Openmoko (was Re: Login screen on firmware upgradation)

2011-03-19 Thread halbtaxabo-om
No contempt for anyone was either expressed or implied.

However, I do see that it was a mistake to reply to a post, instead of opening 
a 
new thread.



- Original Message 
 From: arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de
 To: Support for Openmoko Device Owners support@lists.openmoko.org
 Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 11:58:05 AM
 Subject: Re: Login screen on firmware upgradation
 
 well, there's probably a lot of people finding _your_ message both 
 unneccessary  
and offensive!
 
 - you hijackd a thread completely unrelated to vent your  individual 
frustration insdtead of respecting the request of the op
 - you  tried to force your personal opinion about the state of om on 
 everybody,  
completely ignoring that the people still active an the list very likely think 
 
otherwise
 - you claim to be the one who after a long time of joint  self-deception 
finally speaks the truth -- which is both materially and  factually nonsense. 
the discussion about om being a failure or not is recurrent  and monitoring 
silently the list for month now after a rather lively interest  before, i 
think 
i safely can say, that those people still active completely  disagree with you 
(certainly the op, which you regarded with such contempt,  does)
 
 if whath you posted is your honest opnion, you are free to move on  and leave.
 
 if you think you have new points to make about om's state and  future, you 
 are 
free to open your own thread -- but, please, check the archives  before ...
 
 
  Sorry if I offended you, Dr Schaller.
   However, I respectfully suggest that you look up the word rant in a  
dictionary
  before using it. I found your message offensive.
  
  Nick
  
  
  
  From: Dr. H. Nikolaus  Schaller h...@computer.org
  To: Support  for Openmoko Device Owners support@lists.openmoko.org
   Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 9:17:11 AM
  Subject: Re: Login screen on  firmware upgradation
  
  Hi Nick,
  it must be  said that your rant does not help at all to answer
  the original  support question.
  
  
  Hi Rijul,
   please check that your downloaded image is not corrupted.
  
  
  You can download and compare it with our copy which  we
  have used successfully an uncounted number of times:
  
  
  http://download.goldelico.com/gta02/Moko11/
  
  
  You must also flash the image on the flat memory  card
  (e.g. /dev/sdb) and not into a partition (and not /dev/sdb1 or  /dev/sdb2).
  
  
  To boot from NOR flash, press  the AUX button and
  then power on. The boot menu should appear  within
  a second. Choose boot from SD (ext).
  
  
  Hope this helps,
  Nikolaus
  
  
  
  
  Am 19.03.2011 um 07:53  schrieb halbtaxabo...@yahoo.com:
  
  You know, folks, I think it's time to admit that the Openmoko  project was 
a
  failure, and move on.
  
   It was a great idea and a lot of us supported it with our money as well 
  as  
our
  time, but the device as eventually sold was poorly designed  and badly
  implemented. Even the people who bought it after  several rounds of 
hardware
  bug-fixes got a clunky device with  pathetic battery-life. Since the 
hardware is
  crap, it's not  surprising that software developers didn't exactly flock 
  to 
it.
   Trying to make it usable is flogging a dead horse.
  
  The nearest thing we will get to an open cellphone will  probably be 
something
  made by Samsung, Motorola, or one of the  other big consumer-device 
companies,
  running  Android.
  
  I don't want to offend people, but I  think it's time somebody came out 
  and 
said
  this. If you want to  put your time and effort into Free Software, then 
pick a
   platform that has a future. Your time and effort are valuable even if 
  you  
don't
  get paid for them; don't waste them.
  
  Nick
  
  
  
  
  
  From: Rijul Jain  cyberl...@gmail.com
   To: support@lists.openmoko.org
   Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 5:43:27 AM
  Subject: Login screen  on firmware upgradation
  
   Hey,
  
  i recently got a neo free runner  and wanted to upgrade the firmware to 
openmoko
  11 so i  downloaded the image , wrote it on my uSD card and tried to 
  boot 
it  from
  the phone . It boots up file but after 2 mins , a Green  Coloured 
  Angstrom 
screen
  came and it is stuck at om-gta02  login :_
  
  its been stuck there for hours  and i dont know what to do
  
  Anyhelp  would be appreciated . Thanks
  
   --
  Rijul Jain
  
  
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Re: Openmoko (was Re: Login screen on firmware upgradation)

2011-03-19 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Failure? Not at all. Openmoko, the project, helped to spin a lot of
important movements throughout the industry, and, even more important,
Openmoko Inc., the company, brought the first truly hackable mobile
phone hardware into the hands of 'everyone'. That's a major achievement
and I even go so far to say it's undisputable.

Yes, the hardware was not perfect, and yes, due to a bunch of management
failures combined with the economic crisis a couple of years ago, there
is no more mobile phone hardware coming from Openmoko Inc. To say that
Openmoko, the project, has no future is far from the truth and we can
see that every day watching the action happening on free hard- and
software projects all around the globe, such as GTA04, FSO, SHR, QtMoko.

Yes, much of the action has moved from the Openmoko devices to newer
devices, such as the HTC phones, Palm Pre, Nokia N900, etc., but again,
hardware ages, that's a given, and by no means a fault of Openmoko Inc.,
the company.

Cheers,

-- 
:M:


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