often cost effective to start small and grow as lessons have been learned. And yes, Christoph I _am_ holding your writing to a higher standard. Several times, you have described yourself as the voice of the project. david Extrapolating the data and drawing conclusions based on observations in a trial that represents less than 0,01% of all current Sugar installations is a risky endeavor at best and a serious mistake at worst. Even more so when the environment between the trial (in this case GPA) and the global deployments really couldn't be more different in just about every way imaginable (SoaS vs. XO, summer classes vs. regular year-long classes, Boston connectivity vs. Rwanda connectivity, 25 installations in a school vs. 1000 installations in a school, US power infrastructure vs. Nepali power infrastructure, having a team consisting of Walter / Greg / Caroline supporting the efforts vs. being lucky to maybe have a single person who has used a computer before, 25 pupils in a classroom vs. 80 pupils in a classroom, users that were raised in urban North America vs. users who don't have electricity at home, and I could go on...). Yes, some of the findings at GPA will indeed be of a broad and general nature and subsequent actions will benefit all Sugar users. Yes, projects like in Alabama, Austria, the UK and similar places will be able to learn many things from the GPA pilot. But let's not forget that the current million Sugar users and (if the reports are to be believed) also the next million Sugar users are much more likely to be found in Ancash, Kigali or Sichuan rather than Boston, London or Vienna. And I doubt that you'll find too many schools in those places that have a profile similar to GPA [1]. Just my 2 Nepali Rupees, Christoph [1] The Gardner Pilot Academy is the flagship full-service community school within the Boston Public Schools (BPS). The school's vision is to educate the minds and develop the characters of all students in partnership with families and community. To achieve this GPA provides high quality teaching along with a range of social, emotional and enrichment programs delivered by means of partnerships with an array of community organizations and individuals. Over the past twelve years, GPA has developed strong associations with four universities, several health and mental health agencies, the YMCA, and various organizations teaching visual and performing arts. As one of just 20 pilot schools in the BPS, GPA is exempt from district mandates. Therefore, GPA has autonomy in the areas of budget and personnel, along with the freedom to implement innovative curricula, assessments, and interventions. ( http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Gardner_Pilot_Academy#Gardner_Pilot_Academy) -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11)
I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying... all I said was we need more data from the field I am in no way blaming anyone for not getting feedback, on the contrary, I am frustrated that the calls for feediback are not being heard enoguh, and I am well aware of people's efforts to try and get this feedback. What I am saying is that the feedback is not coming through does this make sense? Or are you saying the feedback is getting through and I'm just not seeing it? regards, David On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 15:51, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: H... I have to agree with Christoph here. I didn't really see it as being dramatic at all, but quite factual in fact. The western small deployments really don't give us any useful stats on what is happening on a larger scale in the third world. Ok, but will give some other interesting information, or not at all? And its important to acknowledge the differences between these, which Christoph listed quite concretely. And isn't this stating the obvious? I think what may not have come across obviously enough was that we need way more data from the field, in places where Sugar is being used on a large scale, and this data is just not getting to us. I for one, would love to have some cold hard facts about Sugar as used in South America and Africa. I'm quite appalled by this, you don't read the mailing lists where we make regular calls for feedback? Short from taking a plane and visiting school by school, I don't see what else I can do to get that feedback. You understand Spanish, search the olpc-sur mailing list for posts by Walter and me and tell here again if we don't ask for feedback. It's really frustrating that we are here spending our savings and time on this project, and not only the people deploying our software don't want to talk to us despite our requests, but other people still think we don't want to know about them. Frustratedly yours, Tomeu kind Regards, David Van Assche On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:21 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Christoph Derndorfere0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Sean DALY schrieb: IMHO, close study of small deployments makes them incredibly useful to all teachers and Learners. The observations and take-aways need to be triaged of course, starting with what can/should be done by Sugar Labs, but I am convinced many learnings will benefit large deployments. Until reliable means of sharing experiences and feedback (polls, questionnaires, council of deployers, etc.) can be put in place, microscopic study of a classroom using Sugar is well worth the effort, in particular for revealing blockers. I'm not sure I really agree with this statement... Christoph please keep the dramatic headlines to olpcnews. In the above paragraph, Walter notes that many lessons can be learned from controlled environments which can then be applied to larger scaled, less controlled environments. Please note, this does not _exclude_ anyone from providing feedback from large scale deployments. Nor does it _prevent_ anyone from creating small scale deployments anywhere in the world. _all_ it states is that it is often cost effective to start small and grow as lessons have been learned. And yes, Christoph I _am_ holding your writing to a higher standard. Several times, you have described yourself as the voice of the project. david Extrapolating the data and drawing conclusions based on observations in a trial that represents less than 0,01% of all current Sugar installations is a risky endeavor at best and a serious mistake at worst. Even more so when the environment between the trial (in this case GPA) and the global deployments really couldn't be more different in just about every way imaginable (SoaS vs. XO, summer classes vs. regular year-long classes, Boston connectivity vs. Rwanda connectivity, 25 installations in a school vs. 1000 installations in a school, US power infrastructure vs. Nepali power infrastructure, having a team consisting of Walter / Greg / Caroline supporting the efforts vs. being lucky to maybe have a single person who has used a computer before, 25 pupils in a classroom vs. 80 pupils in a classroom, users that were raised in urban North America vs. users who don't have electricity at home, and I could go on...). Yes, some of the findings at GPA will indeed be of a broad and general nature and subsequent actions will benefit all Sugar users. Yes, projects like in Alabama, Austria, the UK and similar places will be able to learn many things from the GPA pilot. But let's not forget that the current million Sugar users and (if the reports are to be believed) also the next million Sugar
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11)
From my end, I can offer extensive feedback on Sugar usage in Andalucian schools, when we ship our next release in September. As this is a pretty controlled environment, we should be able to get some automated statistics. I'd love to hear some ideas on this. What could we install on the client sugar sessions to track things... perhaps, programs being used, length of time used, internet connectivity or not, etc. What I'm saying is, we could build some kind of statistic tracking into the computers as long as its not efficiency damaging or privacy violating... kind regards, David Van Assche On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:17 PM, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Or are you saying the feedback is getting through and I'm just not seeing it? We all seem to agree that feedback is important. We mostly agree that there is value in feedback from all deployments, big and small. We are currently getting valuable feedback from the field: Sur, the Ceibal blogs, reports from Nepal, Greg's reports from GPA, et al. We need more feedback and therefore we are exploring additional means of getting it. You ideas are welcome! -walter [snip] -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Pablo Picassohttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html - Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11)
