[Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
There can be more than one reason. Yes, but reasons 'afterwards' are always easily found (and even believed by themselves). It's called 'to rationalise'. The reason why it actually got deleted, is the reason first given in the email, which was based on an emotional tit-for-tat reaction, and is now being rationalised by saying: oh, but you didn't use it anymore anyway, you can't be trusted, etc. What you would suggest is more or less the same thing as abandoning Freenet. You make the mistake of equalling the Freenet project with the current architecture. Surely, you can not seriously contend this is the same. In the beginnings, freenet didn't *have* any architecture, yet the project was there. It's the goal that counts, not the underlying architecture or techniques used. I mean, if - by some miracle - it is acknowledged that major parts of the software needs to be rewritten, are you then going to say Freenet is dead? Are you going to call it something else, because you changed the underlying architecture (which most newbie users don't care about much anyway, as long as it does what it is supposed to do)? Freenet is what you make of it; as long as it fulfills it's aims, it does not matter what architecture you use to create it. So am I. I have heard from many users that it is better than it was. And I have heard from the newbie that it is working acceptably performance wise. And on my own node I rarely see RNFs and can fetch a great deal of content. Then the least one can say, is that there are many users that find it crap, and many that find it better than it was. I do not think this contradicts eachother per sé; I do not doubt that many users, who have experienced the totally borked network in the past, indeed feel that it is better now then in the past. 'Better' is comparing to something else; it does not say much about the actual performance on itself. The newbie also said I helped him, something you seem to deem irrelevant. ;-) As for your own node: I'll answer that one with another post relating to the performance. It is not a childish punishment. You cannot be trusted. Rationalisation. You didn't delete the account; Ian did. And he did so for the reason he mentionned in his email. Disallowing you an @freenetproject.org account is hardly restricting your freedom of speech! It is clearly a free speech issue, if it is done because one does not like what someone else (in this case me) is saying. We are not obliged to accredit you, just as a university is not obliged to give a PhD to a pupil who cheats. He first would have to demonstrate he cheated. *I*, on the other hand, have demonstrated that saying that freenet still sucks (at least from the endusers' perspective with an ordinary puter, connection and seednode), is not besides the truth. And staying with your analogy: he could NOT, and certainly not unilateraly, decide to revoke the PhD once he had given it to the pupil. Just as we can ban trolls from the IRC channel and even the mailing list; that's not a threat in this particular mail, nor is it a promise, but it is merely a relevant remark. It is not about 'being able' to do something. As libertarians (or at least freenetters) we all know that whomever has the power, can do what he wants. Ian 'can' pull the plug (obviously), but that has no bearing on the question if it was fair. ...Given that newbie nodes always have much worse performance initially than after they have had time to integrate, if you can't see the likely cost of what you have said to the freenet project in terms of new users... Yes, well, this comes to the crux, doesn't it? Is it, because when I say Freenet still sucks and you feel offended by it, or because I 'abuse' or 'lie' or 'work against' freenet? Is it 'against us', or against the Freenet project? I would say that, seen my recent experimental evidence, what I say is close to the observable truth, provided you start with what an ordinary user would have. So how does telling the truth doing something to the detriment and 'cost in terms of new users' of the Freenet project? Are you suggesting I should say something contrary to experimental evidence, just to lore in more new users? I do not describe to that idea: I think it's far better to honestly say to newbies that they shouldn't expect much of it then to be over-optimistic every time, like some High Gods have consistantly done. In fact, I think THAT is screwing the Freebie and to 'the detriment of Freenet' and in the long term also to 'the cost of new users'. It's exactly because of creating high expectations with the newbie that so many users feel cheated and double dissapointed and leave Freenet, probably for good. If we were more upfront on how bad freenet is for people that don't have tweaked their puters, have T1 lines, are a seednode, leave their box on 24/24 7/7, etc.we might actually be benefiting Freenet far more then with dulling them into believing all will work out great.
