Re: DeltaCad has been discontinued
I would offer for consideration several options that work well and are easy to program and use; some are more functional than others. I have tried and written code for all of them, and I discuss them on my website, as well as having functioning code for various dial types. NanoCAD https://nanocad.com/ FreeCAD https://www.freecad.org/ Powerdraw http://www.powerdraw.software.informer.com OpenSCAD http://www.openscad.org/ Check http://www.illustratingshadows.com I have a page covering each of the above as well as other systems. Also look at my free book Programming Shadows which has detailed code and explanations for each system. http://illustratingshadows.com/programmingShadows.pdf Simon Wheaton-Smith On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 11:50 PM Alexei Pace wrote: > Good morning Dan-George, as an alternative one may wish to try > https://www.qcad.org/en perhaps. > > Alexei > > On Fri, 5 May 2023 at 07:34, Dan-George Uza > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I've just found out that DeltaCad has been discontinued so you won't be >> able to download the demo any longer. I find this very sad, it was a very >> simple CAD software with many useful sundial macros available. However, it >> seems that you will still be able to download your purchased copy. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> -- >> Dan-George Uza >> --- >> https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial >> >> --- > https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > > -- Simon Wheaton-Smith www.illustratingshadows.com Phoenix, AZ W 112.1, N 33.5 --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: DeltaCad has been discontinued
Diese Nachricht wurde eingewickelt um DMARC-kompatibel zu sein. Die eigentliche Nachricht steht dadurch in einem Anhang. This message was wrapped to be DMARC compliant. The actual message text is therefore in an attachment.--- Begin Message --- I would offer for consideration several options that work well and are easy to program and use; some are more functional than others. I have tried and written code for all of them, and I discuss them on my website, as well as having functioning code for various dial types. NanoCAD https://nanocad.com/ FreeCAD https://www.freecad.org/ Powerdraw http://www.powerdraw.software.informer.com OpenSCAD http://www.openscad.org/ Check http://www.illustratingshadows.com I have a page covering each of the above as well as other systems. Also look at my free book Programming Shadows which has detailed code and explanations for each system. http://illustratingshadows.com/programmingShadows.pdf Simon Wheaton-Smith On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:50:46 PM MDT, Alexei Pace wrote: Good morning Dan-George, as an alternative one may wish to try https://www.qcad.org/en perhaps. Alexei On Fri, 5 May 2023 at 07:34, Dan-George Uza wrote: Hello, I've just found out that DeltaCad has been discontinued so you won't be able to download the demo any longer. I find this very sad, it was a very simple CAD software with many useful sundial macros available. However, it seems that you will still be able to download your purchased copy. Best wishes, -- Dan-George Uza--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- End Message --- --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: DeltaCad has been discontinued
Good morning Dan-George, as an alternative one may wish to try https://www.qcad.org/en perhaps. Alexei On Fri, 5 May 2023 at 07:34, Dan-George Uza wrote: > Hello, > > I've just found out that DeltaCad has been discontinued so you won't be > able to download the demo any longer. I find this very sad, it was a very > simple CAD software with many useful sundial macros available. However, it > seems that you will still be able to download your purchased copy. > > Best wishes, > > -- > Dan-George Uza > --- > https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > > --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: Deltacad
You might check this one out: http://www.deltacadusersgroup.org/Forums/archive/index.php?thread-158.html And search here: http://www.deltacadusersgroup.org/macrospage1.html Dave _ From: sundial [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Donald Christensen Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2015 6:34 PM To: Sundial mailing list Subject: Deltacad For years I have been using Autocad. I now want to start Deltacad and in particular writing macros. I need an example of a macro that will read from a .csv file Does anyone know where I can get such an example? Cheers Donald Christensen 0423 102 090 www.sundialsforlearning.com http://www.sundialsforlearning.com/ http://content.screencast.com/users/dchristensen777/folders/Default/media/d 641cee8-137c-456d-afc1-334e75526254/logo%20GIRL_SHADOW.gif This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. Un-authorized use of this email is subject to penalty of law. So there! --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Deltacad
Thank you for that. It's a start. However I want to plot points. The x and y coordinates for these points will be written on a csv file. I want this macro to read the csv file then use these x and y values to plot the points in Deltacad. The macro that you showed me converts the csv table and makes the table into a Deltacad drawing. Cheers Donald Christensen 0423 102 090 www.sundialsforlearning.com This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. Un-authorized use of this email is subject to penalty of law. So there! On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Dave Bell db...@thebells.net wrote: You might check this one out: http://www.deltacadusersgroup.org/Forums/archive/index.php?thread-158.html And search here: http://www.deltacadusersgroup.org/macrospage1.html Dave -- *From:* sundial [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] *On Behalf Of *Donald Christensen *Sent:* Saturday, June 06, 2015 6:34 PM *To:* Sundial mailing list *Subject:* Deltacad For years I have been using Autocad. I now want to start Deltacad and in particular writing macros. I need an example of a macro that will read from a .csv file Does anyone know where I can get such an example? Cheers Donald Christensen 0423 102 090 www.sundialsforlearning.com This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. Un-authorized use of this email is subject to penalty of law. So there! --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Deltacad
[Options], Options, Default directory At 04:23 15-11-2014, Donald Christensen wrote: I'm running windows 7 Can I set deltacad to remember a certain directory? Or will it simply remember the last one? Cheers Donald Christensen 0423 102 090  http://www.sundialsforlearning.com/www.sundialsforlearning.com This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. Un-authorized use of this email is subject to penalty of law. So there! On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 1:57 PM, illustratingshadows mailto:illustratingshad...@yahoo.comillustratingshad...@yahoo.com wrote: what operating system and release level? deltacad and windows 8.1 remembers the last macro folder, but not in windows 8 at least that is what I experienced. simon Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Alpha, an AT;T 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Donald Christensen mailto:dchristensen...@gmail.comdchristensen...@gmail.com Date:11/14/2014 19:02 (GMT-07:00) To: Sundial mailing list mailto:sundial@uni-koeln.desundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: Deltacad I have just installed Deltacad and am learning how to use it. One question that I have is: How do I change the default directory? I want Deltacad to always look in and save to d:\d deltacad Cheers Donald Christensen 0423 102 090  http://www.sundialsforlearning.com/www.sundialsforlearning.com This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. Un-authorized use of this email is subject to penalty of law. So there! --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial -- Th. Taudin Chabot, . tcha...@dds.nl --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Deltacad
I'm running windows 7 Can I set deltacad to remember a certain directory? Or will it simply remember the last one? Cheers Donald Christensen 0423 102 090 www.sundialsforlearning.com This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. Un-authorized use of this email is subject to penalty of law. So there! On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 1:57 PM, illustratingshadows illustratingshad...@yahoo.com wrote: what operating system and release level? deltacad and windows 8.1 remembers the last macro folder, but not in windows 8 at least that is what I experienced. simon Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Alpha™, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Donald Christensen dchristensen...@gmail.com Date:11/14/2014 19:02 (GMT-07:00) To: Sundial mailing list sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: Deltacad I have just installed Deltacad and am learning how to use it. One question that I have is: How do I change the default directory? I want Deltacad to always look in and save to d:\d deltacad Cheers Donald Christensen 0423 102 090 www.sundialsforlearning.com This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. Un-authorized use of this email is subject to penalty of law. So there! --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Deltacad dxf?
