Re: Possible to send email in the background?
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Re: Possible to send email in the background?
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Re: form history
Phillip Jones wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: how can you edit the form history? (and delete the mistaken entries I made) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/12021/ In SeaMonkey 2.1 you'll have the built-in Data Manager for that (currently an extension). HTH Jens Isn't the forms manager a huge security hole!? No. the forms manager is supposed (they way it worked in 1.1.9 and lower and work in Form History manager And Auto Fill Forms is to automatically fill-in redundant information such as Name address city state zip phone. etc by copping what you fill out the first time to a Database . then when you run across the same item to fill in double click in the blank and its filled or click and hold, and a pop up window appears and choose desired info. User names and Passwords are not supposed to be affected that's a completely different database. User names and Passwords are saved for non secure sites if you choose to do so when a pop up item asked whether you wish to save username and password. IN SM 1 you could do so in secure sites.That has been changed due to pressure from Financial institutions. But if the credit card is stored in a field in the clear, what's to prevent a day zero virus from finding it? Forget passwords - this prima data. Neither form History Manager nor AutoFill Forms has credit card numbers set up. you can't remember CC numbers or even t cvc numbers. It would not matter if they did or did not: the website designer can still use form fields for whatever. It is the fault of the website creator to use insecure methods. It is not the fault of SM forms if a field called cc is used to store a credit card number. At any rate, I was suspicious and FOUND MY credit card in a form by using the forms manager! So, bad websites are a security hole, NOT forms manager ( I misspoke above). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Possible to send email in the background?
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 01:48:39 -0700 (PDT), in message news://news.mozilla.org:119/3040f6cb-843f-4774-85e3-0ce00dae3...@y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com Dave wrote: is it possible to make Seamonkey send emails in the background rather than having the window pop up indicating the status with the server? This is irritating when sending large emails. On Thunderbird I could use (from the compose window) File Send Later followed by (from the main window) File Send Unsent Messages I expect Seamonkey would have something similar. -- Kind regards Ralph ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
JeffM wrote: JeffM wrote: Standards are a Good Thing(tm). Using the W3C Validator on your code is also a Good Thing(tm). The word for those who don't do that is incompetent. Rick Merrill wrote: But that is a totally toothless motto. Sorry. It's the best I have. While I agree with you, the fact is that the non-compliant are getting the money That is exactly my gripe. and the competent do not. Not true. They are, however, outnumbered. Case in point: those websites developed with TOOLS that do not adhere to the standards. Yup. Examples I like to use: If these bozos were plumbers or electricians and produced work of the low quality they do, they would have had their licenses yanked long ago. ...and even the gal who does your wife's nails had to pass a standardized test to be allowed to do that. Enforcement is the issue: often that gal's license is not checked until a customer catches salmoella. Suppose there were a 'helper' app that flagged non-compliant websites for the user?! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Possible to send email in the background?
Dave wrote: Hi all, is it possible to make Seamonkey send emails in the background rather than having the window pop up indicating the status with the server? This is irritating when sending large emails. Many thanks! Let your OS send your email (silently as all get out): sendEmail - Send email from a console near you! Written by: Brandon Zehm casp...@dotconf.net http://caspian.dotconf.net/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
