Where is true NORTH

[Reinhold Kriegler]

Title: Where is true NORTH


Dear sundial friends!

Where is true North? This is a question interesting to gnomonists who intend to build a well working sundial.

Today I have inserted a really interesting article of Carl Niemann into my Machu Picchu - Link:

Über die Ausrichtung 

prähistorischer Stätten 

nach dem Teotihuacan - Norden

Diplomingenieur Carl Niemann
23.10.2016

http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/sonnenuhren-aus-nah-und-fern/s-ue-d-a-m-e-r-i-k-a/p-e-r-u/machu-picchu.html 

You can open this PDF- article easily from my Machu-Picchu-Link!

Good wishes!
Reinhold Kriegler

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Reinhold R. Kriegler
Lat. 51,8390° N. Long. 12,25512° E. GMT +1 (DST +2)  www.ta-dip.de


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RE: Terms to describe markings on dials (or other objects)

[Peter Tandy]

What about "incised" ? My Collins dictionary says it is the process of cutting 
lines, patterns etc into a design



Peter Tandy


From: sundial [sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] on behalf of Willy Leenders 
[willy.leend...@telenet.be]
Sent: 28 October 2016 12:48
To: John Pickard
Cc: Sundial List
Subject: Re: Terms to describe markings on dials (or other objects)

In my language (Dutch) it is "een bobbel".

The translation of my dictionary in English:  'blob', 'bulge' or 'lump'.

Willy Leenders
Hasselt in Flanders (Belgium)

Visit my website about the sundials in the province of Limburg (Flanders) with 
a section 'worth knowing about sundials' (mostly in Dutch): 
http://www.wijzerweb.be






My dictionary says it is in English 'blob', 'bulge' or 'lump'.



Op 28-okt-2016, om 00:12 heeft John Pickard het volgende geschreven:

Good morning,

As part of my research on wire strainers (tools used to tighten wire in fences) 
I am struggling with trying to find some generic terms to describe the markings 
(patent numbers, part numbers and other information) on the tools.

My problem is that the markings are either "raised" (embossed) or "lowered" 
(engraved / stamped). The method of marking can be via casting, forging, or 
hand-stamping. What I am looking for is a generic term for the "lowered" 
markings. I have seen the word "debossed" as an antonym of "embossed", but it 
seems to be a neologism created specifically for this purpose.

I'm trying to avoid using "cast", "forged" or "stamped" as these terms are all 
about the method of marking, not about the form of the markings. And both cast 
and forged markings can be either raised or lowered. This is not just an issue 
for me and the wire strainers I'm working on. Zillions of objects in museums 
have markings that need to be described, but I've been unable to find a 
suitable term to include in the "restricted vocabulary" I am developing for my 
work.

I'm quite happy to use "raised" as a simple, clear and neutral (i.e. 
independent of the method or marking) term for any embossed markings, but I 
would welcome any suggestions for a similar generic term for markings that are 
below the surface. I've looked at various thesauri (pedant!), but so far I 
haven't found any terms that really works.



Cheers, John

John Pickard
john.pick...@bigpond.com

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Re: Terms to describe markings on dials (or other objects)

[Willy Leenders]

In my language (Dutch) it is "een bobbel".

The translation of my dictionary in English:  'blob', 'bulge' or 'lump'.

Willy Leenders
Hasselt in Flanders (Belgium)

Visit my website about the sundials in the province of Limburg (Flanders) with 
a section 'worth knowing about sundials' (mostly in Dutch): 
http://www.wijzerweb.be






My dictionary says it is in English 'blob', 'bulge' or 'lump'.



Op 28-okt-2016, om 00:12 heeft John Pickard het volgende geschreven:

> Good morning,
> 
> As part of my research on wire strainers (tools used to tighten wire in 
> fences) I am struggling with trying to find some generic terms to describe 
> the markings (patent numbers, part numbers and other information) on the 
> tools.
> 
> My problem is that the markings are either "raised" (embossed) or "lowered" 
> (engraved / stamped). The method of marking can be via casting, forging, or 
> hand-stamping. What I am looking for is a generic term for the "lowered" 
> markings. I have seen the word "debossed" as an antonym of "embossed", but it 
> seems to be a neologism created specifically for this purpose.
> 
> I'm trying to avoid using "cast", "forged" or "stamped" as these terms are 
> all about the method of marking, not about the form of the markings. And both 
> cast and forged markings can be either raised or lowered. This is not just an 
> issue for me and the wire strainers I'm working on. Zillions of objects in 
> museums have markings that need to be described, but I've been unable to find 
> a suitable term to include in the "restricted vocabulary" I am developing for 
> my work.
> 
> I'm quite happy to use "raised" as a simple, clear and neutral (i.e. 
> independent of the method or marking) term for any embossed markings, but I 
> would welcome any suggestions for a similar generic term for markings that 
> are below the surface. I've looked at various thesauri (pedant!), but so far 
> I haven't found any terms that really works.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers, John
> 
> John Pickard
> john.pick...@bigpond.com
> 
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FW: Time and Cosmos in Greco-Roman Antiquity