Terry, I am not sure that this is the same problem but, I had the similar problem with my software SONNE and DeltaCAD until I found that text files (and dxf files are text files) can have ASCII or ANSI format and some software accepts only dxf-files in ANSI format. Now I save dxf-files in ANSI format. So it might be helpful if you try to convert this text format to ANSI. Or may be, in some CAD-software you can switch from one format to the other. Good luck! Helmut - Original Message - From: terence ackland To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: Deltacad dxf? Hi, I downloaded Deltacad 6 and a collection of macros from Mr. Sabanski's great website. I experimented with a couple of macros and saved them as .dxf. I tried to open these files using both AutoCADR14 and QuickCAD and got an error message. I then used Sonne218 to produce a dial and saved it as a .dxf which I was then able to open in both Autocad programmes as well Deltacad. Is there something I am doing wrong, I'm not a CAD expert? Thanks, Terry -- Get the name you've always wanted ! @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com. -- --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: DeltaCAD Human Figures
Thanks Barry!!! That website at http://www.sum-cd.com/ENG/FRE/fretop.html had a free library of just what I needed.. John From: Barry Wainwright [mailto:bar...@mac.com] Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:23 PM To: sund...@rrz.uni-koeln.de Cc: John Carmichael Subject: Re: DeltaCAD Human Figures On 17 Oct 2009, at 19:17, John Carmichael wrote: Hi CADets: I'm designing a large public sundial using DeltaCAD and would like to include some human figures in the drawing to give the sundial drawing a sense of scale. Do any of you who use CAD drawings know where I can locate free simple human figure drawings in CAD format (DC, DXF, or DWG)? try here for 3D models: http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/parts/browse/Humans.aspx or here for DXF 2D drawings: http://www.sum-cd.com/ENG/FRE/fretop.html -- Barry --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: DeltaCAD Human Figures
On 17 Oct 2009, at 19:17, John Carmichael wrote: Hi CADets: I’m designing a large public sundial using DeltaCAD and would like to include some human figures in the drawing to give the sundial drawing a sense of scale. Do any of you who use CAD drawings know where I can locate free simple human figure drawings in CAD format (DC, DXF, or DWG)? try here for 3D models: http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/parts/browse/Humans.aspx or here for DXF 2D drawings: http://www.sum-cd.com/ENG/FRE/fretop.html -- Barry --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: DeltaCad Sundial Macro - Learning How to Write Them
Carl, good work as always. Chatting with people about DeltaCAD as well as the other languages, common questions do get asked. I have added a few pages of notes on how DeltaCAD programs work, including a very short overview on object oriented versus conversational and transaction based programming, and also techniques. It is on my DeltaCAD page. These notes are only an extract from a much more complete chapter in Illustrating More Shadows, which also covers selected dials written in a number of languages, so language systems may be compared. I also have dials in Octave, Scilab, and Euler, all of which are free systems; legacy language stuff for diallists in FORTRAN as well as Pascal; and the newer language systems such as JAVA and Python. Anyhow, I hope the notes I added today on my DeltaCAD page:- www.illustratingshadows.com/stats-DeltaCAD will be helpful in explaining DeltaCAD's user interface and some techniques to consider when writing DeltaCAD macros. Simon www.illustratingshadows.com --- Carl Barbara Sabanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunny Day! As many of you are aware, Valentin Hristov wrote an excellent DeltaCad sundial macro for a bifilar sundial that can be designed in any arbitrary position. This macro can actually be used to design 13 different sundials. I have never attempted to write a macro and I thought a good way to start learning would be to modify an existing macro. So, with Valentin's help, I have made a couple of modifications to his bifilar sundial macro. There are two changes I have incorporated as follows: In the original macro there are three selections for the hour line time intervals. In the modified version there are seven. In the original macro there is one set of date lines that are integrated with the period selection. In the modified version the date line selection has been separated from the period selection. There are now six selections for the date lines as well as the original three period selections. If you would like to see what the new version has to offer scroll way down to the bottom of this page: www.mysundial.ca/tsp/deltacad_sundial_macros_vh_bifilar2.html If you would like to get this macro go to this page: www.mysundial.ca/tsp/deltacad_sundial_macros_vh.html I believe these changes have added additional flexibility to the original macro. It was a challenge to even modify a macro and get it working. It is a great learning experience if you have never programmed before. Give it a try. If you encounter any problems with the macro please let me know. And while you are visiting go to the spider sundial page to see Valentin's latest macro. Happy Dialling! Carl Sabanski www.mysundial.ca --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: DeltaCad Macros and Virtual Dials
Sunny Day! Excellent work! I really like what you have done. One real sundial...one virtually real sundial. Thank you for sharing your creations and keep up the good work. I am sure that everyone is looking foreward to your next creation. Happy Dialling! Carl -Original Message- From: Phil Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:05 AM To: Carl and Barbara Sabanski; Valentin Hristov Cc: Phil Walker; Sundial List Subject: DeltaCad Macros and Virtual Dials I look forward to each new version of Valentin Hristov's origami DeltaCad macros, featured in Carl Sabinski's Sundial Primer website. Recently I have made a portable dial, based on Valentin's Bifilar macro. To see it, go to my website www.sunandshadows.net and then go to My Home Sundials. Or, as an alternative, go to My Virtual Sundials and check my Declining Vertical Bifilar Dial. With a little modification to the DeltaCad macro and use of Google SketchUp, here is a virtual sundial, located at my back garden. This is a declining Vertical Bifilar dial, ( see the parameters in the webpage). One of the advantages of Google SketchUp is that you get from the model the appropriate shadows from the location, date and time and you can also get animations for the model. As Carl says, Sunny Days Phil Walker Newport, Shropshire, UK 52deg. 46min. N 2deg. 22min. W SOL NOS ALIOS VMBRA E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.sunandshadows.net --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: DeltaCad Sundial and Dialling Related Macros