David E. Ross wrote: On 8/11/10 2:35 PM, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 8/11/10 7:47 AM, Ray_Net wrote: http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/didyouseethepicture.htm The markup img src=IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg alt=pose-yoga.jpg has a path to the image with a back-slash (\). That makes the path invalid for something on a Web server. IE interprets this as a forward slash (/), but that interpretation is not always correct. SM did not work correctly when the page is located in my ISP webserver space. BUT in local by the use of a webserver or directly by : file:///C:/TEST/didyouseethepicture.htm SM see the image. IE see the image by file, on a local webserver and on my isp webserver space. The interpretation of IE is always correct. if the \ is replaced by / SM and IE works correctly in the 3 cases. Therefore SM miss a point. No, you have missed at least two points. If the file is on your local PC running Windows, then file:///C:/TEST/didyouseethepicture.htm is the same as file:\C:\TEST\didyouseethepicture.htm Even SeaMonkey recognizes the \ in this case. But the URI will not work for a file on a Web server if you use \ where the proper symbol is /. When \ appears in a URI, either the user made a mistake or else it stands for something other than /. IE was programmed to guess that the user meant / when \ is used in a URI, which can be quite wrong if the user meant something else. SeaMonkey follows the standards by not guessing; this is also true of the other Gecko-based browsers. The processing done by IE -- including the interpretation of \ in a URI -- is definitely NOT always correct. Especially when trying to interpret user errors, IE is very often wrong. But The markup img src=IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg alt=pose-yoga.jpg works with SM when accessing the page in local or on a local webserver. Therefore SM is wrong when he got a good result because you said that SM is correct when he cannot display the picture when the page is on my isp webserver. IE is more coherent, he work in all cases. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
On 8/12/10 6:45 AM, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: No, you have missed at least two points. If the file is on your local PC running Windows, then file:///C:/TEST/didyouseethepicture.htm is the same as file:\C:\TEST\didyouseethepicture.htm Even SeaMonkey recognizes the \ in this case. But the URI will not work for a file on a Web server if you use \ where the proper symbol is /. When \ appears in a URI, either the user made a mistake or else it stands for something other than /. IE was programmed to guess that the user meant / when \ is used in a URI, which can be quite wrong if the user meant something else. SeaMonkey follows the standards by not guessing; this is also true of the other Gecko-based browsers. The processing done by IE -- including the interpretation of \ in a URI -- is definitely NOT always correct. Especially when trying to interpret user errors, IE is very often wrong. But The markup img src=IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg alt=pose-yoga.jpg works with SM when accessing the page in local or on a local webserver. That is true. See my paragraph above, beginning If the file is on your local PC. That is because URIs that are paths to local files under Windows do indeed use \. Therefore SM is wrong when he got a good result because you said that SM is correct when he cannot display the picture when the page is on my isp webserver. IE is more coherent, he work in all cases. No. The specification says that URIs that are paths on servers use / and NOT \. See the specification at ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3986.txt. Gecko-based browsers (including SeaMonkey) adhere to the specification. IE is notorious for deviating from many specifications. Instead of arguing about this -- because SeaMonkey is NOT wrong -- just fix your HTML. Note that I have a copy of my Web site (currently 387 files) on my PC under Windows. Using / and not \, I can view all my pages locally. Using \ and not /, I cannot view any page from my server. Thus, I always code my URIs with /. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tabnabbing: A New Type of Phishing Attack
Be aware of the fact that the first link in the op _executes_ the attack! While this page may be benevolent, it is deceptive and it does solicit a login!!! Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Sad to leave SeaMonkey...
...but it does not work with either Helping Hands or with the Nectar collect points for searching software. However I would still like to keep SeaMonkey Mail, is it possible to delete the browser and keep the mail? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sad to leave SeaMonkey...
is it possible to delete the browser and keep the mail? The browser and email are separate executables. The simplest approach would be install or set another browser as your default browser and set seamonkey to open only the email client when launched. edit/preferences/appearance Doing so has the benefit of keeping seamonkey available when you run into issues with it's replacement ;-) Hope that this information is of value. Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sad to leave SeaMonkey...
