Re: [freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible
On Tuesday 09 September 2008 18:15, Jelbert Holtrop wrote: Would it be possible to run a freenet node in a datacenter, that node will be set up to run with strangers. If I and my friends ( in a dark net) add that node as a friend we are alle connected to freenet and our identity is secure. Your identity is somewhat secure provided the node in the datacenter is secure, and the friends you add are trustworthy. Generally this sort of thing doesn't gain much performance unless it's the only way you can run a 24x7 node; most nodes don't manage output bandwidth over 70K/sec, and many nodes don't manage output bandwidth over 40K/sec. If I would make such a setup what would be the ammount of data bandwidth (the total amount of send and received data a day/month ) needed for such a node? Is it possible to fix the maximum amount of bandwith used? I would not like to receive a bill for going over my quota. You would need to set the bandwidth limits accordingly. We don't currently support a transfer limit/average bandwidth limit, but we do support bandwidth limits on both upstream and downstream bandwidth. If you give freenet a 20K/sec output limit, it shouldn't use much more than that, but make sure you include some slack. Jelbert On 9 Sep 2008, at 15:05, Evan Daniel wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:22 AM, bqz69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS minihowto, but I need an important question answered. How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some purpose, add reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet Friends, but is all on his own? This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about adding the very reference node (that I know already) Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find I need it explained in down to earth words? It is a very relevant question I hope. :-) Short answer: you don't. Longer answer: the point of the Friends nodes is that the nodes are run by people you trust (for some value of trust). In order for that to be meaningful, you have to know the person in some context other than as a potential person to swap noderefs with. If you only know them as someone to swap noderefs with, then it's not particularly more or less secure than the automatic Strangers connections -- in either case, the people you're connecting to might be Bad Guys in disguise. So, in order to add Friends nodes in a manner that actually improves your security, you have to find people you know who run freenet -- if you don't know any such, then the best thing to do is convince your friends to run freenet, and swap noderefs with them. There simply isn't a shortcut here; if you want better security than the Strangers mode offers, you need to have some non-freenet-based trust in the person you're connecting to. (However, there's no requirement that you know the person in real life -- online friends who you know from another context work fine too.) Exactly how much you need to trust the Friends you connect to will depend on your personal situation. Hope that clears things up... Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpmCZJFe99lK.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible
Would it be possible to run a freenet node in a datacenter, that node will be set up to run with strangers. If I and my friends ( in a dark net) add that node as a friend we are alle connected to freenet and our identity is secure. If I would make such a setup what would be the ammount of data bandwidth (the total amount of send and received data a day/month ) needed for such a node? Is it possible to fix the maximum amount of bandwith used? I would not like to receive a bill for going over my quota. Jelbert On 9 Sep 2008, at 15:05, Evan Daniel wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:22 AM, bqz69 wrote: >> I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS >> minihowto, but I need an important question answered. >> >> How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some >> purpose, add >> reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet >> Friends, >> but is all on his own? >> >> This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about >> adding the >> very reference node (that I know already) >> >> Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find >> >> I need it explained in down to earth words? >> >> It is a very relevant question I hope. :-) > > Short answer: you don't. > > Longer answer: the point of the Friends nodes is that the nodes are > run by people you trust (for some value of trust). In order for that > to be meaningful, you have to know the person in some context other > than as a potential person to swap noderefs with. If you only know > them as someone to swap noderefs with, then it's not particularly more > or less secure than the automatic Strangers connections -- in either > case, the people you're connecting to might be Bad Guys in disguise. > So, in order to add Friends nodes in a manner that actually improves > your security, you have to find people you know who run freenet -- if > you don't know any such, then the best thing to do is convince your > friends to run freenet, and swap noderefs with them. There simply > isn't a shortcut here; if you want better security than the Strangers > mode offers, you need to have some non-freenet-based trust in the > person you're connecting to. (However, there's no requirement that > you know the person in real life -- online friends who you know from > another context work fine too.) Exactly how much you need to trust > the Friends you connect to will depend on your personal situation. > > Hope that clears things up... > > Evan Daniel > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >
[freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible
I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS minihowto, but I need an important question answered. How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some purpose, add reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet Friends, but is all on his own? This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about adding the very reference node (that I know already) Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find I need it explained in down to earth words? It is a very relevant question I hope. :-)
[freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:22 AM, bqz69 wrote: > I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS > minihowto, but I need an important question answered. > > How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some purpose, add > reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet Friends, > but is all on his own? > > This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about adding the > very reference node (that I know already) > > Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find > > I need it explained in down to earth words? > > It is a very relevant question I hope. :-) Short answer: you don't. Longer answer: the point of the Friends nodes is that the nodes are run by people you trust (for some value of trust). In order for that to be meaningful, you have to know the person in some context other than as a potential person to swap noderefs with. If you only know them as someone to swap noderefs with, then it's not particularly more or less secure than the automatic Strangers connections -- in either case, the people you're connecting to might be Bad Guys in disguise. So, in order to add Friends nodes in a manner that actually improves your security, you have to find people you know who run freenet -- if you don't know any such, then the best thing to do is convince your friends to run freenet, and swap noderefs with them. There simply isn't a shortcut here; if you want better security than the Strangers mode offers, you need to have some non-freenet-based trust in the person you're connecting to. (However, there's no requirement that you know the person in real life -- online friends who you know from another context work fine too.) Exactly how much you need to trust the Friends you connect to will depend on your personal situation. Hope that clears things up... Evan Daniel
[freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible
I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS minihowto, but I need an important question answered. How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some purpose, add reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet Friends, but is all on his own? This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about adding the very reference node (that I know already) Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find I need it explained in down to earth words? It is a very relevant question I hope. :-) ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible
Would it be possible to run a freenet node in a datacenter, that node will be set up to run with strangers. If I and my friends ( in a dark net) add that node as a friend we are alle connected to freenet and our identity is secure. If I would make such a setup what would be the ammount of data bandwidth (the total amount of send and received data a day/month ) needed for such a node? Is it possible to fix the maximum amount of bandwith used? I would not like to receive a bill for going over my quota. Jelbert On 9 Sep 2008, at 15:05, Evan Daniel wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:22 AM, bqz69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS minihowto, but I need an important question answered. How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some purpose, add reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet Friends, but is all on his own? This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about adding the very reference node (that I know already) Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find I need it explained in down to earth words? It is a very relevant question I hope. :-) Short answer: you don't. Longer answer: the point of the Friends nodes is that the nodes are run by people you trust (for some value of trust). In order for that to be meaningful, you have to know the person in some context other than as a potential person to swap noderefs with. If you only know them as someone to swap noderefs with, then it's not particularly more or less secure than the automatic Strangers connections -- in either case, the people you're connecting to might be Bad Guys in disguise. So, in order to add Friends nodes in a manner that actually improves your security, you have to find people you know who run freenet -- if you don't know any such, then the best thing to do is convince your friends to run freenet, and swap noderefs with them. There simply isn't a shortcut here; if you want better security than the Strangers mode offers, you need to have some non-freenet-based trust in the person you're connecting to. (However, there's no requirement that you know the person in real life -- online friends who you know from another context work fine too.) Exactly how much you need to trust the Friends you connect to will depend on your personal situation. Hope that clears things up... Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