Re: [Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 12:24:23PM +0100, Newsbyte wrote: There can be more than one reason. Yes, but reasons 'afterwards' are always easily found (and even believed by themselves). It's called 'to rationalise'. The reason why it actually got deleted, is the reason first given in the email, which was based on an emotional tit-for-tat reaction, and is now being rationalised by saying: oh, but you didn't use it anymore anyway, you can't be trusted, etc. What you would suggest is more or less the same thing as abandoning Freenet. You make the mistake of equalling the Freenet project with the current architecture. I don't consider I2P to be Freenet. Surely, you can not seriously contend this is the same. In the beginnings, freenet didn't *have* any architecture, yet the project was there. That is factually incorrect. Freenet started with Ian's paper. It's the goal that counts, not the underlying architecture or techniques used. Which goal in particular? Which goal distinguishes freenet from i2p and the other similar systems? Even Entropy? We do not have a monopoly on trying to implement these ideas. But Freenet refers to a particular implementation. I mean, if - by some miracle - it is acknowledged that major parts of the software needs to be rewritten, are you then going to say Freenet is dead? Are you going to call it something else, because you changed the underlying architecture (which most newbie users don't care about much anyway, as long as it does what it is supposed to do)? They will care if it means we have to throw away over a hundred thousand lines of code, many years work, and start again from scratch. Freenet is what you make of it; as long as it fulfills it's aims, it does not matter what architecture you use to create it. Then I2P is also Freenet. And so is Entropy. And perhaps even Gnunet. So am I. I have heard from many users that it is better than it was. And I have heard from the newbie that it is working acceptably performance wise. And on my own node I rarely see RNFs and can fetch a great deal of content. Then the least one can say, is that there are many users that find it crap, and many that find it better than it was. I do not think this contradicts eachother per s?; I do not doubt that many users, who have experienced the totally borked network in the past, indeed feel that it is better now then in the past. 'Better' is comparing to something else; it does not say much about the actual performance on itself. So? You want to set arbitrary targets? The newbie also said I helped him, something you seem to deem irrelevant. ;-) As for your own node: I'll answer that one with another post relating to the performance. It is not a childish punishment. You cannot be trusted. Rationalisation. You didn't delete the account; Ian did. And he did so for the reason he mentionned in his email. You can call it whatever you want. I stand by what he did, and what I said. Disallowing you an @freenetproject.org account is hardly restricting your freedom of speech! It is clearly a free speech issue, if it is done because one does not like what someone else (in this case me) is saying. I am not preventing you from speaking. I don't believe that banning you from this list would be restricting your freedom of speech, any more than rejecting spams is, if you were trolling, and the sanction ian actually used is far less than this. We are not obliged to accredit you, just as a university is not obliged to give a PhD to a pupil who cheats. He first would have to demonstrate he cheated. *I*, on the other hand, have demonstrated that saying that freenet still sucks (at least from the endusers' perspective with an ordinary puter, connection and seednode), is not besides the truth. And staying with your analogy: he could NOT, and certainly not unilateraly, decide to revoke the PhD once he had given it to the pupil. Just as we can ban trolls from the IRC channel and even the mailing list; that's not a threat in this particular mail, nor is it a promise, but it is merely a relevant remark. It is not about 'being able' to do something. As libertarians (or at least freenetters) we all know that whomever has the power, can do what he wants. Ian 'can' pull the plug (obviously), but that has no bearing on the question if it was fair. Not only we can physically, but we can MORALLY. If some asshole comes in here and makes the lists totally unusable by his trolling, we can ban him. Just as we HAVE in the past banned mikeeusa from #freenet on IRC. Hobx banned him for repeatedly trolling mostly via racist and anti-women language, which provoked considerable anger and off topic noise. This is one reason why the signal to noise ratio was always much lower on the #freenet on IIP; because there are no ops. ...Given that newbie nodes always have much worse performance initially than after they have had time to
Re: [Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
