Re: [FSO] milestone V on GTA01 - U-Boot updates
Too bad, but it raises some questions: 1.Is it only the GTA01 you don't have a debug board for? 2.Otherwise, how can you at all develop for it, because that must mean that all your development must be made without any testing? 3.Or do you have some tricks that are unknown to the rest of us? 4.I have never understood why it should be possible to brick the Neo1973 for any reason, because if you have prepared at least one 'safe' entry point you should always be able to at least get to that. Or what is the problem? 5.Then, I would like to know what exactly your new uboot does, as it must be more than just being able to boot from a +4GB positioned partition? Ad.5 I would hope that it would be able to boot from a selectable set of kernels, that would then be able to continue booting a selectable set of root partitions? Can you please elaborate? Peter Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 02:41:17AM +0200, Peter Rasmussen wrote: I would love to do some testing, and I have a 6GB micro-SD dedicated for it, but I have no access to a debug board, so if I brick my Neo1973 I'm screwed :-) However, if you do have a debug board, and you live in the neighborhood of Copenhagen we could work something out. I live in Rødovre. No, I don't have a debug board either. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [FSO] milestone V on GTA01 - U-Boot updates
I would love to do some testing, and I have a 6GB micro-SD dedicated for it, but I have no access to a debug board, so if I brick my Neo1973 I'm screwed :-) However, if you do have a debug board, and you live in the neighborhood of Copenhagen we could work something out. I live in Rødovre. Peter Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:30:01PM +0200, Peter Rasmussen wrote: 3. Enable using multiple kernels and rootfs systems using multi-GB SDHC flash cards? U-Boot probably needs a patch for the Neo1973 to fully work with such cards, just like it did for the Freerunner: https://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2009-March/009573.html I can write the patch, but I need someone to test it. Requirements: 1) A partition starting above 4 GB large enough to hold the kernel, i.e. a few MB. 2) Not being afraid to flash U-Boot and edit the environment. 3) A debug board just in case the new U-Boot fails completely. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [FSO] milestone V on GTA01
This actually brings me to an issue that I have thought of for a while: Is there, or could there be made a list for us people with only interest in the GTA01? For some reason I have lost what FSO milestone V is, and that kind of bothers me when I now read this posting. I would therefore like to explore the possibilities of the Neo1973, where I for now mostly is able to test and provide detailed reports on the tests. Later I may be able to also do some development. My list of interests in priority order is as of right now: 1.Voice calls and the stability thereof. 2.Text message editing, SMS, and the stability thereof. 3.Arranging of contacts in regard to usage with voice calls and SMS. 4.Using European language character sets in SMS, hopefully later also with double byte character sets. 5.Handling of received and sent SMS messages. 6.Playing MP3 files over the headset, either by file or by folder. 7.Using the GPS device to get a fix of current position. Details like handling of ring/vibration signals from incoming voice calls and messages are of course also high on the list, but difficult to put into the list because I don't know how difficult it is to deal with in the present stack. Anyway, I would still like to ask for the interest in having this in a NEo1973 forum only, as that would filter FR issues, but would eventually provide a stable platform that would also benefit FR users. So, how do we: 1. Create and debug SW for the Neo1973? 2. Build Neo1973 images? 3. Enable using multiple kernels and rootfs systems using multi-GB SDHC flash cards? I still think that we, the owners of a Neo1973, are a great group that just needs to find each other and figure out what to do with this platform. Let me know what you think, Peter Tilman Baumann wrote: On 27.03.2009, at 15:22, Sten Kvamme wrote: Hello, Installed FSO milestone V on my GTA01 today and found out USB networking is moved to modules. O good to hear. Looking forward to set a statical MAC address for USB networking again. (module parameters) The changing macs really annoy me on osx. What is the easiest way to enable USB networking? Sorry, no idea. Just realised the benefit for me. :) ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Not supporitng GTA01? [Was: [openmoko-announce] Om 2008.12 Beyond]
