Re: Problems with broken distro and AUX
Can you dismantle the case enough to access the switch body and press it possibly with a screwdriver top? It may only be the platic button thats broken, not the switch. BillK On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 06:29 +, Maciej Piechotka wrote: > Some time ago I broke my AUX button so I cannot access NAND/NOR > bootloader. What worst some time after I broke distro during update and > I cannot access neither by ssh nor by X11 (keyboard is not displayed). > > I will have an access to debug board in two weeks or I may ask someone > but is it possible to somehow fix it (with or without debug board)? > > Regards > > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: need sugestions
Yes its easy to solve if you know how routing and networking works. But the people who are getting caught time and time again are those who are new to FR, often new to networking and linux in general and need help with arcane settings to fix it. Not insoluble, but easily avoidable if they had chosen some obscure number in the first place. Add to that even those of us who know what they are doing have to either reconfigure the FR every reflash or upgrade, or redesign our network(s) in order to add it in with minimal ongoing disruption - why oh why didnt they go dhcp like everybody else does! BillK On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 12:29 -0500, Nelson Castillo wrote: > > Using that IP was one of the dummest design decisions ... > > Isn't it easy to solve this problem with iptables? > Or with a specific route entry? > > Perhaps it should go to a FAQ. > > Once you get to log in for the first time you can change that IP en > /etc/network/interfaces . -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: need sugestions
On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 12:26 +0100, arne anka wrote: > > Kernel IP routing table > > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt > > Iface > > 192.168.0.202 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 0 0 > > usb0 > > 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 > > usb0 > > > where does that come from? > _202_ has to be the freerunner -- ie no interface on your host and now > other device in your network is allowed to have that ip. > > if you already assigned some other device that ip, you will not be able to > reach the fr. not just device, but do you have a 192.168.0.0/24 network on your PC already? Using that IP was one of the dummest design decisions ... BillK ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Drained battery
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 01:21 +1100, Glenn L. McGrath wrote: > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:39:54 +0530 > max wrote: > > > I am attempting to switch on my Freerunner after quite a few months. > > However, it just doesn't turn on. > > > tried booting with USB power. Nothing worked. Any suggestions other than > > getting a new battery? :-) > > I dont think its mentioned in the wiki, but when booting via USB power > you need to use the USB cable supplied with the openmoko. > > If you have another USB cable it wont supply enough power to allow it > to boot, USB cables have some sort of id built in which is required to > allow a higher current than the USB spec specifies to be supplied. > > With the USB cable supplied it should be able to boot without the > battery. > > > > Glenn I think you have it rather mixed up. These are standard usb cables - any one with the right connector is ok. The wall charger, which uses a usb connector on one end (its NOT a proper usb cable as its for power only), has a resister connected between two pins to tell the FR that its capable of supplying 1A. The usb data cables supplied are standard. Early hardware (GTA02A5?) - cannot supply enough current to boot from USB. The mods were both software (u-boot and then Qi) to stagger the startup inrush of current as various parts were powered up (hence make sure you upgrade u-boot or Qi) and add extra capacitance so the voltage doesnt dip as far power is applied. I cant point you to a reference for this, but I am sure one of those involved will jump in (or on me :) if I have got it wrong. BillK ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Drained battery
Read and try "ALL" the suggestions listed on the wiki - they do work! remove battery for 30 seconds and replace. Leave it overnight on the wall charger remove battery for 30 seconds and replace. Ive found that removing the battery briefly and allow the undercharge cutoff to reset (maybe bad terminiology?). Without this, Ive found that the phone often fails to charge/start if the battery is completely flat. Use a nokia battery as listed on the wiki (borrow one - they are really common) to jump start it as per the instructions on the wiki - this should always start the phone if its ok, then swap batteries and see how yours charges. Once up, make sure you have a recent u-boot or Qi - some of the earlier phones had versions that made starting with a flat battery more difficult that it needed to be. BillK On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 10:39 +0530, max wrote: > I am attempting to switch on my Freerunner after quite a few months. > However, it just doesn't turn on. > > I was trying some suggestions from the following page: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Can.27t_boot_with_discharged_or_missing_battery_.28FIXED.29 > . I have the external charger, I tried booting into the AUX menu, tried > booting with USB power. Nothing worked. Any suggestions other than getting a > new battery? :-) > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Good things to report
Depends on what you have changed/modified, uname shows only the kernel, and the same kernel is often used across multiple ditros/versions of distro. You will understand the mess when you get an OM/SHR environment :) Whats really needed is something like gentoo's "emerge --info" command which prints a system profile. BillK On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 23:55 -0400, Seth Rothenberg wrote: > I have a funny question... > > >> What: > >> distro > >> version (date) > >> sms app you are using > >> kernel > >> mods you have made to the image > > Is it possible to get this info from a single command, > like "uname -a" > Or, is there an "explore" command as found on some OS's? > > I could imagine distro,version,date, and kernel could all > show up in uname -a > though I am not an OS developer, > and don't have an OM/SHR development environment yet. > > Thanks > > _______ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Good things to report
What: distro version (date) sms app you are using kernel mods you have made to the image Without this, its unlikely you will get a useful reply ... BillK On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 00:23 -0400, Paul wrote: > Today, my freerunner performed when I needed it to, this has not > happened to me before. I was able to make and receive phone calls and > as an added bonus, the GPS worked as well. > > I am still running into an issue when sending text messages to certain > numbers where I get a message from my carrier saying I need to put a > valid 10 digit number. I am sending from my contact list and it is > listed as a 10 digit number yet the message receive prepends a 1 to > the number. > > Any ideas? > > -- > Paul > Email - pault...@gmail.com > > There were moments when he looked on evil simply as a mode through > which he could realize his conception of the beautiful. > Oscar Wilde - The Picture of Dorian Gray > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: OM2008.12 - basic usage instructions?
