Re: help for newbie, and some python
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/6/3 Anthony Winter aw...@sayne.org: OK, good start. But - assuming that it does run from a command line (and I still haven't found a terminal yet, but there must be one somewhere), what are the steps in getting it run by 'clicking' on an icon, in paroli/illume? That's the missing bit... i assumed you were connected via ssh, and could get at a terminal that way er no, I want to write apps that will be used on the phone. In the field. In a hurry, sometimes. i can't remember if there is a terminal in om2009 or not - i think there is, and it's pretty good. have you discovered illume ie the desktop yet? if not, you might want to go to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli#FAQ specifically, how do i get illume? I have discovered it, and while the initial frustration level has receded, I still haven't got the hang of it yet. I'm beginning to see why Apple have captured the non-geek market. where all your questions will be answered Not really. For example, the OM2009 link is to Elementary, which looks neat, but a) it's not gtk, and b) it's in C, and life (and in particular, the possible life of a Neo) is too short to write apps in C. So I need something with python bindings. the wiki is great, have search - there's mountains of useful info there Weel, there is a lot there, but I haven't yet found the key to doing what I want... -- Ant ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: help for newbie, and some python
Hi, I have some similar problems too. 1. First, if I make opkg update, I receive a lot of Signature check failed messages. I know these are only warnings, but in the end I also receive this: Collected errors: * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.gz, error 404 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.sig, error 404 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.sig, error 404 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.sig, error 404 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404 * Failed to download http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/all/Packages.sig, error 404 * Failed to download http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/Packages.sig, error 404 * Failed to download http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/neo1973/Packages.sig, error 404 * Failed to download http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/om-gta01/Packages.sig, error 404 This makes me think the updates don't work. Because of this, I can't install some packages, because I receive: Package package_name md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update' I've read this may be a DNS problem, but my /etc/resolv.conf file is similar with that from my local machine, so I can't clear this up. 2. The second problem and the more important one is about using Python with Dbus. I have this little program which should make a phone call on a number: #!/usr/bin/env python import dbus bus = dbus.SessionBus() proxy = bus.get_object(org.openmoko.Dialer, /org/openmoko/Dialer) interface = dbus.Interface(object, org.openmoko.Dialer) interface.Dial(12345) But when I make dbus-launch python my_program or simply python my_program, I receive this: Traceback (most recent call last): File test.py, line 2, in module import dbus File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/__init__.py, line 100, in module from dbus._dbus import Bus, SystemBus, SessionBus, StarterBus File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/_dbus.py, line 46, in module from dbus.bus import BusConnection File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/bus.py, line 26, in module import logging ImportError: No module named logging If I try a simple command line which also makes a phone call: dbus-send --print-reply --dest=org.openmoko.Dialer /org/openmoko/Dialer org.openmoko.Dialer.Dial string:12345 or a simple dbus-monitor command, I receive this: Failed to open connection to session message bus: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed. I'm kind of stuck in these problems. Thank you in advance. Best regards, Ovidiu --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Anthony Winter aw...@sayne.org wrote: From: Anthony Winter aw...@sayne.org Subject: Re: help for newbie, and some python To: Support for Openmoko Device Owners support@lists.openmoko.org Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 9:55 AM On Wed, 03 Jun 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/6/3 Anthony Winter aw...@sayne.org: OK, good start. But - assuming that it does run from a command line (and I still haven't found a terminal yet, but there must be one somewhere), what are the steps in getting it run by 'clicking' on an icon, in paroli/illume? That's the missing bit... i assumed you were connected via ssh, and could get at a terminal that way er no, I want to write apps that will be used on the phone. In the field. In a hurry, sometimes. i can't remember if there is a terminal in om2009 or not - i think there is, and it's pretty good. have you discovered illume ie the desktop yet? if not, you might want to go to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli#FAQ specifically, how do i get illume? I have discovered it, and while the initial frustration level has receded, I still haven't got the hang of it yet. I'm beginning to see why Apple have captured the non-geek market. where all your questions will be answered Not really. For example, the OM2009 link is to Elementary, which looks neat, but a) it's not gtk, and b) it's in C, and life (and in particular, the possible life of a Neo) is too short to write apps in C. So I need something with python bindings. the wiki is great, have search - there's mountains of useful info there Weel, there is a lot there, but I haven't yet found the key to doing what I want... -- Ant ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: help for newbie, and some python