Ok, I think what's happening here is a breakdown in communication. When I used the term obvious, I was talking about Christoph's email... I was stating that perhaps the message, as I understood it, was that we need more data from the field... and that _the message_ was not obvious enough in the email. I never meant that the feedback was not obvious enough... or that developers were not doing enough to keep us informed. I really hope this makes sense. I'm a little concerned that I have to be so careful about wording. I sort of get the feeling that should one make any type of constructive criticism, this is immediately construed as a threat, and the person writing the criticism is forced to walk on egg shells. I understand that talking about what can be done better, or what should have been done that wasnt, etc causes very emotional responses because of the time people have given to the project, but should we really just shut up about this stuff? Or is there value to hearing people's opinions on how things could be improved? And on that note, I'd like to hear how I can improve gathering feedback for our Autonomous region, based on methods currently in place elsewhere. What I'm asking for is links to documentation that show how this has been done till now in South America, Nepal and Asia, Africa, Europe. I've looked around, but there is not too much information on the web. My idea is to try and automate this as much as possible by creating a set of scripts, or plugins that can measure stats and then send these (probably via xmpp) Someone mentioned munin, but this doesn't really give user statistics much though... its more of a network tool for servers for measuring performance, resource usage, and graphing these. What I am talking about is digitising the current manual feedback that is happening elsewhere (how many users running which apps, lesson plans being used, languages, how many computers requiring repairs, general problems people are running into, and generally people's feelings on sugar usage, maybe even surveys) kind regards, David Van Assche On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 20:17, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying... all I said was we need more data from the field Well, I also understood that you said that it wasn't obvious enough. Which surprised me after all the noise lately about getting feedback. Anyway, I'm seeing feedback coming right now and also efforts to organize feedback gathering. So, let's do it! Regards, Tomeu I am in no way blaming anyone for not getting feedback, on the contrary, I am frustrated that the calls for feediback are not being heard enoguh, and I am well aware of people's efforts to try and get this feedback. What I am saying is that the feedback is not coming through does this make sense? Or are you saying the feedback is getting through and I'm just not seeing it? regards, David On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 15:51, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: H... I have to agree with Christoph here. I didn't really see it as being dramatic at all, but quite factual in fact. The western small deployments really don't give us any useful stats on what is happening on a larger scale in the third world. Ok, but will give some other interesting information, or not at all? And its important to acknowledge the differences between these, which Christoph listed quite concretely. And isn't this stating the obvious? I think what may not have come across obviously enough was that we need way more data from the field, in places where Sugar is being used on a large scale, and this data is just not getting to us. I for one, would love to have some cold hard facts about Sugar as used in South America and Africa. I'm quite appalled by this, you don't read the mailing lists where we make regular calls for feedback? Short from taking a plane and visiting school by school, I don't see what else I can do to get that feedback. You understand Spanish, search the olpc-sur mailing list for posts by Walter and me and tell here again if we don't ask for feedback. It's really frustrating that we are here spending our savings and time on this project, and not only the people deploying our software don't want to talk to us despite our requests, but other people still think we don't want to know about them. Frustratedly yours, Tomeu kind Regards, David Van Assche On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:21 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Christoph Derndorfere0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Sean DALY schrieb: IMHO, close study of small deployments makes them incredibly useful
Re: [Sugar-devel] feedback from a teacher in Uruguay
Hi Andrés, The sharing of activities not working for more than a few connections is a common issue in all the deployments I have seen. It is really important to have an ejabberd server to help with routing xmpp traffic, if you plan on running more than a few XOs in collaborative mode. kind regards, David Van Assche On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Andrés Nacelle anace...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: Hello you all, In first place thanks for asking, 'm glad to try to help here. Well, lets see. I think in first place we need to make sure witch is the version of the SO and firmware on the XO from the teacher and children, which is really easy for the teacher to tell us. There's a chance that she (or some student) have an activity called something like Info XO, in that case they just have to run it and the info will be displayed. In case she doesn't have it she needs to pres the tick button on the game pad during the booting for the firmware and after the booting change to a terminal an there look for the SO version. Once we have that info we can start to see if we can do something about the mesh issue. Independent of this, we never been able to share activities on the mesh for more than a few XO, trying with 20 no XO shared a thing, not even one. On the other topics I have nothing to say different from what has been said in the mailing list. Thank Andres Nacelle 2009/8/14 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org 2009/8/13 Gabriel Eirea gei...@gmail.com: Hi all, I'm sending below the original text (in Spanish) of a teacher friend's request. I'll try to translate her main concerns. 1) Mesh network doesn't work. Very few kids can get in the same network. She claims it got worse with the latest update in Ceibal. Not sure we can debug this remotely :/ Andrés, do you know about any work in the Ceibal plan to determine the reliability of the mesh network? 2) She saves Write documents in the pendrive, then she opens them at home with KUbuntu and OpenOffice, then she saves the modified document in the pendrive and tries to open it in the XO with Write. She claims she can't open it even if the document was not modified. 3) Same scenario as 2), she saves it from KUbuntu as a pdf in a pendrive. She can't open it back in the XO (she gets a blank page). 4) The previous cases are frustrating because she wants to be able to move back and forth between the XO and her (convenitonal) laptop. I understand the frustration, do you think we could get copies of those files and more details about the workflow? About usb sticks, in versions earlier than 0.84 we are using a scheme that is quite fragile, specially when using the same stick with non-sugar computers. I would recommend deleting the .olpc.store in the usb stick after every usage in a non-sugar computer and see if weird things stop happening. If this helps somehow, then we should find a way to publicize this trick. Note that from Sugar 0.84 this is not needed. 5) SocialCalc save and restore doesn't work. After saving, there is a Journal entry but when they open it the information is not there. Manu, know anything about it? I guess having a ticket with the activity logs would help here. 6) She claims that files dissappear for no reason. This probably needs to be clarified. She discards the possibility of kids deleting files by accident. Yes, this deserves further clarification. It's a very wide issue, so we'll need a way to track all the different circumstances in which data reliability can happen. The journal data store was rewritten in 0.84 with increasing reliability on mind, but I guess it will take a while to update all machines to that or later versions of Sugar. Now the question is, how can we get these questions in reasonable shape so it is useful information for debugging? That's the Million Laptops Question ;) We are doing nice progress on this, but it's a really big task. Thanks a lot, Tomeu Thanks, Gabriel -- Mensaje reenviado -- Quisiera que supieras que tenemos algunos problemas con varias cosas en la xo y me parece que son puntos importantes para que podamos trabajar mejor con la máquina. te paso algunos, y vos ves si pueden hacer algo al respecto. Las redes malla siguen funcionando mal, y desde que se actualizaron las máquinas es peor, son muy pocos los niños que logran entrar en la misma red. He tenido dificultades cuando guardo en el pen drive textos realizados en write, los leo con el open office y luego vuelvo a cargarlo en sus máquinas y no me los lee, aún cuando no les realizo ninguna modificación. Probé cambiándole el formato a pdf, que sé que las xo lo leen, y no pude, cuando abro el pen en la xo y hago clic en el archivo, ahí puedo ver que está el texto (no lo abrió aún) y hago clic en retomar y qqueda la hoja en blanco. no tengo idea como voy a hacer para que reparen el texto si
Re: [Sugar-devel] feedback from a teacher in Uruguay
