Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
On 8/14/10 6:57 PM, Jay Garcia wrote: On 14.08.2010 15:15, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 13.08.2010 16:25, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 13.08.2010 11:11, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 23:32:34 +0200, /Ray_Net/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: The problem with the non-standard compliant behavior of IE in this case is the URI may contain \ (back-slash) as non-hierarchical separator, therefore IE will incorrectly transform it to a forward slash and result in a non-existent URI. So SeaMonkey's behavior is just fine - not being clever about incorrect URIs containing back-slashes instead of forward slashes for hierarchical path separators. So you said that SM is not clever enough to transform it to a forward slash ? No, I said: SM is not 'clever' about, which was meant as SM is not stupid to. Sorry for not being clear enough. You are wrong because when i propose to SM the following: file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg he shows me the picture and modify his URL-adress-zone as follow: file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES/pose-yoga.jpg Why SM is clever with file adress and not with webserver adress ? I think David E. Ross has given you a very probable explanation in another reply: news://news.mozilla.org:119/euqdnsazdykfwv7rnz2dnuvz_uadn...@mozilla.org If you want to find out for real, you could ask the Mozilla devs in a more technical group. I will not go further, because SM gurus and devs think they are the best ... it's abnormal that SM works in every possible way except when the page is on my isp web space. This was causing me lot of understandings why it did not work when uploaded for online general use. File structure on the local system follows the rules of the particular OS involved whereas on a server, the convention in most cases is quite different and therefore interpreted differently by the browser. file:/server/directory/file.htm is server based file:/c:/directory/file.htm is local system based and the browser will automatically insert two more // such as: file:///c:/directory/file.htm Your image is displayed because everything following the file:/// is interpreted as being formatted locally and local rules apply, therefore the backslash \ is rendered correctly. If you try: http://your_server/directory/images\image.jpg will usually not work because the \ is an illegal character as such in some browsers but not all browsers. IE guesses that the \ is really a / and will work. As explained before http://localhost/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg with SM works ... localhost is a an access to your_server (mine) Yes, on YOUR local system, that's my point. If you try my examples, you'll find that it doesn't work on a remote server: http://www.ufaq.org/themes/RavenIce/images\logo.gif local systems are governed by whatever OS you're running locally. Could you try ... with SM the following: http://raymond.homedns.org/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg The problem is that i must have my pc up and running my webserver for you to test ... (i power off my pc when i don't use it - so tell me a date/time) For you (and i suppose also that's for me) it's a remote server. Can't get there with any browser: Failed to Connect The connection was refused when attempting to contact raymond.homedns.org. A TraceRoute went 21 steps from my connection to po1.ixdslstr2.isp.belgacom.be and then got no responses beyond. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
David E. Ross wrote: On 8/14/10 1:07 PM, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 8/13/10 2:27 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 13.08.2010 15:18, Jay Garcia wrote: --- Original Message --- Try these links in a few browsers: http://www.ufaq.org/themes/RavenIce/images/logo.gif Ok http://www.ufaq.org/themes/RavenIce/images\logo.gif Not Found The requested URL /themes/RavenIce/images\logo.gif was not found on this server. Apache/1.3.41 Ben-SSL/1.59 Server at www.ufaq.org Port 80 Does not work in Firefox, Seamonkey or IE I have put http://www.ufaq.org/themes/RavenIce/images\logo.gif in the url-adress part of mi IE8 and IT WORKS ! Yes. IE is broken in that it allows \ in a server-based URI when the internationally recognized specification says that \ is not allowed. You want Gecko (the core for Firefox, SeaMonkey, and others) to be similarly broken. Most of us would prefer that Gecko not be broken. but SM(or Gecko) is broken when he accept \ in a server-based URI when this server is on my pc. What is the name of the server on your PC? What version? Abyss Web Server X1 (v 2.3.2) - Copyright © Aprelium Technologies - 2001-2006 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
