[freenet-support] emperical evidence for what I say

2004-12-02 Thread Newsbyte
I'm being fed up to be called a troll and being 'non-helpful' and all that,
after what I've done for the project, because I basically say Freenet still
sucks. Well, this is the truth, and I have completed a test that also shows
this, so there can't be any discussion about it anymore. When I say Freenet
sucks, it's always from the perspective of the end-user, and thus, I have
done exactly what a user, trying out Freenet would do. Please note that I do
not exagerate or scew any numbers to my advantage or to prove my point: I
have done this with a clock aside me, and it has been done very minutely, I
can assure you.

First thing: on the freenetpage is (or at least was) talk about a minimum
integrationperiod of a copple of hours; as an addition (at least on the
wiki), it is said that it takes about two days to be 'fully integrated'. I
have been running my node for about 28 hours now, though not non-stop with a
period of 18 hours and one of about 10. (I doubt most newbies can afford to
let their node run nonstop neither). By that token, my node should at least
be 'reasonably' integrated.

My openconnections are:

  Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 41 (20/21/200)
  Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 29 (20/9)
  Data waiting to be transferred 3.780 Bytes
  Total amount of data transferred 184 MiB



Note that I do not have fantastic lines/ISPs/HD's/special seednodes etc.; I
only have an ordinary DSL on an ordinary computer.

I have done what every newbie would do, trying out freenet: going with
fproxy and klicking on the first freelink of the indexsites, which happens
to be The Freedom Engine. There, I just tried out the FIRST TEN freesites.
Note that I DID NOT pick out deliberately obscure or whatever sites; just
the first ten that appear on the indexsite. This is the result:

1) 174 sec, RNF
2) 87 sec, RNF
3) 255 sec, RNF
4) 139 sec, RNF
5) 1 sec, Sonax Flog appeared
6) 221 sec, DNF
7) 73 sec, RNF
8) 78 sec, RNF
9) 93 sec,  RNF
10) 76 sec, RNF


Thus,the endresult is having to wait huge amounts  of time, while of ten
freesites, only 1 appeared (and that so quickly, I suspect it was in my
cache from a former look at it). How can this be described anything else
then 'It's sucks'? The problem with all the counterarguments of how improved
freenet is, is *really* beside the actual day-to-day experience of new
endusers that have ordinary computers with ordinary connections. When I say
it sucks, it is NOT trolling, it is describing the situation as it actually
is, and as I now have demonstrated with emperical evidence, instead of just
falling in the same old 'it works bad - no it works good' discussion. There
can be no doubt that any newbie, after experiencing what I just have, would
say 'freenet sucks', and rightly so. I hope I have demonstrated that, from
the viewpoint of joe doe enduser, my claim was totally according to
observable reality.

I rest my case.

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Re: [freenet-support] emperical evidence for what I say

2004-12-02 Thread Phillip Hutchings
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:26:45 +0100, Newsbyte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 First thing: on the freenetpage is (or at least was) talk about a minimum
 integrationperiod of a copple of hours; as an addition (at least on the
 wiki), it is said that it takes about two days to be 'fully integrated'. I
 have been running my node for about 28 hours now, though not non-stop with a
 period of 18 hours and one of about 10. (I doubt most newbies can afford to
 let their node run nonstop neither). By that token, my node should at least
 be 'reasonably' integrated.

My node has been active for about a week. Before that it was active
for about 3 months, then the machine got rebooted.

 My openconnections are:
 
   Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 41 (20/21/200)
   Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 29 (20/9)
   Data waiting to be transferred 3.780 Bytes
   Total amount of data transferred 184 MiB
 
 Note that I do not have fantastic lines/ISPs/HD's/special seednodes etc.; I
 only have an ordinary DSL on an ordinary computer.

That seems a little low. When I ran it on my cable connection
(256/128) it did nearly a gigabyte in 24 hours. I can't check on my
current server because it's set to be a multi user system, so a lot of
the applets are disabled.

I don't have time to do a test with a new node now, but I can load the
front page icons in around 10 minutes. I'm having some connectivity
issues from here to my server at the moment though.

If freenet wasn't such a resource hog I'd run another instance in a
UML parition on that server just to see how quickly it can integrate.
I would estimate 3-5 days based on the last time I started a new node.


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Phillip Hutchings
http://www.sitharus.com/
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