Re: [SunRay-Users] SunRay 3 Plus
Hi. Where are they? On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Zachary Giles zgi...@gmail.com wrote: I'd also be interested in a few.. maybe 4, depending on price, if possible. ( Also, Hello List! :) Looking forward to playing with sun rays. ) On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Ivar Janmaat ijanm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hello, I might be interested in a two. Where are you located? Ivar Graham Elsdon schreef: Is anyone looking to stock SunRay 3+ s ? ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users -- Zach Giles zgi...@gmail.com ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] SunRay 3 Plus
I'd also be interested in a few.. maybe 4, depending on price, if possible. ( Also, Hello List! :) Looking forward to playing with sun rays. ) On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Ivar Janmaat ijanm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hello, I might be interested in a two. Where are you located? Ivar Graham Elsdon schreef: Is anyone looking to stock SunRay 3+ s ? ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users -- Zach Giles zgi...@gmail.com ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] SunRay 3 Plus
Hello, I might be interested in a two. Where are you located? Ivar Graham Elsdon schreef: Is anyone looking to stock SunRay 3+ s ? ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] SunRay 3 Plus
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Re: [SunRay-Users] SunRay 3 Plus
On 12/08/2015 20:48, Graham Elsdon wrote: Is anyone looking to stock SunRay 3+ s ? Would like to find a few dozen cheap :-( Paul -- Internal Fire Museum of Power Tel: 01239 811212 Mob: 07904 278636 Website: http://www.internalfire.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Internal-Fire-Museum-Of-Power/198568506925586 ACE/CyMAL Accredited Museum, Registered Charity number 1134971 A member of the Association of Independent Museums. ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Justin Beeler jus...@jbeeler.com wrote: And there you have it from the horses mouth That's a first. I'm more used to being compared to a completely different part of that animal. OttoM. __ ottomeister ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus
In the past 10 years the Sun Ray hardware capabilities were always ahead of the software capabilities. Which is a good thing since software can be updated much more easily. So I can imagine that SRS 4.2 does not stretch the Sun Rayn 3 Plus to its limits. In order to see the full performance you will probably need the next SRS version. Ivar Mohamad Hammouda schreef: is it better? more powerful? Best Regards Mohamad Hammouda System Engineer ACT (Automation And Computer Technologies) Gefinor Ctr.,Block E, 1st Fl., Clemanceau P.O.Box: 13-5302 Beirut, Lebanon Tel: +961-1-350349, Fax: +961-1-345549 -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org on behalf of Justin Beeler Sent: Wed 4/7/2010 10:53 PM To: chris.bu...@gmail.com; SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus I have. We have 2 at work. -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Chris Bull Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:48 PM To: SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So, With the announcement of the 3 plus out of the bag, has anyone actually got one and played with it? first impressions? Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAku84XwACgkQVL87HwnDMXxkmgCfevg4waXP9mnYX4GTu6o/sid3 OtoAn1/ry/lIUHNTTOjqj9GNhwJlPkEU =yFo6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus
As I knew that the new model have ATI VGA, does this help more in the way it loads the images? specially with the 1G Ethernet interface. Best Regards Mohamad Hammouda System Engineer ACT (Automation And Computer Technologies) Gefinor Ctr.,Block E, 1st Fl., Clemanceau P.O.Box: 13-5302 Beirut, Lebanon Tel: +961-1-350349, Fax: +961-1-345549 From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org on behalf of Ivar Janmaat Sent: Thu 4/8/2010 10:14 AM To: SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus In the past 10 years the Sun Ray hardware capabilities were always ahead of the software capabilities. Which is a good thing since software can be updated much more easily. So I can imagine that SRS 4.2 does not stretch the Sun Rayn 3 Plus to its limits. In order to see the full performance you will probably need the next SRS version. Ivar Mohamad Hammouda schreef: is it better? more powerful? Best Regards Mohamad Hammouda System Engineer ACT (Automation And Computer Technologies) Gefinor Ctr.,Block E, 1st Fl., Clemanceau P.O.Box: 13-5302 Beirut, Lebanon Tel: +961-1-350349, Fax: +961-1-345549 -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org on behalf of Justin Beeler Sent: Wed 4/7/2010 10:53 PM To: chris.bu...@gmail.com; SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus I have. We have 2 at work. -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Chris Bull Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:48 PM To: SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So, With the announcement of the 3 plus out of the bag, has anyone actually got one and played with it? first impressions? Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAku84XwACgkQVL87HwnDMXxkmgCfevg4waXP9mnYX4GTu6o/sid3 OtoAn1/ry/lIUHNTTOjqj9GNhwJlPkEU =yFo6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus
Yes and yes. Much better graphics in this model plus it can support up to 4 monitors. Better audio too. From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Mohamad Hammouda Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:05 AM To: SunRay-Users mailing list; chris.bu...@gmail.com; SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus is it better? more powerful? Best Regards Mohamad Hammouda System Engineer ACT (Automation And Computer Technologies) Gefinor Ctr.,Block E, 1st Fl., Clemanceau P.O.Box: 13-5302 Beirut, Lebanon Tel: +961-1-350349, Fax: +961-1-345549 -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org on behalf of Justin Beeler Sent: Wed 4/7/2010 10:53 PM To: chris.bu...@gmail.com; SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus I have. We have 2 at work. -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Chris Bull Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:48 PM To: SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So, With the announcement of the 3 plus out of the bag, has anyone actually got one and played with it? first impressions? Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAku84XwACgkQVL87HwnDMXxkmgCfevg4waXP9mnYX4GTu6o/sid3 OtoAn1/ry/lIUHNTTOjqj9GNhwJlPkEU =yFo6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus
Better audio? Does that just mean a higher bitrate or something? I always thought the Sun Ray audio was pretty good as was. From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Justin Beeler Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:57 AM To: SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus Yes and yes. Much better graphics in this model plus it can support up to 4 monitors. Better audio too. From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Mohamad Hammouda Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:05 AM To: SunRay-Users mailing list; chris.bu...@gmail.com; SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus is it better? more powerful? Best Regards Mohamad Hammouda System Engineer ACT (Automation And Computer Technologies) Gefinor Ctr.,Block E, 1st Fl., Clemanceau P.O.Box: 13-5302 Beirut, Lebanon Tel: +961-1-350349, Fax: +961-1-345549 -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org on behalf of Justin Beeler Sent: Wed 4/7/2010 10:53 PM To: chris.bu...@gmail.com; SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus I have. We have 2 at work. -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Chris Bull Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:48 PM To: SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So, With the announcement of the 3 plus out of the bag, has anyone actually got one and played with it? first impressions? Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAku84XwACgkQVL87HwnDMXxkmgCfevg4waXP9mnYX4GTu6o/sid3 OtoAn1/ry/lIUHNTTOjqj9GNhwJlPkEU =yFo6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www..filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www..filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus
The new unit has large speakers on the side versus the old small dinky one previously built in. From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of William Yang Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:35 AM To: 'SunRay-Users mailing list' Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus Better audio? Does that just mean a higher bitrate or something? I always thought the Sun Ray audio was pretty good as was. From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Justin Beeler Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:57 AM To: SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus Yes and yes. Much better graphics in this model plus it can support up to 4 monitors. Better audio too. From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Mohamad Hammouda Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:05 AM To: SunRay-Users mailing list; chris.bu...@gmail.com; SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus is it better? more powerful? Best Regards Mohamad Hammouda System Engineer ACT (Automation And Computer Technologies) Gefinor Ctr.,Block E, 1st Fl., Clemanceau P.O.Box: 13-5302 Beirut, Lebanon Tel: +961-1-350349, Fax: +961-1-345549 -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org on behalf of Justin Beeler Sent: Wed 4/7/2010 10:53 PM To: chris.bu...