Yeah, with that many clients, I'd play with the s2s option to load balance the xmpp traffic. Either that, and/or take out all debugging options, error feedback, and the like, so you only get the needed traffic... This page gives some tuning options: http://www.ejabberd.im/tuning Enabling Gadget is supposed to really help, too. Please let us know how it all goes, as this kind of information is invaluable. From the realtively few reports we get about collaboration scaling, it seems xmpp based sharing is not very widespread yet. I guess this is fortunate in one way (things generally work), but unfortunate in another (not enough feedback) Also this from ejabberd site: Kernel poll reduces ejabberd's CPU usage when it has hundreds (or more) network connections. It does not affect memory consumption or latency, so if you plan to support great amounts of simultaneous connected users, you really want to have a Jabber server with Kernel Poll support. There is also the possibility of using a different server, but from everything mentioned, it does seem like Erlang based ejabberd will scale better than anything else. But good things have been said about Java based Openfire and Tigase, and Lua based Prosody. We are actually doing an internal evaluation of the various xmpp servers at my work, so I'll try publishing that... good luck, David Van Assche On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Andrés Nacelle anace...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: Hi David, we're aware of this situation. In fact we attempt to share activities between this mush XO in order to compare the performance against the ejabber. We've got good results with the ejabber, but we don't know what will happen in a big school where 200 or 300 XO may appear n the Neighbourhood view. Without the ejabber lots of udp traffic is generated, from which about 60% are retransmissions. If ejabber is used you still should get an improvement on the performance if you disable the beacons and the probe response, they can produce saturation in the net for some seconds. Thank for you advise and help. Andres Nacelle 2009/8/14 David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com Hi Andrés, The sharing of activities not working for more than a few connections is a common issue in all the deployments I have seen. It is really important to have an ejabberd server to help with routing xmpp traffic, if you plan on running more than a few XOs in collaborative mode. kind regards, David Van Assche On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Andrés Nacelle anace...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: Hello you all, In first place thanks for asking, 'm glad to try to help here. Well, lets see. I think in first place we need to make sure witch is the version of the SO and firmware on the XO from the teacher and children, which is really easy for the teacher to tell us. There's a chance that she (or some student) have an activity called something like Info XO, in that case they just have to run it and the info will be displayed. In case she doesn't have it she needs to pres the tick button on the game pad during the booting for the firmware and after the booting change to a terminal an there look for the SO version. Once we have that info we can start to see if we can do something about the mesh issue. Independent of this, we never been able to share activities on the mesh for more than a few XO, trying with 20 no XO shared a thing, not even one. On the other topics I have nothing to say different from what has been said in the mailing list. Thank Andres Nacelle 2009/8/14 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org 2009/8/13 Gabriel Eirea gei...@gmail.com: Hi all, I'm sending below the original text (in Spanish) of a teacher friend's request. I'll try to translate her main concerns. 1) Mesh network doesn't work. Very few kids can get in the same network. She claims it got worse with the latest update in Ceibal. Not sure we can debug this remotely :/ Andrés, do you know about any work in the Ceibal plan to determine the reliability of the mesh network? 2) She saves Write documents in the pendrive, then she opens them at home with KUbuntu and OpenOffice, then she saves the modified document in the pendrive and tries to open it in the XO with Write. She claims she can't open it even if the document was not modified. 3) Same scenario as 2), she saves it from KUbuntu as a pdf in a pendrive. She can't open it back in the XO (she gets a blank page). 4) The previous cases are frustrating because she wants to be able to move back and forth between the XO and her (convenitonal) laptop. I understand the frustration, do you think we could get copies of those files and more details about the workflow? About usb sticks, in versions earlier than 0.84 we are using a scheme that is quite fragile, specially when using the same stick with non-sugar computers. I would recommend deleting the .olpc.store in the usb stick after every usage in a non
[Sugar-devel] DB module for moodle in XS server serously coool and needed addittion
To create a easy reference for linux commands, the best way was to use the Moodle database module. You can create quite elaborate databases which are then easily edited and added to by users. There are only 4 entries in it right now, but the idea is for it to get filled up. So give it a go... http://www.linux-for-education.org/mod/data/view.php?id=2747 The idea is, that this approach can be used for making the incredibly powerful and simple to use dbs for XS moodle installs to contain important materials such as a testing DB, general equipment DB, commands DB, hell even a local apps DB that links ot applications.sugarlabs.org Anyway, I remember Marting Langhoff trying to grab people's attention to this great module, well above is an implementation example which not only works, but looks ok to.. kind regaards, David Van Assche linux-for-education.org -- www.nubae.com -- Stephen Leacockhttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html - I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall some day die, which is not so. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.86 plans
And we are relying on jhconvert for openSUSE rpms too. Outside that we maintain more than 50 honey activities via oBS. kind regards, David Van Assche On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:06:56AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: I am planning to blog about the plans for 0.86 in the various distros. In order to ensure I get my facts straight, I am asking that those of you involved in packaging please send me a sentence or two describing your targets. Among jhconvert's official repos, Mandriva: 0.86 was packaged to development repository and will be in the next 2010.0 release(2009-11-03) -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Samuel Goldwynhttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_goldwyn.html - I'm willing to admit that I may not always be right, but I am never wrong. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Tutorius Demo and Meeting
Please put them in linux-for-education.org. Pages too if u do more work doing than the person that currently has one not only do you get his (his responsibility to engraveI lost this tshirt in good shame and faith, but by the batttlecry of Eureeeka, I will reclaim it one again-2 to Full Name I think its a fun idea, and it could be a thing for various distros and various themes. Almost like pledges to get, like in xbox-playstation(nintendo) Lets say for Linux-for-education.org there are only 10 tshirts for now. the major distros do somethin similar, doesnt even have to be in area of IT a cool limited edition t-shirt, This should put some computition into dox writing triaging and bug bashing. Along with the pages, we must have at least 1 judge, robbed, robber eh achhievements. publicly show it off in the liunux wall of shame page. On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Erick Lavoie erick.lav...@gmail.com wrote: As discussed before, Tutorius is a project done by 9 students from Université de Sherbrooke (Québec, Canada) aiming to integrate interactive tutorials inside Sugar to guide Sugar users in learning the platform and its activities. Our goal for december is to be able to cover most of the content of the Floss manual. We are doing this along 3 axis: Execution: Add the mecanisms needed to Sugar to support execution of tutorials Creation: Provide tools to create tutorials from within Sugar in a GUI environment Sharing: Provide a platform to share tutorials on the web We have shown demos in the past of basic capabilities (in chronological order), here, here and at a presentation given last April. Next Friday, we will hang around on IRC at 13h EST and give a live demo of the current state of the project using Yuuguu or something equivalent, with an execution engine running in a separate process than the activity, an overhauled tutorial creator (still running inside the activity process) and maybe a quick overview of the sharing platform based around the addon sharing platform from Mozilla. We would like to exchange ideas with people and discuss technical matters with the following goals: Receive feedback on the work done so far Discuss the possible integration of our system with Sugar, the SugarLabs sharing platform and the official release cycle Anticipate possible evolutions Exchange ideas and pointers to similar work and papers to inspire ourselves and avoid duplicating research efforts Our team will disband around mid-december, but I'll keep maintaining the project and there might be possibilities for another team of 6-8 people from Université de Sherbrooke to push the project further in January for another year. It would be really exciting to see a collaboration with SugarLabs continue in the future! For those interested in a more technical view of the inner working of the system, see Tutorius Architecture, especially the Component section. See you on IRC on Friday at 13h EST! Erick Lavoie for Tutorius ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Ted Turner - Sports is like a war without the killing. - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/ted_turner.html ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the Chat/collab leader issue...