On 8/12/10 9:41 AM, Broadback wrote: ...but it does not work with either Helping Hands or with the Nectar collect points for searching software. However I would still like to keep SeaMonkey Mail, is it possible to delete the browser and keep the mail? How about giving us the links to those Web pages. I'm willing to bet that the fault lies within the pages and their servers and not within SeaMonkey. If you are committed to ending your use of the SeaMonkey browser, however, you might consider replacing it with Firefox and Thunderbird. Gecko is the browser guts of both SeaMonkey and Firefox. The mail-news guts of SeaMonkey is the same as for Thunderbird. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tabnabbing: A New Type of Phishing Attack
On 08/12/2010 08:45 AM, Beverly Howard wrote: Be aware of the fact that the first link in the op _executes_ the attack! While this page may be benevolent, it is deceptive and it does solicit a login!!! Beverly Howard It's a 'proof-of-concept'. Watch the flash video he explains exactly what he is doing how. Also: http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/05/devious-new-phishing-tactic-targets-tabs/ quote Raskin includes a proof-of-concept at his site, which is sort of creepy when you let it run. In fact, at least once while composing this blog post in Firefox I went to click on the tab that had my Gmail inbox open, only to discover I’d accidentally clicked on Raskin’s page, which had morphed into the fake Gmail site in the interim. /quote ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
Ray_Net wrote: Therefore SM is wrong when he got a good result No. What is wrong is _trying to interpret **broken** code by **guessing**_. IE is more coherent, he work in all cases. You're very forgiving when applying the word all. The number of cases where Internet Exploder refuses to render proper code correctly are legion. Big clue: When you are getting a 20 when others are getting 100, you are doing it WRONG. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Acid3#Trident_-_Internet_Explorer The problem with writing non-standard code which works with a broken browser implementation is that your code now works under **only that one** rendering app --and *next week* it might not even work under **that** one: http://google.com/search?q=cache:m2XM97fMGMIJ:www.evolt.org/article/Forward_compatibility_and_web_standards/17/60115/index.html+*-screwed-these-*-up+*-*-broken-links-everywhere+Large-sections-*-*-disappeared+mutual+mutual+*-didn't-support-*-proprietary-*-*-*-*-*+only-includes-Netscape-*+mutual+table-layout-images-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*+it.did.not+*-*-*-*-incorrect-content-type-header#comment-60184 http://tinyurl.com/StandardsMatter http://www.evolt.org/article/Forward_compatibility_and_web_standards/17/60115/index.html#comment-60184 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
It is SM or bad site code?
This link brings up a page with a single image:
http://www.wbmq.net/
It is supposed to be the home page of a radio station
in Savannah.
Is it a browser-sniffer gone bad or some other bad code
or does my SM 2.0.6 need a tweak?
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Should I add this?
Is the Video DownloadHelper 4.8 add-on a good idea?
Is there a consensus in the Seamonkey community that this is
a good download?
Does it create any security openings or otherwise compromise
Seamonkey in any way?
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Re: Sad to leave SeaMonkey...
Broadback wrote: it does not work with either Helping Hands David previously linked to an excellent page on his site which explains that it is simply a matter of compensating for the incompetent webmaster of that site. http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/0b86a1bf7f57ab3a Did you not understand the page or did you not bother to click the link? or with the Nectar collect points for searching software. In this thread, David has asked for a URL for that item. However I would still like to keep SeaMonkey Mail, is it possible to delete the browser and keep the mail? The common reason for using the suite is because you want to use multiple apps contained in it. Have you considered SeaMonkey's little brother, Thunderbird? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
URL links not active?
I have noticed that on occasion URL addresses that appear in list or newsgroup messages, that start with http:// do not show up as an active link. In other words, they do not appear/display in my posted message underlined, of a different color, and are NOT clickable. It doesn’t seem to be limited to URLs that are inserted in other folks’ messages or whether I had inserted them in my messages. So far, I haven’t discovered a commonality between active and non-active links. Why might that be? keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: URL links not active?
Keith Whaley: I have noticed that on occasion URL addresses that appear in list or newsgroup messages, that start with http:// do not show up as an active link. In other words, they do not appear/display in my posted message underlined, of a different color, and are NOT clickable. Can you give an example? Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: It is SM or bad site code?
Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:08:42 -0400, /d...@kd4e.com/: This link brings up a page with a single image: http://www.wbmq.net/ It is supposed to be the home page of a radio station in Savannah. Is it a browser-sniffer gone bad or some other bad code or does my SM 2.0.6 need a tweak? I see a Continue to WBMQ.net http://www.wbmq.net/skin/feature.php link just below the image. It uses some poor contrast color, but it is there. You may try View - Use Style - None, to see it better. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tabnabbing: A New Type of Phishing Attack
proof of concept I assumed (and hoped) that it was innocent, but, as it would work when malicious, I got pulled off the page before I had time to read far enough to get to the full explanation of what _was_ going to happen. When I returned to the tab, there as the bogus page. imho, the user should have been offered the option of experiencing the phish rather than having it execute on the page reporting on the possibility. It was pretty disturbing, albeit educational. Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:38:01 -0700, /Rick Merrill/: But that is a totally toothless motto. While I agree with you, the fact is that the non-compliant are getting the money and the competent do not. Case in point: those websites developed with TOOLS that do not adhere to the standards. The problem with the non-standard compliant behavior of IE in this case is the URI may contain \ (back-slash) as non-hierarchical separator, therefore IE will incorrectly transform it to a forward slash and result in a non-existent URI. So SeaMonkey's behavior is just fine - not being clever about incorrect URIs containing back-slashes instead of forward slashes for hierarchical path separators. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: It is SM or bad site code?