Jay Garcia wrote: On 14.08.2010 17:22, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- J. Weaver Jr. wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 13.08.2010 16:25, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 13.08.2010 11:11, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 23:32:34 +0200, /Ray_Net/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: The problem with the non-standard compliant behavior of IE in this case is the URI may contain \ (back-slash) as non-hierarchical separator, therefore IE will incorrectly transform it to a forward slash and result in a non-existent URI. So SeaMonkey's behavior is just fine - not being clever about incorrect URIs containing back-slashes instead of forward slashes for hierarchical path separators. So you said that SM is not clever enough to transform it to a forward slash ? No, I said: SM is not 'clever' about, which was meant as SM is not stupid to. Sorry for not being clear enough. You are wrong because when i propose to SM the following: file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg he shows me the picture and modify his URL-adress-zone as follow: file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES/pose-yoga.jpg Why SM is clever with file adress and not with webserver adress ? I think David E. Ross has given you a very probable explanation in another reply: news://news.mozilla.org:119/euqdnsazdykfwv7rnz2dnuvz_uadn...@mozilla.org If you want to find out for real, you could ask the Mozilla devs in a more technical group. I will not go further, because SM gurus and devs think they are the best ... it's abnormal that SM works in every possible way except when the page is on my isp web space. This was causing me lot of understandings why it did not work when uploaded for online general use. File structure on the local system follows the rules of the particular OS involved whereas on a server, the convention in most cases is quite different and therefore interpreted differently by the browser. file:/server/directory/file.htm is server based file:/c:/directory/file.htm is local system based and the browser will automatically insert two more // such as: file:///c:/directory/file.htm Your image is displayed because everything following the file:/// is interpreted as being formatted locally and local rules apply, therefore the backslash \ is rendered correctly. If you try: http://your_server/directory/images\image.jpg will usually not work because the \ is an illegal character as such in some browsers but not all browsers. IE guesses that the \ is really a / and will work. As explained before http://localhost/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg with SM works ... localhost is a an access to your_server (mine) Yes, on YOUR local system, that's my point. If you try my examples, you'll find that it doesn't work on a remote server: http://www.ufaq.org/themes/RavenIce/images\logo.gif local systems are governed by whatever OS you're running locally. Could you try ... with SM the following: http://raymond.homedns.org/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg WFM, with SM 2.0.6. -JW Thanks for the test ... Jay Garcia wrote: If you try my examples, you'll find that it doesn't work on a remote server: http://www.ufaq.org/themes/RavenIce/images\logo.gif And in other words J. Weaver Jr. wrote: If you try my examples, you'll find that it DOES WORK on a remote server: http://raymond.homedns.org/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg My example and your example doesn't work here with SM 2.0.6 or FF 3.0.8 This is normal that my exemple did not work for you, because at the taime of you test, my pc was power off, and i was sleeping :-) J. Weaver Jr. have proved that my exemple works... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
David E. Ross wrote: On 8/14/10 6:57 PM, Jay Garcia wrote: On 14.08.2010 15:15, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 13.08.2010 16:25, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 13.08.2010 11:11, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 23:32:34 +0200, /Ray_Net/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: The problem with the non-standard compliant behavior of IE in this case is the URI may contain \ (back-slash) as non-hierarchical separator, therefore IE will incorrectly transform it to a forward slash and result in a non-existent URI. So SeaMonkey's behavior is just fine - not being clever about incorrect URIs containing back-slashes instead of forward slashes for hierarchical path separators. So you said that SM is not clever enough to transform it to a forward slash ? No, I said: SM is not 'clever' about, which was meant as SM is not stupid to. Sorry for not being clear enough. You are wrong because when i propose to SM the following: file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg he shows me the picture and modify his URL-adress-zone as follow: file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES/pose-yoga.jpg Why SM is clever with file adress and not with webserver adress ? I think David E. Ross has given you a very probable explanation in another reply: news://news.mozilla.org:119/euqdnsazdykfwv7rnz2dnuvz_uadn...@mozilla.org If you want to find out for real, you could ask the Mozilla devs in a more technical group. I will not go further, because SM gurus and devs think they are the best ... it's abnormal that SM works in every possible way except when the page is on my isp web space. This was causing me lot of understandings why it did not work when uploaded for online general use. File structure on the local system follows the rules of the particular OS involved whereas on a server, the convention in most cases is quite different and therefore interpreted differently by the browser. file:/server/directory/file.htm is server based file:/c:/directory/file.htm is local system based and the browser will automatically insert two more // such as: file:///c:/directory/file.htm Your image is displayed because everything following the file:/// is interpreted as being formatted locally and local rules apply, therefore the backslash \ is rendered correctly. If you try: http://your_server/directory/images\image.jpg will usually not work because the \ is an illegal character as such in some browsers but not all browsers. IE guesses that the \ is really a / and will work. As explained