Re: Cross Deletion

2012-02-15 Thread Etan Reisner
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 08:11:07PM +, Joe Fedorowicz wrote:
 We currently have an XMPP setup, but there is one major glitch. Basically, 
 when a user removes somebody from their buddy list, they are themselves 
 removed from that other persons' list. This is a major problem as our lists 
 change frequently.

This is the way this is supposed to work. The buddy list serves a number
of duties in XMPP. Beyond the normal usage of being a list of
people/entities you would like quick access to it is also the mechanism by
which permissions granted to other people to see one's own status are
stored (and vice versa).

When someone requests to add you to their buddy list and you grant them
permission that permission is stored in your roster. When you remove
someone from your roster you also revoke that permission (thus rendering
the other person unable to see your online status anymore). This doesn't
remove you from their buddy list but it will make you never show up as
online (showing offline buddies should still show you as
offline/unauthorized/etc. though).

If you want to stop being party to someone else's online status then the
proper thing to do is to unsubscribe from their presence
(e.g. right-click-Unsubscribe in pidgin). This will leave them on your
buddy list and thus leave your grant of permission to them intact.

Does that make sense?

-Etan

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RE: Cross Deletion

2012-02-15 Thread Joe Fedorowicz
It makes perfect sense now. As a secondary question, is there a way (plugin or 
otherwise) to not allow this? Is there a way to disable the delete button?

Thank you, 

~Joe


-Original Message-
From: support-boun...@pidgin.im [mailto:support-boun...@pidgin.im] On Behalf Of 
Etan Reisner
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:17 PM
To: support@pidgin.im
Subject: Re: Cross Deletion

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 08:11:07PM +, Joe Fedorowicz wrote:
 We currently have an XMPP setup, but there is one major glitch. Basically, 
 when a user removes somebody from their buddy list, they are themselves 
 removed from that other persons' list. This is a major problem as our lists 
 change frequently.

This is the way this is supposed to work. The buddy list serves a number of 
duties in XMPP. Beyond the normal usage of being a list of people/entities you 
would like quick access to it is also the mechanism by which permissions 
granted to other people to see one's own status are stored (and vice versa).

When someone requests to add you to their buddy list and you grant them 
permission that permission is stored in your roster. When you remove someone 
from your roster you also revoke that permission (thus rendering the other 
person unable to see your online status anymore). This doesn't remove you from 
their buddy list but it will make you never show up as online (showing offline 
buddies should still show you as offline/unauthorized/etc. though).

If you want to stop being party to someone else's online status then the proper 
thing to do is to unsubscribe from their presence (e.g. 
right-click-Unsubscribe in pidgin). This will leave them on your buddy list 
and thus leave your grant of permission to them intact.

Does that make sense?

-Etan

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