Don't get me wrong though, I agree thoroughly that we should really test it and make sure it plays as advertised But I think its gonna be easier to do that than test/scale/stabalise what we currently have. David On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Well, at least on Gnome, Mission Control not only works well, but its far more stable and does what its supposed to. Its been very heavily tested by Nokia (Maemo), Collabra, Google, openmoko and other heavy hitters. I don't really agree that we have something that works with sugar presence. In the majority of cases, where we've had testing sessions, though admittedly, with badly callibrated xmpp servers, I would go so far as to say that it was attrocious in terms of performance and stability. Once connected, collaboration worked great, but the stuff that happens before that, which is what sugar presence is supposed to be taking care of does not work well at all. If you take a look at telepathy-inspector and the advancements in telepathy itself, of which mission control 5 is one of the major overhauls, its massive improvement over the passed. And one of the main issues was that sugar presence used its own bindings, blind sighting a lot of what telepathy is doing, which is why currently it simply doesn't work. Without a xmpp server, you'll have a field day getting any kind of collaboration to work, and even with a really carefully setup ejabbberd server full of optimisations, I at least, have not been able to get the presence part to reliably do the same thing every time. Some times people show up, sometimes they dont sometimes 10 minutes later, sometimes with totally weird settings and names Its quite clear to me that what may have worked ok in 0.82, now does not. And to me that makes total sense, if u look at the timeline, the code, the blueprints, and most importantly, the actualised telepathy dbus bindings (The presence part has changed completely and looks nothing like it did when 0.82 and earlier were coded.) But dont take my word for it, take a look here and you'll see what I mean: http://people.collabora.co.uk/~danni/telepathy-book/chapter.accounts.html kind regards, David Van Assche On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: moving to mission control 5 and letting go of the admittedly antiquated sugar presence now In planning future work in rpesence and collab stuff, I have a small, humble suggestion. Figuring out if a presence service / collab infra works and scales properly on both wired and wireless networks is hard. Very hard. We've been gotten it wrong several times by looking at the theory (instead of hard-nosed testing). Right now we have something that -- while less than ideal -- at least works for a number of scenarios. If you play with a major component replacement - test it for scalability stability over wifi before doing a lot of integration work - do the integr work on a branch - test that the integrated thing works stable and scalable Of course that's ideal world stuff. However, the heart of the matter is: approach mission control tentatively... and at least _some_ significant testing needs to happen before it's merged... We've gotten this wrong a few times -- I am not keen on repeating the adventures... :-/ m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff -- Stephen Leacock - I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall some day die, which is not so. - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html -- Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach - Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Mesh
The telepathy-salut connection works on the basis of Avahi (sometimes called Bonjour) Sometimes also called local-xmpp, and telepathy itself creates the connections by selecting the connection manager via Mission control through a dbus method called RequestConnection Salut is kind of an untrusted protocol,in that it doesnt require a password, like gabble does. Makes it great for ease of use for schools. For example, Guadalinex-edu has a small app that puts users into groups by creating local link Multi user chatrooms (teacher creates these) and students then join their relevant classroom from a selection of classrooms/subjects. The association to the MUC then allows for lots of cool telepathy/xmpp stuff, like transmission of configuration files, pause,play video/ausio files, switching on/off of certain software automatically, dtube remote control (teacher can powerdown laptops, lower voume remotely, lots of other remote control stuff) Dtubes are really quite awsome, we just haven't thought about all the possible uses yet. Telepathy itself could use pretty much any connection manager, though the XOs are limited to using gabble when there is a jabber server present, and Salut if not. The actual mesh connection is done on a hardware level though and is totally unique to the XO as in no other laptop that I know of has working mesh network capable cards. I think maybe classmate has capable meshing on some level but its not really switched on. Unfortunately its meshing suffers from uncontrolled multicasting, which quickly saturates the the airwaves and brings down communication with 10+ laptops meshing. It's a cool concept though but realistically the implementation isn't all that great... not that I'm saying I could do any better at all :-) Just stating some observations... kind Regards, David Van Assche On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Cecilia Abalde wrote: I think I understood salut ytelepathy gabble telepathy. My question now is: to salut telepathy works there must be some established network? for example a mesh network or a wifi network Yes. All of the Telepathy protocols require that there be a working local network connection. They operate on top of a network such as wired ethernet, wifi, or mesh. Of course, the interesting thing about mesh networks (and also ad hoc networks) is that they are very easy to create, because all you need are the laptops. --Ben ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Samuel Goldwyn - I'm willing to admit that I may not always be right, but I am never wrong. - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_goldwyn.html ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Volunteer Opportunity
Mor than the hardware or whether its using a wlan/jabber or even mesh networking, there are serious underlying problems with collaboration itself, and my belief is they are in the sugar presence module, though I could be wrong. Under gnome, mission control 5 is responsible for doing presence stuff, connections with whathever connetion manager is wanted, and initial chat inititiation or much creation... from there other parts of telepathy get involved, though in general its just telepathy that does all the stuff, and from where the dtubes get involved with the sharing, the problems seem to stop. That is to say, once a connection has been established between one ore more other parties, the ride is smooth, the connection stays up and the collaboration is quite fast and reliable... Its what happens before this that causes many issues... The detecting of shared activities, users, intitiating connections, etc. My suggestion was to get rid of sugar presence and go the gnome/kde way and directly use telepathy's mission control 5, which in my experience works very well. I've done some initial testing, got some python scripts that do the creation, detecting of users, creation of local link mucs, etc... and it all seems to work smoothly, though I've done non of this in the sugar environment. If you do take this on, I'd be more than happy to help as telepathy itself fascinates me, and I've studied the dbus bindings themselves quite extensively. Empathy, which is built on telepathy seems to work quite flawlessly too, as do many of the chat clients and other apps used in maemo/neo freerunner/android Abiword, inkscape and several gnome game apps use telepathy without issues too (sudoku and tic tac toe come to mind) but I'm by no means a python or C guru, and have trouble with exactly how everything works... A lot of the code seems quite complex and I have difficulty following it, my own code for stuff being duplication of what already exists out there, and I'd love to be able to have more knowledge to be able to do more pure collaboration (All the code involved up to the dtube stage and then the use of the remote dbus bindings for programs, presumably, one would have to crate these remote dbus bindings too, another part of all this I'm unsure about) But yeah... for me sugar presence should be migrated to mission control 5 and I'd bet we'd see a lot of problems just dissapear... kind regards, David Van Assche On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:36 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 6 Nov 2009, at 22:03, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 12:17:32PM -0800, Edward Cherlin wrote: My experience is that the problems with Collaboration are basic problems with mesh networking, presumably in hardware, drivers, and protocols. While I can't (and won't) rule out the local network links (i.e. WLAN in whatever mode), I'm usually connected to a Jabber server using wired networks; still Collaboration doesn't work reliably. +1 I occasionally run test sessions of 4-6 VM Sugar clients using Salut on an internal network (VM simulated, never touching wire/wireless) and even basic buddy presence often borks out after ~20min of use. The usual fail case is that one client stops seeing all others, but all others always pretend to see the missing client (even if it is really not there). The only resolution is to reboot all VM clients and hope they all can see each other for a while longer. The often mentioned 'it's poor wireless' may well be an issue in some cases, but it's certainly not the main one I see when testing collaboration, I dread to think what a class of 30 kids would see if collaboration was needed as a core part of a 40min lesson. Unfortunately I'm out of my depth on making much head way in pin pointing the issues (at one point I even started thinking it was dbus intermittently dropping messages). Regards, --Gary CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Ted Turner http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/ted_turner.html - Sports is like a war without the killing. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the Chat/collab leader issue...