before http://localhost/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg with SM works ... localhost is a an access to your_server (mine) Yes, on YOUR local system, that's my point. If you try my examples, you'll find that it doesn't work on a remote server: http://www.ufaq.org/themes/RavenIce/images\logo.gif local systems are governed by whatever OS you're running locally. Could you try ... with SM the following: http://raymond.homedns.org/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg The problem is that i must have my pc up and running my webserver for you to test ... (i power off my pc when i don't use it - so tell me a date/time) For you (and i suppose also that's for me) it's a remote server. Can't get there with any browser: Failed to Connect The connection was refused when attempting to contact raymond.homedns.org. A TraceRoute went 21 steps from my connection to po1.ixdslstr2.isp.belgacom.be and then got no responses beyond. Try it now ... i let my pc on with the webserver active until further notice. http://raymond.homedns.org/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Trouble with hotmail page
When I try to open hotmail in sea monkey it puts my email list down the left of the page in big letters.The page looks nothing like my old hotmail page that I am used to. The only way to get this old page I am used to is to type www.hotmail.com again in the url space and it sometimes opens up like it used to. (mostly not) In case posters can not understand my wafflings, I post two pictures of my screen,the first is the unwanted new one that keeps coming up, the second is the page that I am used to.How can I stop the new one coming up all the time? IE usually opens hotmail as sea monkey used to Sea monkey opens up like the first screen photo and I don't want this. Do I have to use IE for hotmail to get around this? http://picasaweb.google.com/FMurtz9/Hotmail?authkey=Gv1sRgCISJpJL83KDIdAfeat=directlink ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: URL links not active?
Jay Garcia wrote: On 14.08.2010 15:24, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 13.08.2010 16:47, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- The offending url is: http://www.tripadvisor.fr/Hotel_Review-g635802-d1448378-Reviews-Auberge_l_Orry_le_Saquet-Ax_les_Thermes_Ariege_Midi_Pyrenees.html Works here just fine in ALL of my browsers, what is offending about it? Even works on my iPhone 4 You don't understand ... or a have bad explained :-) When i pass to you the url, using SM it's clickable for you,... ... but this same url in the mail from my wife is not clickable with my SM reading this mail. (i sent hereafter a copy of the mail received upon the request of J. Weaver Jr. saying: Can you post the source for that email from your wife with the non-functioning URL? ) In this mail, i can see the url typed correctly. I sent that URL to myself using all sorts of mail applications and they all worked. No idea why yours doesn't. Me too - when i sent this url to myself or better re-sent by a forward action of the mail from my wife ... it's clickable. One question I failed to ask ... when you received the email from your wife was that link all on one line or on two lines? It looks like on one line - that's the 3 lines i received: Si tu veux connaître l'avis de gens qui sont allés à l'Orry le Saquet regarde ce site, il y a à boire et à manger. http://www.tripadvisor.fr/Hotel_Review-g635802-d1448378-Reviews-Auberge_l_Orry_le_Saquet-Ax_les_Thermes_Ariege_Midi_Pyrenees.html Françoise ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
Hi, Ray_Net a tapoté, le 15/08/2010 10:50: [.] http://raymond.homedns.org/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg It works! GET /IMAGES%5Cpose-yoga.jpg HTTP/1.1 -- Stéphane http://pasdenom.info ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
FMurtz wrote: When I try to open hotmail in sea monkey it puts my email list down the left of the page in big letters.The page looks nothing like my old hotmail page that I am used to. The only way to get this old page I am used to is to type www.hotmail.com again in the url space and it sometimes opens up like it used to. (mostly not) In case posters can not understand my wafflings, I post two pictures of my screen,the first is the unwanted new one that keeps coming up, the second is the page that I am used to.How can I stop the new one coming up all the time? IE usually opens hotmail as sea monkey used to Sea monkey opens up like the first screen photo and I don't want this. Do I have to use IE for hotmail to get around this? http://picasaweb.google.com/FMurtz9/Hotmail?authkey=Gv1sRgCISJpJL83KDIdAfeat=directlink I have this same problem. I posted it a couple weeks ago and no one responded. Just another Microsoft change for the worse. I don't see any fix for it. What I finally did was put a shortcut for IE on my desktop, and I use that only for Hotmail. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