Then the wiki needs to do something for people NOW. They buy a freerunner, see that the next version in the progression is 2008.12 and flash accordingly with the resulting questions here, and a really bad user experience - they are at where we were months ago - ready to throw the FR at a wall - HARD! Perhaps snapshot shr-testing and get the wiki to point to that - its far more usable than anything else Ive tried and then keep it up to date. This "stable version" release stuff is bullshit - you need something stable for this to be viable. Otherwise, when a package is fixed, release it NOW, not hold off on it. Point I am making, OM/community need to do something NOW for the newcommers to the FR to improve the user experience, not say better is coming when it never actually arrives - after buying my FR in the first batch last year, that excuse is wearing thin ... Sorry, wading through trying to build shr-unstable when there are "old" errors in the build process that have not been fixed - puts me in a bad mood ... g! BillK On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 00:04 +0200, Johny Tenfinger wrote: > But why to waste time with docummenting unsupported software? Om2008 > is deprecated. If you want to be supported, you have to use some FSO > based system (SHR, Om2009). > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Wifi issues in SHR-Testing
On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 19:38 +0100, Johny Tenfinger wrote: > If you want to connect with open network, you don't have to add it > manually to that file. In future shr-settings will have WiFi manager > based on FSO dbus calls. > Hopefully it will use wpa-supplicant and not go off and do something weird and non-standard like the rest of the FR. BillK ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: reading mail
On Sun, 2009-02-08 at 19:39 +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/2/8 Seth Rothenberg : > > I have a funny question. > > I am going to be travelling, > > and hopefully will get my FR online somehow ... > > yep, i get my gmail on the fr, via imap in qtmail on 2008.12 > > it's slow as hell, and the connection often times out, but it's > excellent having my e-mail with me wherever i go, and have the ability > to read whatever attachments i get sent > by slow - how many emails? It used to be very slow with a few dozen, and impossible if you have a large inbox - is this still the case? (I last tried with an early 2008) BillK ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
mokomakefile
Ive had a few goes at using mokomakefile to build and failed at various points. I'm having another go - can anyone confirm that it can build a viable image? and that by uncommenting the two git lines, it will build the latest testing? I want to get at the source of the qtopia stuff used in 2008.12 to trace a few things, and maybe modify to add the echo suppression etc. BillK -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Can't create bug ticket
This is interesting - you have similar uart settings to mine! Some things that might be useful: minicom, set to 115200,8,n,1 hardware flow control Stop X stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 sane stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 "1:0:800018b2:0:0:0:7f:15:4:5:1:0:0:0:0:0:12:f:17:16:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0" (the above is one line - sets the uart) Once you are happy the uart is talking ok, try restarting X and see what happens. What I have been looking at so far is that my uart isnt being initialised properly by some software (such as the mux) And its already obvious to me that at least two variants of uart configs exist (see bug #2215 for the one that works with the mux) Hint: be nice if others could check and see what their uart shows if they are having connection problems :) BillK On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 20:04 -0800, danek wrote: > I don't have /dev/ttSAC0 ... I'm going to assume ttySAC0 is the same thing. > > Below I have the output from 2007.2/2008.4, since it's the most recent thing > I flashed (to try using GSM manually) > > If you think another distribution would give different output that would be > more useful for your purposes, let me know. > > My modem did work with FSO (I used milestone 3 briefly, and milestone 4 for > a little bit longer) when it worked. I never got a chance to try SHR while > it was working. I never tried debugging my modem while it was working, so I > don't know what parts of its behavior are normal and what parts are new. > > r...@om-gta02:~# stty -a -F /dev/tty > /dev/tty /dev/tty1 /dev/tty3 /dev/ttySAC0 /dev/ttySAC2 > /dev/tty0 /dev/tty2 /dev/tty4 /dev/ttySAC1 > r...@om-gta02:~# stty -a -F /dev/ttySAC0 > speed 115200 baud; rows 24; columns 80; > intr = ^C; quit = ^\; erase = ^?; kill = ^U; eof = ^D; eol = ; > eol2 = ; start = ^Q; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; rprnt = ^R; werase = ^W; > lnext = ^V; flush = ^O; min = 1; time = 0; > -parenb -parodd cs8 -hupcl -cstopb cread clocal crtscts > -ignbrk -brkint -ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr -icrnl -ixon > -ixoff -iuclc -ixany -imaxbel > -opost -olcuc -ocrnl -onlcr -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel nl0 cr0 tab0 bs0 > vt0 > ff0 > -isig -icanon -iexten -echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -xcase -tostop > -echoprt > echoctl echoke > r...@om-gta02:~# stty -g -F /dev/ttySAC0 > 0:0:800018b2:a30:3:1c:7f:15:4:0:1:0:11:13:1a:0:12:f:17:16:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0 > > > William Kenworthy wrote: > > > > I would appreciate it if you could send me the results of: > > > > stty -a -F /dev/ttSAC0 > > stty -g -F /dev/ttSAC0 > > > > Gives me some more data for my problem > > > > Tks, > > BillK > > > -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Can't create bug ticket
I would appreciate it if you could send me the results of: stty -a -F /dev/ttSAC0 stty -g -F /dev/ttSAC0 Gives me some more data for my problem Tks, BillK On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 19:02 -0800, danek wrote: > Not the same... Mine doesn't work in 2007.2 (I gues they call it 2008.4 now) > either. > > I've tried three different phone stacks: gsmd (or whatever the phone stack > in 2007.2/2008.4 is properly called), qtopia (both plain qtopia and several > flavors of 2008.8+), and FSO. None work. > > > William Kenworthy wrote: > > > > Danek, can you have a look at bug #2215 ans see if its the same as the > > problem I am having? - serial comms with the gsm chip isnt working with > > gsm0710muxd based distros. > > > > BillK > > > > On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 10:15 -0800, danek wrote: > >> Hi everybody > >> > >> I am having a problem with my GTA02 not registering GSM. It was working > >> for > >> many months, and suddenly stopped registering one day last month, and > >> hasn't > > > > > > > > _______ > > support mailing list > > support@lists.openmoko.org > > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > > > > -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Can't create bug ticket
Danek, can you have a look at bug #2215 ans see if its the same as the problem I am having? - serial comms with the gsm chip isnt working with gsm0710muxd based distros. BillK On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 10:15 -0800, danek wrote: > Hi everybody > > I am having a problem with my GTA02 not registering GSM. It was working for > many months, and suddenly stopped registering one day last month, and hasn't ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Took my FR apart and there is a bit left over after putting it back together ...
Bottom photo at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973, where the gsm antenna track dissappears around the corner :( Now you know whats "around the corner" Out with the soldering iron - better sacrifice some chickens first I think ... BillK On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 15:51 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote: > Hi, I thought I would have a look inside the front of my FR (gta02v5) - > but a little silver contact fell out in the process. The phone still > works, but where this bit fits mystifies me (its not on any diagram I > can see) - so, can anyone recognise where it goes? > > image at http://wdk.dyndns.org/p148a.jpg > > BillK > > -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Took my FR apart and there is a bit left over after putting it back together ...
Hi, I thought I would have a look inside the front of my FR (gta02v5) - but a little silver contact fell out in the process. The phone still works, but where this bit fits mystifies me (its not on any diagram I can see) - so, can anyone recognise where it goes? image at http://wdk.dyndns.org/p148a.jpg BillK -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
QModemSMSReader::cpmsDone(bool, const QAtResult&) Giving up on CPMS.... it keeps failing. how to escalate?