--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Ovidiu Gavril ovidiu_gav...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry, I forgot to say that I'm using om2008.12 release. I have the impression that most active development recently has gone into the om2009 release: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009#Installing I think the om2008.12 release is a bit of a dead end. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: help for newbie, and some python
I have the impression that most active development recently has gone into the om2009 release: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009#Installing I think the om2008.12 release is a bit of a dead end. yes, OM009 is a good direction to go to and the link above (also check the Paroli wiki page) will tell you a lot you need to know. Also have a look at http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX to get some tips of things you might want to install/run there. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: help for newbie, and some python
On Wednesday 03 June 2009, Anthony Winter wrote: On Wed, 03 Jun 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/6/3 Anthony Winter aw...@sayne.org: OK, good start. But - assuming that it does run from a command line (and I still haven't found a terminal yet, but there must be one somewhere), what are the steps in getting it run by 'clicking' on an icon, in paroli/illume? That's the missing bit... i assumed you were connected via ssh, and could get at a terminal that way er no, I want to write apps that will be used on the phone. In the field. In a hurry, sometimes. Create a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications, in this case probably called /usr/share/applications/base.desktop. The easiest way to do this is probably to copy and modify one of the other files in that directory, but the format itself is standard: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ For the icon to appear in the illume launcher the Categories entry has to include Applications. i can't remember if there is a terminal in om2009 or not - i think there is, and it's pretty good. have you discovered illume ie the desktop yet? if not, you might want to go to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli#FAQ specifically, how do i get illume? I have discovered it, and while the initial frustration level has receded, I still haven't got the hang of it yet. I'm beginning to see why Apple have captured the non-geek market. where all your questions will be answered Not really. For example, the OM2009 link is to Elementary, which looks neat, but a) it's not gtk, and b) it's in C, and life (and in particular, the possible life of a Neo) is too short to write apps in C. So I need something with python bindings. Elementary also has python bindings, but if you prefer to stick to gtk you can. You may need to install gtk and its python bindings if they aren't in Om2009 by default. Installing the bindings should pull in the required gtk packages: opkg install python-pygtk Depending on what you're doing you may need other packages as opkg is more granular than most package managers. You can check what's available with something like: opkg list |grep gtk opkg list |grep python the wiki is great, have search - there's mountains of useful info there Weel, there is a lot there, but I haven't yet found the key to doing what I want... ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Stylus replacement button cells
The original cells are labeled GP192, searching the web I found equivalent cells labeled LR41 AG3. But when I put 4 of them into the stylus, the laser beam was very weak and became weaker very fast. Is this cell type not suitable for the stylus? I bought this button cells in a set, 6 different types with 6 cells each for just € 3.00, and I tried 3 cells of type LR754 AG5, they work great and the laser beam is as if the stylus was new. Should I put this to the FAQ, and if yes, to which section? Hardware? Misc? A new section Accessoires? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Tuesday 02 June 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/6/2 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk: On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: there's no incentive i can see to stay with uboot You probably don't have 4 different distros on your SD then ;-) no, i don't. but it doesn't look like it will be long before qi can do multi-boot http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Boot_Menu It's been done already - there was a thread about building the minimal kernel and rootfs, and using it to kexec into the one you really want to boot. Unfortunately that takes up another partition that I just don't have spare due to the kernel limitation on partitions in mmcblk devices, and android's thirst for partitions. This could be worked around too, but as I already have a working uboot setup there doesn't seem much point. I've nothing against Qi, but in my case uboot is the better tool for the job. What one could do is create an initramfs and build it directly into the kernel. The small rootfs would exist with the boot kernel on any desired partition (say partition 0), taking up no more partitions than already used. The initramfs must be pregenerated. The command to create the initramfs is: find . | cpio --quiet -H newc -o | gzip -9 -n /usr/src/boot-initrd.cpio.gz Place the initramfs into the kernel source tree, and then something like this config option should be used: CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE=boot-initrd.cpio.gz It's relatively easy to tell when the initrd makes it into the kernel, just look at its size! -- Kevin Day ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: help for newbie, and some python