Hi, So I was looking over the code with some of the #telepathy guys who are also under the impression that sugar.presence code could be causing many of the collab problems. Main issue is redundancy of code... a lot of what is happening in sugar.presence already happens in telepathy (actually there are even comments in sugar.presence code stating this) but until we know to what level activities are using sugar.presence, we can't really do anything... since activities would break, I guess we'd need to know what in the sugar.presence modules is being really actively used to migrate to MC 5... and give a warning or something, or keep some kind of sym links to the old functions... I dunno, kinda above my level of expertise... regards, David van Assche On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 13:16, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: moving to mission control 5 and letting go of the admittedly antiquated sugar presence now ... If you play with a major component replacement - test it for scalability stability over wifi before doing a lot of integration work It's worth noting that moving from the Sugar Presence Service to Mission Control 5 would not alter our network protocols. This is purely a change in how the client software is organized. Neither regression nor improvement in wireless network performance should occur. Was about to say this, the work means making sugar activities' code more similar to GNOME apps, while also removing a daemon. This could have some effect on how the network is used, but chances are it won't. As a first step in removing the PS, I think we should try to implement the python presence API with MC5 instead of PS. Then we can either drop the PS or make it a compatibility shim with MC5 while activities such as eToys make the move. We can also take the chance to develop a better API if there's need for it. But in any case, we need to do some exploration now before we can discuss it in detail. Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Marie von Ebner-Eschenbachhttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html - Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the Chat/collab leader issue...
One area I'm a little unsure about is the network connectivity (ie, how sugar presence interfaces with sugar presence service backend. Presumably it just uses NM and launched telepathy's RequiredConnection dbus pythong binding. What's interesting, reading over the developer's manual is that there are 3 ways of pretty much automating connection and presence, on demand, automatically, and on request. The difference is not entirely obvious immediately, but it does show that what sugar presence is currently doing could be done much more easily, and probably more efficiently by telepathy directly. It would also open up better mnagament of VOIP, multi cast video (via libjingle) and the use of other connection managers (I dont know if this is really needed or wanted, but the possibility is there) The question now, is where to start... I mean... are we going to redo all of sugar.presence and sugar presence service, and let telepathy handle all/most of the connectivity/presence/collaboration? Right now, the only thing that is pure telepathy is the dtube collaboration, which to me is also the part that seems to work the best. So where to do we start, who is gonna volunteer to do this. I am volunteering to help, but a lot of it goes above my head. I know the theory quite well, but I'm afraid of touching a lot of that code kind regards, David Van Assche On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 17:40, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, So I was looking over the code with some of the #telepathy guys who are also under the impression that sugar.presence code could be causing many of the collab problems. Main issue is redundancy of code... a lot of what is happening in sugar.presence already happens in telepathy (actually there are even comments in sugar.presence code stating this) but until we know to what level activities are using sugar.presence, we can't really do anything... since activities would break, I guess we'd need to know what in the sugar.presence modules is being really actively used to migrate to MC 5... and give a warning or something, or keep some kind of sym links to the old functions... I dunno, kinda above my level of expertise... Yes, info about presence is duplicated in several places. Any bugs at each layer can cause the unreliability we see. Regards, Tomeu regards, David van Assche On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 13:16, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: moving to mission control 5 and letting go of the admittedly antiquated sugar presence now ... If you play with a major component replacement - test it for scalability stability over wifi before doing a lot of integration work It's worth noting that moving from the Sugar Presence Service to Mission Control 5 would not alter our network protocols. This is purely a change in how the client software is organized. Neither regression nor improvement in wireless network performance should occur. Was about to say this, the work means making sugar activities' code more similar to GNOME apps, while also removing a daemon. This could have some effect on how the network is used, but chances are it won't. As a first step in removing the PS, I think we should try to implement the python presence API with MC5 instead of PS. Then we can either drop the PS or make it a compatibility shim with MC5 while activities such as eToys make the move. We can also take the chance to develop a better API if there's need for it. But in any case, we need to do some exploration now before we can discuss it in detail. Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach - Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning -- Stephen Leacockhttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html - I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall some day die, which is not so. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] User workflow sharing Journal Entries over USB sticks
This all sounds like a great current solutinon, but shouldn't we be looking at more long term network ubquity solutions. It seems to be that having a telepathy backend and frontend would allow us to share files anty which wat inclydiung usb if that was desired. From my experience in schools, though they seem like god's gift at the beginning of the semester, teachers end up cursing the the things left right and center, through no fault of usb, but that of human error, where people forget/loose/haver them eaten by their pets, truly) sorry so to sounds so pessimisitc today, mybe fell out of the wrong side of the bed, David On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Filed it as http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9657 - can't find anything on And also related: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9658 about the impossibility of exchanging data between Sugar versions 0.82 and 0.84 This is rather awkward -- users cannot save their own files to a USB stick (pre upgrade) and expect them to work once upgraded. I don't expect all deployments will use olpc-update :-/ m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Charles de Gaullehttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/charles_de_gaulle.html - The better I get to know men, the more I find myself loving dogs. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] User workflow sharing Journal Entries over USB sticks
its true its an unecessary step in THIS particular scenario, but I'm thiking more of a universal tool we could rely on for our datar storage, and something like xmpp file sotrage XEP came to mind. IT contains rudeimentary autehntication, file storage per person or for mutiple people (ie a group like scenario) and probably fits via the d tube or x tube scenario I'm just saying that if we choose to use xmpp via technology as its main communicatinos framework we should really nmaximmize its usage. There is so much undiscovered potential there, so many possible ways of doing even the simplest of person to person communictaion, persence and sharing. I was not at ll suggesting that someone replace using USB base data sharing, but exploring ways in which in on exmple, u could open a dtube with telepathy between the 2 mechanisms, lets call them usb sticks for now, and transfer that way, set presence state, avtar, and any ohter cool sutff xmpp can do... I'm jus saying should we be exploring it? Daivd On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:55 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: inclydiung usb if that was desired Maybe your usb disk has a firmware smart enough to run telepathy :-) Not kidding, at least one of the bugs listed in SL's tracker about Journal Entry sharing would be fixed with the JEB-based approach I am proposing. And once the Journal can prepare a JEB, you just write it to the USB disk mountpoint. Telepathy in the middle is overengineering a bridge to get from the kitchen to the bedroom. I am happy to walk. In terms of use cases, saving to a USB disk allows for personal backups -- like before a complete upgrade / reflash, which is still used in many cases. You wouldn't use a system that didn't let you copy your files to a disk, would you? m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff -- Ted Turner http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/ted_turner.html - Sports is like a war without the killing. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] User workflow sharing Journal Entries over USB sticks