I am often seeing this in the log on startup: Jan 20 16:07:22 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : "AT+CPMS="SM"" Jan 20 16:07:22 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : "+CPMS: 0,20,0,20,0,20" Jan 20 16:07:22 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : "OK" Jan 20 16:07:22 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem : void QModemSMSReader::cpmsDone(bool, const QAtResult&) Giving up on CPMS it keeps failing. how to escalate? Could this be the reason I miss so many SMS messages??? BillK -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Experiences with GTA02 and OM2008.12 (was part of the "Brick" thread)
Question: I have 2008.12 and have set the feeds to testing - however I have seen only one update (I think) to e come through (opkg update;opkg upgrade). To get the latest goodies should we reflash then? r...@om-gta02:~# cat /etc/opkg/* src/gz daily-Multiverse http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse src/gz om-dev-all http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/all arch all 1 arch any 6 arch noarch 11 arch arm 16 arch armv4t 21 arch om-gta02 26 src/gz om-dev-armv4t http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t src/gz om-dev-om-gta02 http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/om-gta02 r...@om-gta02:~# BillK On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 10:52 +0800, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: > Craig, > > > Is this a rumor? PLEASE CLARIFY. Will the GTA01 continue to get > > software support from OM in it's baseline release (OM2xxx series)? > > Yes. We are trying! > > Just look at http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/ > > There are images for GTA01 and GTA02, and this is where the base of > our next distribution, Om2009, is being built. Right now, it's live. > Last build is from January 19, 2009 (today), for both GTA01 and GTA02. > I hope we can keep the discipline all the way to the actual release, > there are many little details and bumps on the road. > > Best Regards, > Wolfgang > > On Jan 19, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Craig Woodward wrote: > > > > > Wolfgang Spraul wrote: > >> Repeating rumors again and again still doesn't make them true. > > > > Is this a rumor? PLEASE CLARIFY. Will the GTA01 continue to get > > software support from OM in it's baseline release (OM2xxx series)? > > > > If the answer is yes, then I'm much happier. If not, then it's just > > a matter of time before the GTA02 follows the same path of dropped > > without show-stopping bugs being fixed. Again, I don't expect > > perpetual support. I do expect continued support until the major > > issues (like ticket 1662) are resolved in a base image. > > > > Within days of the December release there were questions about > > future GTA01 support, and it was said on the OM list that OM was no > > longer supporting the GTA01 in the OM2xxx images. Admittedly, this > > was said by a non-OM employee (Rod Whitby), but nobody from OM spoke > > up to correct it. > > > > The only reply from OM until now was from "Mickey", who wrote the > > the posting attached below. As I read it, it screamed to me that OM > > was trying to quietly drop support for the 01 without saying it > > directly. Mickey choose his words very carefully, which I noted > > when I read it, so that he wasn't flat out saying OM was dropping > > support. But he also didn't say they were continuing support either. > > > > Think about it for a second. You have a lot of people that can't > > get their phone to work reliably with second generation hardware > > after 8 months of trying. You have one primary product with your > > name on it, the OM2xxx image series. The latest one says it does > > NOT support the GTA01, with no comment about if future versions will > > again support it. And when the question is asked, we get a vague > > answer about how the GTA01 doesn't need OM for new updates, followed > > by crickets. > > > > So I ask again: Will OM support GTA01 in future baseline OM2xxx > > releases? Yes, or No. > > > > > > > > > > Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > > = > > I don't want to comment on whether Openmoko should do more work on > > GTA01 or > > rather concentrate on 02 and 03, but I do want to state that you can't > > compare the usual end-of-support product to an Openmoko end-of-support > > product. > > > > Openmoko not releasing anymore images for 01 is _orders of > > magnitude_ less of > > a problem than any competitor no longer supporting a model. The > > reason being > > the paradigmatic openness of Openmoko. Everything is out there -- at > > your > > fingertips, so to speak -- you can still compile 2009.x for the 01 > > (yes, you > > need to remove some things) or work on exciting new software for it. > > > > U-Boot and the kernel may not receive many more updates, but that's > > about it. > > For the rest of it, you don't have to rely on Openmoko to get fresh > > software > > for your GTA01. > > > > Again, while I don't want to comment whether this is right or wrong > > fro
Re: Once a whiner
I am currently building shr-unstable to try - been running a day or so, though had a few hiccups. Have tried shr before and liked it - just that it never ever registered so was a bit useless. I am hoping that building the image will allow me to track down why everything that uses the gsm0710mux fails to register - its almost like the gsm chipset locks up with the SIM I am using (vodafone.au). BillK On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 07:48 -0500, Nicolas Dufresne wrote: > I had the same opinion until I've tried SHR. Sure SHR is not complete > yet, but I've used it as a phone for 3 weeks from now, and it's quite > reliable. The distro proves the quality of Framework combine with > Enligntment based applications. I think we are progressing, but I also > tend to agree that it would be nice to focus on less tools and less > distros to gain high quality phone software like phone call, SMS, > Contacts, Calendar and Alarms. > > Best regards, > Nicolas > > Le lundi 12 janvier 2009 à 13:59 +0900, William Kenworthy a écrit : > > Still, it will crash at least once a day with suspend failures, > > fails to > > register, BSODs, event/0 runaway, lost SMS messages, ... Even if > > you > > dont use it once registered, its only a matter of a few hours and > > something will go wrong. -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Once a whiner
Most of the distros require work before being usable. The asu theme in 2008.x is broken for all but token uses - switch to illume and read the wiki about the keyboards. Helps a huge amount. Still, it will crash at least once a day with suspend failures, fails to register, BSODs, event/0 runaway, lost SMS messages, ... Even if you dont use it once registered, its only a matter of a few hours and something will go wrong. :( BillK On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 00:31 +0100, Fernando Martins wrote: > I have just flashed fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 (20090108). It took me > several tries until it finally flashed. > > I got several dfu errors (110, 84 and plenty 71). After a couple switch > off/on it finally worked. > > Unfortunately I can't get the phone app to work. I get always Zhone > stopped running unexpectedly. > > BTW, FSO makes the phone look more computer like, than om2008 versions. > I'm not sure that's what I expect from a phone. om2008.12 doesn't seem > bad to me except that the keyboard makes it useless (I can't properly > input a contact, delete is a joke, guessing words is total bullocks). > Sorry to be harsh on the developers, but even after reading wiki/lists I > couldn't avoid the disappointment; it's 80% there, but the last 20% > truly are critical to me. > > Fernando > > Sven Klomp wrote: > > Do you use the 2.6.28 kernel from http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso- > > testing/images/om-gta02/ ? > > At boot time it says Bad CRC and stops booting. > > > > So I used the kernel from MS 4.1 and the Freerunner is booting... > > > > On Friday January 9 2009 17:00:39 Marcus Stong wrote: > > > >> I'd just like to say, for all the whiners using om 2008.x (I've been one > >> just recently, too), try FSO testing. I've been using it for a few days, > >> and everything seems to work like a charm compared to OM2008.x. > >> Suspend works great, battery life is killer, boot time is good, telephony > >> seems solid. Granted there's no UI for wifi and no bluetooth support, it's > >> still eons ahead of OM2008 as far as I can tell. Really, I think everyone > >> needs to get over om2008, including open moko, because it just doesn't > >> work. But I have renewed faith in my phone now that I've installed FSO. > >> Great job FSO team! > >> > > > > > > ___ > > support mailing list > > support@lists.openmoko.org > > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > > > > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [Om2008.12] No sound on phonecalls