Ok, but if I install OM2009, is it a sure way to solve my problems? I'm more interested in Dbus problem than the opkg update problem. Thanks, Ovidiu --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: From: Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi Subject: Re: help for newbie, and some python To: halbtaxabo...@yahoo.com, Support for Openmoko Device Owners support@lists.openmoko.org Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 2:05 PM I have the impression that most active development recently has gone into the om2009 release: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009#Installing I think the om2008.12 release is a bit of a dead end. yes, OM009 is a good direction to go to and the link above (also check the Paroli wiki page) will tell you a lot you need to know. Also have a look at http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX to get some tips of things you might want to install/run there. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
On Wednesday 03 June 2009, Kevin Day wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Tuesday 02 June 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/6/2 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk: On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: there's no incentive i can see to stay with uboot You probably don't have 4 different distros on your SD then ;-) no, i don't. but it doesn't look like it will be long before qi can do multi-boot http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Boot_Menu It's been done already - there was a thread about building the minimal kernel and rootfs, and using it to kexec into the one you really want to boot. Unfortunately that takes up another partition that I just don't have spare due to the kernel limitation on partitions in mmcblk devices, and android's thirst for partitions. This could be worked around too, but as I already have a working uboot setup there doesn't seem much point. I've nothing against Qi, but in my case uboot is the better tool for the job. What one could do is create an initramfs and build it directly into the kernel. The small rootfs would exist with the boot kernel on any desired partition (say partition 0), taking up no more partitions than already used. That's one of several possible workarounds, but it's not very helpful given that the partitions tend to get reformatted and have a new tarball extracted over them fairly often. The workarounds all involve extra work for little gain. One thing that would fix it would be if Qi would check the last partition, which may be a partition that is outside the kernel partition limit. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: help for newbie, and some python
On Wednesday 03 June 2009, Ovidiu Gavril wrote: Ok, but if I install OM2009, is it a sure way to solve my problems? I'm more interested in Dbus problem than the opkg update problem. Om2009 is using paroli and frameworkd, both of which are written in python, and communicate using dbus, so you shouldn't have any problems with it. I don't know anything about the org.openmoko.Dialer dbus interface you are using, but I guess it is now replaced by frameworkd. I don't think I ever tried Om2008.12, but afaik it didn't make much use of dbus or python. I guess you would have had to install extra packages to get them working, but it looks like you are missing a python package, and the dbus session bus isn't started despite your use of dbus-launch. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
[om2009-r4] Warren's Settings Worked for Me (was Re: Om2009 testing release 4)
A critical friend of mine who has mocked my purchase of an unfinished phone just told me that our connection was as good as a landline! I followed Warren's advice below and lowered control.5 to 80 (I'm naturally conservative) which has (so far) completely removed the previously unbearable buzz my friend had observed on the other end of the conversation. Wow. Now I might not need to solder in a new capacitor! For the demi-newbie: Open /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state Scroll down to control.5 and in that section change the line under 'Mono Playback Volume' from value 110 to value 80. Save file. Call OM skeptic. Gloat. Warren said: I've always had people complain that they got a lot of static when they called me - I thought I had the buzz problem in fact. I just spent the time to figure out how to use alsamixer to tweak things, and if I set control.5 (Mono Playback Volume) to 83 from above 100 like I've seen in other gsmhandset.state files (ranging from 100 to 110 seems normal), I get a perfectly clear signal on the other end. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