Jesus, If anything gave me a bad taste in my mouth other than freenet's terrible speed and reliablility, it's this current argument. Good luck in the future, maybe I'll be back when this doesn't remind me of a dysfunction family. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 03:19:59PM +0100, Newsbyte wrote: My critism is related to the performance and way of development of Freenet. In both instances, I have given constructive suggestions too, but you deny that. And even this time, I said changing to UDP might help with the firewall issue, so it is not like I'm only given critisism without ever suggesting alternatives. But, after all this time, it becomes a bit fatiguing since it never amounts to anything and the level of frustration because of no real progress (on the end-users perspective) augments. So yes, it is often sarcastic; ignoring it is fine, pulling the plug out of the account for it ain't. There are lots of ways to help with the firewalling issue. Some of them may eventually get implemented. However, it's possible that whatever issue that you happen to remark on isn't a priority at the time you remark on it. And some of your suggestions, such as rewriting Fred over I2P, are not supported by ian, me, and the devs in general, and will not be implemented in the foreseeable future. I am implying in an ironic way, that if he has trouble believing that it works better, he should ask you or toad, since you are both being over-optimistic in regard to how much it has 'improved' almost all of the time. Did I EVER say that it would work perfectly for newbies? When? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 01:58:28AM +0100, Newsbyte wrote: Well, phillip, see my other post for your remarks, but I would wanna say specifically one thing: * I don't like person (frequently Ian) Isn't true. I NEVER contend it's the person, as individual, that I dislike, I dislike the actions and decisions a person takes, because it leads, and has lead, to a virtual standstill in end-user usuability. Now, even that on itself isn't that bad, because people make mistakes, but when one continues for two years, it does become a question of when it is going to sink in that maybe there is need to change things. Your defence of it being fast, is just the sort of non-reality check I'm pointing at. Dude, how many people do you think have the ability of getting a connection like that? It's not realistic to extrapolate your situation to others, which are in a vast majority WAY less equiped and experience enough problems just getting it running (see posts of noobs on slashdot or even on the maillists). 30kB/sec down and 8kB/sec up is what he said. That's a standard 1024/128 broadband connection just about anywhere; most are faster. Maybe you haven't been hanging around long enough to remember, but I was one of the first people that suggested a new testnetwork which could seriously help in the development time in pinpointing problems...and yes, I've said that several times, so you can call that whining, if you want, but it IS in fact, a suggestion and an alternative - which some selectively remembering dudes claim I never do or did - and a good one at that, because there was a time we (at least Toad) agreed to it too. Do you here about it any longer? Well, no, it's been put back in the freezer because it was prefered to play with simulations that, as yet, didn't fullfill their promises neither. Well, you're not complaining about it at the moment, are you? Your recent posts mostly haven't talked about the test network. Ah man, all this shite about I don't contribute anything valuable is so lame. That what gets incorporated is forgotten (like augmenting the htl a year ago), and that what I propose in vain and hasn't been implemented is deemed to be mere talk, because it hasn't proven itself. Well, duh. Augmenting the HTL? Certainly, I have become increasingly sarcastic, but it shows a lack of understanding if you fail to see what is the cause of it. When you entered the scene a year ago, when freenet was plunged into it's worst non-working period ever, then you might have a sense that it has progressed a lot - well, it hasn't. Not in the end-users viewpoint, anyway. Maybe for a coder, like toad, things are different: he codes, sees the code change, implements new things, so, in his perspective, things have become better...but IMHO, that counts for not much, if the enduser can't benefit from it. That's not putting a blame on the hard work of Toad, or saying 'I don't like toad', as you seem to think, it's just the way it is. Saying freenet sucks, it's gotten worse, it'll never get better, and implying that this is because of the people building it, is not helpful. Saying and implying it to newbies when we are particularly vulnerable due to our slow initial performance due to freenet taking a while to learn where stuff is is particularly unhelpful, and not compatible with being allowed to represent the project by having an @freenetproject.org address. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
Saying freenet sucks, it's gotten worse, it'll never get better, and implying that this is because of the people building it, is not helpful. Saying and implying it to newbies when we are particularly vulnerable due to our slow initial performance due to freenet taking a while to learn where stuff is is particularly unhelpful, and not compatible with being allowed to represent the project by having an @freenetproject.org address. That's bull. You have to know what you want. Ian says (on the lists) it's because I don't use it anymore, you say it's because I promote I2P to the detriment of Freenet, and now says it's because I say to newbies that it sucks. First of all, I never said freenet should be abandonned; I say it should be revamped to work with the underlying I2P framework. How is this, in any way, to the detriment of Freenet? On the contrary, I believe it would save Freenet. And Freenet *does* suck, you said so much yourself. Certainly, you also claim it's a lot better, but I haven't seen any proof of that yet, and I'm speaking in end-user terms, not in the amount of new code being put in. In my experience, it's not working much better then the early 0.5 