Thanks Carl A lot of effort can be seen in the Delta CAD macros by each of the authors. It is nice to see them presented with examples so a dialist can compare the different results. Nice job of presentation- Warren - Original Message - From: Carl Barbara Sabanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sundial Mailing List (E-mail) sundial@uni-koeln.de Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:31 PM Subject: DeltaCad Sundial and Dialling Related Macros Sunny Day! With the permission of Simon Wheaton-Smith I now have a web page providing an overview of his many DeltaCad sundial and dialling related macros. Thank you Simon! The Sundial Primer is now host to a total of 63 DeltaCad sundial and dialling related macros written by a number of diallists. If you don't have them yet come and visit and get them while they're hot. http://www.mysundial.ca/tsp/deltacad_sundial_macros.html Happy Dialling! Carl Sabanski www.mysundial.ca --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: DeltaCad Sundial Macros
Hello Carl: Your DC macro pages are great and will help a lot of people. But your Ron Anthony's macro download link is missing his Vertical Dial macro. I seem to remember testing this macro long ago but I no longer have it on my computer. But if I remember correctly, it only calculated and drew vertical SOUTH dials, and did not draw vertical DECLINING dials. (you might want to relable the text to Due South Vertical Sundials) As far as I know, there are no macros available for either declining or inclining dials. These are the only major dial types macros that are missing from your great collection. Keep up the good work! John C. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl Barbara Sabanski Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:36 PM To: Sundial Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: DeltaCad Sundial Macros Sunny Day! I have been working on a new section of The Sundial Primer called DeltaCad Sundial Macros. I do not know how to write macros but I have tried to provide information on the use of some existing ones. Some of you have no doubt encountered these particular macros but perhaps some of you have not. You can check them out at: http://www.mysundial.ca/tsp/deltacad_sundial_macros.html If you have written a dialling related macro and would like to have it included as part of this page please send it to me along with any information that would be useful to new users. I will check it out and see what I can do. Happy Dialling! Carl Sabanski www.mysundial.ca Get Hooked on Gnomonics --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: DeltaCad Sundial Macros
Sunny Day John! Thanks for the positive feedback. I do not have the vertical sundial macro to include. If one exists I would appreciate receiving it and I would include it. My page shows how the horizontal sundial macro can be used to draw a vertical sundial using DeltaCad. Thanks again. Carl -Original Message- From: John Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:03 AM To: 'Carl Barbara Sabanski' Cc: sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: RE: DeltaCad Sundial Macros Hello Carl: Your DC macro pages are great and will help a lot of people. But your Ron Anthony's macro download link is missing his Vertical Dial macro. I seem to remember testing this macro long ago but I no longer have it on my computer. But if I remember correctly, it only calculated and drew vertical SOUTH dials, and did not draw vertical DECLINING dials. (you might want to relable the text to Due South Vertical Sundials) As far as I know, there are no macros available for either declining or inclining dials. These are the only major dial types macros that are missing from your great collection. Keep up the good work! John C. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl Barbara Sabanski Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:36 PM To: Sundial Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: DeltaCad Sundial Macros Sunny Day! I have been working on a new section of The Sundial Primer called DeltaCad Sundial Macros. I do not know how to write macros but I have tried to provide information on the use of some existing ones. Some of you have no doubt encountered these particular macros but perhaps some of you have not. You can check them out at: http://www.mysundial.ca/tsp/deltacad_sundial_macros.html If you have written a dialling related macro and would like to have it included as part of this page please send it to me along with any information that would be useful to new users. I will check it out and see what I can do. Happy Dialling! Carl Sabanski www.mysundial.ca Get Hooked on Gnomonics --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: DeltaCad Sundial Macros
Carl: Great page as always. As a reminder, some of the key features in my DeltaCAD macros include: north and south hemisphere for most dials animation of shadows or calendar lines animation for shepherd and azimuth dials astrolabe for any latitude (planispheric) the infamous inclined decliner Simon www.illustratingshadows.com --- John Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Carl: Your DC macro pages are great and will help a lot of people. But your Ron Anthony's macro download link is missing his Vertical Dial macro. I seem to remember testing this macro long ago but I no longer have it on my computer. But if I remember correctly, it only calculated and drew vertical SOUTH dials, and did not draw vertical DECLINING dials. (you might want to relable the text to Due South Vertical Sundials) As far as I know, there are no macros available for either declining or inclining dials. These are the only major dial types macros that are missing from your great collection. Keep up the good work! John C. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl Barbara Sabanski Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:36 PM To: Sundial Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: DeltaCad Sundial Macros Sunny Day! I have been working on a new section of The Sundial Primer called DeltaCad Sundial Macros. I do not know how to write macros but I have tried to provide information on the use of some existing ones. Some of you have no doubt encountered these particular macros but perhaps some of you have not. You can check them out at: http://www.mysundial.ca/tsp/deltacad_sundial_macros.html If you have written a dialling related macro and would like to have it included as part of this page please send it to me along with any information that would be useful to new users. I will check it out and see what I can do. Happy Dialling! Carl Sabanski www.mysundial.ca Get Hooked on Gnomonics --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: DeltaCad Macro for Merchant Card Dial