Funny comment, as are too many of those from the OpenMoko camp :-( My Neo1973 was from one of the first, if not the first batch sent out to regular people and nobody was more excited about OpenMoko than I. Sean probably doesn't remember it, but if he has saved his mails, he'll have the mail trail. 1.The Neo1973, the GTA01, was promoted as the final developer's version of a platform that would be the open source version of iPhone. When it shipped, it couldn't even boot the image it was shipped with!?! 2.The follow up to the Neo1973, then just known as the GTA02 was supposed to be a general available phone for the masses, in September 2006. 3.Let me repeat that: The GTA02 was supposed to be a general available phone for the masses, in September 2006! 4.However, since then, the GTA01 and the GTA02 were rebranded as developer's versions of a platform that will be OK, real soon now! 5.The GTA01 was apparently orphaned and is now a 'collectors item'. So I paid $500USD for a potential collectors item? (item cost+handling +tax) for which I am not happy, as I appreciate it's potential huge value in the hardware it is made up of. 6.The OpenMoko camp failed miserably in many ways, of which the most obvious, as is unfortunately the usual scene, the management failed to understand their task. 7.If the GTA0? was to be a developer's platform, then why wasn't it developed as such? 7.A A developer's platform will contain elements as 'focus on making it easy to produce an environment to develop the kernel and platform software' 7.B A developer's platform will produce easy communication between *all* developers and not just the primadonnas that are good enough to make *something work, *but apparently not to talk with the lesser able in order to make a whole team work for the whole. 8.I am not a highly efficient core developer type, but more on the later wave, and as a tester. I can do module and system test very well with reports that will be useful for core system developers, see for example Openmoko Bug #1158. So, if the OpenMoko team at FIC is serious about supporting the community, please communicate it much more clearly, and don't think you have the backing the size of the Linux kernel! You see, apparently you haven't been able to after now several years, create an image on the Neo 1973 that will not run out of juice even when apparently shut off, after 12 hours. Colour me unimpressed! The calorie meter you have on the GTA02 should only be able to tell you better values to show on the display, but if you had better control of the actual electric consumption it should last better than 12hours, after apparently shutting off the device. Colour me unimpressed! Then, you are apparently trying to develop this device to the whole world, but aren't able to, after more than a year able to produce support for anything else than the US ASCII character set when writing SMS. And FIC being in a Chinese country that actually needs double byte character sets, I am amazed that it wasn't in the first image! Colour me unimpressed! So, the whole situation reeks of a top management problem to recognize the issues of making a platform that has the basic problems at issue, instead of letting everyone on the FIC/OpenMoko payroll know that producing a working platform for everyone else is important. Sean Moss-Pultz hasn't done his job. I work as a developer for Motorola, but with infrastructure not the mobile handset divisions, and there a number of people have also lately not done their job well, but we still sell multi-million handsets a year and have since 1973, so at least a history has been made. OpenMoko still has to. My Neo1973 looks more an more like a door stop, and my friends with iPhones, HTC Touch and such understands my original excitement less and less! Peter Markus Fischer wrote: ...at least the NEO 1973 will for sure be a collectors item! OpenMoko was and still is for developpers purpose. Let's see what round 03 will bring ;-) Cheers Am Dienstag 23 Dezember 2008 15:57:29 schrieb Gothnet: Craig Woodward wrote: I disagree for one simple reason: There has yet to be a stable kernel and interface for any GTA* phone from which to build. There are releases that are labeled stable, but most of them crash after a short time, or have major bugs that prevent the hardware from working like a normal phone for any length of time. This is the same concern I have had when developers talk about improvements and not doing anything FR specific because they want to concentrate effort on stuff that will improve the experience on the 03 I've got this horrible feeling we'll be left with an unsupported device that never really did the basics properly. I hope the FSO/OM2009 release next year will get us there, but I'm lacking in faith right now. I'd be pretty annoyed if I owned a 1973. ___
[Fwd: [openmoko-announce] Om 2008.12 Beyond]