On the dialler, there is a slider for volume - is it fully up? Grab one of the state files (from the wiki: gsmhandset.state ?) and reboot after installing it. This helped me. BillK On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 10:35 +0100, Michael Zanetti wrote: > Hi! > > Any progress/information on this? It's still an issue here... > > Thanks! > > On Saturday 03 January 2009 18:02:21 Ian wrote: > > I have been experiencing this exact issue this week, though haven't > > looked into it deeply as yet. Also occuring on freshly flashed > > Om2008.12, though I also experienced this once under FDOM 20081023 > > (also freshly flashed). > > > > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Michael Zanetti > wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > > > I'm currently running Om 2008.12. It works very well except one really > > > annoing issue. After some hours of uptime the sound while phone calls > > > stops working. I still can place and receive phone calls but I and the > > > other site can't hear anything. I have to reboot the Neo to get it > > > working again. > > > > > > Is this a known issue or is there already a solution for this? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Michael > > > > > > ___ > > > support mailing list > > > support@lists.openmoko.org > > > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: GTA02 is now an expensive brick
Briefly remove/replace the battery and then plug in the usb cable from a computer - not the wall plug. Removing the battery allows the safety circuit to reset itself. Wait at least 10-15 minutes to tricklecharge, then try booting again. You may have to remove/replace the battery again. Boot with the usb cable plugged in. The lable saying what version you have is under the battery. BillK On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 18:54 -0500, Lucas Lacroix wrote: > Thanks for all the responses. > > I believe have a GTA02v5, but there's no identifying mark to say which > version. > > As for purchasing an additional battery or a battery charger, that is > NOT a solution. That's a stop-gap. It's the same as purchasing a new > car, finding the axle broke in your driveway overnight, and then the > car salesmen telling you "all you need to fix it is buy a new axle". > > I have tried every combination of with/without battery, holding aux, > USB or Wall charger, and holding aux+power. None of these combinations > have yielded any results. > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: SSH login problem
The freerunner should be 192.168.0.202 and your *HOST* 192.168.0.200 - is this the cause of your problem? Try your host username/password to confirm that 200 is not the freerunner. BillK On Thu, 2009-01-01 at 23:16 +0100, Matteo Ugolotti wrote: > i 've just recieved my new neo freerunner and i've already > successfully installed om 2008.9 and then om 2008.12 . > i 've configured my usb0 interface (using Mandriva 2008) and when i > ping my freerunner ( 192.168.0.200 ) it responds correctly > but when i run ssh 192.168.0.200 and using a blank password i > get the message "Permission denied, try again" as if the password or > the login name were wrong. > does anybody know why this happens? What should i do? Thanks in > advance > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
[2008.12] GSM CPMS command
"Dec 27 11:19:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem : void QModemSMSReader::cpmsDone(bool, const QAtResult&) Giving up on CPMS it keeps failing. how to escalate?" The above error message pops out whenever I restart X and enter the PIN. Using a Vodafone 128K SIM. Is it important? BillK -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Suspend in om2008.12
suspend works fine if you do it manually while using the illume theme - rarely fails. You do need to turn suspend after blank off. The asu theme and autosuspend doesnt seem to work well at all - probably because it suspends at inopportune moments, rather than the user making allowances for whats running. OM really need to either totally redo the asu theme or switch to illume as the default. BillK On Wed, 2008-12-24 at 13:49 -0500, Marcus Stong wrote: > Isn't suspend one of the things that was suppose to be fixed in > om2008.12, or was this one of the things that never got fixed? It > seems like the last FDOM had a more stable suspend/resume than this. > > Marcus > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Marc Bantle wrote: > Marcus Stong schrieb: > > Is it just me, or does suspend freeze on om2008.12. I > flashed the > > latest stable images to my freerunner, but it won't wake up > when in > > suspend. I've rebooted several times. Any suggestions? > > To me it seems that suspend as well as > shutdown hang for a while and therefore > a manual resume is not honored. If I give > it the time to suspend (estimated 5 min.) > it will resume properly. > > While suspend can be initiated by a short > click on the power button, I need to press > for 3 seconds or more to resume. I personally > prefer resuming by a simple click of the > power button as in om-testing. > > Cheers, > Marc > > > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > > _______ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Happy story
which "the modified scenario file" ??? BillK On Sun, 2008-12-21 at 12:40 +0100, sandwitch wrote: > Friends, > > I don't post much here. But om2008.12 gave me that special feeling. The > right track. > No more echo on my gta02v5 after uploading the the modified scenario > file. On 2008.09 sound volume was very low but now i can raise it with > the slider bar Great. > Gps works very well first fix in approx. 20 secs. > Well done openmoko team and all others who gave there spare time. > > -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
You might do better to read back on the emails ... the hardware fix is the kludge in my view - it is on one of the clock lines. They did this early on, and it did have an effect. THEN they found that it was improved by only clocking the SD card when neccessary (i.e., access). Then lastly, they discovered that the clock drive was set too high (max). Once they had all the info, all the fixes were in (cap, correct drive and SD card clocking on on access), things were good. The cap seems to have an effect, but is minor compared to the others, but its "in the system" so stayed. The majority of earlier FR's dont have it (including mine) and work fine. Oh, and if you really want it, there's a SOP laying out how to add it yourself. Going from memory for the above, but it should be largely right. BillK On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 11:17 +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:35 AM, Stefan Monnier > wrote: > >>>> There are still hardware problems that exist with almost every > >>>> freerunner out there (GPS signal levels, for one). I would like to > >>>> see them fixed by Openmoko, Inc. > >> The kernel fix for GPS is a mere quirk. Ideally it should get fixed in > >> hardware. > > > > Huh? The kernel fix seems to work OK for those people who have old > > FRs. Newer FRs have a hardware fix. E.g. my FR doesn't need any > > kernel workaround. No need to wait for GTA03 to get a hardware fix. > > So, this kernel fix is a feature, according to Al Johnson? Then why do > they need a hardware fix? Unless I am missing something, this software > fix seems to be a lie. Or the hardware fix seems to be bogus anyway. I > have one of the earlier freerunners released, so I'm sure Openmoko > owes an explanation. > > > > > > >Stefan > > > > > > > > ___ > > support mailing list > > support@lists.openmoko.org > > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Still can't register GSM
Users can flash the calypso, check the wiki for the procedure and software/firmware required. BillK On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 15:47 -0800, danek wrote: > I don't think a user can flash GSM firmware, only OM, due to NDA on the > Calypso. > > The GSM firmware is whatever came on the GTA02v5 when I got it. I believe it > is moko10 but can't confirm now because I don't have it with me. > > As I said in the original post, it was working fine (well, as fine as a > GTA02 can work) for months, then all of a sudden stopped registering, and > nothing I have done has restored it. > > On an unrelated note, I just discovered > http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html - very useful for those subscribed in > digest mode or no mail. > > > Sargun Dhillon wrote: > > > > Stupid question, > > Have you flashed moko10 gsm firmware? > > > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Daniel Dadap wrote: > >> I wrote earlier about being unable to register GSM. It happened out of > >> the blue and I still can't register. > >> > >>> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:33:49 + > >>> From: Andy Green > >>> Subject: Re: GSM no longer registers on GTA02 - how to troubleshoot? > >>> Your U-Boot environment can have some issue, that's why the problem > >>> behaviour is so sticky. You are into trying to get a USB serial > >>> connection on ttyACM0 on your host and meddling from there. > >>> > >>> About your main problem not much idea except confirm the SIM still works > >>> on another phone I guess. > >>> > >>> - -Andy > >> > >> Yeah, I'm going to try messing around over the USB console, but I'm > >> trying to get GSM to work first. > >> > >> The SIM works fine on my dumbphone which I have been using for the > >> past few days. I've tried two different SIMs, from two different > >> carriers, both of which used to work on my FR, and both of which still > >> work on other phones. I know that the FR can see the SIM because I can > >> read contacts off of it and stored SMS messages. I have reflashed the > >> phone with several images which were all known working. I'm stumped, > >> and I'm worried that it might not be a software problem. (I think FR > >> only has 30 or 60 day warranty and mine is already older.) > >> > >> How much would an out of warranty repair cost, if I have a hardware > >> problem? > >> > >> How can I tell what the FR is trying to do when it tries to register > >> (and fails)? I like to know if it seems to be the antenna, or the > >> Calypso, or something else. > >> > >>> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:09:47 -0500 > >>> From: Paul > >>> Subject: Re: GSM no longer registers on GTA02 - how to troubleshoot? > >>> To: "Support for Openmoko Device Owners" > >>> Message-ID: > >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >>> > >>> I received the same behavior when I updated to the latest testing > >>> images. > >>> > >>> I revered to the old 2008.9 images and things are working again. > >>> -- > >>> Paul > >> > >> I tried many different images, all of which used to work fine. None of > >> them can register. > >> > >> Also, does anybody know how I can reply to a message and keep it in > >> the right thread if I don't receive individual messages? (I am > >> subscribed in digest mode.) Is there a web interface where I can reply > >> to a specific message? > >> > >> ___ > >> support mailing list > >> support@lists.openmoko.org > >> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > >> > > > > ___ > > support mailing list > > support@lists.openmoko.org > > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > > > > -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Still can't register GSM