He Fer, Here's the macro saved as a text file. Hope this gets through. I meant to add in my initial posting that the code for the Sol Horometer-type EoT adjustment could be adapted for any equal hour sundial. best wishes, Peter fer de vries wrote: Hi Peter, Great you wrote a Deltacad macro, but it didn't come through because of the extension .bas of the file. The virus scanner blocks this type of file. Could you send it again as zipped file or as plain text in the e-mail? Best wishes, Fer. Fer J. de Vries De Zonnewijzerkring mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-zonnewijzerkring.nl Eindhoven, Netherlands lat. 51:30 N long. 5:30 E - Original Message - From: Peter Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: DeltaCad Macro for Merchant Card Dial Hi, I've been working in odd moments of 'midnight madness' on a DeltaCad macro for the Merchant Card Dial. I'm attaching a thumbnail jpeg of the completed dial and the DC macro. In the best (worst!) traditions of dialing, this version of the dial is designed for the Southern Hemisphere Summer/Northern Hemisphere Winter and the standard time zones are Australian ones...Perhaps by next June I'll be able to write the second macro. best wishes, Peter Mayer -- Peter Mayer Politics Department The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 Ph: +61 8 8303 5606 Fax : +61 8 8303 3443 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CRICOS Provider Number 00123M --- This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information that may be confidential and/or copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete this email. Use, disclosure or reproduction of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. No representation is made that this email or any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient. === WARNING: This e-mail has been altered by MIMEDefang. Following this paragraph are indications of the actual changes made. For more information about your site's MIMEDefang policy, contact MIMEDefang Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED]. For more information about MIMEDefang, see: http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/enduser.php3 An attachment named Merchant Card Dial-South-summer-2.0.bas was removed from this document as it constituted a security hazard. If you require this document, please contact the sender and arrange an alternate means of receiving it. --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial -- Peter Mayer Politics Department The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 Ph: +61 8 8303 5606 Fax : +61 8 8303 3443 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CRICOS Provider Number 00123M --- This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information that may be confidential and/or copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete this email. Use, disclosure or reproduction of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. No representation is made that this email or any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient. 'MERCHANT CARD DIAL September-March 'Created by Peter Mayer ©2007 'except where code from other authors is acknowledged. 'This program generates a card dial for the Southern Hemisphere Summer/ 'Northern Hemisphere Winter. It is based on the design of Charles J. Merchant 'as presented in Scientific American March, 1964, pp.136-139. 'Use the File:Set Print Region command 'to print the base, standard time dial and correction disk. 'portions of this code adapted from Equant dial program-author unknown Const pi = 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971 Const minuspi = -3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971 Const d2r = pi / 180'degrees to radians factor Const r2d = 180 / pi'radian to degrees factor Const e = 2.7182818284 Dim hours (19) As String Dim t As Double 'theta sun hour angle in degrees Dim bm (13) As String Dim datetext (13) As String Dim eot (366) As Double Dim cm, w As Double Dim radius1 As Double Dim count, degree, longitude, tick As Integer Dim x,x0,x1,x2, test As Double Dim oldx As Double Dim y,y0,y1,y2 As Double Dim oldy As Double Const NumberofHours = 19'sets number of hours on circular scale ' init_constants 'call the subroutine. Code in the sub-routine adapted from 'the Circular Sundial Program of Valentin
RE: DeltaCad Macro for Merchant Card Dial
Sunny Day! The Sundial Mail Archive does not normally make attachments available. It is interesting to note that it appears archived messages with DeltaCad Basic file attachments include the file as text after the main body of the message. So the Basic files then get archived too. Happy Dialling! Carl Sabanski www.mysundia.ca Get Hooked on Gnomonics! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of fer de vries Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:49 AM To: sundial; Peter Mayer Subject: Re: DeltaCad Macro for Merchant Card Dial Hi Peter, Great you wrote a Deltacad macro, but it didn't come through because of the extension .bas of the file. The virus scanner blocks this type of file. Could you send it again as zipped file or as plain text in the e-mail? Best wishes, Fer. Fer J. de Vries De Zonnewijzerkring mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-zonnewijzerkring.nl Eindhoven, Netherlands lat. 51:30 N long. 5:30 E - Original Message - From: Peter Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: DeltaCad Macro for Merchant Card Dial Hi, I've been working in odd moments of 'midnight madness' on a DeltaCad macro for the Merchant Card Dial. I'm attaching a thumbnail jpeg of the completed dial and the DC macro. In the best (worst!) traditions of dialing, this version of the dial is designed for the Southern Hemisphere Summer/Northern Hemisphere Winter and the standard time zones are Australian ones...Perhaps by next June I'll be able to write the second macro. best wishes, Peter Mayer -- Peter Mayer Politics Department The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 Ph: +61 8 8303 5606 Fax : +61 8 8303 3443 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CRICOS Provider Number 00123M --- This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information that may be confidential and/or copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete this email. Use, disclosure or reproduction of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. No representation is made that this email or any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient. === WARNING: This e-mail has been altered by MIMEDefang. Following this paragraph are indications of the actual changes made. For more information about your site's MIMEDefang policy, contact MIMEDefang Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED]. For more information about MIMEDefang, see: http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/enduser.php3 An attachment named Merchant Card Dial-South-summer-2.0.bas was removed from this document as it constituted a security hazard. If you require this document, please contact the sender and arrange an alternate means of receiving it. --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: DeltaCAD Presentation Handout
Hi Roger Fer: Roger, long ago you sent me your macro for making analemmatics with seasonal markers, and I've used it often. Also long ago, Fermade for mea custom made macro thatincludes 10 minute marks, but no seasonal markers. I use his macro in combination with yours to make analemmatics with 10 minute marks and seasonal markers. Ideally, it would be nice to have a single macro that combines both yours and Fer's macros into one. Currently on the NASS DeltaCAD webpage, neither yours nor Fer's macros appears. John - Original Message - From: Roger Bailey To: Fer De Vries ; John Carmichael Cc: Sundial List Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: RE: DeltaCAD Presentation Handout Hello John and Fer, John, you end your DeltaCad handout with the following clip and note. We would like to expand this selection of programs. If you have written programs or procedures that you think would add to those presented here, please email them toFer De Vries. (note from j.c. Noticeably lacking are macros for making vertical, declining andinclining sundials) In 2002 I hacked one of Fer'smacros and added the option to include seasonal markers.Fer and I worked together on this macro between April and November to end up witha little programfor designing an analemmatic sundial that included the options to plot day circles or seasonal markers and lines.Start the macro in DeltaCad, then go to "View" and"set layer" to turn on or off the plots of day circles and or seasonal markers. I have attached the file to be added to the library of NASS DeltaCad macros. I hope it is small enough to get through the mailing list size filters. In any case, I will bring a copy to Vancouver so we can explore this option if there istime. See you soon --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: DeltaCAD Presentation Handout
