Re: Capacitor for snuffing interference to GPS antenna

2008-08-07 Thread Michael Shiloh


Jim Colton wrote:
 Hey OpenMoko.com hardware team,
 
 Is the voltage on this cap. okay for me to use for the hardware solution 
 to the GPS Problem?  Capacitance is what you suggested... I want to put 
 into place on mine if it is okay.
 
 http://www.westfloridacomponents.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=MON001Category_Code=MonolithicCapacitors-Chip-SurfaceMountStore_Code=wfc
  
 http://www.westfloridacomponents.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=MON001Category_Code=MonolithicCapacitors-Chip-SurfaceMountStore_Code=wfc


I recommend NOT doing this until we understand the problem a bit better.

Michael

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Re: Capacitor for snuffing interference to GPS antenna

2008-08-07 Thread Cesar Eduardo Barros
Thomas Coppens escreveu:
 2008/8/7 Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I recommend NOT doing this until we understand the problem a bit better.

 Michael
 
 Statements on these mailing list are often confusing because the
 origin isn't very clear at times. Perhaps there's a need for an
 official signature in messages originating from OpenMoko staff? Just a
 thought.

Just check the person's name/email against the list at 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Who_is_Who, and you will even know his/her 
attributions within Openmoko[1].

[1] List compiled mostly by random non-Openmoko passers-by. Might be 
incomplete or misleading.

-- 
Cesar Eduardo Barros
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Re: Capacitor for snuffing interference to GPS antenna

2008-07-21 Thread Jim Colton
Thanks Felix,

All I saw from OpenMoko was to use a 10pf, surface mount.  Do you know of a
link from OpenMoko.org or .com that has more detail?   Please refer me to it
if so.
I should be able to find the capacitor here in Denver, CO, USA  - I've not
tried very hard to find it yet.

-Jim


On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Felix Mahnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Jim,

 you should get one at your local parts dealer. Buying one cercap via
 internet is pretty expensive.

 Anyway, farnell sells stuff like this:
 http://export.farnell.com/1327626/passives/product.us0?sku=avx-04025a100dat2a

 regards, Felix


 2008/7/21 Jim Colton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Tommi,

 Did you get the recommended cap (0402) from OpenMoko?   Please refer me to
 the source if so.

 Thank you,
 Jim


 On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Tommi Kärkkäinen 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tim Schmidt kirjoitti:
  On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Jim Colton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 http://www.westfloridacomponents.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=MON001Category_Code=MonolithicCapacitors-Chip-SurfaceMountStore_Code=wfc
 
  Looks like that's 10uF (micro Farad), not 10pF (pico Farad) as
  recommended by OpenMoko.

 Also, it's physically too big. That's a 1206 package, the recommended
 cap is 0402.

 I'm sorry but I must say that the fact that you had to ask this suggests
 that you might not have the experience required to solder the capacitor.
 The 0402 package *is* very small.


 Tommi

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Re: Capacitor for snuffing interference to GPS antenna

2008-07-21 Thread Thomas Krahn
Jim Colton wrote:
 Greetings Felix,

 I see the product on that site.  The capacitance is correct, but how 
 do you know it is the correct voltage?
 All I have seen from OpenMoko is this:  
 http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf

 .. mentioning the capacitance but not the voltage.   Please mail me if 
 you have a link to OpenMoko fully describing the part needed.

 Thank you,

 Jim

Dear Jim,

ceramic 10 pF capacitors are usually available with voltage 
specifications above 100V. Your GPS antenna only carries a couple of 
millivolts (unless you are standing right in the middle of a 
thunderstorm). Therefore the voltage specification is not critical. More 
importantly you should make sure that you get the correct dimensions (in 
mm).

Thomas


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Re: Capacitor for snuffing interference to GPS antenna

2008-07-21 Thread Jim Colton
I see the promising software fix being worked on here:

http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d04b142ffeaa15129f046751f1366b0f0614f47

and some test result...

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/023062.html

So I installed the latest build with the patch and got nice results with the
values of these new glamo driver parameters as they came with the build.

So the hardware fix is looking like a waste to do.

The OpenMoko team is doing a great job and I am confident we will get their
recommendation is short time.


On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Am So  20. Juli 2008 schrieb Jim Colton:
  Hey OpenMoko.com hardware team,
 
  Is the voltage on this cap. okay for me to use for the hardware solution
 to
  the GPS Problem?

 As explained din detail in other posts in this thread, voltage of this
 capacitor is no issue (though it's not exactly on GPS, but between VDD and
 clock of uSDcard). Anything with a voltage 5V will do, as long as it's
 10 picoFarad
 size 0402

 Please note that OM didn't recommend to do this rework yet.
 Also don't even consider to do this rework, if you don't feel comfortable
 with
 soldering SMT-components, or even didn't do this before!

 cheers
 jOERG

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