Anyone knows how this will work with the Neo 1973 (GTA01)? I would like to just go ahead and see how it works, but as the release notes have this warning: *WARNING:* It is recommended that you back up your Neo prior to installing any updates. Do not attempt to install 2008.12 to the Neo 1973 (GTA01). It is not compatible with this earlier model. So it seems that it may not be such a good idea. However, I do believe I have seen posts about GTA01, GTA02 and an upcoming GTA03 being similar from what they expect from the HW that I actually don't understand this warning?! Will an attempt to install it brick my GTA01? Thanks for any clarification, Peter ---BeginMessage--- Dear Community, The latest testing image for Om 2008 has been uploaded to our stable branch. This is the fastest image to date. Om 2008.12 is recommended for current users of Om 2008.9 and/or prior images. It includes general operating system improvements that enhance the speed and stability of your Neo. To install the 2008.12 update on the Neo FreeRunner, download the Root Filesystem and the Kernel image files from: Root Filesystem http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Kernel http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin **Note that flashing the Neo FreeRunner will overwrite all your existing data, so remember to do a backup. There's also an upgrade path, but only the clean upgrade from Om2008.9 has been tested. Please check: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/037457.html A full test report from our QA team can be found here: http://people.openmoko.org/testing/software/GTA02/Testreport/Om2008.12-2/Om2008.12.2_test_report.pdf Release notes along with known issues are here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.12_Update Many of you know that most of who's left here are focused on the next major release, Om 2009. Although a date has not been set for this release, we're working around the globe, day and night, to get the right pieces to fit. For starters, here are some updates on our current work plans: * merging om.dev back to OE upstream * updating to andy tracking following this release * paroli: http://code.google.com/p/paroli Thanks everybody for you patience (and endurance). May the best days be ahead of us. Openmoko Team This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ---End Message--- ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Is there a dfu-util that can successfully backup an existing flash?
This sounds great, and I have some questions regarding it. I have a GTA01bv4 and wonder if it will be working on that one as well? Which leads me to what I am always worried about when updating uBoot: How do I know it won't brick my Neo? I only have the basic version with no debug card, and I don't know any in the neighborhood with one, so I haven't updated my uBoot for quite some time (Now it is: July 5. 2008). Except for the mentioned fix, how do I know about potential important fixes to uBoot? Thanks, Peter Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: William Kenworthy wrote: Is there a dfu-util that can successfully backup an existing flash? IIRC Harald Welte has pushed a patch for fixing this in uBoot. If you update uBoot to git you should be able to do that... BTW that method is slower than the one suggested above (since it copies all the 256Mb of the flash). ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Status on GTA01?
Having fetched some images from http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ during September and wondered where we are going, I'm now finally taking the opportunity to ask. What is the version of uboot, kernel and root image that gets the most out of the GTA01 hardware? With the images from above, I don't seem to get a UI that shows a phone, but more some screens that wants to install or update the system. I don't suppose it matters whether I have a SIM in or not? Runing Qtopia 4.3.2 from some time ago, it looks more like a real phone, and I wonder if Qtopia releases are in fact the best path for GTA01 users? Peter ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Om2008.8 release today?
I just tried this image set (kernel+rootfs) on a Neo1973 and got a panic when attempting to boot into the SD card. However, when booting into the NAND resident image it boots up all right. Only u-boot and the kernel image should be the same for the two. This is actually first time that I have met the situation that I am not able to boot he same rootfs image when copied to the SD card, but I am when booting into the image on the resident NAND on the Neo1973. Peter Tim Dobson wrote: andylockran wrote: Once I get a microSD card, can I run om2008.08 on my 1973? Hi andy, There are images: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200808/20080807/ So I assume so... I'm not saying i recommend it my any means... ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