FMurtz wrote: When I try to open hotmail in sea monkey it puts my email list down the left of the page in big letters.The page looks nothing like my old hotmail page that I am used to. The only way to get this old page I am used to is to type www.hotmail.com again in the url space and it sometimes opens up like it used to. (mostly not) It's Microsoft's new browser sniffer. SeaMonkey is not one of their choices, so various parts of the page do not get loaded, including the CSS that lays out the pages. In case posters can not understand my wafflings, I post two pictures of my screen,the first is the unwanted new one that keeps coming up, the second is the page that I am used to.How can I stop the new one coming up all the time? IE usually opens hotmail as sea monkey used to Sea monkey opens up like the first screen photo and I don't want this. Do I have to use IE for hotmail to get around this? No, but you can do one of two things. 1. Use the PrefBar extension to change your UA string. 2. Change your UA string to include the words NOT Firefox I don't have the latest version around, so don't know exactly where that is ... -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:49:32 -0400, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: There are several Names Beverly being one that can be used as Man's name or a Woman's Name. Some though have different spellings. Example: Gale, Gayle, and Gail all sound exactly like. But Only Gale can be used as a Man's Name. Gene and Jean (Gene being male) Jamie can be either Male or female There are others I can't think of right now. The two most commonly used on Saturday Night Live to take advantage of this are Pat (Patrick/Patricia) and Chris (Christopher/Christine). And of course many foreign names, because we don't recognize them, could be anything. A Korean will know instantly that Daehan and Minguk are masculine and Miran and Obok are feminine, but no American would know... Counter example Hikaru can be either and even native Japanese won't know instantly. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: FMurtz wrote: When I try to open hotmail in sea monkey it puts my email list down the left of the page in big letters.The page looks nothing like my old hotmail page that I am used to. The only way to get this old page I am used to is to type www.hotmail.com again in the url space and it sometimes opens up like it used to. (mostly not) It's Microsoft's new browser sniffer. SeaMonkey is not one of their choices, so various parts of the page do not get loaded, including the CSS that lays out the pages. In case posters can not understand my wafflings, I post two pictures of my screen,the first is the unwanted new one that keeps coming up, the second is the page that I am used to.How can I stop the new one coming up all the time? IE usually opens hotmail as sea monkey used to Sea monkey opens up like the first screen photo and I don't want this. Do I have to use IE for hotmail to get around this? No, but you can do one of two things. 1. Use the PrefBar extension to change your UA string. 2. Change your UA string to include the words NOT Firefox I don't have the latest version around, so don't know exactly where that is ... I posted it in three different places including hotmail itself and got no sensible answers,this NG is the only one that seem to even acknowledge that the problem exists. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
FMurtz wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: FMurtz wrote: When I try to open hotmail in sea monkey it puts my email list down the left of the page in big letters.The page looks nothing like my old hotmail page that I am used to. The only way to get this old page I am used to is to type www.hotmail.com again in the url space and it sometimes opens up like it used to. (mostly not) It's Microsoft's new browser sniffer. SeaMonkey is not one of their choices, so various parts of the page do not get loaded, including the CSS that lays out the pages. In case posters can not understand my wafflings, I post two pictures of my screen,the first is the unwanted new one that keeps coming up, the second is the page that I am used to.How can I stop the new one coming up all the time? IE usually opens hotmail as sea monkey used to Sea monkey opens up like the first screen photo and I don't want this. Do I have to use IE for hotmail to get around this? No, but you can do one of two things. 1. Use the PrefBar extension to change your UA string. 2. Change your UA string to include the words NOT Firefox I don't have the latest version around, so don't know exactly where that is ... I posted it in three different places including hotmail itself and got no sensible answers,this NG is the only one that seem to even acknowledge that the problem exists. It is a problem, but not just a Microsoft problem. Way too many sites with clueless authors test only with major browsers, and include code (usually JavaScript) to see which one you are using. Typically, they test for Internet Explorer (possibly by version), Firefox, Safari, maybe Opera. SeaMonkey is not a common browser and is overlooked, so you don't get some or all of the page. With well-written pages, it is only necessary to test for Internet Explorer, and add code to fix up certain problems only that browser has. The PrefBar I mentioned is available here: http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
On 15.08.2010 03:48, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- My example and your example doesn't work here with SM 2.0.6 or FF 3.0.8 This is normal that my exemple did not work for you, because at the taime of you test, my pc was power off, and i was sleeping :-) J. Weaver Jr. have proved that my exemple works... Well yes and no. The example works on your LOCAL system even if accessed from outside because it relies on what your local OS rules apply. Put your same example up on any ISP's system running Linux, FreeBSD, MS IIS, etc. and will not work as proven by MY example that is hosted on my server running FreeBSD. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
