Re: Updating OM2008 over mingw/ssh
On Mon Nov 29 01:00:00 CET 2010 Brian bneil at rochester.rr.com wrote: On 11/28/2010 01:07 PM, Jared Maddox wrote: After giving up on it for a while, I'm ready to try getting a new distro onto my freerunner (got a cheapo phone for free when ATT did a network migration). Gave up for how long, Gave up for perhaps a half a year? Om2008 was already listed as 'dead', as I best recall, which is part of why I was trying to update the OS in the first place. I was originally planning to go for the last Om release, so that I could bootstrap to something active, but I couldn't ever get the networking to work (to the phone from my computer works, to the internet from my computer works, routing between the two never did). and is the assumption you were using the Neo as a primary cell phone until you got the alternate the reason for not changing sooner? Yes. I'm not going to say that it worked well (badly enough that I've wished often they'd aimed at making the initial distro a PDA distro instead of a phone distro, in fact, since minimal functionality is more likely to wind up full-featured), but it was what I had, and I could do texts (which is all I was, or am, interested in). The reason I ask is that OM2008 is deprecated and no longer developed hence updates probably won't work[1]. It did work for me as a distro but I didn't keep it installed for very long. You also you mention trying a new distro yet the subject is Updating OM2008 over mingw/ssh. I suppose I should have said 'Replace', but I'm currently working under the assumption that I'll have to load some stuff onto the phone to bootstrap from. I've tried the SD card method (haven't managed to figure that out), the flashing method (ditto), Where are you getting stuck? It would help if you could provide more information regarding this. As far as I could tell, the actual reading wasn't working at all, and without a working duplicate I'm not willing to actually flash the phone. I can read over ssh (I think with scp?), which I used to customize the network connection (futile effort), but I'm on a Windows box, and don't have the utilities to pack all of that into a jffs2 image. As for SD, until recently I didn't have an SD card reader/writer, so SD took me back to dfu-util. Even now, I don't have a Windows program capable of dealing with non-Windows partitions. Also, when I went to buy a larger SD card I didn't take enough notes along, and wound up with one of the ones that require a kernel/bootloader switch (and I don't even know where those are, so changing them for the next boot is pretty much impossible). I also wasn't ever clear on where to flash to/from, due to the fact that I don't know the naming convention of the various partitions of NAND and SD that everything's stored on, which is a big part of why I don't want to flash. A few times I've started to load the SD card from within the Freerunner itself (Windows might not be able to deal with Ext partitions, but surely Om2008 can, right?), but ignoring the SD card compatibility issue, I don't know which partitions to load with what, what to mount first, and how to confirm that I actually succeeded in the initial mounting. Any info on that ( and the partition naming scheme ) that you can provide is much appreciated. Which phone do you have (1973/FreeRunner) Freerunner, otherwise I probably would have bought a debug board, and I likely would have just force-fed something down the phone's throat by now. which distro are you trying where are you getting stuck? I initially got stuck on the update/upgrade scripts that I understand shipped with the Freerunner (I recall that the scripts actually did TRY to work). As far as I can tell, it was a networking problem, but I was never able to determine WHERE said problem exists. Is the machine you're using to do the install a Windows PC[3]? Yes, hence Mingw (note: the text-prompt, not the X client (whoever first used the terminology like that should be taken out and shot) ). and the download method (difficult when you can't get to the net at all on the phone). Sorry, don't know of any download method used other than updating a preexisting install so I can't help you there. That was the initial one that I tried, but if that hadn't worked but the network did then I would have just started grabbing things from online to jury-rig however much functionality it took to install new distros the normal way. But I know that I can at least READ FROM the phone with SSH, because I've done that successfully before (and I seem to have accidentally replacedt some stuff too... oops). So, what do I need to do to accomplish an 'in place' upgrade, and which distro would you recommend? In place as in while the phone is running using it to install another OS? Yes, or more specifically, installing enough to bootstrap from. I particular, I'm wanting enough of a keyboard to properly interface with the terminal (the current on-screen
Updating OM2008 over mingw/ssh