and storing images in Base64 for example? David On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: IMHO separating the meta-data from the file itself is a good idea. Having one database at the root of the stick is just too fragile. Better store meta data next to the file in question, like myimage.jpg and myimage.journalentry? Good point, and the solution you suggest seems good to me too. Unless Sugar has another mechanism already that should be kicking in, and for some reason is not working...? m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Marie von Ebner-Eschenbachhttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html - Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Roadmap to 0.88 --- Proposal
Well, most other distros do it... its a great way (only way I can think of) of showing what's going to be included in the future, but just not recommened to be runnning in a production environment. In any case, right now, most locations are pilots that benefit from seeing what's coming up... kinid Reards, David Van assche On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote: - Testing: I hope to see much much more testing in this release cycle. Two things should help here: a) I encourage the creation of a testing team. b) The 0.88 release will be packaged early. For testing purposes 0.88 will be packaged for F12. Other distributions are encouraged to do similar. Do you really want to package an unstable release (for testing purpose) into a stable distribution? Some people might actually be using the stable distribution, and they might not be really pleased by having some work-in-progress-please-test release forced upon them. :-/ Unless you're talking about packaging 0.88 for F12 but not actually pushing it to the stable repository? -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Pablo Picassohttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html - Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] discovering open clip art library
yeah its carried as standard in most distributions and installed, at least in then schools I've been to, and connected directly to software packages like open office and inkscape. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 20:12, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: The describtion of their dms is also so short that I'm not sure what to make of it? there are a lot of notes farther down the page But the top of the page clearly says that the section is deprecated. Also the information that is there doesn't contain enough beef for me to understand whether the solution meets our requirements. Plus it doesn't look like it's available anywhere... Take a look at the openclipart package in Ubuntu, and presumably in other distros. The Open Clip Art Library is a collection of 100% license-free, royalty-free, and restriction-free art that you can use for any purpose. Or at these. http://www.freebyte.com/clipart_images_photos_icons/ Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://www.earthtreasury.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Ogden Nash http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/ogden_nash.html - The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] multiple IM accounts
Problem 2 doesn't seem to be a problem of telepathy, as it can handle concurrent connections just fine. It would be nice if Sugar could do the same. This would mean problem 1 stops being important. If there is some limitation within sugar that forces it to use just one connection, a dialogue asking for a changeover to the other protocol seems like the only thing I can think of. kind regards, David Van Assche On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: Hi all, as part of the effort to make Sugar a more normal Telepathy client, Sugar should become able to deal with more than one IM account active concurrently. Up to now, Sugar's Presence Service will enable the Avahi-based one, then disable it if a connection to a Jabber server was successful. This will make easier for Sugar users to be able to interact with people using GNOME or other desktops. This raises two problems: - the same people could appear 2 times. We can fix it up to some point by announcing our JID in Avahi, then merging contacts in the UI layer. - we cannot invite a link-local contact to an activity being shared through a jabber server, nor a jabber contact to an activity shared through another server (without federation). The first is not such a big deal, but the second will require careful thought about how we expose this limitation to users. Any ideas? Thanks, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] New IRC bot
funny, I offered and set this up about a year ago, and my bot got banned from the channel because people were paranoid their conversations were being recorded... (grin/lol) D On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 2:57 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: Hi all, FIY, To keep IRC logs, I've setup IRC bot - supybot[1]. It supports many useful plugins[2] including meetings (so, we can replace meetbot with more powerful one). Full irc logs and meeting logs will be stored on [4] (each channel has link to meetings page). [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/supybot/ [2] http://ubottu.com/stdin/supydocs/plugins.html [3] http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html [4] http://jita.sugarlabs.org/ -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] [AC Update] We are what we do.
The more info the better... information shouldn't kill people. (read shouldn't) David Van Assche On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:05 AM, NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu wrote: About pane has a psychological effect, it provides recognition and maybe a sense of ownership for developers and mantainers. I will propose it on sugar-devel and the HIG once I've implemented a design. Also it gives a starting point for eventually getting involved in the development and improvement of each activity. The idea of an About dialog (or menu) already came up on sugar-devel, not long ago. IIRC, Gary Martin was quite opposed to increasing UI clutter with non-essential information. Perhaps we could still define a few meta-tags for activity.info and _not_ display them in the UI at all? They would still be easy to find for developers. You can show this info in view source mode and in the journal. Or perhaps in the Detail View in the Journal, where we already show things like mime-type? And perhaps we could even add the ability to launch Browse from the Detail View to go to the activity's homepage? -walter ___ Dextrose mailing list dextr...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/dextrose -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar] Anly approve and not handle channels in the shell, part of OLPC #10738
awsome stuff on all the telepathy related stuff... I'm no expert, but looks
like things became more homologised and is now used more in line with the
way empathy and others run under gnome to use telepathy... Maybe I'm reading
too much into this, but does this effectively mean that we can now
communicate with any telepathy based client on other systems from a sugar
based system?
Perhaps you could explain how this effects activity sharing across
activities on other oses (say chat client on gnome with sugar chat?)
kind regards,
David Van Assche
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote:
We only approve channels in the shell and do not claim to handle them
anymore. The handling is now done by the activity (toolkit patch).
More info about approving and handling of channels can be found at [1].
This patch does as well only handle sugar activity invitations, invitations
from non-sugar clients will be handled in a separate patch.
