Re: Passion
Sorry Brent, for me your mail is not of good taste nor does it seem funny to me: 1. It contains no dialling problem 2. For me it looks, as if you would like to make fools of some of this list (I do not want to use a more rude word) I think this list was created for dialling problems and activities and in some questions of your mail I cannot see any dialling problem. But I think this would be fine for facebook. Helmut Sonderegger Am 30.07.2011 06:42, schrieb Brent: Hello again; I have noticed some of you are very passionate about sundials. I’m curious how far that passion goes. Do any of you plan to have a sundial on your gravestone? Do any of you plan to be buried with a sundial? Do any of you have a sundial tattoo? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
sundial read from moonlight
I heard that a sundial will read the correct time with the shadow on the moon on a certain day. (full moon?) -- Cheers Donald 0423 102 090 This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. Un-authorized use of this email is subject to penalty of law. So there! --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Passion - Shall we change this to End of Life Plans?
Over the last two weeks, I have given a little thought to having my parent's tombstone modified to include a sundial. It faces East and a few designs would look nice. (I have also spent several hours reading about cutting in stone that John Carmichael and others have so interestingly promoted.) On the appropriateness of the topic: Our minister gave a service one time on death. The focus was on making plans, not on the afterlife. She made a planning form available. It included hymns for a memorial service and other wishes. Some in the congregation thought it was inappropriate and some thought it practical. No one thought it was funny. Well she gave a few culturally used synonyms for death like, kick the bucket, sell the farm etc. that drew a few chuckles. With many different cultures represented on this list and the limits of expression in the written word, reading the list requires that we not make hasty assumptions about others intentions. I interpreted the questions below to be about personal plans and actions resulting from our unique interest. I assume the best of intentions unless proven otherwise with expanded discussion. The question of what to do with an accumulation of sundial items is a good one. Some items have value only to a few people. Since I plan to be cremated, I don't really want a dialing item to be destroyed. I mentioned this question very briefly at a NASS meeting either last year or the year before. I don't recall the outcome. I do plan to leave my intentions with my wife or children including the desire to sent some of the items to NASS to be given away in the silent auction. Are there other plans that others would share on the list? No tattoos for me. I have more than enough distinguishing marks on my body already and none are tattoos. Warren Thom (42 N, 89 W) Do any of you plan to have a sundial on your gravestone? Do any of you plan to be buried with a sundial? Do any of you have a sundial tattoo? -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Passion
Hello Helmut; Actually if you google sundial gravestone you will see lots of them. I thought it was fair topic to discuss. Sorry if I offended anyone, none was intended. brent On 7/30/2011 1:17 AM, Helmut Sonderegger (Tele2) wrote: Sorry Brent, for me your mail is not of good taste nor does it seem funny to me: 1. It contains no dialling problem 2. For me it looks, as if you would like to make fools of some of this list (I do not want to use a more rude word) I think this list was created for dialling problems and activities and in some questions of your mail I cannot see any dialling problem. But I think this would be fine for facebook. Helmut Sonderegger Am 30.07.2011 06:42, schrieb Brent: Hello again; I have noticed some of you are very passionate about sundials. I’m curious how far that passion goes. Do any of you plan to have a sundial on your gravestone? Do any of you plan to be buried with a sundial? Do any of you have a sundial tattoo? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: Passion
I don't have a problem with the question. My father was buried with his favorite fishing pole. Most Catholics are buried with their Rosaries. I will be, as well. I will also have pictures of my family and, as my main passion is the Moon and the Space program, I have a large photograph of the Moon with many Astronaut autographs on it. my children will keep the original, but I have asked that a copy be made an put in the lid of my coffin. I have, also, asked that a sundial be incorporated onto my stone. Since I am learning to do them, I may design my own. Who knows. But I have time to do so. I would see no reason to be buried with a dial as there would be no sun but, for a builder, the plans or tools would be a good idea. A protractor, compass and such. A tattoo would be an odd idea as you must have far too many fixed reference points to make a sundial work. I disagree that it was a bad taste question. Lots of people have tombstone sundials. Ask away! Karon Adams Accredited Jewelry Professional (GIA) You can send a free Rosary to a soldier! www.facebook.com/MilitaryRosary www.YellowRibbonRosaries.com -Original Message- From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Brent Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 9:25 AM To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: Re: Passion Hello Helmut; Actually if you google sundial gravestone you will see lots of them. I