1. flash moko10 as recommended below - fixes problems with some incompatible SIMs. On my Vodafone 128K, made a huge difference to the PIN dialog popping up - not 100% fixed, but made a difference between 1 in 10, to 1 in 2. 2. try logging in and run "logread" - if you see "ATCHAT: ATF modem ready" (something like that anyway) continually being repeated. Restart X (/etc/init.d/xserver-nodm reboot) - give it up to 10 goes or so (then try 3 below). On my phone (even with moko10) it appears to be unresponsive to the first reset/commands and just starts repeating the above message to the log. Restarting X gets it to try again. It doesnt do it if you leave it to its own devices. 3. Shut down, remove battery for a few seconds. Replace battery, reboot, go to 2 above if neccesary. 4. Remove any SD card (esp if over 4gb) and retry. 5. Use another phone and set a PIN on the SIM if not set and try again (at least one software version wouldnt work if PIN wasnt set :( 6. Reboot, wait for a few minutes (5?) where nothing is happening and run "logread > logread-.txt" and post logread-.txt here for comment. 7. Try 2008.testing in combination with moko10 8. file a bug - I would think it most unlikely its a hardware problem (other than the known one of incompatible SIMs) - its probably down to the software. BillK On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:12 -0800, Sargun Dhillon wrote: > Stupid question, > Have you flashed moko10 gsm firmware? > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Daniel Dadap wrote: > > I wrote earlier about being unable to register GSM. It happened out of > > the blue and I still can't register. > > > >> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:33:49 + > >> From: Andy Green > >> Subject: Re: GSM no longer registers on GTA02 - how to troubleshoot? > >> Your U-Boot environment can have some issue, that's why the problem > >> behaviour is so sticky. You are into trying to get a USB serial > >> connection on ttyACM0 on your host and meddling from there. > >> > >> About your main problem not much idea except confirm the SIM still works > >> on another phone I guess. > >> > >> - -Andy > > > > Yeah, I'm going to try messing around over the USB console, but I'm > > trying to get GSM to work first. > > > > The SIM works fine on my dumbphone which I have been using for the > > past few days. I've tried two different SIMs, from two different > > carriers, both of which used to work on my FR, and both of which still > > work on other phones. I know that the FR can see the SIM because I can > > read contacts off of it and stored SMS messages. I have reflashed the > > phone with several images which were all known working. I'm stumped, > > and I'm worried that it might not be a software problem. (I think FR > > only has 30 or 60 day warranty and mine is already older.) > > > > How much would an out of warranty repair cost, if I have a hardware problem? > > > > How can I tell what the FR is trying to do when it tries to register > > (and fails)? I like to know if it seems to be the antenna, or the > > Calypso, or something else. > > > >> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:09:47 -0500 > >> From: Paul > >> Subject: Re: GSM no longer registers on GTA02 - how to troubleshoot? > >> To: "Support for Openmoko Device Owners" > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >> > >> I received the same behavior when I updated to the latest testing images. > >> > >> I revered to the old 2008.9 images and things are working again. > >> -- > >> Paul > > > > I tried many different images, all of which used to work fine. None of > > them can register. > > > > Also, does anybody know how I can reply to a message and keep it in > > the right thread if I don't receive individual messages? (I am > > subscribed in digest mode.) Is there a web interface where I can reply > > to a specific message? > > > > ___ > > support mailing list > > support@lists.openmoko.org > > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
and before that, some real security on the FR. BillK On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 21:36 +0100, Yorick Moko wrote: > my condolences; > > we need a way to remotely activate the gps and make it send an sms and > e-mail etc etc > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Ian Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Juan Cañete wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Last night a burglar stole my FR. ... > >> > >> My phone had debian on it. I had a lot of applications configured. I used > >> it like my main phone. Mail accounts configured, Phonebook with all > >> contacts, a lot of sms, many applications configured with my > >> users/passwds. And I realized they had access to all. I called the mobile > >> phone company to suspend the number, I've changed almost all important > >> passwds, anyway, although I think they even don't know how to use the FR, > >> maybe they will sell it to someone that do, and he'll surf into my life. > >> > >> I only wanted to share this story with you. Maybe, because sharing my > >> sadness I'll feel better, maybe not... > >> > > Sr Cañete, thank you, you do both yourself and all of us a service. We > > all (I hope) empathize with your loss. > > And, most importantly, your story reminds everyone on the list of the > > importance of doing backups of their handheld data with at least the > > same regularity as their desktop and server systems. Regularly. > > Paraphrasing Santayana: Those who do not learn from the suffering of > > others are destined to suffer in the future. > > > > > > ___ > > support mailing list > > support@lists.openmoko.org > > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: NTP
I think gpssight can do that - have not use it recently though. BillK On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 10:36 +0100, Bastian Feder wrote: > Hi, > I'll find it very sexy if it were possible to get the time from the > GPS signal, too. (in case there is no network available) > > Any thoughts about that done by anyone? > > hf > Bastian > > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2008/11/28 Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> On the Clock options of the phone there is a setting for "Automatic". I > >> assumed this meant it would automaticly update the time using the NTP (via > >> the Wifi connection to the Internet or GPS). > >> > >> It doesn't seem to be doing this. > >> > >> Where can you set this server? > >> > >> Does the phone actually have this facility? > > > > have you installed ntp, ntpd and ntpclient? they're not in 2008.9 by > > default, not sure about fdom > > > > after install, there will be a .conf file in /etc where you can set > > the servers it uses > > > > ___ > > support mailing list > > support@lists.openmoko.org > > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > > > > -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Vodafone 128k sim not working
I have a 128k sim from vodafone.au Its always been flakey - pin dialog often takes many reboots/xserver restarts before it comes up. Removing the PIN never registers - ever for 2008.9. Since flashing the gsm chip, it hasnt missed a pin dialog - only 3 boots so far, but thats far far better than anything so far ... BillK On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 23:30 +0100, Nicola Mfb wrote: > 2008/11/3 Nicola Mfb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2008/10/6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [...] > > Sorry for delay, only yesterday I had the time to go in a > Vodafone shop. I asked to change the 64k sim with a new one > (128k), before buying it they let me try the sim and it did > not work. I'm not using 2008.9 but can report that on FSO the > framework daemon reports that the SIM is not present! > > As vodafone employee said that this was the first time a phone > does not recognize their SIMs, I'm very curious to know why > this very annoying problem is there, should I think that > openmoko did not choose a very well tested hardware component? > > Thanks to all of the openmoko team! > My sim is now working with moko10 gsm firmware :) > > Regards > > Nicola > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Is there a dfu-util that can successfully backup an existing flash?