Hello John and Fer, John, you end your DeltaCad handout with the following clip and note. We would like to expand this selection of programs. If you have written programs or procedures that you think would add to those presented here, please email them toFer De Vries. (note from j.c. Noticeably lacking are macros for making vertical, declining andinclining sundials) In 2002 I hacked one of Fer'smacros and added the option to include seasonal markers.Fer and I worked together on this macro between April and November to end up witha little programfor designing an analemmatic sundial that included the options to plot day circles or seasonal markers and lines.Start the macro in DeltaCad, then go to "View" and"set layer" to turn on or off the plots of day circles and or seasonal markers. I have attached the file to be added to the library of NASS DeltaCad macros. I hope it is small enough to get through the mailing list size filters. In any case, I will bring a copy to Vancouver so we can explore this option if there istime. See you soon hor_analem3SM.bas Description: Binary data --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: DeltaCad and Corel Draw
Anselmo asked: Any previous experiences on this or alternate ways (maybe through AutoCad or so)? I have been designing sundials for many years now using Adobe Illustrator which is a 'high end' drawing program where all elements can be generated by mouse or menu. It plots angles to three decimal places with line thickness which are almost infinitely variable among hundreds of other relevant functions. A major strength is the ease with which individuals, who would perhaps classify themselves as 'non-artistic', can manipulate the aesthetic elements of sundial artwork. In particular the generation, placing, orientation and spatial adjustment of text elements is almost unlimited. Of course a tool which offers this flexibility requires some effort to master although the latest version has an excellent tutorial for beginners on DVD I understand. Unfortunately there isn't a button labelled Design a Beautiful Sundial ;-) Usual disclaimer. Tony Moss -
RE: DeltaCad question
Hi Mac and John, One quick way to do this is to cut and paste the drawing from Delta Cad to a program like Word or PowerPoint. You can easily stretch the clipped image in the new program. Roger Bailey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mac Oglesby Sent: June 4, 2003 10:05 AM To: sundial@rrz.uni-koeln.de Subject: DeltaCad question Hello Friends, Maybe one of you who has used DeltaCad can help me. I have a DeltaCad (.dc) line drawing which needs to be taller without changing its width. Is there a way, within DeltaCad 4.0, to change the scale of the y axis but not the x axis? Or, vice versa? Thanks for any suggestions. Mac Oglesby - -
Re: DeltaCad , NASS logo
Ron Anthony and others, Many thanks to Ron for sharing the code for drawing the NASS logo with Deltacad 4.0. I had one small problem with drawing the line for the winter solstice. It wasn't drawn at all. The code, used by Ron is : DrawDec (-dEpsilon) The line DrawDec (-dEpsilon) doesn't work. I tried several methods to write this statement until it worked. I succeeded with : DrawDec -(dEpsilon) DrawDec (0-dEpsilon) DrawDec 0-dEpsilon It is just a matter of syntax to get the winter soltice line been drawn. The programs distributed by Ron are very helpfull to start using this way of drawing dials. Are there other members on this list who have written programs for Deltacad? I would be pleased if more will be published. Best wishes, Fer. Fer J. de Vries [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.iae.nl/users/ferdv/ Eindhoven, Netherlands lat. 51:30 N long. 5:30 E
Re: DeltaCad
In response to a mail item from Mac and a posting by Fer asking for more code to be shared, I have decided to publish my DeltaCad macro for plotting horizontal Standard Time dials, (the type that are drawn by Fer's SPIN program). You can choose either azimuth or polar-axis style. The program is on the web at http://www.glinx.com/~srgl/deltacad.htm I am happy to publish other peoples' DeltaCad macros on my site, if that would be helpful to the community - just send me your code with a covering email which gives me explicit authority to publish it. Steve
Re: DeltaCad e-mail attachments
Do you know of a way to e-mail DC drawing files to somebody who doesn't have DC? John, The answer is. you guessed it: a DXF file. That why the DXF files are created. DXF stands for Drawing X-change File. Thibaud - Thibaud Taudin-Chabot 52°18'19.85 North 04°51'09.45 East home email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments max. 500kB; for larger attachments contact me first)
Re: DeltaCad Dialers
Hi Alex: To engrave a sundial drawing or other artwork onto wood, stone or metal, I first glue the paper drawing onto the surface with water soluble white glue (I use Elmers). This is like gluing wallpaper. Use a roller. When the glue is dry, then I waterproof the drawing with polyurethane (but you can use any varnish). When dry, I use my engraving tools to cut through the paper into the wood, stone or metal then I remove what's left of the paper using course sandpaper and a palm sander and/or a brush with water (for wood or stone) or by simply soaking for one hour in water (for metal). Of course, you don't want to remove the paper from metal with sandpaper or brush or you will scratch the metal. (Before I found out that I could use sandpaper to remove the paper, I used to soak my sundials in the swimming pool which didn't make me very popular at home!) If you'd like more information on how I make my sundials I can send you an attachment of an article I wrote for Dec. '99 The Compendium. John Hi John and all- While you are at it -- what is the best way to transfer the large printouts from paper to the actual material the sundial will be made of -- stone, metal, timber or whatever - alex At 10:52 04/06/2000, John Carmichael wrote: Hi Ron, Bob, Steve all: I'm so glad that so many dialers on the List will soon be using DeltaCad. I absolutely love it! It's much easier to use than I imagined. Thanks again Ron, for going the extra mile to order and front the money to buy all those copies for everyone. Hopefully, DeltaCad will become the standard drawing program for us dialers. This will greatly facilitate communication and learning among us. But the recent discussion concerning printouts of DeltaCad drawings has me frustrated