build, before the network collapsed. Saying to newbies it works badly when it does, can hardly be a reason to pull out the plug on the account. You can contest how much it really sucks, but seen the complaints of newbies and my own experiences, it's not like *your* own experiences are the sole measurement to determine that. And you *do* acknowledge it doesn't really work well, at least in some aspects. The truth is mentionned in the email I received from Ian, which is: he got pissed off by the criticism I gave. All the rest is afterwards-re-excusing things. The account is used for letting people ask me questions about freenet and freenethelp; do you think it's fair that this is now being deleted, as a childish punishment because of what I say? If you want to react, react with words, or ignore me, but actively doing an action that supercedes free speech is going a lot further. You claim it was not helpful, but the newbie in question finds it was, and I agree bringing the expectations down to earth is FAR better then always claiming so over-optimistically how improved things are. The truth is, and you know as well as me, that it was a tit-for-tat reaction, that supercedes the boundaries of free speech, and you know it. I never used the account for anything else then for fondraising (which I stopped doing since I noticed the development got stuck and things were not improving in the newbie-end-users' perspective), and for people that contact me with questions. So, how, exactly, does it help to delete it? Should I re-ask installment when I go searching for sponsors again when the 0.6 version comes out? Your reaction amounts to: 'too much criticism, let's make it clear we don't like it'; not an adult reaction, but if it stayed by words, it would be understandable. Now, it isn't. Even if one would be of the opinion that it's a rational, logical decision, the LEAST you could do, was to reinstate it for a copple of weeks, so I have the time to point people that the account isn't working anymore and to rechange the links. (That won't help with the sponsor searching for the 0.6, but, by your own reckoning, I won't do that, because I'm not 'helpful' (at least you seem think so, the people that actually felt helped seem to be conveniently forgotten). This is not about me 'abusing' Freenet; I have put too much effort in it for anyone to seriously suggest that; it's about you guys being pissed of by my remarks that at least *I* (and I'm REALLY not the only one) feel are valid, based on my own experiences and what I hear from noobs. You can disagree with what I say, but it doesn't mean it's fair to put a burden on me and other users, because you guys feel offended. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 09:05:05PM +0100, Newsbyte wrote: Saying freenet sucks, it's gotten worse, it'll never get better, and implying that this is because of the people building it, is not helpful. Saying and implying it to newbies when we are particularly vulnerable due to our slow initial performance due to freenet taking a while to learn where stuff is is particularly unhelpful, and not compatible with being allowed to represent the project by having an @freenetproject.org address. That's bull. You have to know what you want. Ian says (on the lists) it's because I don't use it anymore, you say it's because I promote I2P to the detriment of Freenet, and now says it's because I say to newbies that it sucks. There can be more than one reason. First of all, I never said freenet should be abandonned; I say it should be revamped to work with the underlying I2P framework. What you would suggest is more or less the same thing as abandoning Freenet. You would have us build something totally different. It might be simpler, it might work better, it would certainly have different attacks and it'd be based on fundamentally different principles. And it'd be largely new code. How is this, in any way, to the detriment of Freenet? On the contrary, I believe it would save Freenet. Such extreme measures might conceivably conform with our ideological objectives but they are so far away from our technical architecture as to be a full rewrite not only of all the code and microarchitecture but the protocol as well, the routing algorithm, and all the fundamentals. It would no longer be Freenet. It might be necessary to start again, but that has not yet been proven to my satisfaction, as I detail in another mail. And Freenet *does* suck, you said so much yourself. Certainly, you also claim it's a lot better, but I haven't seen any proof of that yet, and I'm speaking in end-user terms, not in the amount of new code being put in. So am I. I have heard from many users that it is better than it was. And I have heard from the newbie that it is working acceptably performance wise. And on my own node I rarely see RNFs and can fetch a great deal of content. In my experience, it's not working much better then the early 0.5 build, before the network collapsed. You mean before we actually released 0.5? After it was released it was perpetually collapsed... Saying to newbies it works badly when it does, can hardly be a reason to pull out the plug on the account. You can contest how much it really sucks, but seen the complaints of newbies and my own experiences, it's not like *your* own experiences are the sole measurement to determine that. And you *do* acknowledge it doesn't really work well, at least in some aspects. We are going round and round in circles; I have made my case and it is not profitable to make it again. The truth is mentionned in the email I received