Re: Away status indicator/icon missing in IRC channel user list

2013-12-12 Thread Ethan Blanton
Kaarel Jõgi spake unto us the following wisdom:
 I am looking for easy to see away status indicator/icon for irc
 channel user list, however can not find a way to turn it on in any
 options or plugins.
 
 Away status is available in rightclick-info panel and status changes
 can be seen in main window messages but this does not give instant
 overview.  Can anyone help me figure out how to get away icons in irc?
  Brief look at the code hints that that information is queried for
 channel but i cant make out why its not used.

We no longer request this information automatically, because it
engenders a large amount of traffic and was causing users in a large
number of channels or in very large channels to be booted from some
servers for flooding.  The root problem is that IRC has no plan for
this, so in order to maintain this information the client must
manually and repeatedly request status for *every* user in every
channel to which it is joined.  This is, of course, very noisy and
wasteful.  Normal IM protocols allow the user to say something like I
am interested in away status for the users in #pidgin, after which
the server sends only *updates* to this information.  IRC has no such
functionality.

So, long story short, Pidgin doesn't do this.

Ethan

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Re: Away status indicator/icon missing in IRC channel user list

2013-12-07 Thread Mark Doliner
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Kaarel Jõgi zurg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Away status is available in rightclick-info panel and status changes
 can be seen in main window messages but this does not give instant
 overview.  Can anyone help me figure out how to get away icons in irc?
  Brief look at the code hints that that information is queried for
 channel but i cant make out why its not used.

I believe Pidgin itself does not have this functionality. You would
probably need to do one of the following:
1. Write a plugin that does this
2. Find a plugin that does this
3. Code the changes directly in Pidgin

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Re: Away status indicator/icon missing in IRC channel user list

2013-12-05 Thread Kaarel Jõgi
No. IRC chat participant list, which is part of irc chat window, only shows
yellow star and flag icons for channel admins.  No status, neither green or
clock.

If i add irc user to main buddy list, green icon is always shown regardless
of away status.

This was observed with latest linux and windows clients on multiple IRC
servers.

Ideas?


On 4 December 2013 20:15, Tres Finocchiaro tres.finocchi...@gmail.comwrote:

 @Kaarel,

 Generally speaking the Green Icon appears next to the name when they are
 available and it switches to a small clock icon when they are away.

 Are you not observing this behavior?

 [image: Inline image 2]


 -Tres

 - tres.finocchi...@gmail.com


 On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Kaarel Jõgi zurg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am looking for easy to see away status indicator/icon for irc
 channel user list, however can not find a way to turn it on in any
 options or plugins.

 Away status is available in rightclick-info panel and status changes
 can be seen in main window messages but this does not give instant
 overview.  Can anyone help me figure out how to get away icons in irc?
  Brief look at the code hints that that information is queried for
 channel but i cant make out why its not used.

 zrg

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Re: Away status indicator/icon missing in IRC channel user list

2013-12-05 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
I see an IRC Away plugin.  Is that (perhaps) a work-around?

-Tres

- tres.finocchi...@gmail.com


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Kaarel Jõgi zurg...@gmail.com wrote:

 No. IRC chat participant list, which is part of irc chat window, only
 shows yellow star and flag icons for channel admins.  No status, neither
 green or clock.

 If i add irc user to main buddy list, green icon is always shown
 regardless of away status.

 This was observed with latest linux and windows clients on multiple IRC
 servers.

 Ideas?


 On 4 December 2013 20:15, Tres Finocchiaro tres.finocchi...@gmail.comwrote:

 @Kaarel,

 Generally speaking the Green Icon appears next to the name when they are
 available and it switches to a small clock icon when they are away.

 Are you not observing this behavior?

 [image: Inline image 2]


 -Tres

 - tres.finocchi...@gmail.com


 On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Kaarel Jõgi zurg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am looking for easy to see away status indicator/icon for irc
 channel user list, however can not find a way to turn it on in any
 options or plugins.

 Away status is available in rightclick-info panel and status changes
 can be seen in main window messages but this does not give instant
 overview.  Can anyone help me figure out how to get away icons in irc?
  Brief look at the code hints that that information is queried for
 channel but i cant make out why its not used.

 zrg

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Re: Away status indicator/icon missing in IRC channel user list

2013-12-05 Thread Kaarel Jõgi
Changes your IRC nick to indicate you are away.
No, that is not it.  Setting your own status works fine.
Perhaps this is a question for dev list?