thought it was fair topic to discuss. Sorry if I offended anyone, none was intended. brent On 7/30/2011 1:17 AM, Helmut Sonderegger (Tele2) wrote: Sorry Brent, for me your mail is not of good taste nor does it seem funny to me: 1. It contains no dialling problem 2. For me it looks, as if you would like to make fools of some of this list (I do not want to use a more rude word) I think this list was created for dialling problems and activities and in some questions of your mail I cannot see any dialling problem. But I think this would be fine for facebook. Helmut Sonderegger Am 30.07.2011 06:42, schrieb Brent: Hello again; I have noticed some of you are very passionate about sundials. I'm curious how far that passion goes. Do any of you plan to have a sundial on your gravestone? Do any of you plan to be buried with a sundial? Do any of you have a sundial tattoo? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: special events
Dear Frank, I must read your reference... I have a little book (A Manual of Modern Navigation by S. M. Burton, 1941) with a chapter on the particular case of very high altitudes. The more I think about this, the more snags I see. If I am very close to the sub-solar point, and I try sweeping the horizon, I am sure I would find that bits of ship got in my line of sight! With the sun zipping past the zenith I would be bound to miss the critical moment! I must clearly think some more :-) You add... On land I believe a theodolite can be used to give very accurate sun altitudes. Ah. Here I do have a tiny bit of experience and I hit another snag. Take a look at http://www.surveyequipment.com/total-stations You will see what modern instruments are like. They all have handles across the top which stop you looking close to the zenith. Even with a lowish-altitude sun there are snags. You can't (sensibly) look at the sun through the telescope without suitable precautions which require a special purchase. When you fix it all up you then find that the bottom part of the unit gets in the way. You can't get your eye near the eyepiece. Alas, I am definitely a theoretical navigator and surveyor rather than a practical one! Very best wishes Frank --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: sundial read from moonlight
Dear Donald, One can use the moon's shadow as long as it is distinguishable at night, say, one week either side of full moon. For an example, see: http://www.fransmaes.nl/genk/welcome-e.htm, choose menu item 7 and scroll down in the right-hand frame to The moon dial. Best regards, Frans Maes On 30-7-2011 10:23, Donald Christensen wrote: I heard that a sundial will read the correct time with the shadow on the moon on a certain day. (full moon?) --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Relgion and sundials
While everyone has their private religious views I believe they should use other forums to collect religious objects and/or suggest religious activities directed to for example military personal. What may appear innocent or benign to some may be offensive to people who follow a different belief system. a private belief system or no religious system at all. This is after all a sundial forum and list. It is a great idea that should not be compromised to support or attack religious ideas. Bill O'Neill Holland PA, USA --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Graphic representations
Sorry but I made a mistake and deleated the excellent article that showed the different types of sundials, polar, equatorial, declined. Would some kind soul repeat it on this list. Thanks, Bill O'Neill Holland, PA USA--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Relgion and sundials
Bill: I appreciate your and Helmut's comments. I, too, believe it best to save this forum for dialing problems and activities. Helmut's observation, ... in some questions of your mail I cannot see any dialling problem suggests a filter we might all apply when we think to post to this forum. Cheers, Tom Egan 33.642 N, 117.943W On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Bill O'Neill bon4rea...@verizon.netwrote: ** While everyone has their private religious views I believe they should use other forums to collect religious objects and/or suggest religious activities directed to for example military personal. What may appear innocent or benign to some may be offensive to people who follow a different belief system. a private belief system or no religious system at all. This is after all a sundial forum and list. It is a great idea that should not be compromised to support or attack religious ideas. Bill O'Neill Holland PA, USA --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Test: ignore
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Re: Passion
Hello again; Here is a touching private response from Julie that I am sharing with her permission: Brent Your topic also got me to thinking. My husband, David, maker of the Aten Heliochronometer, passed away Sept. 2010. He was cremated and sits near me on our sideboard. I have been struggling with an idea for a fitting container for him. He had so very many interests, you see. He completed his final heliochronometer in a beautiful rose-colored brass a few weeks before a sudden and unexpected death. What a more fitting container than a copper or brass box with his last creation mounted on the lid! Your topic was far from offensive, in fact, I want to thank you for giving me an excellent idea for a most fitting (and tasteful) means of keeping him with me. Sincerely Julie Gard On 7/30/2011 6:24 AM, Brent wrote: Hello Helmut; Actually if you google sundial gravestone you