[1]
http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/doc/book/sect.channel-dispatcher.clients.html
Signed-off-by: Simon Schampijer si...@laptop.org
---
src/jarabe/model/telepathyclient.py | 21 -
1 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
diff --git a/src/jarabe/model/telepathyclient.py
b/src/jarabe/model/telepathyclient.py
index c6fbac1..cea8693 100644
--- a/src/jarabe/model/telepathyclient.py
+++ b/src/jarabe/model/telepathyclient.py
@@ -19,11 +19,16 @@ import logging
import dbus
from dbus import PROPERTIES_IFACE
from telepathy.interfaces import CLIENT, \
+ CHANNEL, \
+ CHANNEL_TYPE_TEXT, \
CLIENT_APPROVER, \
CLIENT_HANDLER, \
CLIENT_INTERFACE_REQUESTS
from telepathy.server import DBusProperties
+from telepathy.constants import CONNECTION_HANDLE_TYPE_CONTACT
+from telepathy.constants import CONNECTION_HANDLE_TYPE_ROOM
+
from sugar import dispatch
@@ -48,9 +53,6 @@ class TelepathyClient(dbus.service.Object,
DBusProperties):
self._implement_property_get(CLIENT, {
'Interfaces': lambda: list(self._interfaces),
})
-self._implement_property_get(CLIENT_HANDLER, {
-'HandlerChannelFilter': self.__get_filters_cb,
- })
self._implement_property_get(CLIENT_APPROVER, {
'ApproverChannelFilter': self.__get_filters_cb,
})
@@ -60,8 +62,17 @@ class TelepathyClient(dbus.service.Object,
DBusProperties):
def __get_filters_cb(self):
logging.debug('__get_filters_cb')
-filter_dict = dbus.Dictionary({}, signature='sv')
-return dbus.Array([filter_dict], signature='a{sv}')
+
+filt = {
+CHANNEL + '.ChannelType': CHANNEL_TYPE_TEXT,
+CHANNEL + '.TargetHandleType': CONNECTION_HANDLE_TYPE_ROOM,
+}
+filter_dict = dbus.Dictionary(filt, signature='sv')
+filters = dbus.Array([filter_dict], signature='a{sv}')
+
+logging.debug('__get_filters_cb %r', filters)
+
+return filters
@dbus.service.method(dbus_interface=CLIENT_HANDLER,
in_signature='ooa(oa{sv})aota{sv}',
out_signature='')
--
1.7.4
___
Sugar-devel mailing list
Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
___
Sugar-devel mailing list
Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Tux Paint - Save and new
Can it be ported to python? just a quesstion, maybe a stupid one David On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@activitycentral.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 09:12:31PM +, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote: This was the comments from an Uruguayab teacher.. I tell you why it is important for teachers to have the option within the program. When the teacher proposes to use will likely be to put together a sequence of something, having to close the program and reopen it for every film set, is somewhat cumbersome, especially with children in the early stages (initial, 1 and 2). Other: is very useful image file of the seals, especially when there are difficult to get them on the internet connection to be used in creating games of memory, for example, and any other proposal in which images are needed, especially if we consider that many of these are photos. Another advantage: the sheets are created within the program and open the option can be viewed all at once, allowing you to quickly eliminate those that do not serve us. Surely other teachers on the list you can add some more ... So, it's very good that can be saved in the journal and take pictures of him but would also be good to have the option to slide within the program. Last, I think what is more complicated obstacle of having to always open new business from home. Viewed from the standpoint of you, developers, avoid useless files Viewed from the perspective of teachers, we complicate our lives, we risk losing ongoing work in process if you do not remember to tell children marked start again when it comes to class assignments. It would be very interesting that we could ever make the proper connection and teacher developers to implement changes that are really useful for classroom use. I add another tip. My daughter draws very well and loves to draw. With 10 years I will not sit or Inkscape use The Gimp, I feel that use Tuxpaint. Okay, it's for his age, and really nice stuff out. But ups! draw something new means losing the previous job. Is that fair? No. No one uses a single sheet to draw, using multiple, and nobody thinks you delete a picture but perfect for another. It makes no sense. But I ask you a child has no right to be creative, draw a long and well? Why assume a priori that children draw more or less, to hang out and you're not cleared to occupy space? That is the other utility Tuxpaint slides. And please do not tell me that there is another program to do the same. Children are not graphic designers! They'll learn to use other programs. Resuming: she think that the slides view is necessary, maintenance the integration with the jounal... But make it is can be complicated, or not optimized function... A slow process: for each entry in the journal... if it's an image... scale to show.. show in the tuxpaint Tux Paint will behave like regular activity but preserving useful features like Load/New. I think that is good idea.. Another activitys have and dialog.. You can re-use it.. Like the Read activity... hehe, not sure. TuxPaint is written in C. Though, it is more a problem w/ time, I CCed Rafael who started something, afaik. If there are other people who can help w/ adding New/Open startup dialog (at the end, it shouldn't be hard, the dialog is already importanted in Tuxpaint, the only thing that is needed is popping it up on startup). -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Running sugar through PXE
Hi there, I've always been a serious advocate of runing sugar through pxe for a million reasons.. For a time I was employed for working on the maco managmenet side of sugar... ie distributing it... pxe... seemed obvious, fast, and incredibly tested. I am also one of the lead guys workiin on LTSP which turns any old computer into a thin client runninig the latest distro (ubuntu, fedora, and debian have done most work in that area) but its amazing stufff... u can run a thin client as just that, thin, using maybe 30mb ram, or fat 1 gig pllus... the server takes care of everything from whcih programs are being run, what machines and who are being monitored and of course the user DB, allowing a user to login froom anywher and get their desktop,, fat or thin, or anything in between It sounds a bit like profiling and its being used like that a bit, but there is also sabayon, which is a real visual profiler which is awsome, especially during exam times... In any case I've digressed. I wrote an article which is really aged now on nubae.com. I'll do an update using pinguyos as the base distro (as it just rocks almost as miuch as osx, if u like that kind of thing.) Anyway, the more recent articles with lots of engineering style writing is here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Dextrose/Server I was unfortunately unable to bring my monster to life, but fully intend to, when I have a momenta U'll find the sugar crowd oddly fearful of PXE and how much time it can save, not to mention the tons of broken disks and sticks but its a battle that will be won when proof of concept is shown at various points in time and space.. kind ragards, David Van Assche P.S. If you are game, I would love a co-driver on this... working it alone is boring, tiring, and somewhat unmotivated... On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Mathieu Jobin somek...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, I am new to sugar. I set it up so i can boot the image through PXE. The initial boot phase works. But it fails while trying to mount the root fs. On the live CD it is set as root=live:LABEL=iso-filename or something similar. But the CD is not in the drive. So that points no where. I tried set it up to root=/dev/null like the Slitaz distro is doing. A distro I am also booting through PXE. I tried setting up to mount a NFS share on the LAN. But root nfs doesn't seems supported. Before getting into rebuilding the Sugar image. I was wondering if there is something that could work out of the box? Thanks Sent from my Phone. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] Proxy Control Panel (Was: New Dextrose-3...)