from Ian, which is: he got pissed off by the criticism I gave. All the rest is afterwards-re-excusing things. The account is used for letting people ask me questions about freenet and freenethelp; do you think it's fair that this is now being deleted, as a childish punishment because of what I say? If you want to It is not a childish punishment. You cannot be trusted. react, react with words, or ignore me, but actively doing an action that supercedes free speech is going a lot further. You claim it was not helpful, Disallowing you an @freenetproject.org account is hardly restricting your freedom of speech! We are not obliged to accredit you, just as a university is not obliged to give a PhD to a pupil who cheats. We can give accounts to whomever it is in the interest of the project to give accounts to. Just as we can ban trolls from the IRC channel and even the mailing list; that's not a threat in this particular mail, nor is it a promise, but it is merely a relevant remark. but the newbie in question finds it was, and I agree bringing the expectations down to earth is FAR better then always claiming so over-optimistically how improved things are. This is not about me 'abusing' Freenet; I have put too much effort in it for anyone to seriously suggest that; it's about you guys being pissed of by my remarks that at least *I* (and I'm REALLY not the only one) feel are valid, based on my own experiences and what I hear from noobs. You can disagree with what I say, but it doesn't mean it's fair to put a burden on me and other users, because you guys feel offended. What you are saying is Freenet will never work unless it is rewritten from scratch based on completely different architectures, and its performance sucks. Given that newbie nodes always have much worse performance initially than after they have had time to integrate, if you can't see the likely cost of what you have said to the freenet project in terms of new users, then you are not competent to have an @freenetproject.org address; and if you persist in
Re: [Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of the project
On 1 Dec 2004, at 10:05, Newsbyte wrote: Now, may I ask you if you feel I have helped/supported you with my posts? I ask that, because I just got emailed by Ian saying he kicked me out of the project (well, at least he disabled my freenetproject account) I wasn't aware that you were ever in the project to be kicked out of it (whatever being in the project means). Very few people have @freenetproject.org email addresses, you got one because you asked for it and because you said it would help you raise donations for the project. So far as I can see you no longer even use it, so I don't see why you are whining about losing something that many people who have made a much more significant contribution to the project than you have never even asked for. because of my first post to you. It seems he did not think it belonged in support, but ah, we all know it has more to do with him having difficulties to cope with the critisism I give on the current performance and developmentprocess of Freenet. Which is often sarcastic, true, but he should have the maturity to keep his personal feelings of being annoyed/agitated out of the project. I have no problem whatsoever with criticism, but I do have a problem when it is expressed in a sarcastic and personal manner. You have a right to say whatever you want, but I have a right not to endorse your opinions by giving you a project email address that you don't need and don't use. He asks me why that I should explain the *support* mailing list is consistent with you having an email address that implies you are a part of this project but at the same time says I shouldn't bother because all what I send goes directly into the bin anyhow - again not very mature. There is nothing mature or immature about my decision to ignore you, it is my personal preference based on the observation that most of what you say isn't very useful, and that it is generally expressed with extremely poor spelling and without bothering to follow even the most rudimentary email conventions. For a libertarian as he claims to be, this is rather spicious reasoning. When did I claim to be a libertarian, how is my not endorsing your emails in any way anti-libertarian, and what does spicious mean? 1)First of all, being part of the project isn't just a matter of making a post on the correct list, or not. (or, the real reason: being sarcastic and critical of Freenet or not). No, being a part of this or any project is about constructive criticism, but not sarcastic and personal criticism directed at those who have contributed far more to the project than you have. 2)Being part of a project is, obviously, also derived from whether you do something for the project or not. So what did I do for the project? I have sought and found sponsors, Yes you have, and I am grateful to those sponsors, and to you for finding them, but note that the total amount raised was less than numerous individual donations the project has received. This was also quite some time ago. 3)The main premise, that the post in question was not helpful or supportive, is debatable. Clearly Ian doesn't think so, but that doesn't mean the newbie that I responded to thinks the same. It's rather subjective, but it wasn't Ian asking support, so he should not presume to know whether it was or not. (but again, we all know the real reason). The portion of your comment which the poster found to be helpful was not the portion that I objected to. Please explain what this means and its