will see lots of them. I thought it was fair topic to discuss. Sorry if I offended anyone, none was intended. brent On 7/30/2011 1:17 AM, Helmut Sonderegger (Tele2) wrote: Sorry Brent, for me your mail is not of good taste nor does it seem funny to me: 1. It contains no dialling problem 2. For me it looks, as if you would like to make fools of some of this list (I do not want to use a more rude word) I think this list was created for dialling problems and activities and in some questions of your mail I cannot see any dialling problem. But I think this would be fine for facebook. Helmut Sonderegger Am 30.07.2011 06:42, schrieb Brent: Hello again; I have noticed some of you are very passionate about sundials. I’m curious how far that passion goes. Do any of you plan to have a sundial on your gravestone? Do any of you plan to be buried with a sundial? Do any of you have a sundial tattoo? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Passion
Hi Karon; Actually some people do have sundial tattoos. http://www.jamieleeparker.com/gallery/sundial.php http://thanksrick.blogspot.com/2009/10/showing-world.html brent On 7/30/2011 7:05 AM, karon wrote: I don't have a problem with the question. My father was buried with his favorite fishing pole. Most Catholics are buried with their Rosaries. I will be, as well. I will also have pictures of my family and, as my main passion is the Moon and the Space program, I have a large photograph of the Moon with many Astronaut autographs on it. my children will keep the original, but I have asked that a copy be made an put in the lid of my coffin. I have, also, asked that a sundial be incorporated onto my stone. Since I am learning to do them, I may design my own. Who knows. But I have time to do so. I would see no reason to be buried with a dial as there would be no sun but, for a builder, the plans or tools would be a good idea. A protractor, compass and such. A tattoo would be an odd idea as you must have far too many fixed reference points to make a sundial work. I disagree that it was a bad taste question. Lots of people have tombstone sundials. Ask away! Karon Adams Accredited Jewelry Professional (GIA) You can send a free Rosary to a soldier! www.facebook.com/MilitaryRosary www.YellowRibbonRosaries.com -Original Message- From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Brent Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 9:25 AM To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: Re: Passion Hello Helmut; Actually if you google sundial gravestone you will see lots of them. I thought it was fair topic to discuss. Sorry if I offended anyone, none was intended. brent On 7/30/2011 1:17 AM, Helmut Sonderegger (Tele2) wrote: Sorry Brent, for me your mail is not of good taste nor does it seem funny to me: 1. It contains no dialling problem 2. For me it looks, as if you would like to make fools of some of this list (I do not want to use a more rude word) I think this list was created for dialling problems and activities and in some questions of your mail I cannot see any dialling problem. But I think this would be fine for facebook. Helmut Sonderegger Am 30.07.2011 06:42, schrieb Brent: Hello again; I have noticed some of you are very passionate about sundials. I'm curious how far that passion goes. Do any of you plan to have a sundial on your gravestone? Do any of you plan to be buried with a sundial? Do any of you have a sundial tattoo? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Passion
Very likely No No! And I also feel this was a perfectly reasonable posting. To add an appropriate dialing problem, consider what type of dial would be most practical. Not many modern graveyards (in the US, I should say) have the flat concrete slab grave cover, so a horizontal is not the best. A slightly reclining vertical dial is most likely to fit in, like the recently posted Polish headstone. But there's that missing gnomon to consider. I've been thinking of a cross dial as a deep 3D structure (as if built of cubes), with the edges casting shadows on the lower faces, marked with deeply engraved hour lines. The biggest problems I see with the idea is that it cannot be vertical AND simple in shape, and the overall problem of getting the park to install It properly aligned. Dave Sent from my iPhone On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:42 PM, Brent bren...@verizon.net wrote: Hello again; I have noticed some of you are very passionate about sundials. I’m curious how far that passion goes. Do any of you plan to have a sundial on your gravestone? Do any of you plan to be buried with a sundial? Do any of you have a sundial tattoo? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Passion
Here is a sundial that works at night that was found in King Tuts tomb. http://serostar.com/cosmic/gallery.php#11715 This looks like a very interesting device. Has anyone ever used one? Anyone know how to use one? thanks; brent On 7/29/2011 9:42 PM, Brent wrote: Hello again; I have noticed some of you are very passionate about sundials. I’m curious how far that passion goes. Do any of you plan to have a sundial on your gravestone? Do any of you plan to be buried with a sundial? Do any of you have a sundial tattoo? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: Passion