Neat! Thanks, BillK On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 16:30 -0700, Angus Ainslie wrote: > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 3:38 PM, William Kenworthy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a dfu-util that can successfully backup an existing > flash? > > Last one I tried still failed. Its a big discouragement to > trying new > distros/experimenting when it takes hours to reinstall/rebuild > back to > where you were when you started when a simple flash the old > system back > would do. > > BillK > > > You can do it from an ssh session. I use the script below > > #!/bin/sh > echo "Make sure you have opkg installed mkfs-jffs2" > > mkdir /var/tmp/root > mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock6 /var/tmp/root > > echo "On PC side" > echo > echo "ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] \"mkfs.jffs2 -d /var/tmp/root -e 128 > --pad --no-cleanmarkers -x lzo\" | pv -W > rootfs_backup.jffs2" > echo "scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/boot/uImage kernel_backup.bin" > > > > -- > Angus Ainslie > http://www.handheldshell.com/ > -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Is there a dfu-util that can successfully backup an existing flash?
Is there a dfu-util that can successfully backup an existing flash? Last one I tried still failed. Its a big discouragement to trying new distros/experimenting when it takes hours to reinstall/rebuild back to where you were when you started when a simple flash the old system back would do. BillK -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: VPN client installation?
and it doesnt do vpn over TCP which the real cisco vpn does - and my institution uses :( Would be nice to have the cisco-vpn for the FR for cases like this. BillK On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 10:00 -0500, Seth Rothenberg wrote: > > vpnc is for cisco routers. > > Incidentally, Folks are working on vpnc to support > Nortel as well. Some features are not working yet. > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
2007.9: Anybody found a fix for the events/0 problem yet?
Anybody found a fix for the events/0 problem yet? Woke up this morning and found it at 27% and battery rapidly draining again. And when rebooted 2 SMS messages sent 12 hours before "appeared", again ... Seems like the freerunner just will not run for more that 24hrs (and lucky to get even that long) if you use gps and/or wifi during a session Frustrating ... BillK -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: broken screen: how to auto-turn FR into bluetooth/USB GPS?
Thought about replacing the screen? - others have apparently done so. There were a few emails on the subject at one time. Also, the earlier neo used the same screen, so a dead neo might be a donor if you can source one. BillK On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 10:54 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Last week I lived an atrocious adventure: a small crease appeared on my > Freerunner screen, and within days it turned into an enormous break... Now > the sensitive part of the screen is almost uneffective, which in other > words means the (three weeks old) FR is unusable... > > Until I am rich again, one path I see to still get something out of it is > to have it turned into an "ordinary" GPS that would connect either via > bluetooth or USB to a small laptop, where an openstreetmap-related viewer > would run. > > I have found on the wiki some instructions to do this, at > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS , but I am not sure they > aren't obsolete (same page says "gpsd is obsolete"...) and also given the > evolution of my touchscreen I need some automatic process that in > principle would not need the screen at all. > > Is there a simple way (script?) to > - automatically turn on bluetooth upon startup (and turn off GSM as we are > at it) > - automatically start GPS and configure it to "answer bluetooth" as such? > > Or the same through USB, which may be even better (I wouldn't have to pair > the laptop)? > > Knowing that > - the laptop would be linux-based (Mandriva) > - on the Freerunner I currently have the latest FDOM distribution (but I > could reflash to whatever you suggest) > - I am using Mandriva and FR more out of political decisions than geek > competence: consider I am indeed quite a newbie, and the more step-by-step > your advice will be, the better it'll be to get me out of despair ;-) > > TIA! > Hervé > > > _______ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Vodafone 128k sim not working
Nov 3 17:53:13 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : "AT-Command Interpreter ready" Nov 3 17:53:18 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : "AT-Command Interpreter ready" Nov 3 17:53:23 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : "AT-Command Interpreter ready" Nov 3 17:53:28 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : "AT-Command Interpreter ready" Nov 3 17:53:33 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : "AT-Command Interpreter ready" Nov 3 17:53:38 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : "AT-Command Interpreter ready" Nov 3 17:53:43 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : "AT-Command Interpreter ready" On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 12:52 +0100, Nicola Mfb wrote: > 2008/10/6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > With Vodafone sim 32.2k was working... > When I changed to 128k sim the problems starts > I tried also with a Vodafone 64k sim from a store that has > it for testing and it worked... > With a 3 year old Vodafone 128k sim (from a friend) and it > worked (I just tested a couple of times)... > For the pin on your old 64k vodafone try to disable the pin > from your motorola phone, or change it to another pin , and > than test with freerunner (post also a logread) > > Sorry for delay, only yesterday I had the time to go in a Vodafone > shop. I asked to change the 64k sim with a new one (128k), before > buying it they let me try the sim and it did not work. I'm not using > 2008.9 but can report that on FSO the framework daemon reports that > the SIM is not present! > > As vodafone employee said that this was the first time a phone does > not recognize their SIMs, I'm very curious to know why this very > annoying problem is there, should I think that openmoko did not choose > a very well tested hardware component? > > Regards > > Nicola > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Urgent help with Ar6000 detection
shutdown and briefly remove battery and reboot Sometimes requires a couple of goes Manually connect - dont use any of the gui utilities killall wpa_supplicant before you start. BillK On Sun, 2008-10-26 at 15:31 +0330, Armin ranjbar wrote: > Dear all , > > by this email I'm asking you guys for help , my Thesis does depend on two > freerunners to be able to communicate in special way using Wifi , i bought > my second FR a while ago but received that recently , ar6000 was working > ( it was able to detect essid's , i have tried actual connection ) is no > longer working for unknown reason and i need to make it immediately work > for thesis defense , can you please take a look ? > > https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2084 > > -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
8Gb SD card and sd_max_clk
At the moment, I am using "echo 1000 > /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_max_clk" for an 8GB SD card. It does seem more reliable, but there are still problems that could be SD card related. (occasional hard locks when using a swapfile (not partition) on the SD card) Is there a better value for this? - or is more a matter of keep slowing it down until the problems go away altogether? BillK -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
2008.9: duplicate icons
After a crash I have two icons for one application on the desktop - both work. Checking /usr/share/applications shows only one .desktop file. Is there a cache somewhere that needs cleaning out? - restarting the device doesnt help. BillK -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Issuing AT commands
I take it this cant be done (live) for 2008.9 because a multiplexer is needed? BillK On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 09:40 +0100, Alastair Johnson wrote: > Leonti Bielski wrote: > > Hello! > > I was wondering how can I send an AT commant to my GSM chip. > > It's easy to find a list of commands on wiki-page or a specific command > > to do something, but I was not able to find out how to ussie it. > > I'm interested tow o send a command in QTextended and FSO. > > In FSO start mickeyterm then enter the AT commands. Use Ctrl-d to exit. > Check the ogsmd code for how to do it from python. > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Backup Gordon
Do you have a reference for "making a big deal ..." - I still use the dfu-util available with 2007.2 when I got the phone have never seen anything to indicate its version specific. BillK On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 18:21 -0700, mrintensity wrote: > A note on the subject line: I figured if I had questions on flashing my FR, > I would use the subject line "Flash Gordon." Instead I have a question on > backing up the FR. :-P > > When flashing, they make a big deal about having to use the the version of > dfu-util that goes with the distro you are flashing. For example, to > upgrade from om2007.2 to om2008.8 (ASU), you need to download the dfu-util > for om2008.8. > > What about backups? I downloaded om2007.8 and its associated dfu-util, and > I want to use that dfu-util to back up my current om2007.2 image. Is that > doable, or do I have to download the 2007.2 dfu-util just to back up 2007.2? -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
sms's not being received when sent
Ive just noticed that with a normal 2008.9, any sms messages are not seen by the FR until its rebooted, when they all arrive at once. This appears to be the case whether its suspended or not. Calls appear to work ok. Before I raise a bug on it, is anyone else seeing this? There are some old bugs that are similar, but this was supposed to be fixed. BillK -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: 2008.9 - Wake on incoming call not working?