doc@ kd4e.com wrote: This link brings up a page with a single image: http://www.wbmq.net/ It wants to load a style sheet and a Flash object via JavaScript. As Stanimir said, the text on the page uses a poorly-chosen color. Next time, hit Ctrl-A to mark all and see what turns up. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: It is SM or bad site code?
Thanks all! CTRL-A got me closer -- it was really bright in
this room so the screen was washed-out.
Now I get this pop-up:
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ALMOST THERE!
To see and hear our station the way we intended, you will
need to download the FREE Silverlight Player plugin for your
browser.
Click the link above to download and install Silverlight.
Is Silverlight a show-stopped for SM under Linux or is there
an add-on?
Why they insist upon a proprietary app like this I don't know,
it is completely unnecessary to complete the streaming-audio
task.
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Re: It is SM or bad site code?
d...@kd4e.com wrote: This link brings up a page with a single image: http://www.wbmq.net/ It is supposed to be the home page of a radio station in Savannah. Is it a browser-sniffer gone bad or some other bad code or does my SM 2.0.6 need a tweak? It's your eyesight that's going bad. There's a link to continue on to the site under the picture in a very pale blue. -- Big Bill ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: It is SM or bad site code?
View - Use Style - None Thanks... wish I had known about this years ago! Ctrl-A works but has it's own set of problems. Thanks again, Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
David E. Ross wrote: On 8/12/10 6:45 AM, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: No, you have missed at least two points. If the file is on your local PC running Windows, then file:///C:/TEST/didyouseethepicture.htm is the same as file:\C:\TEST\didyouseethepicture.htm Even SeaMonkey recognizes the \ in this case. But the URI will not work for a file on a Web server if you use \ where the proper symbol is /. When \ appears in a URI, either the user made a mistake or else it stands for something other than /. IE was programmed to guess that the user meant / when \ is used in a URI, which can be quite wrong if the user meant something else. SeaMonkey follows the standards by not guessing; this is also true of the other Gecko-based browsers. The processing done by IE -- including the interpretation of \ in a URI -- is definitely NOT always correct. Especially when trying to interpret user errors, IE is very often wrong. But The markup img src=IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg alt=pose-yoga.jpg works with SM when accessing the page in local or on a local webserver. That is true. See my paragraph above, beginning If the file is on your local PC. That is because URIs that are paths to local files under Windows do indeed use \. Therefore SM is wrong when he got a good result because you said that SM is correct when he cannot display the picture when the page is on my isp webserver. IE is more coherent, he work in all cases. No. The specification says that URIs that are paths on servers use / and NOT \. See the specification at ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3986.txt. Gecko-based browsers (including SeaMonkey) adhere to the specification. IE is notorious for deviating from many specifications. Instead of arguing about this -- because SeaMonkey is NOT wrong -- just fix your HTML. Note that I have a copy of my Web site (currently 387 files) on my PC under Windows. Using / and not \, I can view all my pages locally. Using \ and not /, I cannot view any page from my server. Thus, I always code my URIs with /. I agree of all you said, but i have just a remark: You said:Using \ and not /, I cannot view any page from my server. When i try with seamonkey from my server using \ i can view from my server... All those are working: http://raymond.homedns.org/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg http://localhost/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg http://127.0.1/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg but - strange thing here SM have modified the URI as file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg So SM sometimes accept \ and it works ... ...sometime transform it into/ and it works ... and here The only non working case is when from my isp server: http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg He forgot to transform \ into / I agree that the fault come from between my chair and my keyboard - however when preparing my pages all goes well until when i upload pages on my isp webserver space. That was the begin of the story.There is only one case when SM cannot render the page. I had preferred that SM will not be able to display file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg nor http://127.0.1/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg If this was the case, i had finded the problem more fast and easely. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Possible to send email in the background?