That first one is impressive! At first, I thought the person was wearing some sort of piercing for the gnomon! I love the look of a well executed tattoo but I don't think I could ever bring myself to make a decision on one for myself. I cannot imagine what I would want engraved on my person for the rest of my life or how it might wear. What was cool when I was a teenager is just strange, todayG can you imagine a tattoo of, say, a disco ball? And it is forever! And how will it look when I am 80 and wrinkled? I admire those who can make a great choice and those who can artistically execute a great tattoo but I cannot imagine myself ever having one! Karon Adams Accredited Jewelry Professional (GIA) You can send a free Rosary to a soldier! www.facebook.com/MilitaryRosary www.YellowRibbonRosaries.com -Original Message- From: Brent [mailto:bren...@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 4:46 PM To: ka...@karonadams.com Cc: sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: Re: Passion Hi Karon; Actually some people do have sundial tattoos. http://www.jamieleeparker.com/gallery/sundial.php http://thanksrick.blogspot.com/2009/10/showing-world.html brent On 7/30/2011 7:05 AM, karon wrote: I don't have a problem with the question. My father was buried with his favorite fishing pole. Most Catholics are buried with their Rosaries. I will be, as well. I will also have pictures of my family and, as my main passion is the Moon and the Space program, I have a large photograph of the Moon with many Astronaut autographs on it. my children will keep the original, but I have asked that a copy be made an put in the lid of my coffin. I have, also, asked that a sundial be incorporated onto my stone. Since I am learning to do them, I may design my own. Who knows. But I have time to do so. I would see no reason to be buried with a dial as there would be no sun but, for a builder, the plans or tools would be a good idea. A protractor, compass and such. A tattoo would be an odd idea as you must have far too many fixed reference points to make a sundial work. I disagree that it was a bad taste question. Lots of people have tombstone sundials. Ask away! Karon Adams Accredited Jewelry Professional (GIA) You can send a free Rosary to a soldier! www.facebook.com/MilitaryRosary www.YellowRibbonRosaries.com -Original Message- From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Brent Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 9:25 AM To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: Re: Passion Hello Helmut; Actually if you google sundial gravestone you will see lots of them. I thought it was fair topic to discuss. Sorry if I offended anyone, none was intended. brent On 7/30/2011 1:17 AM, Helmut Sonderegger (Tele2) wrote: Sorry Brent, for me your mail is not of good taste nor does it seem funny to me: 1. It contains no dialling problem 2. For me it looks, as if you would like to make fools of some of this list (I do not want to use a more rude word) I think this list was created for dialling problems and activities and in some questions of your mail I cannot see any dialling problem. But I think this would be fine for facebook. Helmut Sonderegger Am 30.07.2011 06:42, schrieb Brent: Hello again; I have noticed some of you are very passionate about sundials. I'm curious how far that passion goes. Do any of you plan to have a sundial on your gravestone? Do any of you plan to be buried with a sundial? Do any of you have a sundial tattoo? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: Passion
It is a merkhet and I have used one. It is for use at night with stars crossing rhe meridian. Sara From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Brent [bren...@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:30 PM To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: Re: Passion Here is a sundial that works at night that was found in King Tuts tomb. http://serostar.com/cosmic/gallery.php#11715 This looks like a very interesting device. Has anyone ever used one? Anyone know how to use one? thanks; brent On 7/29/2011 9:42 PM, Brent wrote: Hello again; I have noticed some of you are very passionate about sundials. I’m curious how far that passion goes. Do any of you plan to have a sundial on your gravestone? Do any of you plan to be buried with a sundial? Do any of you have a sundial tattoo? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Memorial Sundials
FYI the Waugh book, Sundials their theory and construction devotes chapter 18 to various forms of Memorial Sundials for headstones. Karon Adams Accredited Jewelry Professional (GIA) You can send a free Rosary to a soldier! www.facebook.com/MilitaryRosary www.YellowRibbonRosaries.com --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: sundial read from moonlight
Sorry I wasn't very clear with my question. I'd like to know how to read a horizontal sundial in the moonlight. I wish I could find the artical that I read on it. I'm going by memory so this is probably wrong but it went something like this: On a full moon, a horizontal dial reads correct. For each day after a full moon, 43 minutes must be addet to the time. Likewise, for each day before a full moon, 43 minutes must be subtracted to the time. On 7/31/11, Frans W. Maes f.w.m...@rug.nl wrote: Dear Donald, One can use the moon's shadow as long as it is distinguishable at night, say, one week either side of full moon. For an example, see: http://www.fransmaes.nl/genk/welcome-e.htm, choose menu item 7 and scroll down in the right-hand frame to The moon dial. Best regards, Frans Maes On 30-7-2011 10:23, Donald Christensen wrote: I heard that a sundial will read the correct time with the shadow on the moon on a certain day. (full moon?) -- Cheers Donald 0423 102 090 This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. Un-authorized use of this email is subject to penalty of law. So there! --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