After giving up on it for a while, I'm ready to try getting a new distro onto my freerunner (got a cheapo phone for free when ATT did a network migration). I've tried the SD card method (haven't managed to figure that out), the flashing method (ditto), and the download method (difficult when you can't get to the net at all on the phone). But I know that I can at least READ FROM the phone with SSH, because I've done that successfully before (and I seem to have accidentally replacedt some stuff too... oops). So, what do I need to do to accomplish an 'in place' upgrade, and which distro would you recommend? Nothing involving writing to SD card, or flashing, or bridging/etc. network connections, please; I want to figure that out AFTER I update the OS, NOT before. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Updating OM2008 over mingw/ssh
Android: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/ QtMoko: http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page Bye Luca On 11/28/2010 01:07 PM, Jared Maddox wrote: After giving up on it for a while, I'm ready to try getting a new distro onto my freerunner (got a cheapo phone for free when ATT did a network migration). I've tried the SD card method (haven't managed to figure that out), the flashing method (ditto), and the download method (difficult when you can't get to the net at all on the phone). But I know that I can at least READ FROM the phone with SSH, because I've done that successfully before (and I seem to have accidentally replacedt some stuff too... oops). So, what do I need to do to accomplish an 'in place' upgrade, and which distro would you recommend? Nothing involving writing to SD card, or flashing, or bridging/etc. network connections, please; I want to figure that out AFTER I update the OS, NOT before. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Updating OM2008 over mingw/ssh
On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 17:04:18 +0100 luca pisani luca.pis...@birdo.net wrote: Android: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/ QtMoko: http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page Bye Luca I think the OP is having trouble using standard methods, so while useful those links aren't really answering the question. On 11/28/2010 01:07 PM, Jared Maddox wrote: After giving up on it for a while, I'm ready to try getting a new distro onto my freerunner (got a cheapo phone for free when ATT did a network migration). Gave up for how long, and is the assumption you were using the Neo as a primary cell phone until you got the alternate the reason for not changing sooner? The reason I ask is that OM2008 is deprecated and no longer developed hence updates probably won't work[1]. It did work for me as a distro but I didn't keep it installed for very long. You also you mention trying a new distro yet the subject is Updating OM2008 over mingw/ssh. I've tried the SD card method (haven't managed to figure that out), the flashing method (ditto), Where are you getting stuck? It would help if you could provide more information regarding this. Which phone do you have (1973/FreeRunner) which distro are you trying where are you getting stuck? Is the machine you're using to do the install a Windows PC[3]? and the download method (difficult when you can't get to the net at all on the phone). Sorry, don't know of any download method used other than updating a preexisting install so I can't help you there. But I know that I can at least READ FROM the phone with SSH, because I've done that successfully before (and I seem to have accidentally replacedt some stuff too... oops). So, what do I need to do to accomplish an 'in place' upgrade, and which distro would you recommend? In place as in while the phone is running using it to install another OS? It's likely possible to accomplish doing so on the SD card or NAND if you've booted to a working distro that isn't on the target medium and doesn't require the target mounted to run. It's a far more complex task than using dfu-util[4] to install and I've never tried it. Gentoo anyone? As for recommendations Android on Freerunner is probably the easiest method for and will likely require an SD card 512MB. I've used it in the past and found the 1.5 version to be pretty good. You should be able to accomplish setting up an SD card with AoF fairly easily on a Windows PC. It will wipe the NAND, install a new bootloader and take a while on first boot. Backup your contacts by hand if necessary because they'll all be gone for good. If you do manage to figure out dfu-util then that opens up other options like SHR or Qtmoko. Both of these are good distros that are actively maintained. Nothing involving writing to SD card, or flashing, or bridging/etc. network connections, please; I want to figure that out AFTER I update the OS, NOT before. As far as I know this is not possible without substantial effort and skill. If anyone else thinks I'm wrong please correct me. Jared, it sounds like you're in over your head on this one if you haven't been successful using dfu-util. I'd honestly recommend looking for a LUG locally[5] for some hands on help. I'm pretty sure using the subject line help me with my neo 1973/freerunner should garner responses from interested parties. Good Luck, Brian [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xming [3] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/No_Linux [4] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util [5] http://www.linux.org/groups/ ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