Yes, though it does wakeup occasionally. If it does, there is no audio until a few rings have occurred. If you answer the phone after then, it will sometimes work. BillK On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 12:07 -0400, Simon Comeau Martel wrote: > Hi, > > I just flashed 2008.9 on my Neo. I made some tests, and found that an > incoming call won't wake my phone from sleep anymore. > > Can anyone else confirm that behavior? > > I guess that's not a voluntary change: Sleep is essential to get a > reasonable battery life. If call can't be received in that mode, it's a > problem... > > Thanks > -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Revive Freerunner with USB power?
Wrong bug - why does the FR SOMETIMES discharge to flat in only a few hours? No excessive current draw when checked, no apps running away, no anything that would seem to do it. Only leaves the gsm chip (that doesnt register on the charge counter as its directly connected to the battery, correct?) - whats it doing? BillK On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 11:07 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: > William Kenworthy wrote: > > I'm having to do this on a regular basis - why? > > > > 1 out of every 3 or so nights, I wake up (~6-8hrs) and find the FR > > dead. :( Only GSM is running and its on dim&lock > > > > The battery is always fully charged when checked just before I retire. > > > > In some cases I have left it on charge, confirmed its charging and still > > wake to a dead phone. > > > > BillK > > > There is a known bug that after fully charging the phone would turn off > the charger and forget to turn it back on again as the phone became > discharged. Look in the archives - I think it was last week this was > discussed. Might be on the kernel or device-owners list. > > Should probably also be in TRAC. -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Revive Freerunner with USB power?
I am well aware of this. The point I am trying to make is WHY does the FR discharge in just a few hours when not being used, when at other times will run for much longer. BillK On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 21:39 +0530, Edgar D' Souza wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:42 PM, William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1 out of every 3 or so nights, I wake up (~6-8hrs) and find the FR > > dead. :( Only GSM is running and its on dim&lock > > > > The battery is always fully charged when checked just before I retire. > > > > In some cases I have left it on charge, confirmed its charging and still > > wake to a dead phone. > > Perhaps the thread at > http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td840534|a840534 would > prove informative to you? If your battery is fully charged/almost full > before you head for bed, then it is possible that it reaches a > fully-charged state and begins to discharge soon after... which means > that it has ?8? hours (dunno how long you sleep :) ) to discharge; > while I have read estimates of battery life being around 8 hours, it > may be less if you have WiFi, GPS, BT *and* GSM switched on... even if > you have a superb GSM signal in your bedroom, possibly WiFi and GPS > could have bad reception, causing even more power usage. > > I'm no software guru at all, but the import of bug reports and mails > on this list seem to indicate (correct me if I'm wrong, please, > people!) that the logic of whether to switch the charging circuit on > is determined: > a) on boot > b) on detecting plug-in of a power source to the USB connector > > A third case should probably be added - if battery voltage (or charge > percentage) drops below a specified number, check if the USB power > source is still connected; if so, flip it on again, and let the > battery charge. > > This, of course, is assuming I have the problem description correct :-) > > Cheers, > Ed. -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Revive Freerunner with USB power?
I'm having to do this on a regular basis - why? 1 out of every 3 or so nights, I wake up (~6-8hrs) and find the FR dead. :( Only GSM is running and its on dim&lock The battery is always fully charged when checked just before I retire. In some cases I have left it on charge, confirmed its charging and still wake to a dead phone. BillK On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 13:17 -0400, Jim Ancona wrote: > Michael Shiloh wrote: > > To protect ourselves we have to say that "OpenMoko does not recommend > > this procedure so do so at your own risk". > > FWIW, I was able to revive my FR with a dead battery this morning by > following the procedure on the Wiki: "Some users have reported that Neo > FreeRunner is able to boot on USB power alone using the NOR u-boot, > thus: press AUX, plug USB power, select boot." > > I did this and got the NOR u-boot menu, then as the comment on the wiki > suggested, kept it in the menu for a minute or so by clicking the AUX > button every few seconds, then selected the boot item and it booted > normally and the battery charged. > > Hope this helps. > > Jim > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: FreeRunner is completely dead
There are instructions on how to fix this on the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery Also includes "Make sure that the battery never discharges completely. This is an issue because ..." :) BillK On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 12:51 +0200, Fredrik Wendt wrote: > Hi. > > I've been using my FreeRunner quite a lot since I got it and yesterday > evening I played with USB host mode (the goal was to use a normal USB > keyboard in the terminal). However, I reported my progress and then went > to bed. [0] > > This morning when I got back to my computer, the FreeRunner's screen was > black as is expected - the battery would be drained as it has been > several nights/mornings before. But, today I just can't get it to boot > anymore. The only difference from all other times (that I can think of) > is that I left it in USB host mode. > > By now I've had it plugged into the wall charger that came with the > phone for more than one hour, but to no avail - it still won't boot. :( > > > Any tip, idea on what I should do or test? > > > Thanks in advance, > > Fredrik Wendt > > [0] > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/025895.html > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
bye bye 2008.8, you wont be missed :(
I am afraid I am going to have to delete 2008.8 and forget it ever existed. Despite very little of it working, I was giving it a go but I just had a bug I raised on the keyboard closed with "works for me" saying in effect they are only willing to work on the existing keyboard and its working as designed, so there isnt a problem and no changes/new keyboard alternatives are needed. Basicly learn to use it as is, as this is all we are getting with 2008.8 As 2008.8 looks like it was an interim release until FSO is ready, developers for the FR might like to look at the reasons this bug (#1778) was closed and then consider bringing the FSO to a usable state faster. It already has more functionality than 2008.8 as released. To me its looking like 2008.8 is still born and wont be going anywhere fast, by the intention of the designers. disappointed :( BillK -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: unable to connect to network with 2008.8
root 1413 0.0 0.4 2568 520 ?S20:14 0:00 /usr/bin/app-restarter The qpe process vanished. This is bad.?This is not meant to happen and is likely a sig n of?a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce it and?report the issue to http://docs.openmoko.org.??To be able to use your phone as a phone again you?will have to restart Qto pia.? qpe This line is from "ps aux" is likely why the phone isnt working. If I try and restart qpe I end up by being unable to start anything from the screen - have to reboot. BillK On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 19:46 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: > I am having a second go at 2008.8 > > 2007.2 connects instantly to the Oz vodafone network in my current > location. flashed it with 2008.2, rebooted it multiple times and never > a hint of connection. > > There are no messages in dmesg (actually no gsm related messages at all > that I can see) > > Is there something I can do to see whats going on, or trigger a > reregister event? > > BillK > -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
unable to connect to network with 2008.8
I am having a second go at 2008.8 2007.2 connects instantly to the Oz vodafone network in my current location. flashed it with 2008.2, rebooted it multiple times and never a hint of connection. There are no messages in dmesg (actually no gsm related messages at all that I can see) Is there something I can do to see whats going on, or trigger a reregister event? BillK -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Change root's shell?