Rick Merrill wrote: Dave wrote: Hi all, is it possible to make Seamonkey send emails in the background rather than having the window pop up indicating the status with the server? This is irritating when sending large emails. Many thanks! Let your OS send your email (silently as all get out): sendEmail - Send email from a console near you! Written by: Brandon Zehmcasp...@dotconf.net http://caspian.dotconf.net/ sendEmail is a very good program. I also use blat, at http://www.blat.net/. -JW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:38:01 -0700, /Rick Merrill/: But that is a totally toothless motto. While I agree with you, the fact is that the non-compliant are getting the money and the competent do not. Case in point: those websites developed with TOOLS that do not adhere to the standards. The problem with the non-standard compliant behavior of IE in this case is the URI may contain \ (back-slash) as non-hierarchical separator, therefore IE will incorrectly transform it to a forward slash and result in a non-existent URI. So SeaMonkey's behavior is just fine - not being clever about incorrect URIs containing back-slashes instead of forward slashes for hierarchical path separators. So you said that SM is not clever enough to transform it to a forward slash ? You are wrong because when i propose to SM the following: file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg he shows me the picture and modify his URL-adress-zone as follow: file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES/pose-yoga.jpg Why SM is clever with file adress and not with webserver adress ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
On 8/12/10 7:38 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 8/12/10 6:45 AM, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: No, you have missed at least two points. If the file is on your local PC running Windows, then file:///C:/TEST/didyouseethepicture.htm is the same as file:\C:\TEST\didyouseethepicture.htm Even SeaMonkey recognizes the \ in this case. But the URI will not work for a file on a Web server if you use \ where the proper symbol is /. When \ appears in a URI, either the user made a mistake or else it stands for something other than /. IE was programmed to guess that the user meant / when \ is used in a URI, which can be quite wrong if the user meant something else. SeaMonkey follows the standards by not guessing; this is also true of the other Gecko-based browsers. The processing done by IE -- including the interpretation of \ in a URI -- is definitely NOT always correct. Especially when trying to interpret user errors, IE is very often wrong. But The markup img src=IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg alt=pose-yoga.jpg works with SM when accessing the page in local or on a local webserver. That is true. See my paragraph above, beginning If the file is on your local PC. That is because URIs that are paths to local files under Windows do indeed use \. Therefore SM is wrong when he got a good result because you said that SM is correct when he cannot display the picture when the page is on my isp webserver. IE is more coherent, he work in all cases. No. The specification says that URIs that are paths on servers use / and NOT \. See the specification at ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3986.txt. Gecko-based browsers (including SeaMonkey) adhere to the specification. IE is notorious for deviating from many specifications. Instead of arguing about this -- because SeaMonkey is NOT wrong -- just fix your HTML. Note that I have a copy of my Web site (currently 387 files) on my PC under Windows. Using / and not \, I can view all my pages locally. Using \ and not /, I cannot view any page from my server. Thus, I always code my URIs with /. By the way, recent surveys indicate IE has 30% to 49% of the user base while Gecko-based browsers have 35% to 46% of the user base. That is, IE is no longer the gorilla it used to be (88% of the user base in 2003). Other browsers now have 16% to 23% of the user base. Thus, someone who thinks that a Web page is okay merely because it looks okay with IE is ignoring at least half of their potential viewers and possibly more than two-thirds of viewers. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: URL links not active?
