Re: [freenet-support] Abeginner's analysisof Freenet'smethod ofcommunication
On 25/10/10 08:29, Volodya wrote: On 25.10.2010 10:42, Ichi wrote: On 25/10/10 07:17, Volodya wrote: On 25.10.2010 8:24, Ichi wrote: On 25/10/10 04:32, Volodya wrote: On 25.10.2010 6:03, Ichi wrote: snip Is there any way to create a darknet comprising nodes that all see the internet through VPN tunnels with no port forwarding? I'm pretty sure that the answer is no. Or, at least, I haven't managed it so far. Yes, it's possible. One of the main way that Internet connections are created in Russia are to create a network connection to your ISP and then they give you VPN access that actually takes you to the internet. There's no problem running Freenet over such a setup. Thanks, Volodya. Briefly, here's what I did. Using VirtualBx, I created a Ubuntu Lucid VM, installed OpenVPN and XeroBank credentials, and made three clones. I then booted each VM, and established the VPN, ensuring that each had a distinct IP address. Finally, I installed Freenet on each, in darknet mode, and introduced each node to the other three as instructed. But they didn't connect to each other. As a control, I put one of them in opennet mode, and it immediately established many connections. snip Ichi The problem could be that you needed to enable allowing connections to the local network addresses, and before the exchange you needed to turn on including local address in the noderef. -- Volodya Thanks -- and I don't want them to connect locally. I want them to connect only via each VM's VPN, as if they were far apart. Although I was testing this with four VMs running on one host, for actual implementation the VMs would be in multiple locations. There's a difference between running locally and connecting via local ip address range. I'm not sure how you set up the address alocation for the different virtual machines, but i guess that the ip addresses would fall within LAN address lange. - Volodya Each of the virtual machines has one network adapter that uses the host's IP via NAT. But I believe that's irrelevant. For each virtual machine, once I establish its VPN connection, I configure iptables using shorewall to restrict traffic to the VPN. It's the VPN exit IPs that I used in the exchanges. Generally, they're in the Netherlands, Canada and the United States. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] A beginner's analysis of Freenet's method ofcommunication
On 24/10/10 22:07, Volodya wrote: In particular I'm asking: why not tunnel connections in a manner similar to VPN? How do you propose Freenet deals with ports not being open? - Volodya Is there any way to create a darknet comprising nodes that all see the internet through VPN tunnels with no port forwarding? I'm pretty sure that the answer is no. Or, at least, I haven't managed it so far. Would it be enough for one node to have an open port? Ichi ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] A beginner's analysis of Freenet'smethod ofcommunication
On 25/10/10 04:32, Volodya wrote: On 25.10.2010 6:03, Ichi wrote: snip Is there any way to create a darknet comprising nodes that all see the internet through VPN tunnels with no port forwarding? I'm pretty sure that the answer is no. Or, at least, I haven't managed it so far. Yes, it's possible. One of the main way that Internet connections are created in Russia are to create a network connection to your ISP and then they give you VPN access that actually takes you to the internet. There's no problem running Freenet over such a setup. Thanks, Volodya. Briefly, here's what I did. Using VirtualBx, I created a Ubuntu Lucid VM, installed OpenVPN and XeroBank credentials, and made three clones. I then booted each VM, and established the VPN, ensuring that each had a distinct IP address. Finally, I installed Freenet on each, in darknet mode, and introduced each node to the other three as instructed. But they didn't connect to each other. As a control, I put one of them in opennet mode, and it immediately established many connections. snip Ichi ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] [freenet.uservoice.com] New message: 'HI--I am new to computers and by natre ...'
