RE: From Mexico with love...

2012-02-12 Thread Dave Bell
Beautiful rooms and concepts, Ruben! A wonderful teaching facility.
Your low latitude is certainly a help in fitting these dial displays to an
interior.

After viewing your pages, I once again looked at my living room with an eye
towards a noon line, as I have a roof window well situated near the South
wall, but due to its height (just over 10 feet) and my latitude (37.3°), the
resulting analemma doesn't fit the living room at all. It's too far from the
South wall in Summer, and extends well past the open floor space in Winter.

However, it did get me to thinking again, and doing some calculations.
If I designed the line for a more southern location, say 9° North, the total
length of the analemma was much shorter, and the Summer end would extend
South of the ceiling hole, quite close to my South wall.

Moving my home 28° to the South isn't very practical, but it occurred to me
that I could introduce a deviation in the incoming rays, and accomplish the
same result! I thought of a prism, but the geometry isn't very good; finding
the right prism (apex angle and refractive index) would be difficult and/or
expensive, and I would have to deal with chromatic dispersion, as well. But
a pair of mirrors, even first-surface mirrors, is much easier. If the first
mirror (to the north of center) was blacked-out, with a small, pinhole
reflective aperture, inclined vertically or slightly to the North, its
reflected beam could fall on the second, larger, flat a few inches to the
south, inclined 14° more to the north. The 14° apex angle of the pair would
introduce a 28° deviation towards the south, independent of the exact
inclination of the pair. (They would have to be accurately aligned
East-West, of course.)

Any inaccuracies in mirror angles and orientation would be hard to allow for
in  plotting the Noon analemma, but I could always fall back on the ancient
empirical method of driving a tack at 12:00 local solar time, once a week!

Something a little like the ASCII sketch below.
Assume the light enters from above and to the right...

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Dave

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On Behalf Of ruben nohuitol

Hi friends, please look my cosmic room, 
my page is www.ruben.mx


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Re: From Mexico with love... Should we use a different title in the subject line?????

2012-02-12 Thread R Wall ML emails

Hi all,

Would it be better if a different title in the subject line is used.

I almost deleted the your email without reading it. Others may have deleted 
it without reading it.


Roderick.

-Original Message- 
From: Dave Bell

Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Subject: RE: From Mexico with love...

Beautiful rooms and concepts, Ruben! A wonderful teaching facility.
Your low latitude is certainly a help in fitting these dial displays to an
interior.

After viewing your pages, I once again looked at my living room with an eye
towards a noon line, as I have a roof window well situated near the South
wall, but due to its height (just over 10 feet) and my latitude (37.3°), the
resulting analemma doesn't fit the living room at all. It's too far from the
South wall in Summer, and extends well past the open floor space in Winter.

However, it did get me to thinking again, and doing some calculations.
If I designed the line for a more southern location, say 9° North, the total
length of the analemma was much shorter, and the Summer end would extend
South of the ceiling hole, quite close to my South wall.

Moving my home 28° to the South isn't very practical, but it occurred to me
that I could introduce a deviation in the incoming rays, and accomplish the
same result! I thought of a prism, but the geometry isn't very good; finding
the right prism (apex angle and refractive index) would be difficult and/or
expensive, and I would have to deal with chromatic dispersion, as well. But
a pair of mirrors, even first-surface mirrors, is much easier. If the first
mirror (to the north of center) was blacked-out, with a small, pinhole
reflective aperture, inclined vertically or slightly to the North, its
reflected beam could fall on the second, larger, flat a few inches to the
south, inclined 14° more to the north. The 14° apex angle of the pair would
introduce a 28° deviation towards the south, independent of the exact
inclination of the pair. (They would have to be accurately aligned
East-West, of course.)

Any inaccuracies in mirror angles and orientation would be hard to allow for
in  plotting the Noon analemma, but I could always fall back on the ancient
empirical method of driving a tack at 12:00 local solar time, once a week!

Something a little like the ASCII sketch below.
Assume the light enters from above and to the right...

|
|\
| \
  \
   \

Dave

-Original Message-
On Behalf Of ruben nohuitol

Hi friends, please look my cosmic room,
my page is www.ruben.mx


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Re: From Mexico with love... Should we use a different title in the subject line?????

2012-02-12 Thread Yan Seiner

R Wall ML emails wrote:

Hi all,

Would it be better if a different title in the subject line is used.

I almost deleted the your email without reading it. Others may have 
deleted it without reading it.

+1

Please use descriptive non-generic subject lines.  I get 2000+ spam
emails/day; most (99+%) get caught but enough still get through that I'm
pretty quick on the delete button.

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Negative sundial in Mexico, Cuarto Cosmico

2012-02-12 Thread ruben nohuitol
Hi friends, please look my cosmic room, we are acually buildind other two 
identicals to conect them by web cams in a page where people can see the 
diferences between latitud and longitud places, nobody will be more happy than 
me if you get the idea and make somo other cosmic room in your place, there are 
in my page free blueprints in autocad and sketchup..., also have in my page 
another cosmic novels, please enjoy

my page is www.ruben.mx

Thank you, 

Ruben Nohuitol
Queretaro, Mexico

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Re: From Mexico with love...

2012-02-12 Thread Roger Bailey
These days it is wise to wait before clicking on an unknown link. Yes, we 
may miss some gems but let's wait until Mikey tastes it. If Mikey likes it 
then indulge.  Thanks Mikey or whoever for confirming this link.  Thanks 
Ruben for the link. It is good to see fresh information on this list.


Regards, Roger Bailey

ps. Mikey likes it was a major TV commercial on a breakfast cereal in the 
US. Even I know Mikey lives.


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From: ruben nohuitol nohui...@hotmail.com
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 11:28 AM
To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Subject: From Mexico with love...

Hi friends, please look my cosmic room, we are acually buildind other two 
identicals to conect them by web cams in a page where people can see the 
diferences between latitud and longitud places, nobody will be more happy 
than me if you get the idea and make somo other cosmic room in your place, 
there are in my page free blueprints in autocad and sketchup..., also have 
in my page another cosmic novels, please enjoy


my page is www.ruben.mx

Thank you,

Ruben Nohuitol
Queretaro, Mexico

www.ruben.mx
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