Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
On or about 1/30/2010 1:03 AM, Lou typed the following: Russell wrote: As someone who's been on the web since the beginning with Mosaic , then Netscape, then AOL Netscape (ugh) , then Netscape re-born as Seamonkey, it's a sad day to have to give up and move on, The end comes with v2.x, Seamonkey and the decision to no longer be a simple browser, but that it must be an ‘all or nothing' suite. So if you need to use another email client then it will just screw up your whole way of working. I'm convinced that this was a ‘behind the doors' decision with the Firefox crowd to justify Mozilla supporting a second browser project, and they then agreed that Seamonkey would only continue as an integrated suite, and that's the only way users will be able to use it (fatal error imo). The Firefox crowd will be happy to hear that I know of at least 5 users (this week alone) who have moved to other browsers as there is no upgrade path for them beyond v1.1.18. Meanwhile Firefox continues to offer an email client (Thunderbird) as a OPTION and that's probably where they will go, as have I, for now. But this whole thing smacks of nasty backroom BS. I'll hold my nose and use Firefox for now. But it's sad to have to say goodbye to a browser I've used and promoted for so many years. R. Why would you want to use another E-mail client? I think that most people that gravitate towards Seamonkey do it because of the all-in-one browser/e-mail client integration. Lou Absolutely. That is just one of the reasons I've used Netscape, Mozilla, and now SeaMonkey. -- Ed http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1zhwu My first thought is usually wrong, criminal, or selfish. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
IE Tab and Windows 7?
Does IE Tab v1.5 work with SM 1.1.18 and Windows 7 64-bit? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Russell schrieb: I'm convinced that this was a ‘behind the doors' decision with the Firefox crowd to justify Mozilla supporting a second browser project, and they then agreed that Seamonkey would only continue as an integrated suite, and that's the only way users will be able to use it (fatal error imo). It's interesting that you know of decisions the project organizing way doesn't know about. It must be nice to see conspiracies everywhere. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey Requesting user name and password for newsgroups
Leonidas Jones wrote: Eric wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Eric wrote: This just started yesterday. Every time I start Seamonkey it requests that I input the user name and password for access to the newsgroups. I haven't done anything to Seamonkey recently. Any ideas? TIA Eric Is this happening on this server, another server all servers? I would say check your account settings, but we need more information to give any real specific help. Lee This is happening on my ISP (Kinda) Server. I connect via Verizon but support efn.org a local grassroots organization that provides internet service. Anyway I don't have the settings requiring authorization on connecting and I'm using port 119 and the connection security selection is none. Windows Vista Home Premium 32bit DSL 128K Seamonkey 2.0.2 So far as I know, Verizon has discontinued newsgroup access, so your answer does not compute ;) In SM 2.0.2, you must have at least one newsgroup account set up. For example, to post here, one would expect that you ahve an account set up for news.mozilla.org. You may have others, there are several free and paid news servers out there, but Verizon no longer supplies one. So, on which account or accounts are you ahving this problem? Is it here on news.mozilla.org, on another account, or on all accounts? Lee I use News Eternal-September and it happened to me,. I fiddle and fiddled, in the end it started to work. Sadly I had b*ggered about so much I don't know what actually cured it. Initially I put in the correct name and password, but it still failed. -- Please reply to group,emails to designated address are never read. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote: BeeNeR wrote: snip Absolutely. That is just one of the reasons I've used Netscape, Mozilla, and now SeaMonkey. Yes. When did the integration take place? Netscape version 3.0 or so? The first version I used was Netscape 3.0.a.Gold which I had to pay $35.00 Buck for. it was received on a CD and had a Paper Back 200 page manual. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey Requesting user name and password for newsgroups
Eric wrote: This just started yesterday. Every time I start Seamonkey it requests that I input the user name and password for access to the newsgroups. I haven't done anything to Seamonkey recently. Any ideas? TIA Eric A similar thing has been happening since I updated to SM 2.0.2. I follow newsgroups from 4 servers: Cox, GRC, Mozilla, Mozdev. A single user name/password requester appears when I first open SM Mail Newsgroups. I cancel or close the requester without entering anything, then the messages from all the servers except Mozdev download normally. The single Mozdev newsgroup may just be inactive. All the servers have the same settings except for the server names. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Russell wrote: The end comes with v2.x, Seamonkey and the decision to no longer be a simple browser, but that it must be an ‘all or nothing' suite. So if you need to use another email client then it will just screw up your whole way of working. I'm convinced that this was a ‘behind the doors' decision with the Firefox crowd to justify Mozilla supporting a second browser project, and they then agreed that Seamonkey would only continue as an integrated suite, and that's the only way users will be able to use it (fatal error imo). The real story is that for SeaMonkey 2.0, the backend was switched from the unmaintained XPFE, used for SeaMonkey 1.x, to toolkit, used by Firefox and Thunderbird. This also meant using toolkit's installer. Because Firefox and Thunderbird are stand-alone applications, before SeaMonkey came along there was no reason to support installation of separate application components, as there was only one. Hence why the toolkit installer doesn't support it. All it supports is installing additional extensions. As mailnews is not an extension, it wasn't possible to package it as a separate component. Maybe in the future the toolkit installer will support additional components. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Robert Kaiser wrote: Russell schrieb: I'm convinced that this was a ‘behind the doors' decision with the Firefox crowd to justify Mozilla supporting a second browser project, and they then agreed that Seamonkey would only continue as an integrated suite, and that's the only way users will be able to use it (fatal error imo). It's interesting that you know of decisions the project organizing way doesn't know about. It must be nice to see conspiracies everywhere. Robert Kaiser I don't know that I'd call it conspiracy, but in looking at Firefox, Safari, Camino, Google Chrome, and now SM 2.x there certainly seems to be a vast amount of code sharing/swapping going on...the default interfaces are in a lot of cases nearly identical with the exception of colors in some cases. And though SM still offers more Pref settings choices, the Prefs choices available in the others are also near to identical. At least that's the impression I'm left with after a high level look at all of the Mac versions. If this is to be/become the case, the OP certainly has a point about loss of independence (either by choice or necessity) of code and functionality for all of the efforts - not just SM. If that's a business decision then that's the decision...but it sort of does bode for less genuine choice for the user between the packages in the end. One of the major draws to SM for me other than it being an integrated suite was that it did things and allowed me choices I couldn't get elsewhere...some of those features noticably vanished with SM 2.x.x, and the thought that this could be a trend is responsible for me looking for alternatives, too. As I've stated previously, if I could blend one or two key features of Opera with everything I had in SM 1.1.18 I'd declare near perfection. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
rendering of a page
Please have a look at: http://www.dekalbtexas.org/ and note the overlay in several places. Is this a SeaMonkey problem or sorry HTML coding. In viewing the source, it is horribly bloated and I suspect it is there. Thanks. w. -- From HP computer, SM browser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: rendering of a page
Walter wrote: Please have a look at: http://www.dekalbtexas.org/ and note the overlay in several places. Is this a SeaMonkey problem or sorry HTML coding. In viewing the source, it is horribly bloated and I suspect it is there. Thanks. w. According to http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dekalbtexas.org%2Fcharset=(detect+automatically)doctype=Inlinegroup=0, there are 542 errors in that page. Yowch! -JW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Russell schrieb: I'm convinced that this was a ‘behind the doors' decision with the Firefox crowd to justify Mozilla supporting a second browser project, and they then agreed that Seamonkey would only continue as an integrated suite, and that's the only way users will be able to use it (fatal error imo). It's interesting that you know of decisions the project organizing way doesn't know about. It must be nice to see conspiracies everywhere. Robert Kaiser I don't know that I'd call it conspiracy, but in looking at Firefox, Safari, Camino, Google Chrome, and now SM 2.x there certainly seems to be a vast amount of code sharing/swapping going on...the default interfaces are in a lot of cases nearly identical with the exception of colors in some cases. And though SM still offers more Pref settings choices, the Prefs choices available in the others are also near to identical. At least that's the impression I'm left with after a high level look at all of the Mac versions. If this is to be/become the case, the OP certainly has a point about loss of independence (either by choice or necessity) of code and functionality for all of the efforts - not just SM. If that's a business decision then that's the decision...but it sort of does bode for less genuine choice for the user between the packages in the end. Here I must agree, Seamonkey seems to have moved from being a project with its own flavor, to being a mashup of FF and TB. I still find it useful, but the two things I find most missing are never going to be there because they are not in the base codes of FF and TB. One of the major draws to SM for me other than it being an integrated suite was that it did things and allowed me choices I couldn't get elsewhere...some of those features noticably vanished with SM 2.x.x, and the thought that this could be a trend is responsible for me looking for alternatives, too. I am sad that SM went with the FF browser intead of following the webkit route, but I realize Moz politics are involved, and siding with Chrome and Safari (IIRC) going another way wasn't politically possible, but those two projects seem to have chosen the best tech out there without political consideration, and they seem to be feeding stuff back into it. As I've stated previously, if I could blend one or two key features of Opera with everything I had in SM 1.1.18 I'd declare near perfection. The removal of form manager leaves me on 1.1.18 until the heat death of the universe, I simply am not happy with 2.0.x or the extensions available for forms, so that's kind of a dead end. The whole premise of forms as they are is wrong, it's a form field manager, not treating the form as a whole but a collection of possible vales for the fields. I want watched threads in mail, too, but we never had that. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Rufus schrieb: I don't know that I'd call it conspiracy, but in looking at Firefox, Safari, Camino, Google Chrome, and now SM 2.x there certainly seems to be a vast amount of code sharing/swapping going on... Chrome and Safari share code with each other but don't share any code with any of the others, so you're wrong here. The second time in this thread that people make wrong assumptions about what I'm doing all day as a project coordinator for SeaMonkey. As I've stated previously, if I could blend one or two key features of Opera with everything I had in SM 1.1.18 I'd declare near perfection. Opera isn't open source, but you know what the features are that you want and SeaMonkey is open source in all versions, so just try to do it, and you'll be happy. ;-) Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: rendering of a page
Walter wrote: Please have a look at: http://www.dekalbtexas.org/ and note the overlay in several places. Is this a SeaMonkey problem or sorry HTML coding. In viewing the source, it is horribly bloated and I suspect it is there. Thanks. w. The page was done with some sort of MS Office product, and has the resulting dreadful coding, and a very cheap appearance to it to boot. That being said, I don't notice any overlapping of page elements. I tried zooming the text and got some, try with the zoom at original size and see if that help. To be sure, a Chamber of COmmerce trying to sell their city ought to do better then this, but its ll readable from here, SM 2.0.2 on Mac Snow Leopard. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: rendering of a page
Leonidas Jones: [http://www.dekalbtexas.org/] That being said, I don't notice any overlapping of page elements. Uncheck 'Allow documents to use other fonts' and/or set Minimum font size high enough. ;) With my usual settings the side looks indeed horrible. Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey Requesting user name and password for newsgroups
Eric wrote: This just started yesterday. Every time I start Seamonkey it requests that I input the user name and password for access to the newsgroups. I haven't done anything to Seamonkey recently. Any ideas? Same thing happened here on two separate computers accessing the same newsgroup server (Giganews). Note that I access the newsgroups from BOTH machines at least once each day. My main desktop computer was first and it's been so long that I've had to enter the userid and password that I'd forgotten it (and it had mysteriously vanished from the saved passwords on that computer). Fortunately I was able to look this information up on my laptop. Then, about a month later, the laptop started asking for the same userid and password. Thanks to the desktop failure previously I had this information on hand and written down. I've been using Giganews for over two years (since Verizon caved into the NYSAG's office and decided that since ANY news group could hide child pornography they'll eliminate access to damn near ALL of them) and this is the FIRST time this has happened. -- Jaime A. Cruz President Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club http://www.nassauwings.org/ AMA District 34 http://www.AMADistrict34.com/ Pop's Run http://www.popsrun.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: I don't know that I'd call it conspiracy, but in looking at Firefox, Safari, Camino, Google Chrome, and now SM 2.x there certainly seems to be a vast amount of code sharing/swapping going on... Chrome and Safari share code with each other but don't share any code with any of the others, so you're wrong here. The second time in this thread that people make wrong assumptions about what I'm doing all day as a project coordinator for SeaMonkey. Yeah, they may part ways under the hood, but from a user standpoint I really don't care about that - I'm going to use the product, not tinker with it. They all look and feel nearly identical, so all those folks are sharing ideas at a minimum. As I've stated previously, if I could blend one or two key features of Opera with everything I had in SM 1.1.18 I'd declare near perfection. Opera isn't open source, but you know what the features are that you want and SeaMonkey is open source in all versions, so just try to do it, and you'll be happy. ;-) Robert Kaiser The biggest one is opening Mail/News in a tab vice a second window of it's own - that's integrated and really slick, especially on a laptop, and in particular with Spaces in Mac OS X. Saves desk real estate in a way I wouldn't have considered until I'd actually used it. Just combine that one feature with the ability to tab Mail as it stands now under SM 2.x.x and you've got a winner, IMO. One of the other interesting thing about Opera is that it's about:config page has an ability built in to reset it to default - I'm not one for fooling around in about:config, but that certainly seems a prudent feature for someone that is... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Bill Davidsen schrieb: I still find it useful, but the two things I find most missing are never going to be there because they are not in the base codes of FF and TB. Unless someone comes up and writes code that implements them based on the SM2 base - and everyone is welcome to that. I am sad that SM went with the FF browser intead of following the webkit route Webkit was never in any discussion, I wonder why you think it was. Mozilla is not in any way related to Webkit and SeaMonkey is and always was a complete Mozilla project. So I have no idea what you are up to here right now other than to play a troll... I want watched threads in mail, too, but we never had that. Feel free to write a patch. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Rufus schrieb: The biggest one is opening Mail/News in a tab vice a second window of it's own - that's integrated and really slick, especially on a laptop, and in particular with Spaces in Mac OS X. Saves desk real estate in a way I wouldn't have considered until I'd actually used it. Just combine that one feature with the ability to tab Mail as it stands now under SM 2.x.x and you've got a winner, IMO. Actually - believe it or not - that's in our plans for the future. But it will need a good bit of more work and is probably still quite a way down the road. One of the other interesting thing about Opera is that it's about:config page has an ability built in to reset it to default - I'm not one for fooling around in about:config, but that certainly seems a prudent feature for someone that is... Sounds interesting! Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: rendering of a page
J. Weaver Jr. wrote: Walter wrote: Please have a look at: http://www.dekalbtexas.org/ and note the overlay in several places. Is this a SeaMonkey problem or sorry HTML coding. In viewing the source, it is horribly bloated and I suspect it is there. Thanks. w. According to http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dekalbtexas.org%2Fcharset=(detect+automatically)doctype=Inlinegroup=0, there are 542 errors in that page. Yowch! -JW -- From HP computer, SM browser J., Just as I suspected, the creator used some sort of junky program to create it. See: http://dktcoc.home.att.net for another page relating to the same subject. You will find several errors there but you will also find the coding of a beginner in web page building who likes to code each line, and know what it is going to do. Thanks for all the comments. w. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: The biggest one is opening Mail/News in a tab vice a second window of it's own - that's integrated and really slick, especially on a laptop, and in particular with Spaces in Mac OS X. Saves desk real estate in a way I wouldn't have considered until I'd actually used it. Just combine that one feature with the ability to tab Mail as it stands now under SM 2.x.x and you've got a winner, IMO. Actually - believe it or not - that's in our plans for the future. But it will need a good bit of more work and is probably still quite a way down the road. That's encouraging...seriously, one has to use it to see what a boon it will be, but wow! What a great feature. I'm still undecided on how much I like or don't like navigating the Sidebar using tabs, though...I guess I'm a grippie-cripple... One of the other interesting thing about Opera is that it's about:config page has an ability built in to reset it to default - I'm not one for fooling around in about:config, but that certainly seems a prudent feature for someone that is... Sounds interesting! Robert Kaiser Yeah...was a bit of a surprise to me. And yet another thing that leads one to suspect code sharing...or at least idea sharing - I had no reason to even think there would be an about:config in Opera, yet there it was/is... My biggest kick against Opera is that it's pref selections are sort of shotgunned all over the place and easy to get lot in - too many menus...I think the attempt was/is to make them coincident with whatever is being displayed, but it ends up being a mess to sort though - one can, but it's not all that intuitive. And I'm still trying to figure out how to get it to connect it's Mail client using standard SSL vice TLS...but I do seem to be liking more and more of a lot of the things it does. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: I don't know that I'd call it conspiracy, but in looking at Firefox, Safari, Camino, Google Chrome, and now SM 2.x there certainly seems to be a vast amount of code sharing/swapping going on... Chrome and Safari share code with each other but don't share any code with any of the others, so you're wrong here. The second time in this thread that people make wrong assumptions about what I'm doing all day as a project coordinator for SeaMonkey. Yeah, they may part ways under the hood, but from a user standpoint I really don't care about that - I'm going to use the product, not tinker with it. They all look and feel nearly identical, so all those folks are sharing ideas at a minimum. As I've stated previously, if I could blend one or two key features of Opera with everything I had in SM 1.1.18 I'd declare near perfection. Opera isn't open source, but you know what the features are that you want and SeaMonkey is open source in all versions, so just try to do it, and you'll be happy. ;-) Robert Kaiser The biggest one is opening Mail/News in a tab vice a second window of it's own - that's integrated and really slick, especially on a laptop, and in particular with Spaces in Mac OS X. Saves desk real estate in a way I wouldn't have considered until I'd actually used it. Just combine that one feature with the ability to tab Mail as it stands now under SM 2.x.x and you've got a winner, IMO. One of the other interesting thing about Opera is that it's about:config page has an ability built in to reset it to default - I'm not one for fooling around in about:config, but that certainly seems a prudent feature for someone that is... Of all of the browsers iCab seems to be the fastest. For me and Safari and all using the same engine are actually slower than SM 2. I am unsure, iCab I don't know if it webkit or Gecko. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: The biggest one is opening Mail/News in a tab vice a second window of it's own - that's integrated and really slick, especially on a laptop, and in particular with Spaces in Mac OS X. Saves desk real estate in a way I wouldn't have considered until I'd actually used it. Just combine that one feature with the ability to tab Mail as it stands now under SM 2.x.x and you've got a winner, IMO. Actually - believe it or not - that's in our plans for the future. But it will need a good bit of more work and is probably still quite a way down the road. One of the other interesting thing about Opera is that it's about:config page has an ability built in to reset it to default - I'm not one for fooling around in about:config, but that certainly seems a prudent feature for someone that is... Sounds interesting! Robert Kaiser No! No! No! No! No tabs in Email/ News that are enough of a PIA in the browser. If they are I want a switch to turn them off. Has ever one gone daft?! In Opera You can't even turn tabs completely off. You can fix it so it goes from window to window, but the Toolbar shows that %^$ Tab. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: I don't know that I'd call it conspiracy, but in looking at Firefox, Safari, Camino, Google Chrome, and now SM 2.x there certainly seems to be a vast amount of code sharing/swapping going on... Chrome and Safari share code with each other but don't share any code with any of the others, so you're wrong here. The second time in this thread that people make wrong assumptions about what I'm doing all day as a project coordinator for SeaMonkey. Yeah, they may part ways under the hood, but from a user standpoint I really don't care about that - I'm going to use the product, not tinker with it. They all look and feel nearly identical, so all those folks are sharing ideas at a minimum. As I've stated previously, if I could blend one or two key features of Opera with everything I had in SM 1.1.18 I'd declare near perfection. Opera isn't open source, but you know what the features are that you want and SeaMonkey is open source in all versions, so just try to do it, and you'll be happy. ;-) Robert Kaiser The biggest one is opening Mail/News in a tab vice a second window of it's own - that's integrated and really slick, especially on a laptop, and in particular with Spaces in Mac OS X. Saves desk real estate in a way I wouldn't have considered until I'd actually used it. Just combine that one feature with the ability to tab Mail as it stands now under SM 2.x.x and you've got a winner, IMO. One of the other interesting thing about Opera is that it's about:config page has an ability built in to reset it to default - I'm not one for fooling around in about:config, but that certainly seems a prudent feature for someone that is... Of all of the browsers iCab seems to be the fastest. For me and Safari and all using the same engine are actually slower than SM 2. I am unsure, iCab I don't know if it webkit or Gecko. I must be blessed with one heck of an ISP infrastructure...I never seem to notice speed when it comes to fooling around with browsers...at least, nothing I would attribute to the browser. And I did notice that while everyone else seems to be dropping Usenet access, mine has actually been improved in the last couple months - both retention and speedwise. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: The biggest one is opening Mail/News in a tab vice a second window of it's own - that's integrated and really slick, especially on a laptop, and in particular with Spaces in Mac OS X. Saves desk real estate in a way I wouldn't have considered until I'd actually used it. Just combine that one feature with the ability to tab Mail as it stands now under SM 2.x.x and you've got a winner, IMO. Actually - believe it or not - that's in our plans for the future. But it will need a good bit of more work and is probably still quite a way down the road. One of the other interesting thing about Opera is that it's about:config page has an ability built in to reset it to default - I'm not one for fooling around in about:config, but that certainly seems a prudent feature for someone that is... Sounds interesting! Robert Kaiser No! No! No! No! No tabs in Email/ News that are enough of a PIA in the browser. If they are I want a switch to turn them off. Has ever one gone daft?! In Opera You can't even turn tabs completely off. You can fix it so it goes from window to window, but the Toolbar shows that %^$ Tab. Another thing you can do in Opera is default toolbars to tabs...I seriously love Operas tabs - the Mail/News implementation in particular. I can't wait to see this feature in SM! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: rendering of a page
J. Weaver Jr. wrote: Walter wrote: Please have a look at: http://www.dekalbtexas.org/ and note the overlay in several places. Is this a SeaMonkey problem or sorry HTML coding. In viewing the source, it is horribly bloated and I suspect it is there. Thanks. w. According to http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dekalbtexas.org%2Fcharset=(detect+automatically)doctype=Inlinegroup=0, there are 542 errors in that page. Yowch! -JW The HTML (Tidy) Validator shows at least 138 error this is one line of over 600 iCab caught: CSS Error (1784, 50): The pseudo-class 0 is unknown. Must have been written with Front page. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
I'm sticking with v1.1.18 because of the add ons (mainly RoboForm). I'd be curious to see how many of you are also sticking with v1.1.18 for the time being. Reasons?? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
Mike C wrote: I'm sticking with v1.1.18 because of the add ons (mainly RoboForm). I'd be curious to see how many of you are also sticking with v1.1.18 for the time being. Reasons?? 2.0.2 worked for me from the beginning. I cannot imagine going back No Addons Manager, no RSS feeds? I could live with an extension for RSS, but being able to manage extensions and themes easily is very much worth the 2.0.2 upgrade for me. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: rendering of a page
