Re: Best graphics performance?
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Re: Best graphics performance?
On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 11:09 +0100, Chris Syntichakis wrote: 2009/5/27 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com it's very clear that atm the FR doesn't have the horsepower it needs to run navit the problem is that these applications are not optimized for the Freerunner. I can see that when people are talking about UI or gps API's and such, but when applications are slow, I personally like to think that the problem is not that these applications are not optimized for the freerunner, they're not optimized at all. Period. (Of course the authors are probably dividing their time between adding new features and optimizing already implemented ones, so this only reflects the current situation, not their many accomplishments) David ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
freerunner, they're not optimized at all. Period. that's certainly true -- but if you write your app for a commonly used desktop pc it is rather a matter of effort/result relationship how much energy one spends on optimization. the estimated improvements are probably not worth mentioning, so one rather goes for other tasks. that's why i proposed to give away a freerunner, so the developer might actually see optimization make a difference, boosting his spirits ... ;-) ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 10:07 +0200, arne anka wrote: freerunner, they're not optimized at all. Period. that's certainly true -- but if you write your app for a commonly used desktop pc it is rather a matter of effort/result relationship how much energy one spends on optimization. the estimated improvements are probably not worth mentioning, so one rather goes for other tasks. Agreed. that's why i proposed to give away a freerunner, so the developer might actually see optimization make a difference, boosting his spirits ... ;-) To be absolutely clear on this: I think it's a great idea! Of course, unlike most cofundos tasks, we should give the bounty _before_ the task is finished, ;-) David ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
David Fokkema wrote: On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 10:07 +0200, arne anka wrote: freerunner, they're not optimized at all. Period. that's certainly true -- but if you write your app for a commonly used desktop pc it is rather a matter of effort/result relationship how much energy one spends on optimization. the estimated improvements are probably not worth mentioning, so one rather goes for other tasks. Agreed. that's why i proposed to give away a freerunner, so the developer might actually see optimization make a difference, boosting his spirits ... ;-) To be absolutely clear on this: I think it's a great idea! Let's see if the Navit guy)s) thin the same way. For now it looks like nobody is awake there at the mailing list... Of course, unlike most cofundos tasks, we should give the bounty _before_ the task is finished, ;-) Sure. I would only like to use it to track commitment. Because I don't want to buy the phone all by my self. -- MFG Tilman Baumann ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 09:53 +0100, Tilman Baumann wrote: David Fokkema wrote: On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 10:07 +0200, arne anka wrote: freerunner, they're not optimized at all. Period. that's certainly true -- but if you write your app for a commonly used desktop pc it is rather a matter of effort/result relationship how much energy one spends on optimization. the estimated improvements are probably not worth mentioning, so one rather goes for other tasks. Agreed. that's why i proposed to give away a freerunner, so the developer might actually see optimization make a difference, boosting his spirits ... ;-) To be absolutely clear on this: I think it's a great idea! Let's see if the Navit guy)s) thin the same way. For now it looks like nobody is awake there at the mailing list... That's a shame. Hopefully, somebody will wake up before long... Of course, it would be nice to give the FR to a person who's actually looking forward to this task. Of course, unlike most cofundos tasks, we should give the bounty _before_ the task is finished, ;-) Sure. I would only like to use it to track commitment. Because I don't want to buy the phone all by my self. That's a sensible thing to do, ;-) After all, they're not _that_ cheap, unless you happen to go to debconf. David ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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Sure. I would only like to use it to track commitment. Because I don't want to buy the phone all by my self. i don't know how cofundos works (needs some kind of registration probably, which i am averse to), so no way i would register commitment there. but when the share falls below 100€ i am all yours. maybe one of the buzz fixers, who got freerunners over are interested in selling an fr (kind of a two-birds-one-stone situation)? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 11:07 +0200, arne anka wrote: After all, they're not _that_ cheap, unless you happen to go to debconf. huh? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/05/msg3.html ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
yup, i'm also struggling with navit, but navigation worked for me 60% of the drive; sometimes it would just lock up and take up to more than a minute to become responsive again; i think it was due to REcalculation of the route (navit thinks for a moment that i'm not on the highway, but on that little road beside it) it's very clear that atm the FR doesn't have the horsepower it needs to run navit btw: that was a test with navit from more than a month ago i think, maybe the new versions improved (i also used a custom skin, so that could also stress the FR even more) y On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:16 AM, jeffrey.ratcli...@gmail.com wrote: On May 26, 2009 10:42pm, Sten Kvamme s...