On 5 December 2013 07:52, Tres Finocchiaro tres.finocchi...@gmail.comwrote:

 I see an IRC Away plugin.  Is that (perhaps) a work-around?

 -Tres

 - tres.finocchi...@gmail.com


 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Kaarel Jõgi zurg...@gmail.com wrote:

 No. IRC chat participant list, which is part of irc chat window, only
 shows yellow star and flag icons for channel admins.  No status, neither
 green or clock.

 If i add irc user to main buddy list, green icon is always shown
 regardless of away status.

 This was observed with latest linux and windows clients on multiple IRC
 servers.

 Ideas?


 On 4 December 2013 20:15, Tres Finocchiaro tres.finocchi...@gmail.comwrote:

 @Kaarel,

 Generally speaking the Green Icon appears next to the name when they are
 available and it switches to a small clock icon when they are away.

 Are you not observing this behavior?

 [image: Inline image 2]


 -Tres

 - tres.finocchi...@gmail.com


 On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Kaarel Jõgi zurg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am looking for easy to see away status indicator/icon for irc
 channel user list, however can not find a way to turn it on in any
 options or plugins.

 Away status is available in rightclick-info panel and status changes
 can be seen in main window messages but this does not give instant
 overview.  Can anyone help me figure out how to get away icons in irc?
  Brief look at the code hints that that information is queried for
 channel but i cant make out why its not used.

 zrg

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Re: Away status indicator/icon missing in IRC channel user list

2013-12-05 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
@Kaarel,

That is very likely.  I can't find much about it on the internet with the
exception of old bug reports that are marked as closed.  The devs are
probably the next best place to go, although many of them monitor the
support list as well.

-Tres

- tres.finocchi...@gmail.com


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Kaarel Jõgi zurg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Changes your IRC nick to indicate you are away.
 No, that is not it.  Setting your own status works fine.
 Perhaps this is a question for dev list?


 On 5 December 2013 07:52, Tres Finocchiaro tres.finocchi...@gmail.comwrote:

 I see an IRC Away plugin.  Is that (perhaps) a work-around?

 -Tres

 - tres.finocchi...@gmail.com


 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Kaarel Jõgi zurg...@gmail.com wrote:

 No. IRC chat participant list, which is part of irc chat window, only
 shows yellow star and flag icons for channel admins.  No status, neither
 green or clock.

 If i add irc user to main buddy list, green icon is always shown
 regardless of away status.

 This was observed with latest linux and windows clients on multiple IRC
 servers.

 Ideas?


 On 4 December 2013 20:15, Tres Finocchiaro 
 tres.finocchi...@gmail.comwrote:

 @Kaarel,

 Generally speaking the Green Icon appears next to the name when they
 are available and it switches to a small clock icon when they are away.

 Are you not observing this behavior?

 [image: Inline image 2]


 -Tres

 - tres.finocchi...@gmail.com


 On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Kaarel Jõgi zurg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am looking for easy to see away status indicator/icon for irc
 channel user list, however can not find a way to turn it on in any
 options or plugins.

 Away status is available in rightclick-info panel and status changes
 can be seen in main window messages but this does not give instant
 overview.  Can anyone help me figure out how to get away icons in irc?
  Brief look at the code hints that that information is queried for
 channel but i cant make out why its not used.

 zrg

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Away status indicator/icon missing in IRC channel user list

2013-12-04 Thread Kaarel Jõgi
I am looking for easy to see away status indicator/icon for irc
channel user list, however can not find a way to turn it on in any
options or plugins.

Away status is available in rightclick-info panel and status changes
can be seen in main window messages but this does not give instant
overview.  Can anyone help me figure out how to get away icons in irc?
 Brief look at the code hints that that information is queried for
channel but i cant make out why its not used.

zrg

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Re: Away status indicator/icon missing in IRC channel user list

2013-12-04 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
@Kaarel,

Generally speaking the Green Icon appears next to the name when they are
available and it switches to a small clock icon when they are away.

Are you not observing this behavior?

[image: Inline image 2]


-Tres

- tres.finocchi...@gmail.com


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Kaarel Jõgi zurg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am looking for easy to see away status indicator/icon for irc
 channel user list, however can not find a way to turn it on in any
 options or plugins.

 Away status is available in rightclick-info panel and status changes
 can be seen in main window messages but this does not give instant
 overview.  Can anyone help me figure out how to get away icons in irc?
  Brief look at the code hints that that information is queried for
 channel but i cant make out why its not used.

 zrg

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