On 1/30/2010 12:33 PM, Walter wrote: Please have a look at: http://www.dekalbtexas.org/ and note the overlay in several places. Is this a SeaMonkey problem or sorry HTML coding. In viewing the source, it is horribly bloated and I suspect it is there. Thanks. w. Some of the blocks of text are actually in graphics files. This includes the contact information for the Chamber of Commerce and the current board members (two separate GIF files). Even the caption on the photo of the sunset is a GIF file. These don't resize. They do get overlaid by actual text, depending on how I zoom; my default sizing shows some overlays. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
Mike C wrote: I'm sticking with v1.1.18 because of the add ons (mainly RoboForm). I'd be curious to see how many of you are also sticking with v1.1.18 for the time being. Reasons?? I've upgraded my MacBook Pro and a couple of the other machines around the house to the 2.x.x series, but I'm sticking with 1.1.18 on my Intel iMac, which is my primary home machine. I don't use plugins or add-ons as I've always found the suite to do pretty much what I need right out of the box. Reasons? I'm just not all that thrilled by the loss of some of the user choices I have with 1.1.18 (like being able to select Javascript for Mail/News and not the browser), interface changes, and/or the new default theme. If I had it to do over I'd probably have put the 2.x.x series on my iMac for a look and left 1.1.18 on my MacBook, mainly because of those stupid tiny 2.x.x buttons being harder to target on a laptop with a track pad, but now that I've done it I'll leave it... ...unless I choose to just go back all the way around - I do have a backup of my old 1.1.18 Mozilla folder, and I could always just duplicate the install from my iMac. There are some things I like about the 2.x.x suite - like being able to drag and drop to arrange my newgroup listings, and tabbed Mail/News, but what I don't like doesn't quite balance with what I do like, on the whole. But I'll continue to watch, wait, and hope...for a while. I also get the impression that the 2.x.x suite is working a lot better for people on Macs than it is on PCs...far fewer upgrade issues. At least, that's what it seems like from what I've read here. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: rendering of a page
On 1/30/2010 5:12 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 1/30/2010 12:33 PM, Walter wrote: Please have a look at: http://www.dekalbtexas.org/ and note the overlay in several places. Is this a SeaMonkey problem or sorry HTML coding. In viewing the source, it is horribly bloated and I suspect it is there. Thanks. w. Some of the blocks of text are actually in graphics files. This includes the contact information for the Chamber of Commerce and the current board members (two separate GIF files). Even the caption on the photo of the sunset is a GIF file. These don't resize. They do get overlaid by actual text, depending on how I zoom; my default sizing shows some overlays. While there is no external CSS file, there is a CSS subsection within the Head section and many instances of in-line CSS. Besides the HTML errors already reported, there are 338 CSS errors. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: rendering of a page
Hartmut Figge wrote: Leonidas Jones: [http://www.dekalbtexas.org/] That being said, I don't notice any overlapping of page elements. Uncheck 'Allow documents to use other fonts' and/or set Minimum font size high enough. ;) With my usual settings the side looks indeed horrible. What's that!? Custom settings!?? Users aren't supposed to do that, the programmers know what's best for you and implement those settings at the factory. No wonder you don't like our software. -- Wm R. Gates, Esq. AKA The Great and Powerful Oz ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
Mike C wrote: I'm sticking with v1.1.18 because of the add ons (mainly RoboForm). I'd be curious to see how many of you are also sticking with v1.1.18 for the time being. Reasons?? I'm sticking with 1.1.18 because I have the choice of using Javascript for mail and newsgroups. I'm hoping that in future versions a choice would be available as it is presently with 1.1.18 M ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
M wrote: Mike C wrote: I'm sticking with v1.1.18 because of the add ons (mainly RoboForm). I'd be curious to see how many of you are also sticking with v1.1.18 for the time being. Reasons?? I'm sticking with 1.1.18 because I have the choice of using Javascript for mail and newsgroups. I'm hoping that in future versions a choice would be available as it is presently with 1.1.18 M Won't happen. Funny IE Foist Active-X upon its users. And it is far, far more dangerous, than than JavaScript can pretend to be. But you don' t see MS banning Active-X, from IE. But Mozilla hears something about javascript could be dangerous, and banned ten minutes later. Go figure. Anyway it won't fly, everyone's mind is made up. Would be an interesting feature to create an extension that would put it back. But probably wouldn't get approval from the head big-wigs. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