@kvamme.se wrote: What distro will give the best graphics performance? I've been wondering about this, specifically because Navit seems really slow on SHR or Debian. I'm using a OSM of Germany, although I'd like to have the whole of Europe covered if it were usable. With just Germany, the FR struggles to keep up with the car on the motorway. At lower speeds, it just about manages it. Navigation is a completely impossible, as the extra load means the graphics just can't keep up. Anybody else struggling with Navit? Regards Jeff ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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Yorick Moko wrote: it's very clear that atm the FR doesn't have the horsepower it needs to run navit Hehe, do you want to imply that the FR will gain more horsepower over time? Highly unlikely :). Optimizing navit and reducing other apps RAM usage will of course help, but I doubt that the distros will make the hardware much faster ;P spaetz ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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Hehe, do you want to imply that the FR will gain more horsepower over not necessarily, it's an equation with two terms. since the fr is not likely to change in that respect, navit in turn may -- and to be honest, i certainly hope it will, so far it is unusable as navigation app on the fr and its only advance over tangogps is the use of a comparatively small binary map instead of a huge bunch of tiles. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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2009/5/27 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com it's very clear that atm the FR doesn't have the horsepower it needs to run navit the problem is that these applications are not optimized for the Freerunner. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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Optimizing navit and reducing other apps RAM usage will of course help, but I doubt that the distros will make the hardware much faster ;P Many years ago I remember taking an operating system that was in its third release and requesting the engineers work very hard on memory optimization. Concentrating on that they reduced the booting and running memory footprint by 50%, and as a consequence the operating system ran programs (on the average) 7% faster. 7% may not sound like much, but it can be the difference between sluggish and o.k. This is part of what makes source code availability and open hardware important, so many people can work on things like performance. md ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de wrote: Yorick Moko wrote: it's very clear that atm the FR doesn't have the horsepower it needs to run navit Hehe, do you want to imply that the FR will gain more horsepower over time? Highly unlikely :). Optimizing navit and reducing other apps RAM usage will of course help, but I doubt that the distros will make the hardware much faster ;P :) no i mean't it doesn't have the hp to run the current version of navit i would really like to see navit become usable... had anyone tried a navigation program under android (andnav?) on the fr? might be interesting to port it maybe if it works well... ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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Yorick Moko wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de wrote: Yorick Moko wrote: it's very clear that atm the FR doesn't have the horsepower it needs to run navit Hehe, do you want to imply that the FR will gain more horsepower over time? Highly unlikely :). Optimizing navit and reducing other apps RAM usage will of course help, but I doubt that the distros will make the hardware much faster ;P :) no i mean't it doesn't have the hp to run the current version of navit i would really like to see navit become usable... had anyone tried a navigation program under android (andnav?) on the fr? might be interesting to port it maybe if it works well... Not really. Ok, it works well. But it is tiles based and does routing via a webservice. Therefore it is very dependent on a good internet connection. You can cache tiles, but it is still tiles. I don't like the idea. I would much rather have a vector based program working well. And if you look around, there are a lot around by now for different mobile platforms. I don't think any of these has considerably more horsepower then a FR. A small cheap Satnav (hardware) has probably less power then a FR. But they run well. I'm certain it is doable on a freerunner. Don't ask me what to do, I'm not a computer scientist. But I'm sure it would be possible. -- MFG Tilman Baumann ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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Don't ask me what to do, I'm not a computer scientist. But I'm sure it would be possible. well, maybe we all should chip in and give the navit author a freerunner, to spur his motivation :-) ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:45 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: Don't ask me what to do, I'm not a computer scientist. But I'm sure it would be possible. well, maybe we all should chip in and give the navit author a freerunner, to spur his motivation :-) not a bad idea but first maybe look around if there are not more promissing programs? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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Yorick Moko wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:45 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: Don't ask me what to do, I'm not a computer scientist. But I'm sure it would be possible. well, maybe we all should chip in and give the navit author a freerunner, to spur his motivation :-) not a bad idea but first maybe look around if there are not more promissing programs? You can of course. But I just feel at the moment like supporting navit. -- MFG Tilman Baumann ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Best graphics performance?
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Re: Best graphics performance?
'graphics performance' is a pretty broad category - can you share some details about what exactly you are trying to do? Are you interested in general UI response? blitting rasters to the screen? Rendered 2d vector stuff? 3d? FWIW, I've generally found that QTExtended feels a bit snappier to me than the X based distros under general use - although I haven't quantified that. Warren 2009/5/26 Sten Kvamme s...@kvamme.se Hi, What distro will give the best graphics performance? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
On May 26, 2009 10:42pm, Sten Kvamme s...@kvamme.se wrote: What distro will give the best graphics performance? I've been wondering about this, specifically because Navit seems really slow on SHR or Debian. I'm using a OSM of Germany, although I'd like to have the whole of Europe covered if it were usable. With just Germany, the FR struggles to keep up with the car on the motorway. At lower speeds, it just about manages it. Navigation is a completely impossible, as the extra load means the graphics just can't keep up. Anybody else struggling with Navit? Regards Jeff ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