relevance on a mailing list intended to help new users learn how to use Freenet. Also, please explain what you are implying by suggesting that he ask Matthew and I. Frustrating? Can't be! It has much improved, *much* I say. If you don't believe me, ask toad and Ian!Even the simulations say so! We have NIO and NGR now, so things definately have improved for noobs like you, whatever you may think about it yourself If I were to react so childish, I would have to say: well, if I'm not part of the project anymore, why should I keep freenethelp up, why shouldn't I revert all my changes to the website back, why should I do anything else? But such things are childish tit-for-tat reasonings, and I am not going for such a thing. Yes, you are never childish... Frustrating? Can't be! It has much improved, *much* I say. If you don't believe me, ask toad and Ian!Even the simulations say so! We have NIO and NGR now, so things definately have improved for noobs like you, whatever you may think about it yourself ...oops, finger must have slipped on the paste button there, careless me :-) If you don't like what I say, then say so, or ignore me; things a libertarian would do. I do both. Fighting for free speech but at the same time kicking someone out because you can't cope with what he says seems more then a bit contradictory to me, frankly. Ok, now I am going to say this real slow since you are obviously having trouble
[Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
I wasn't aware that you were ever in the project to be kicked out of it (whatever being in the project means). Very few people have @freenetproject.org email addresses, you got one because you asked for it and because you said it would help you raise donations for the project. That was one reason, yes. But while I agree that it's been months since I actively sought new sponsors, it is also true I use that emailaddress on several pages on the website and on the wiki for people that want to ask questions about freenet and freenethelp. If you discontinue that address, it means that it will not work anymore. And while true it isn't used that much (a lot of spam, though), it IS something that people can use. Or rather, could. So far as I can see you no longer even use it, so I don't see why you are whining about losing something that many people who have made a much more significant contribution to the project than you have never even asked for. You have the reasons. And ofcourse people that don't ask for the emailaccount will not whine about losing it, duh. You can't complain about losing something you didn't have in the first place. I have no problem whatsoever with criticism, but I do have a problem when it is expressed in a sarcastic and personal manner. You have a right to say whatever you want, but I have a right not to endorse your opinions by giving you a project email address that you don't need and don't use. It's not like all your posts are all that diplomatic neither, but I'll leave it at that. I agree with the middlepart, but note that endorsing my opinions is (or at least should) not done by giving or revoking an emailaccount. You have the right to endorse whatever you want, but your personal feelings of endorsement should not interfere in matters that are contrary to profesional management. Now, you have given some arguments this time why you think it should be terminated, yet in the email you linked it directly to the post I made. therefor, it is reasonable to suspect the desision is based more on personal feelings then on rationale. Because logic does not give a valid reason why it should be terminated: if I encounter a possible sponsor tomorrow, should I ask the whole thing back again? And since you are unilateraly throwing the account away, is it fair that the burden of having to change all the links I made to the address on the site and the wiki rest on my shoulders? Based on your opinion that I don't make much use of it...or because you got fed up with my critisism? I concur that I'm not seeking actively anymore, but if I encounter another sponsor, I will still need the address, and if people send to that account, they still have the right to expect that I answer, and changing all the emailaddies is an unfair burden, certainly because there is no pressing reason for it - apart possible personal feelings. There is nothing mature or immature about my decision to ignore you, it is my personal preference based on the observation that most of what you say isn't very useful, and that it is generally expressed with extremely poor spelling and without bothering to follow even the most rudimentary email conventions. I agree. The immaturity does not lay in the fact that you ignore me: you are fully entitled to that. The immaturity lies in the fact that you put a burden upon me, possibly inconviencing others as well, because you feel offended by my posts. As for the spelling: I'm not even going to go that route again. I'm not native english and I don't have an english spellchecker and I doubt I would use it anyway. My english is good enough to be understandable, and it's way better then what most english-speaking dudes can type in german or french. I've once posted on an italian-freenetforum; I don't remember them complaining about my italian, though god knows it was no doubt far worse then my english. But spelling dosn't have anything to do with the actual topic in any case. And about emailconventions: whatever conventions I have, it's not asking, by email, for a response, while at the same time saying I throw them directly in the bin. When did I