@gmail.com; SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus I have. We have 2 at work. -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Chris Bull Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:48 PM To: SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So, With the announcement of the 3 plus out of the bag, has anyone actually got one and played with it? first impressions? Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAku84XwACgkQVL87HwnDMXxkmgCfevg4waXP9mnYX4GTu6o/sid3 OtoAn1/ry/lIUHNTTOjqj9GNhwJlPkEU =yFo6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www..filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www..filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:56 AM, Justin Beeler jus...@jbeeler.com wrote: Yes and yes. Much better graphics in this model plus it can support up to 4 monitors. Better audio too. 2 monitors, not 4. Perhaps you're misinterpreting the dual-link DVI capability. Dual-link means that the SR3+ can spread pixel data over a pair of data lines on the DVI connector. This is what allows it to drive a 2560x1600 monitor while staying within the clock rate limit of DVI. It does not mean that you can attach 2 monitors to each DVI output. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Justin Beeler jus...@jbeeler.com wrote: The new unit has large speakers on the side versus the old small dinky one previously built in. The SR3+ has only a dinky little built-in speaker. The grilles on the side are vents for (passive) airflow, needed because the SR3+ can consume more power than the 2FS. If the 3+ sounds better it's probably because those vents let the sound get out better than the unvented case of the 2FS did. But anyone who really cares about audio quality will still want to use headphones or external speakers. OttoM. __ Disclaimer: I am employed by Oracle. The statements and opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily represent those of Oracle Corporation. ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus
And there you have it from the horses mouth -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of ottomeister Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:07 PM To: SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:56 AM, Justin Beeler jus...@jbeeler.com wrote: Yes and yes. Much better graphics in this model plus it can support up to 4 monitors. Better audio too. 2 monitors, not 4. Perhaps you're misinterpreting the dual-link DVI capability. Dual-link means that the SR3+ can spread pixel data over a pair of data lines on the DVI connector. This is what allows it to drive a 2560x1600 monitor while staying within the clock rate limit of DVI. It does not mean that you can attach 2 monitors to each DVI output. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Justin Beeler jus...@jbeeler.com wrote: The new unit has large speakers on the side versus the old small dinky one previously built in. The SR3+ has only a dinky little built-in speaker. The grilles on the side are vents for (passive) airflow, needed because the SR3+ can consume more power than the 2FS. If the 3+ sounds better it's probably because those vents let the sound get out better than the unvented case of the 2FS did. But anyone who really cares about audio quality will still want to use headphones or external speakers. OttoM. __ Disclaimer: I am employed by Oracle. The statements and opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily represent those of Oracle Corporation. ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus
I have. We have 2 at work. -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Chris Bull Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:48 PM To: SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So, With the announcement of the 3 plus out of the bag, has anyone actually got one and played with it? first impressions? Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAku84XwACgkQVL87HwnDMXxkmgCfevg4waXP9mnYX4GTu6o/sid3 OtoAn1/ry/lIUHNTTOjqj9GNhwJlPkEU =yFo6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus
is it better? more powerful? Best Regards Mohamad Hammouda System Engineer ACT (Automation And Computer Technologies) Gefinor Ctr.,Block E, 1st Fl., Clemanceau P.O.Box: 13-5302 Beirut, Lebanon Tel: +961-1-350349, Fax: +961-1-345549 -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org on behalf of Justin Beeler Sent: Wed 4/7/2010 10:53 PM To: chris.bu...@gmail.com; SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus I have. We have 2 at work. -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Chris Bull Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:48 PM To: SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: [SunRay-Users] Sunray 3 Plus -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So, With the announcement of the 3 plus out of the bag, has anyone actually got one and played with it? first impressions? Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAku84XwACgkQVL87HwnDMXxkmgCfevg4waXP9mnYX4GTu6o/sid3 OtoAn1/ry/lIUHNTTOjqj9GNhwJlPkEU =yFo6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