again. Half of the discussion for possible solutions sound like a foreign language to me. And I thought, Oh no, here we go again, another stumbling block, more programs to buy and procedures to learn! I'm making hardcopies of this discussion for future reference. In the meantime, I'm just going to sit back and monitor your thoughts. Hopefully, eventually those of you with more plotting and printing knowledge and experience can come up with easy step-by-step instructions that we can use for obtaining DeltaCad drawing files that are acceptable to our local print shops. Please keep at it and give the solution to this problem top priority, as I think that obtaining large prints from DeltaCad will become an extremely important part of sundial production for many sundial makers. Thanks from all of us deltacadettes. John Carmichael Tucson Arizona * The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese! html font size=3Hi John and all- br br While you are at it -- what is the best way to transfer the large printouts from paper to the actual material the sundial will be made of -- stone, metal, timber or whatever -br br alexbr br At 10:52 04/06/2000, John Carmichael wrote:br blockquote type=cite citeHi Ron, Bob, Steve amp; all:br br I'm so glad that so many dialers on the List will soon be using DeltaCad.nbsp; Ibr absolutely love it!nbsp; It's much easier to use than I imagined.nbsp; Thanks againbr Ron, for going the extra mile to order and front the money to buy all thosebr copies for everyone.nbsp; Hopefully, DeltaCad will become the standard drawingbr program for us dialers.nbsp; This will greatly facilitate communication andbr learning among us.br br But the recent discussion concerning printouts of DeltaCad drawings has mebr frustrated again.nbsp; Half of the discussion for possible solutions sound likebr a foreign language to me.nbsp; And I thought, quot;Oh no, here we go again, anotherbr stumbling block, more programs to buy and procedures to learn!quot;br br I'm making hardcopies of this discussion for future reference.nbsp; In thebr meantime, I'm just going to sit back and monitor your thoughts.nbsp; Hopefully,br eventually those of you with more plotting and printing knowledge andbr experience can come up with easy step-by-step instructions that we can usebr for obtaining DeltaCad drawing files that are acceptable to our local printbr shops.br br Please keep at it and give the solution to this problem top priority, as Ibr think that obtaining large prints from DeltaCad will become an extremelybr important part of sundial production for many sundial makers.br br Thanks from all of us deltacadettes.br br John Carmichaelbr Tucson Arizonabr br /font/blockquotebr div*/div quot;The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!quot; /html
Re: DeltaCad Dialers
Hi Ron, Bob, Steve all: I'm so glad that so many dialers on the List will soon be using DeltaCad. I absolutely love it! It's much easier to use than I imagined. Thanks again Ron, for going the extra mile to order and front the money to buy all those copies for everyone. Hopefully, DeltaCad will become the standard drawing program for us dialers. This will greatly facilitate communication and learning among us. But the recent discussion concerning printouts of DeltaCad drawings has me frustrated again. Half of the discussion for possible solutions sound like a foreign language to me. And I thought, Oh no, here we go again, another stumbling block, more programs to buy and procedures to learn! I'm making hardcopies of this discussion for future reference. In the meantime, I'm just going to sit back and monitor your thoughts. Hopefully, eventually those of you with more plotting and printing knowledge and experience can come up with easy step-by-step instructions that we can use for obtaining DeltaCad drawing files that are acceptable to our local print shops. Please keep at it and give the solution to this problem top priority, as I think that obtaining large prints from DeltaCad will become an extremely important part of sundial production for many sundial makers. Thanks from all of us deltacadettes. John Carmichael Tucson Arizona
Re: DeltaCad
Bob wrote: While I have only had the demo version of DeltaCad for a few days, I have some observations. Perhaps others can provide more. I have observed these problems with DeltaCad. Regards, Steve 1) If your PC graphics mode is 1280x1024 or greater, the functions for text editing misbehave. Multiple spurious error messages are generated which the user has to click on before processing can continue. This is the worst problem I know of, as I encounter it frequently. Once past the spurious errors, the text edit box can be used and processing normally continues. 2) However, if the chosen action is to alter the justification of the text, the application loops and then crashes. 3) Splines must not have more than 248 points, and irregular polygons (shapes) are limited to 748 points. If more points are used, either or both of the application menu and the drawing will be corrupted. There is no error message on the call to dcCreateSpline and no warning in the manual that these limits exist. I only found out about it after sending their tech. support a failing programme. I was making splines with 365 points when I hit the problem. The limit is a trap for the unwary, but since drawings are not noticably degraded by omitting every second day, it is simply a matter of using only 183 points in a curve. I moved over to using splines because the drawing is generated much faster than when multiple straight line elements are used. 4) The Basic interpreter intermittently reports spurious syntax errors if there are a series of subroutine calls one after another, where the subroutine takes more than one parameter and the parameters values supplied are constants e.g. ... do_sub(1,2) do_sub(3,4)'an error is reported for this line. do_sub(5,6) ... Sub do_sub(ByVal param1, ByVal param2) ... End Sub It seems to go away if you use the Call keyword: Call do_sub(1,2) Call do_sub(3,4) Call do_sub(5,6)
Re: DeltaCad
I'll go for one, Ron... Let me know when, how, how much, you want! Dave On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Ron Anthony wrote: All, PLEASE NOTE: Version 4.0 For WindowsT 95, 98, NT(4.0), or 2000 NO WINDOWS 3.1 or MAC. DeltaCAD has two offers: Standard Quanity discount: 10 copies bought at once for $29.99 ($10 savings) For Us: 50 copies bought at once for $24.99. In both cases; . It includes the CD and manual. . Shipping is $1.99 each if shipped to one location, . Shipping is $4.99 each if shipped to separate locations. . It appears that international shipping is about $5.00 more. No credit for previously purchaced copies. I think the best way to go is to buy 10 at a time. I would be willing to front the money and have them shipped to me and I could mail them out individually. ++ron
Re: DeltaCad vs. TurboCad
Steve You said: Certainly not intended, in fact I wished to join in from another perspective. Then I hope my reaction has not embarassed you. If you have a 3D CAD model, please send. I do not have anything in 3D. Let's hope somebody else can post a drawing for you. I was banging on about DeltaCad because I've personally found it to adequate and affordable, and suitable for simple dialling needs. No 3D though. Steve L.