I have noticed that on occasion URL addresses that appear in list or newsgroup messages, that start with http:// do not show up as an active link. In other words, they do not appear/display in my posted message underlined, of a different color, and are NOT clickable. What is the message window for this group's view message body as set to? Assuming it's set to one of the two html options, set it to plain text and see if the link activates. I suspect that since most messages here are in plain text and their urls convert to links, but that the messages that show this behavior are in html format and have only the link text and no associated link created for the text. Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
Thu, 12 Aug 2010 23:32:34 +0200, /Ray_Net/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: The problem with the non-standard compliant behavior of IE in this case is the URI may contain \ (back-slash) as non-hierarchical separator, therefore IE will incorrectly transform it to a forward slash and result in a non-existent URI. So SeaMonkey's behavior is just fine - not being clever about incorrect URIs containing back-slashes instead of forward slashes for hierarchical path separators. So you said that SM is not clever enough to transform it to a forward slash ? No, I said: SM is not 'clever' about, which was meant as SM is not stupid to. Sorry for not being clear enough. You are wrong because when i propose to SM the following: file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg he shows me the picture and modify his URL-adress-zone as follow: file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES/pose-yoga.jpg Why SM is clever with file adress and not with webserver adress ? I think David E. Ross has given you a very probable explanation in another reply: news://news.mozilla.org:119/euqdnsazdykfwv7rnz2dnuvz_uadn...@mozilla.org If you want to find out for real, you could ask the Mozilla devs in a more technical group. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:45:45 +0200, /Ray_Net/: But The markup img src=IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg alt=pose-yoga.jpg works with SM when accessing the page in local or on a local webserver. That may be because of your local web server doing the same compensation as IE is doing on the client-side, before sending the URL to the server. While it may be o.k. on server-side I don't think it is o.k. for the browser to possibly break (as I've pointed in another reply) the URLs. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tabnabbing: A New Type of Phishing Attack
On 08/12/2010 12:54 PM, Beverly Howard wrote: proof of concept I assumed (and hoped) that it was innocent, but, as it would work when malicious, I got pulled off the page before I had time to read far enough to get to the full explanation of what _was_ going to happen. When I returned to the tab, there as the bogus page. imho, the user should have been offered the option of experiencing the phish rather than having it execute on the page reporting on the possibility. It was pretty disturbing, albeit educational. Beverly Howard quote Try it Out You can try it out on this very website (it works in all major browsers). Click away to another tab for at least five seconds. Flip to another tab. Do whatever. Then come back to this tab. /quote You switched away from the tab (either to a different tab, to check this newsgroup, email, whatever). Try sitting on the tab without switching away; you can read the entire article, go get coffee, do what you wish. The code won't activate until you switch away from it; that's the actual point the author is making. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
David E. Ross wrote: someone who thinks that a Web page is okay merely because it looks okay with IE is ignoring at least half of their potential viewers and possibly more than two-thirds of viewers. Yup. *More*. Especially if you're in the 4th most populous nation: :Firefox’s share on many of the top Indonesian websites :is between 65-75%. http://blog.mozilla.com/gen/2010/06/29/mozilla-in-indonesia-2010/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: It is SM or bad site code?
On 08/12/2010 01:08 PM, d...@kd4e.com wrote: Thanks all! CTRL-A got me closer -- it was really bright in this room so the screen was washed-out. Now I get this pop-up: --- ALMOST THERE! To see and hear our station the way we intended, you will need to download the FREE Silverlight Player plugin for your browser. Click the link above to download and install Silverlight. Is Silverlight a show-stopped for SM under Linux or is there an add-on? Why they insist upon a proprietary app like this I don't know, it is completely unnecessary to complete the streaming-audio task. It really caused fits with the Olympics linux. Install Moonlight (unless you are opposed to having mono on your system): http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/ http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/prerelease.aspx http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/downloads/2.99.0.8/novell-moonlight-2.99.0.8-i586.xpi It will show up like this in plugins: Silverlight Plug-In File name: /home/snip/.mozilla/seamonkey/snip.default/extensions/moonli...@novell.com/plugins/libmoonloaderxpi.so 4.0.41108.0 And as Novell Moonlight 2.99.0.8 in Extensions. http://www.wbmq.net/ WFM. Has a baseball game on ATT. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