On 01/30/2010 03:34 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: The biggest one is opening Mail/News in a tab vice a second window of it's own - that's integrated and really slick, especially on a laptop, and in particular with Spaces in Mac OS X. Saves desk real estate in a way I wouldn't have considered until I'd actually used it. Just combine that one feature with the ability to tab Mail as it stands now under SM 2.x.x and you've got a winner, IMO. Actually - believe it or not - that's in our plans for the future. But it will need a good bit of more work and is probably still quite a way down the road. One of the other interesting thing about Opera is that it's about:config page has an ability built in to reset it to default - I'm not one for fooling around in about:config, but that certainly seems a prudent feature for someone that is... Sounds interesting! Robert Kaiser No! No! No! No! No tabs in Email/ News that are enough of a PIA in the browser. If they are I want a switch to turn them off. Has ever one gone daft?! In Opera You can't even turn tabs completely off. You can fix it so it goes from window to window, but the Toolbar shows that %^$ Tab. Phillip; get over it, please! It's obvious that you are vehemently against tabs... So find another browser/suite/whatever (take Rufus with you please). You are becoming the SeaMonkey drama (no-tabs) queen (king?). Tabs are IMO one of the *best* additions to SeaMonkey since it's inception. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
On 01/29/2010 03:36 PM, Russell wrote: As someone who's been on the web since the beginning with Mosaic , then Netscape, then AOL Netscape (ugh) , then Netscape re-born as Seamonkey, it's a sad day to have to give up and move on, The end comes with v2.x, Seamonkey and the decision to no longer be a simple browser, but that it must be an ‘all or nothing' suite. So if you need to use another email client then it will just screw up your whole way of working. Really? And early versions of Netscape were just simple browsers? I still have both Mosaic and Netscape on disk, including a version of the first Netscape w/support license. I suppose I could pull it out of the archives (shelf) and check it, but I seem to recall that it included an email client. I'm convinced that this was a ‘behind the doors' decision with the Firefox crowd to justify Mozilla supporting a second browser project, and they then agreed that Seamonkey would only continue as an integrated suite, and that's the only way users will be able to use it (fatal error imo). What on earth are you talking about? The Firefox crowd will be happy to hear that I know of at least 5 users (this week alone) who have moved to other browsers as there is no upgrade path for them beyond v1.1.18. Meanwhile Firefox continues to offer an email client (Thunderbird) as a OPTION and that's probably where they will go, as have I, for now. But this whole thing smacks of nasty backroom BS. I'll hold my nose and use Firefox for now. But it's sad to have to say goodbye to a browser I've used and promoted for so many years. R. Bye. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
NoOp wrote: On 01/30/2010 03:34 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: The biggest one is opening Mail/News in a tab vice a second window of it's own - that's integrated and really slick, especially on a laptop, and in particular with Spaces in Mac OS X. Saves desk real estate in a way I wouldn't have considered until I'd actually used it. Just combine that one feature with the ability to tab Mail as it stands now under SM 2.x.x and you've got a winner, IMO. Actually - believe it or not - that's in our plans for the future. But it will need a good bit of more work and is probably still quite a way down the road. One of the other interesting thing about Opera is that it's about:config page has an ability built in to reset it to default - I'm not one for fooling around in about:config, but that certainly seems a prudent feature for someone that is... Sounds interesting! Robert Kaiser No! No! No! No! No tabs in Email/ News that are enough of a PIA in the browser. If they are I want a switch to turn them off. Has ever one gone daft?! In Opera You can't even turn tabs completely off. You can fix it so it goes from window to window, but the Toolbar shows that %^$ Tab. Phillip; get over it, please! It's obvious that you are vehemently against tabs... So find another browser/suite/whatever (take Rufus with you please). You are becoming the SeaMonkey drama (no-tabs) queen (king?). Tabs are IMO one of the *best* additions to SeaMonkey since it's inception. Actually, you can sort of turn tabs off in Opera simply by deselecting display of the Tab bar...but tabs rock, so why would anyone turn them off? More tabs, more better say I. ...OTOH, finding a product provider which will actually provide service and/or options to it's user base when they ask is far more important. I've learned to stop asking. It's about useless... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: seamonkey - java
On 01/25/2010 02:53 AM, Balázs Molnár wrote: Hello I am new to seamonkey ... I would like to install seamonkey under Ubuntu Karmic from a deb package but I cannot find it ... can you please send me a link where can I download it or a repo ... Furthermore how can I reach that seamonkey uses the sun java... what are the steps of it ? Many thanks for your help. You might want to try: https://launchpad.net/~joe-nationnet/+archive/ppa-seamonkey2 I've been testing for the past few days (see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/461864) and the builds have been working well for me in both 32bit and 64bit. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Rufus wrote: NoOp wrote: On 01/30/2010 03:34 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: The biggest one is opening Mail/News in a tab vice a second window of it's own - that's integrated and really slick, especially on a laptop, and in particular with Spaces in Mac OS X. Saves desk real estate in a way I wouldn't have considered until I'd actually used it. Just combine that one feature with the ability to tab Mail as it stands now under SM 2.x.x and you've got a winner, IMO. Actually - believe it or not - that's in our plans for the future. But it will need a good bit of more work and is probably still quite a way down the road. One of the other interesting thing about Opera is that it's about:config page has an ability built in to reset it to default - I'm not one for fooling around in about:config, but that certainly seems a prudent feature for someone that is... Sounds interesting! Robert Kaiser No! No! No! No! No tabs in Email/ News that are enough of a PIA in the browser. If they are I want a switch to turn them off. Has ever one gone daft?! In Opera You can't even turn tabs completely off. You can fix it so it goes from window to window, but the Toolbar shows that %^$ Tab. Phillip; get over it, please! It's obvious that you are vehemently against tabs... So find another browser/suite/whatever (take Rufus with you please). You are becoming the SeaMonkey drama (no-tabs) queen (king?). Tabs are IMO one of the *best* additions to SeaMonkey since it's inception. Actually, you can sort of turn tabs off in Opera simply by deselecting display of the Tab bar...but tabs rock, so why would anyone turn them off? More tabs, more better say I. ...OTOH, finding a product provider which will actually provide service and/or options to it's user base when they ask is far more important. I've learned to stop asking. It's about useless... If they want the silly tabs. Fine. If it makes people giddy using them That's fine as well Just please keep a way to turn the tab nonsense off. You need to satisfy all the users and not everyone is enamored with tabs. I use DreamWeaver to keep up my website. and I avoid opening more than one page at a time. because it uses tabs, when you open more than one page at a time. I don't want to accidentally hit the wrong tab and be working on a page I didn't intend to I have several page that look similar. and two that look identical. the difference is one has music content set up to play on old browsers and one setup to play on newer browsers. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
Mike C wrote: I'm sticking with v1.1.18 because of the add ons (mainly RoboForm). I'd be curious to see how many of you are also sticking with v1.1.18 for the time being. Reasons?? I'm sticking with v1.1.18 for now at least. Because of the add ons, mainly MultiZilla, which (btw Lee) gives you an extension manager among lots of other things. I have tried 2.x on a few occasions, but each time within a day, I've done a system restore to a point just before the 2.x install. I lose too many settings and options that (as far as could find), only MZ provides. FF/TB is on all our other systems. Not that I use any of them very often, but my better half does. Maybe I'll have another look after a few more 2.x versions have been released. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
In news:7ladndjm6tmkd_nwnz2dnuvz_sydn...@mozilla.org, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: But Mozilla hears something about javascript could be dangerous, and banned ten minutes later. Go figure. What you've posted is very misleading. They didn't hear something about javascript could be dangerous, they know what javascript can and can't do. And they spent (wasted, IMO) a *lot* more than ten minutes working on the problem before giving up on it. Mozilla Messaging inherited a lot of stuff from previous Mozilla Suite and Thunderbird developers, including a security model which hadn't been maintained for years and was no longer usable. The options were to spend a lot of time and effort to design and implement a new security model or to take out javascript. They started down the first road only to realize it was a lot more time and effort than anticipated. -- »Q« /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / against html e-mailX http://asciiribbon.org/ / \ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
In news:7rgdnrrlobixa_nwnz2dnuvz_j6dn...@mozilla.org, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: If they want the silly tabs. Fine. If it makes people giddy using them That's fine as well Just please keep a way to turn the tab nonsense off. You need to satisfy all the users and not everyone is enamored with tabs. Phillip, I could have sworn someone has already helped you turn off everything to do with tabs. If you're still seeing tabs where you don't want to, please start a thread about it and get it fixed the way you want it. -- »Q« /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / against html e-mailX http://asciiribbon.org/ / \ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
»Q« wrote: Innews:7ladndjm6tmkd_nwnz2dnuvz_sydn...@mozilla.org, Phillip Jonespjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: But Mozilla hears something about javascript could be dangerous, and banned ten minutes later. Go figure. What you've posted is very misleading. They didn't hear something about javascript could be dangerous, they know what javascript can and can't do. And they spent (wasted, IMO) a *lot* more than ten minutes working on the problem before giving up on it. Mozilla Messaging inherited a lot of stuff from previous Mozilla Suite and Thunderbird developers, including a security model which hadn't been maintained for years and was no longer usable. The options were to spend a lot of time and effort to design and implement a new security model or to take out javascript. They started down the first road only to realize it was a lot more time and effort than anticipated. One of the best things about SM though, was that it allowed the user to make their own decision(s) in most cases when it came to security. That was one of the major features I use to tout to other people about it, and really helpful if one is in a situation where there are security protocols already in place outside of SM itself. Sad to see that the user no longer gets to make their own decision...and also to hear the inherited part - bringing us back to the appearance of code sharing, and all those conspiracy theories. But I get the process... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