Re: DeltaCad
Bob, Attached is a small DeltaCad program to draw the EOT. Much of it is derived from a program Steve Leliever posted last week. It should be easy enough to understand, and it contains some new features that I wanted to play with. ++ron - Original Message - From: Robert Terwilliger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sundial Mailing List sundial@rrz.uni-koeln.de Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 4:16 AM Subject: DeltaCad Hi Ron and All, I would like to express an interest in the $29.95 + 4.95 shipping DeltaCad offer. If there are 9 more takers, we can place the order. In the meantime, I would like to see an example of a program written in their Basic programming language - just to see how the syntax looks. If you have one, would you please send it to me? If it's not too long, you could post it to the list. Thanks, Bob Terwilliger Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=EOT.bas Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=EOT.bas Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:EOT.bas (/) (0001150B)
Re: DeltaCad vs. TurboCad
On 24 Mar 00, at 9:53, Steve Irick wrote: I find this discussion very interesting, especially the tutorial on the fabrication process. My impression is that everyone involved in this discussion is an expert and thus would appreciate a suggestion. For this I would need a 3D CAD model of a sundial, pedestal and all, in the format of either STEP, IGES, ProE or IDEAS. This can be a model of your greatest endeavor. Why not looking for Solid-Edge? Thats a mid-range CAD programme from Unigraphics. See http://www.solid-edge.com [It's possible to obtain a free CD with full 2D and partial 3D] It's based on the Parasolid core, meaning you have a very fast learningcurve! The build-in tutorials are a great help. It's very easy to develop full 3D-models. It's possible to export your 3D-data to: PAR, STL, Parasolid, EMS, EAI, IGES and STEP. Solid Edge has 3 moduls: 3D modeling 2D Metal Sheet Assembly Greetings from Hendrik Desmet, West Flanders, Belgium, Europe http://user.online.be/~hdesmet/rar/ http://user.online.be/~hdesmet/rarmanual/ DH/DSS key id: 0x0FE4EF7E RSA key id: 0xFD14799D
Re: DeltaCad
Ron, Thanks for taking the trouble to look into this. I received a $29.95 (+$4.99 SH) upgrade to 4.0 offer from Midnight several weeks ago, but didn't do it because DeltaCad version 4.0 requires at least Windows 95, according to the flyer. Maybe everyone else has left Windows 3.1 behind, but you should make sure that prospective buyers know the system requirements. Regards, Mac All, Today, I have written to Midnight Software the maker of DeltaCad about a special group rate for the worldwide sundial community. Currently two discounts are available: 10 copies on CD and hard copy manuals for $29.00 + 25 copy site license on a single CD with one printed manual for $19.99+ per computer. I don't know if we would qualify as site . I would think that as a group we would qualify for the $19.99 price. I hope to hear back from them soon. What is the level of interest in this, so that I can tell them a number of copies we might want? Would you want the CD and the manual versions, or download it off the web and use the online help ++ron
Re: DeltaCad
John, I think it's wonderful that you took the innitiative to check into group rate prices for DeltaCad. Of course it doesn't help me much since I already paid full price, but I don't care. I would gladly have paid double the price to acquire this great program. Good point. If those of you who already have purchased a copy of DeltaCAD 4.0 will let me know, I will use that as leverage when I talk to the guy. ++ron
Re: DeltaCad vs. TurboCad
Gentlemen: I find this discussion very interesting, especially the tutorial on the fabrication process. My impression is that everyone involved in this discussion is an expert and thus would appreciate a suggestion. For this I would need a 3D CAD model of a sundial, pedestal and all, in the format of either STEP, IGES, ProE or IDEAS. This can be a model of your greatest endeavor. Thank you for the privilege Steve At 08:37 AM 3/24/00 -0400, Steve Lelievre wrote: The situation seems to be: Illustrator costs about 400 USD+shipping, whereas DeltaCad is about 40 USD+shipping. DeltaCad shares the basic facilities which Tony mentioned for Illustrator - dilation, rotation, translation - but not the distorting operations such as shearing and stretching text to fit curved boundaries. DeltaCad is fairly easy to use, but it isn't a industrial graphics tool in the league of Illustrator. It is, however, adequate for setting out many types of dial manually. For more complex forms, such as those with built-in EoT adjustment, it allows for creation of programs which lay out the dial directly into the drawing. TurboCad is somewhere in between the two, and there is a cut-down +free+ version which includes plotting facilities but not the programming. I agree with Tony that busy professional makers and avid enthusiasts will enjoy the wealth of facilities in Illustrator or similar, but I also agree with Ron's view that most other people will find DeltaCad to be adequate at the price. I think it's a case of paying your money and taking your choice. Steve
Re: DeltaCad vs. TurboCad
The situation seems to be: Illustrator costs about 400 USD+shipping, whereas DeltaCad is about 40 USD+shipping. DeltaCad shares the basic facilities which Tony mentioned for Illustrator - dilation, rotation, translation - but not the distorting operations such as shearing and stretching text to fit curved boundaries. DeltaCad is fairly easy to use, but it isn't a industrial graphics tool in the league of Illustrator. It is, however, adequate for setting out many types of dial manually. For more complex forms, such as those with built-in EoT adjustment, it allows for creation of programs which lay out the dial directly into the drawing. TurboCad is somewhere in between the two, and there is a cut-down +free+ version which includes plotting facilities but not the programming. I agree with Tony that busy professional makers and avid enthusiasts will enjoy the wealth of facilities in Illustrator or similar, but I also agree with Ron's view that most other people will find DeltaCad to be adequate at the price. I think it's a case of paying your money and taking your choice. Steve