claim to be a libertarian, how is my not endorsing your emails in any way anti-libertarian, and what does spicious mean? If you mean to say, where did you say 'I'm a libertarian', you're right, you didn't. Reading your blog, I would say it's libertarian in anture, though. But feel free to say it's not. No, being a part of this or any project is about constructive criticism, but not sarcastic and personal criticism directed at those who have contributed far more to the project than you have. My critism is related to the performance and way of development of Freenet. In both instances, I have given constructive suggestions too, but you deny that. And even this time, I said changing to UDP might help with the firewall issue, so it is not like I'm only given critisism without ever suggesting alternatives. But, after all this time, it becomes
Re: [Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:19:59 +0100, Newsbyte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [cut for brevity] In my time watching this list, which is well over a year now, I don't actually recall you making a valid contribution to the project. I do tend to read your emails, though it can be a struggle at times, and all I normally see is this: * Freenet's too slow * I don't like person (frequently Ian) * Whine whine whine Now, personally I don't find Freenet slow. That may be because my node is sitting on a basically unmetered 10Mbps half duplex connection, but it may not. I take the goals of the project in to consideration, and waiting 2-3 minutes for a text document to download isn't that bad. Now, if only Java was less resource intensive... If I could run Freenet in 128MB of RAM sucessfully the other users of the machine would be happy. As it is, it takes 160MB, which isn't too bad. -- Phillip Hutchings http://www.sitharus.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:58:28 +0100, Newsbyte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, phillip, see my other post for your remarks, but I would wanna say specifically one thing: * I don't like person (frequently Ian) Isn't true. I NEVER contend it's the person, as individual, that I dislike, I dislike the actions and decisions a person takes, because it leads, and has lead, to a virtual standstill in end-user usuability. Now, even that on itself isn't that bad, because people make mistakes, but when one continues for two years, it does become a question of when it is going to sink in that maybe there is need to change things. Well, I will give you that. We can't all agree all the time. But I would say pointing to resources supporting your viewpoint would give posts a better feel. Not that this is always possible. Your defence of it being fast, is just the sort of non-reality check I'm pointing at. Dude, how many people do you think have the ability of getting a connection like that? It's not realistic to extrapolate your situation to others, which are in a vast majority WAY less equiped and experience enough problems just getting it running (see posts of noobs on slashdot or even on the maillists). Yeah, I wish I had that connection to my home. I have to live with 256/128 cable. When I ran freenet on that it wasn't too bad, but I have a bandwidth cap. Maybe you haven't been hanging around long enough to remember, but I was one of the first people that suggested a new testnetwork which could seriously help in the development time in pinpointing problems...and yes, I've said that several times, so you can call that whining, if you want, but it IS in fact, a suggestion and an alternative - which some selectively remembering dudes claim I never do or did - and a good one at that, because there was a time we (at least Toad) agreed to it too. Do you here about it any longer? Well, no, it's been put back in the freezer because it was prefered to play with simulations that, as yet, didn't fullfill their promises neither. Yeah, I do remember. At one point I considered helping hack the source, but it's just crazy in there. If only the protocol was documented somewhere so I could follow it through the source. Ah man, all this shite about I don't contribute anything valuable is so lame. That what gets incorporated is forgotten (like augmenting the htl a year ago), and that what I propose in vain and hasn't been implemented is deemed to be mere talk, because it hasn't proven itself. Well, duh. I've only been on the list for a year though. Certainly, I have become increasingly sarcastic, but it shows a lack of understanding if you fail to see what is the cause of it. When you entered the scene a year ago, when freenet was plunged into it's worst non-working period ever, then you might have a sense that it has progressed a lot - well, it hasn't. Not in the end-users viewpoint, anyway. Maybe for a coder, like toad, things are different: he codes, sees the code change, implements new things, so, in his perspective, things have become better...but IMHO, that counts for not much, if the enduser can't benefit from it. That's not putting a blame on the hard work of Toad, or saying 'I don't like toad', as you seem to think, it's just the way it is. I know the feeling. I'm a web developer, and all the time I spend speeding up the code in certain conditions is basically moot as far as the boss is concerned. He's a marketer. I actually started running a node in the 0.3 days, but I was on dialup. Now that was horrible. I've been following it on and off since then, but now I have a fast server it works ;) -- Phillip Hutchings http://www.sitharus.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