[Gent, R.H. van (Rob)]

Hi,

The following posting should also be of interest for the Sundial list.

rvg

-Original Message-
From: History of Astronomy Discussion Group [mailto:hastr...@listserv.wvu.edu] 
On Behalf Of Gent, R.H. van (Rob)
Sent: donderdag 27 oktober 2016 19:29
To: hastr...@listserv.wvu.edu
Subject: [HASTRO-L] Time and Cosmos in Greco-Roman Antiquity

Hi,

The following exhibition, accompanied with a lavishly illustrated catalogue, 
should be of interest to many Hastrolites:

  http://isaw.nyu.edu/exhibitions/time-cosmos

rvg
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Re: Terms to describe markings on dials (or other objects)

[Thibaud Taudin Chabot]

Recessed?
__
Th. Taudin Chabot



-- Origineel bericht --
Van: "John Pickard" 
Aan: "Sundial List" 
Verzonden: 28-10-2016 00:12:02
Onderwerp: Terms to describe markings on dials (or other objects)


Good morning,

As part of my research on wire strainers (tools used to tighten wire in 
fences) I am struggling with trying to find some generic terms to 
describe the markings (patent numbers, part numbers and other 
information) on the tools.


My problem is that the markings are either "raised" (embossed) or 
"lowered" (engraved / stamped). The method of marking can be via 
casting, forging, or hand-stamping. What I am looking for is a generic 
term for the "lowered" markings. I have seen the word "debossed" as an 
antonym of "embossed", but it seems to be a neologism created 
specifically for this purpose.


I'm trying to avoid using "cast", "forged" or "stamped" as these terms 
are all about the method of marking, not about the form of the 
markings. And both cast and forged markings can be either raised or 
lowered. This is not just an issue for me and the wire strainers I'm 
working on. Zillions of objects in museums have markings that need to 
be described, but I've been unable to find a suitable term to include 
in the "restricted vocabulary" I am developing for my work.


I'm quite happy to use "raised" as a simple, clear and neutral (i.e. 
independent of the method or marking) term for any embossed markings, 
but I would welcome any suggestions for a similar generic term for 
markings that are below the surface. I've looked at various thesauri 
(pedant!), but so far I haven't found any terms that really works.




Cheers, John

John Pickard
john.pick...@bigpond.com

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Re: Sundial Puzzle Corner

[John Lynes]

Shadow will be longest to the north at midnight, twice a year, at any point
north of the Arctic Circle.
John Lynes

On 28 October 2016 at 07:58, Frank King  wrote:
>
>
>   Where on the planet would you have to
>   be, and at what time of year, for these
>   instructions to give the correct result?
>
>
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Re: Terms to describe markings on dials (or other objects)

[Schechner, Sara]

Possibilities from art historical use are:
Positive, above background surface--In raised letters, or lettering in relief
Negative, below background surface--In sunken letters, or lettering in 
counter-relief

Sara Schechner 

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Re: Terms to describe markings on dials (or other objects)

[John Lynes]

Depressed?
John Lynes

On 27 October 2016 at 23:12, John Pickard  wrote:

> Good morning,
>
> As part of my research on wire strainers (tools used to tighten wire in
> fences) I am struggling with trying to find some generic terms to describe
> the markings (patent numbers, part numbers and other information) on the
> tools.
>
>
> John Pickard
> john.pick...@bigpond.com
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Sundial Puzzle Corner

[Frank King]

Dear All,

I have been looking at new U.K. educational
website which has a whole category devoted
to sundials.  Early on, there is section
"Finding True North".  See:

  http://wiki.dtonline.org/index.php/Finding_True_North

This is what it asserts:

  The Sun can be used to find True North
  quite simply by placing a vertical stake
  in the ground and noting which direction
  the longest shadow points to.

You may now take a two-minute break while
you recover from rolling on the floor in
a state of helpless laughter.

When you have recovered, ponder this puzzle:

  Where on the planet would you have to
  be, and at what time of year, for these
  instructions to give the correct result?

Moral:

  It is better to learn from other people's
  mistakes than from your own.

Frank King
Cambridge, U.K.

P.S. The home page of the website is:

  http://wiki.dtonline.org/index.php/Category:Sundials

It won't take long before you notice other
erroneous assertions :-)

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