Have you guys taken a look at total parent control... its an all in one gui
that controls dansguardian, firehol, and squid, and is maintained quite
heavily by many side projects apart from canonical:
https://launchpad.net/webcontentcontrol
Its worth a look
kind regards,
David van assche
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org
wrote:
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 20:14 +, Aleksey Lim wrote:
{...}
If someone had the time to work on UI cleanups, I'd prefer to see both
the Network and Modem control panels be replaced by options directly
associated with the objects they manipulate:
- a radio-off checkbox in the popup menu of the wifi device
While we are at it, I think a radio button is a better choice for
radio on/off instead of the check box. I have a hard time remembering
what happens when you check the box :-)
Sameer
I find the wording around the box contributes to uncertainty about its
action:
Wireless
Turn off the wireless radio to save battery life
□ Radio
Discard network history if you have
trouble connecting to the network
(Discard network history)
The 'Discard network history' button is always the affirmative action for
the preceding advisory. The 'Turn off' advisory for the Radio check box is
only similarly aligned when the box is checked (otherwise, one might wonder
does it 'Turn off' or 'Turn on' the radio).
--Fred
___
Sugar-devel mailing list
Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
___
Sugar-devel mailing list
Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] badges for collaborative activities
How much has been done in terms of centralising the collaborative aspects of applications by using the latest and greatest innovations to telepathy, which surely must by now have many many hooks to allow for the funkiest of ways to quickly and easily integrate collaborative sessions. I suppose the main problem is still finding the creative aspects of this, ie... what is the best way for students to share/collaborate an activity, and should that activity then even collaborate across activites with others. I took quite a stab at this a year or so ago, but got boggled down in the serious intricacies of telepathy and the way it fits with dbus and how to make the communication of elements be they on the same computer or across a network easy to understand with examples of implementation. The examples back when I was looking (tic tac toe was one) were so complex for such a simple application that it scared me away completely. I wanted to collaboratively create a quiz based app which would allow a class to take turns answering questions, and then the program could keep track of how well students where doing based on subject/timing/spelling, or whatever else the program was supposed to help students with. kind regards, David Van Assche On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:26 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: I was playing with Sugar collaboration between my XO-1.75 and my crazy-nephew's XO-1.5 over the weekend. We wanted to play together, but it was hard to find which activities would let us do so. What if we added a small badge (perhaps the ring of dots used to switch an activity from 'private' to 'shared') to activities on the home screen to indicate that they support collaboration? That would make it easy to tell which activities allow us to play together. --scott ps. Typing Turtle is a great new activity which I hadn't seen before -- but it doesn't support collaboration. What if we could play the balloon-popping game together, with the first person to type the word getting points for popping the balloon? -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] badges for collaborative activities
Yeah, I'm sorry if it came across that way, its just that I've got a sort of halted project which I really want to make collaborative, but am unsure how to move forward and include... I guess I was asking for some pointers towards really good documentation to make this a reality. kind regards, David On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:35 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: I'm trying not to open the can of worms which is how should we best implement collaboration. In this thread, let's just concentrate on how do we discover collaborative activities when we're playing with our friends? --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] badges for collaborative activities
Played with that, wasnt quite what I was looking for. It basically skins an app (lets say a gtk app) and makes it look like its a part of sugar... but it doesn't really gie u access to how the collaborative functions work... but its a good step for quickly porting apps to sugar sure kind regards, David On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: On 12/13/2011 01:37 PM, David Van Assche wrote: I've got a sort of halted project which I really want to make collaborative, but am unsure how to move forward and include... I guess I was asking for some pointers towards really good documentation to make this a reality. You might like http://bemasc.net/~bens/groupthink/ a library I wrote for Sugar-GSoC 2009 that (under some circumstances) makes it easier to write collaborative python activities. It's currently used by Pippy, Stopwatch, and possibly a few other things. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] badges for collaborative activities
you're right, confused the 2.. groupthink was indeed promising I was thinking about sugarize :-) I'll delve deeper into groupthink... IF I understand enough of it before it makes my head explode... kind regards, David On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: On 12/13/2011 01:57 PM, David Van Assche wrote: Played with that, wasnt quite what I was looking for. It basically skins an app (lets say a gtk app) and makes it look like its a part of sugar... but it doesn't really gie u access to how the collaborative functions work... Uhh, nope. Maybe you're thinking of Sugarize? (as documented on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Running_Linux_Applications_Under_Sugar) Groupthink is a python module for writing collaborative Activities. It works by providing data structures that automatically share themselves over the Tubes, synchronize their state, and even serialize to disk. No relation to Sugarize. --Ben ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting Journal entries off an XO at the end of a project?
The issue i see here is backing up work so its accesible to all oses not
just linux. Its definetly a fair point as most current edu projects are iOS
based,sadly... but such is the state of the world. Guess well have to wait
for android to make the visible change.
On Jan 17, 2012 12:39 PM, Sascha Silbe si...@activitycentral.com wrote:
Excerpts from Christoph Derndorfer's message of 2012-01-13 19:56:51 +0100:
(a) Have the pupils copy relevant files they want to keep to USB drives
via
the Journal or the Sugar commander Activity
(b) Ask them to favorite things they want to keep in the Journal and then
run a script that copies all of these entries to a USB drive or possibly
even a network share
Given that you're still running Sugar 0.82, one of these is probably the
best option (in addition to doing a full backup, as explained in my
previous mail).
Whether the data file is usable outside of Sugar (i.e. in a standard
format) depends on each activity.
Writing a script that dumps all data files of starred entries is pretty
straightforward if you borrow some functions from jarabe.journal.model
(= GPLv2+). You _will_ loose the metadata (description, tags, etc.) in
any case: Even when using the UI to write the files, the metadata isn't
in a format recognised by any other system.
The script would look something like this:
=== snip ===
#!/usr/bin/env python
# License: GPL version 3
import os
import shutil
from sugar import mime
from sugar.datastore import datastore
[copy get_file_name() and get_unique_file_name() from
src/jarabe/journal/model.py]
mount_point = '/media/CHERRY_TREE'
for entry in datastore.find({'keep': '1'})[0]:
title = entry.metadata.get('title') or 'Untitled'
mime_type = entry.metadata.get('mime_type')
target_name = get_unique_file_name(mount_point,
get_file_name(title, mime_type))
target_path = os.path.join(mount_point, target_name)
shutil.copyfile(entry.file_path, target_path)
entry.destroy()
=== snip ===
Untested on Sugar 0.82. Backup/Restore access the data store directly
via D-Bus rather than through sugar.datastore.datastore, so I don't know
if the API changed in subtle ways; a quick check confirmed that all of
the functions imported (not copied) above were available in Sugar
0.82.0.
Sascha
--
http://sascha.silbe.org/
http://www.infra-silbe.de/
___
Sugar-devel mailing list
Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
___
Sugar-devel mailing list
Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