Re: DeltaCad vs. TurboCad
I sense a hint of sarcasm in this note, which I take to be an invitation to shut up, which I shall now do - with apologies for boring the rest of you. Steve I find this discussion very interesting, especially the tutorial on the fabrication process. My impression is that everyone involved in this discussion is an expert and thus would appreciate a suggestion. For this I would need a 3D CAD model of a sundial..snip
Re: DeltaCad vs. TurboCad
Ron Anthony contributed: I have not worked with Illustrator yet. Does it have a programing language built into it for generating drawing based on user input. That's one thing that many of these CAD programs have that drawing programs don't. There's no facility of that sortwell...you can't have everything AND miracles! :-) I never got beyond some rather clumsy escapades in 'Basic' myself before pre-digested applications came along that allowed me to sigh with relief and just get on with the creative bits. I'd guessed that would be the difference but just wanted to draw attention to the fact that there are some very fine sundial-relevant computer drafting packages 'for the rest of us'. Tony Moss
Re: DeltaCad vs. TurboCad
John wrote:
{clipped}..I was very happy to find DeltaCad available online for only 39
dollars.
There is a 10USD shipping surcharge for destinations outside the USA. For
euro-zone buyers the total price equates to just under ?50 (or more if you
get caught for import duty).
Steve
Re: DeltaCad vs. TurboCad
Steve Lelievre contributed: Subject: Re: DeltaCad vs. TurboCad Sent:21/3/20 12:53 am Received:22/3/00 2:37 pm From:Steve Lelievre, [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Carmichael, [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Sundial mailing list, sundial@rrz.uni-koeln.de John wrote: Which is better, DeltaCad or TurboCad? What's the difference? I can't comment on the differences as I have only used DeltaCad. I have only passing experience of CAD programs viz. a bemused foray into AutoCad with its 'dongle'-equipped licenced users and its 5 inch thick handbook many years ago whereas every line I put on paper nowadays is via one of three vector drawing programs with Adobe 'Illustrator 8' as current favourite. As with all new software there is a pain barrier but it is quickly overcome and then the near-miraculous becomes commonplace with lines, curves, geometrical and free shapes and text endlessly rotateable, shrinkable, skewable or pastable onto any predetermined surface or abject. Who would attempt roman numerals with curved serifs, graduated in size and 'skew' between a pair of off-centre ellipses by hand and eye? With 'Illustrator' it was a breeze. I'm trying to think of something it can't do in 2D but without much success. From a sundialling viewpoint there must be something in CAD programs that I've missed - probably the 'hard sums'! Or perhaps its a desire for self-inflicted pain? :-) Tony (resident dysnumerate) Moss
Re: DeltaCad vs. TurboCad
John wrote: Which is better, DeltaCad or TurboCad? What's the difference? I can't comment on the differences as I have only used DeltaCad. I can warn you that there is a bug in DeltaCad which causes spurious error messages when editing text items, if the screen resolution is 1280x1024 or higher and your graphics chipset is intel 810. The suppliers are unable to offer a solution to at this time, and right now are suggesting it may be a fault in the underlying driver software provided by the graphics card manufacturer. I'm dubious about their diagnosis, but for me it is only a minor issue and since it is the only problem I've found, I'm happy with DeltaCad (that's not to say that TurboCad isn't also good). DeltaCad uses Enable Basic for its macro language, which I have found to be fully functional but somewhat slow in executing scripts which do lots of number crunching. I see from their website that TurboCad also uses Enable Basic, so I suspect that it is no better in this respect. I mention macros as I think that they will start to be swapped around just as free standing dialling programs are at present. Generating a dial directly from within the CAD application makes it easy for people to add furniture and generally dress up their designs. Steve
Re: DeltaCad vs. TurboCad
Hi John, The problem with any CAD program is the time to learn to use it. They all have learning curves that are steep. Delta CAD let me see my first work quicker, but all will print a drawing once you figure out the required steps. It also depends on what you want to do. All of the CAD programs I have seen will import DXF file format, which you can edit/add text/connect lines. If you want to use the output from Fer's programs to add text and clean up, then any CAD should work. For some reason I thought your question had something to do with gif files. Those are something I am still learning to manipulate. If I can help in any way, let me know. Warren Thom John Carmichael wrote: Hello dialists (esp. Mac, Sarah, Alexei): Last week after I asked if anybody could supply a Cad printing service, a couple of you responded with generous offers in the afirmative. Others offered to help me learn either DeltaCad or TurboCad. Encouraged by your support, I just ordered the Delta Cad program and downloaded the free Demo version too. I'm wondering, should I acquire TurboCad also, or is Delta Cad sufficient (for printing large copies of Zonwlak and Shadows files)? Which is better, DeltaCad or TurboCad? What's the difference? Thanks, John Carmichael Tucson Arizona