[Hierophant asked me to submit for him.] On Sunday, August 15, 2010, 1:05:13 PM, Juliano wrote: HI--I am new to computers and by nature and not techy at all! So trying to understand about the freenet the feeling is one of panic where i just dont understand terminology etc. I do however just want to ask some simple questions about Freenet, because i am all for no censorship of the net. snip There's a fundamental distinction that may be useful. If you wish to access the open internet (what you access now) with stronger privacy, anonymity and security, Freenet is not for you. For that, you want either Tor or a paid OpenVPN-based privacy/anonymity service (such as Mullvad, XeroBank, Cryptohippie, Rayservers, etc). Simple web proxy servers are, IMHO, virtually useless. And BTW, you must trust your provider, so choose well. Avoid Anonymizer, which has CIA ties. Freenet is a self-contained virtual network. One accesses Freenet through a network node. There's no access to Freenet from the open internet, and (typically) no access from Freenet to the open internet. Actually, I should have written Freenets. There's a common Freenet (OpenNet) that's open to all. That is, in OpenNet mode, your node accepts connections from any node that asks. Conversely, in DarkNet mode, you specify all nodes that your node will connect with. For example, you could have a DarkNet for just yourself, your business, your friends or whatever. I have no clue how many DarkNets may exist. Also, DarkNets can be interlinked (and/or linked to the OpenNet) via one or more shared nodes. One other thing. There are risks in running an OpenNet node. They're explained in the FAQ. I run my nodes on virtual machines that connect through anonymous VPNs. YMMV. Anyway, enough. Corrections are welcomed. -- Best regards, Hierophantmailto:hieroph...@xerobank.net -- Best regards, Ichi mailto:i...@xerobank.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] I Like the Idea but....
I'm posting this for a friend who doesn't want to join the support list. On November 30, 2009, 7:58:19 PM, Tim Jones wrote: I think you need to publish a more user friendly description of the product and how it works. I am a fairly experienced PC/Windows user for many years and I made a career of data administration using technology. However, reading your website just makes my head spin much as trying to decipher Linux and trying to understand what advantages I gain from deploying freenet that is more and better than something like PGP or using proxies. The goal of Freenet, as I understand it, is to provide anonymous and secure communication among Freenet nodes, either restricted to closed groups, or open to all users. Freenet does not provide access to the internet, and is not accessible from the internet. In that sense, it's distinct from Tor, web proxies and various anonymity services. snip -- Best regards, Ichi mailto:i...@xerobank.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] philosophical question
Hello Support, Long ago, reading Ian's paper, I imagined Freenet as a data haven that would be accessible via the internet, not just to other Freenet nodes.That's obviously not how it's worked out. Although I do find some flogs replicated on anonymous websites, I can't tell whether that's been done manually or automated. I do appreciate that porting Freenet to the internet could be risky. Is that the only issue? Does Freenet have a policy against such porting? -- Best regards, Ichi mailto:i...@xerobank.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
On Sunday, November 15, 2009, 2:17:12 AM, Luke771 wrote: Matthew Toseland wrote: On Monday 09 November 2009 19:41:27 Ichi wrote: First, I appreciate that Matthew had to ban Toni. Open discussion of Freenet documents is just plain stupid, for obvious reasons. Second, I'm sure that Freenet and this list are already illegal in many countries. If Freenet ever becomes popular, it will undoubtedly become illegal everywhere, more or less. With any luck, Freenet will be fully anonymous and secure by then. Even now, this support list could be hosted anonymously and securely at reasonable cost. And BTW, why is Freenet incorporated in the USA, and not somewhere with lower legal and political risks? Such as ...? (That's a serious question as well as a rhetorical one) Some small island nation like Tonga or something? The Principality of Sealand? San Marino? Well, that's another thing we wouldn't want to discuss publicly (at least, if we were knowledgeable). And actually, I'm not, so that's not a problem. Anyway, Xerobank's website lists an address in Panama for Xero Networks AG. -- Best regards, Ichimailto:i...@xerobank.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
First, I appreciate that Matthew had to ban Toni. Open discussion of Freenet documents is just plain stupid, for obvious reasons. Second, I'm sure that Freenet and this list are already illegal in many countries. If Freenet ever becomes popular, it will undoubtedly become illegal everywhere, more or less. With any luck, Freenet will be fully anonymous and secure by then. Even now, this support list could be hosted anonymously and securely at reasonable cost. And BTW, why is Freenet incorporated in the USA, and not somewhere with lower legal and political risks? VolodyA! V Anarhist wrote: bimbek wrote: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. -- Best regards, Ichi mailto:i...@xerobank.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