On 08/12/2010 07:38 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 8/12/10 6:45 AM, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: No, you have missed at least two points. If the file is on your local PC running Windows, then file:///C:/TEST/didyouseethepicture.htm is the same as file:\C:\TEST\didyouseethepicture.htm Even SeaMonkey recognizes the \ in this case. But the URI will not work for a file on a Web server if you use \ where the proper symbol is /. When \ appears in a URI, either the user made a mistake or else it stands for something other than /. IE was programmed to guess that the user meant / when \ is used in a URI, which can be quite wrong if the user meant something else. SeaMonkey follows the standards by not guessing; this is also true of the other Gecko-based browsers. The processing done by IE -- including the interpretation of \ in a URI -- is definitely NOT always correct. Especially when trying to interpret user errors, IE is very often wrong. But The markup img src=IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg alt=pose-yoga.jpg works with SM when accessing the page in local or on a local webserver. That is true. See my paragraph above, beginning If the file is on your local PC. That is because URIs that are paths to local files under Windows do indeed use \. Therefore SM is wrong when he got a good result because you said that SM is correct when he cannot display the picture when the page is on my isp webserver. IE is more coherent, he work in all cases. No. The specification says that URIs that are paths on servers use / and NOT \. See the specification at ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3986.txt. Gecko-based browsers (including SeaMonkey) adhere to the specification. IE is notorious for deviating from many specifications. Instead of arguing about this -- because SeaMonkey is NOT wrong -- just fix your HTML. Note that I have a copy of my Web site (currently 387 files) on my PC under Windows. Using / and not \, I can view all my pages locally. Using \ and not /, I cannot view any page from my server. Thus, I always code my URIs with /. I agree with David regarding the rfc... however: The link doesn't work with Opera (linux) as well. But it *does* work with Chromium 5.0.375.125 (53311) Ubuntu 10.04 (linux), and Epiphany Web Browser 2.30.2 (linux). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
On 08/12/2010 04:42 PM, NoOp wrote: ... I agree with David regarding the rfc... however: The link doesn't work with Opera (linux) as well. But it *does* work with Chromium 5.0.375.125 (53311) Ubuntu 10.04 (linux), and Epiphany Web Browser 2.30.2 (linux). Sorry, forgot to mention that Epiphany changes the url to: http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/IMAGES/pose-yoga.jpg As does Chromium: http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/IMAGES/pose-yoga.jpg from: http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/IMAGES%5Cpose-yoga.jpg ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tabnabbing: A New Type of Phishing Attack
The code won't activate until you switch away from it; that's the actual point the author is making. An excellent point... but, they way it happened to me was sort of like getting stabbed in order to learn not to go down dark alleyways ;-) Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey Help?
Title: H:\signature.htm I keep getting mail in the list, but I cannot see my Email nor get replies. WHere do I go for help in SeaMonkey ? Harold -- Harold Robbins 1220 Corona Dr Austin TX 78723 H: (512) 452-2692 M: (512) 799-4643 'INGODWETRUST' ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Silverlight - Moonlight [Was: It is SM or bad site code?]
On 08/12/2010 06:20 PM, d...@kd4e.com wrote: It really caused fits with the Olympics linux. Install Moonlight (unless you are opposed to having mono on your system): http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/ http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/prerelease.aspx http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/downloads/2.99.0.8/novell-moonlight-2.99.0.8-i586.xpi It will show up like this in plugins: Silverlight Plug-In File name: /home/snip/.mozilla/seamonkey/snip.default/extensions/moonli...@novell.com/plugins/libmoonloaderxpi.so 4.0.41108.0 And as Novell Moonlight 2.99.0.8 in Extensions. Why might I have a problem with mono on my system, please? I am unfamiliar with it. I don't - other do. I'm sure you tried this before asking, right? http://www.google.com/search?hl=encomplete=0q=linux+%2BmonobtnG=Search http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/04/why-should-we-a.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_(software) etc., etc. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Silverlight - Moonlight [Was: It is SM or bad site code?]
NoOp wrote:
Why might I have a problem with mono on my system, please?
I am unfamiliar with it.
I don't - other do. I'm sure you tried this before asking, right?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=encomplete=0q=linux+%2BmonobtnG=Search
No, because I thought it was something about which you had
a personal perspective.
I will look around and see what I may learn.
BTW: I make a practice to *never use google*, http://startpage.com
is just as good and doesn't sell-out privacy and freedom for profit,
nor do they engage in monopolistic practices. Time for more of us
to engage in freedom-friendly choices in technology before we lose
our freedoms entirely!
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Re: Silverlight - Moonlight [Was: It is SM or bad site code?]
On 08/12/2010 07:03 PM, d...@kd4e.com wrote: ... BTW: I make a practice to *never use google*, http://startpage.com is just as good and doesn't sell-out privacy and freedom for profit, nor do they engage in monopolistic practices. Time for more of us to engage in freedom-friendly choices in technology before we lose our freedoms entirely! Oh give me a break. Turn off cookies with prefbar use: http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0 If you really wish to use Ixquick, use: http://ixquick.com/eng/?th=white ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