passwd file - the symlink "might" work better. On most real systems, sh is actually bash running in a compatility mode - not sure if thats the case here. Cant check as I am in the middle of going back to 2007.2 as 2008.8 is basicly non-functional/unusable. BillK On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 19:28 -0700, Dirk Bergstrom wrote: > William Kenworthy wrote: > > I tried this on 2007.2 - worked fine until I rebooted and whole lot of > > things to do with X stopped working. e.g., you could not enter text > > into the terminal app. > > What did you try, editing /etc/passwd, or making /bin/sh a symlink to > /bin/bash (or just replacing it)? > > I was considering editing /etc/passwd, guess I should have been clearer... > > > On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 18:28 -0700, Dirk Bergstrom wrote: > >> Is there any reason it would be a bad idea to change root's shell from > >> /bin/sh to /bin/bash? I miss all the conveniences, and I keep > >> forgetting to type 'bash' when I log in. > > > -- > Dirk Bergstrom > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://otisbean.com/ > > _______ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Change root's shell?
I tried this on 2007.2 - worked fine until I rebooted and whole lot of things to do with X stopped working. e.g., you could not enter text into the terminal app. BillK On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 18:28 -0700, Dirk Bergstrom wrote: > Is there any reason it would be a bad idea to change root's shell from > /bin/sh to /bin/bash? I miss all the conveniences, and I keep > forgetting to type 'bash' when I log in. > > -- > Dirk > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
2008.8 screen blanks permanently on suspend
I have had the FR go into blank screen a number of times and refuse to wakeup. Its not suspended as usb networking still works. Trying to restart the xserver hangs. If I press the power button briefly, nothing happens. Same if I hold it for a second or two. At ~ 10 seconds it will shutdown - sometimes. Is this a bug or is there some other way to get the screen back without a time consuming reboot. BillK -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: 2008.8 - issue
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 21:21 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: > How do you type something like "apm" into the terminal application? - oh > how I *HATE* predictive text :( > > Is there a way to kill it? > > BillK > Still want to kill it - preferably permanently. I cant believe anyone thought this was a good idea :( Also looks like there is no backspace key to even try to fix the mess it makes of text. I'll have to ignore the terminal until someone fixes it up . BillK ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
2008.8 - issue
How do you type something like "apm" into the terminal application? - oh how I *HATE* predictive text :( Is there a way to kill it? BillK -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
2008.8 - issues
The installer text is so large it scrolls off the screen so you cant tell what the apps are! BillK -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Om2008.8 - Issues
On the top bar I have a small clock and some that looks like two small blobs, one on top of the other - what are they trying to tell me? BillK On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 18:04 +0530, sparky mat wrote: > > 2) Installer - Doesn't connect. USB networking is setup > correctly. opkg and wget work fine. > > > My bad. Assumption that opkg and wget work were based on yesterday's > daily build. They weren't. Found out that /etc/resolv.conf is empty. > Why so? I'd assume that "nameserver 192.168.0.200" should be defaulted > in. > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
sms when asleep
Hi, I borrowed a phone and sent an SMS to the freerunner (up to date 2007.2) when it was suspended (dim&lock for a couple of hours without interaction) The sms didnt wake the phone as I am sure it would when I first got it. The message seemed to have been received by the phone (the rx sound came immediately I woke it), but the message itself didnt wake the FR and sound the ring tone. I could not find a trac entry, but remember a couple of list emails about it. Is this a known problem/should I enter a bug for it? BillK -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Upgrading u-boot needed ? - Was: Re: "opkg upgrade" breaks USB networking: g_ether module missing
On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 14:09 +0200, Olivier Berger wrote: > Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > > > > | So obviously, the version on u-boot's prompt is not meaningful, > > | then... :( > > | > > | Should I file a bug report ? > > > > Yes, it's telling you about the upstream git version / date I guess, but > > we don't intend to update U-Boot from upstream at all if we can get away > > with it. So only our build info is interesting. > > > > Anyway it is the right build :-) > > > > As you may have seen from my previous message, there's no bug there, > only the fact that I wasn't booting from NAND, but still from the > factory version in NOR. > > I updated http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner in > order to provide more detailed instructions for others that may face > the same situation. > > Thanks for your time. > > Best regards, hmm, I assume the default boot is nand? (that is just pressing the power button) Is it possible to tell on a running FR what it booted from? BillK -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: gta02, 2007.2: state of upgrades
How about sidestepping the issue and have standard "rescue" kernel thats monolithic? - could even be recommended practise to have it on the SD card ready to go (like a dual boot). Doesnt need to be the latest, but have minimal functionality to recover a system. BillK On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 23:14 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > The idea of only one partition is as old as this project. Back then the > killing factor was the speed of U-Boot mounting the jffs2 partition and > reading from it. > -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: "opkg upgrade" breaks USB networking: g_ether module missing
ok, this morning had a lot of opkg updates (utc, 200802) after which usb charging was back to normal. I then flashed uboot with todays daily - charging via laptop/desktop is still 500ma. Somethings improved - the software seems *much* snappier and I like the red aux button to show when its actually alive vs suspended/dead Great! BillK On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 08:03 +0100, Andy Green wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > | Yes, could be this as I am seeing the same messages in the log. I did > | update uboot on the weekend (which is when I got the device). > | > | A wall charger worked normally, its just usb charging (tried a laptop > | and a desktop) thats the problem. > > Well it sounds a bit out of place to say it, but: great. At least we > understand what's happening. > > A wall charger doesn't try to talk with the device over USB, it is > recognized by a magic resistor on the USB ID pin, that's why it works > but host charging didn't. > > I made patches to reduce the probability of this from 50:50 to ~10% and > just sent them out, I didn't find how to eliminate it yet. > > | Which uboot is "safe"? > > I'm not sure. I suspect older U-Boot had lower probability of making > the same problem since we had no idea this was happening until now, and > some of the fixes I added would have been needed on older versions too. > ~ best bet is to update to tomorrow's U-Boot and we'll try to remove the > remaining chance of the problem in the meanwhile. > > http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=00c27eb2887c07a9b6cdf095e7be016ab7e42d52 > http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=d872d1ffdbbaf93de0f9ee95debeb414cc6da90c > http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ebb764a8bfb44786ba80e5102c85cbeaa7139c5 > > - -Andy > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkiStTUACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqCPQCfZARgZXUoe/xNII5iLaT6ac51 > 2XwAn04KpXM6Ku6VqoHvZk744o2zQXah > =6cct > -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