On 15.08.2010 03:50, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- David E. Ross wrote: On 8/14/10 6:57 PM, Jay Garcia wrote: On 14.08.2010 15:15, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 13.08.2010 16:25, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 13.08.2010 11:11, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 23:32:34 +0200, /Ray_Net/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: The problem with the non-standard compliant behavior of IE in this case is the URI may contain \ (back-slash) as non-hierarchical separator, therefore IE will incorrectly transform it to a forward slash and result in a non-existent URI. So SeaMonkey's behavior is just fine - not being clever about incorrect URIs containing back-slashes instead of forward slashes for hierarchical path separators. So you said that SM is not clever enough to transform it to a forward slash ? No, I said: SM is not 'clever' about, which was meant as SM is not stupid to. Sorry for not being clear enough. You are wrong because when i propose to SM the following: file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg he shows me the picture and modify his URL-adress-zone as follow: file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES/pose-yoga.jpg Why SM is clever with file adress and not with webserver adress ? I think David E. Ross has given you a very probable explanation in another reply: news://news.mozilla.org:119/euqdnsazdykfwv7rnz2dnuvz_uadn...@mozilla.org If you want to find out for real, you could ask the Mozilla devs in a more technical group. I will not go further, because SM gurus and devs think they are the best ... it's abnormal that SM works in every possible way except when the page is on my isp web space. This was causing me lot of understandings why it did not work when uploaded for online general use. File structure on the local system follows the rules of the particular OS involved whereas on a server, the convention in most cases is quite different and therefore interpreted differently by the browser. file:/server/directory/file.htm is server based file:/c:/directory/file.htm is local system based and the browser will automatically insert two more // such as: file:///c:/directory/file.htm Your image is displayed because everything following the file:/// is interpreted as being formatted locally and local rules apply, therefore the backslash \ is rendered correctly. If you try: http://your_server/directory/images\image.jpg will usually not work because the \ is an illegal character as such in some browsers but not all browsers. IE guesses that the \ is really a / and will work. As explained before http://localhost/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg with SM works ... localhost is a an access to your_server (mine) Yes, on YOUR local system, that's my point. If you try my examples, you'll find that it doesn't work on a remote server: http://www.ufaq.org/themes/RavenIce/images\logo.gif local systems are governed by whatever OS you're running locally. Could you try ... with SM the following: http://raymond.homedns.org/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg The problem is that i must have my pc up and running my webserver for you to test ... (i power off my pc when i don't use it - so tell me a date/time) For you (and i suppose also that's for me) it's a remote server. Can't get there with any browser: Failed to Connect The connection was refused when attempting to contact raymond.homedns.org. A TraceRoute went 21 steps from my connection to po1.ixdslstr2.isp.belgacom.be and then got no responses beyond. Try it now ... i let my pc on with the webserver active until further notice. http://raymond.homedns.org/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg Ok, I'm done with this, thanks anyway. Unable to connect Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at raymond.homedns.org. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrading from 1.1.8 to 2.0.0
Harold Robbins wrote: This is my first message and I suspect that this question has been asked before, but I do not know how to get to the old mail. Some time back I received a suggestion that I upgrade to version 2. But when I did, I had problems and could not find my recent Emails. So I returned to version 1.1.8. I again received an invitation to upgrade to an even later version 2 Seamonkey and when I did, I could find only the saved mail up to the end of January so I have returned again to version 1.1.8. Please advise what I am doing wrong. I like version 1.1.8 but I need my files that version 2.0 mailers cannot find.. Harold Harold, I don't know why SM 2 mucked things up originally, but it made a partial copy of your profile and now, I suspect, when you use a later version of SM 2.x.x, it will find this failed profile and try to continue. What you need to do is start your SM 2.x.x and have a look at where it is storing this partial profile. Then totally close SM 2.x.x, (check you Ctrl-Alt-Delete to make sure), uninstall it, locate the partial profile and delete it (or, at least, rename it). (Might be worthwhile, on your SM 1.1.18 profile, select File-Empty Trash and then File-Compact Folders, to minimise the size of your profile, before SM 2 makes a copy of it.) Then download the latest SM 2.0.6, I think, install it and see if it can grab a full copy of your profile. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Help?
NoOp schrieb: but Chris has been trying to get rid of, or sell off the page for some time. SM should step up and create a proper FAQ/Wiki page of it's own (perhaps by coordinating with Chris to port http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/. [Thanks Chris] He hasn't been trying to sell it off, he has been trying to find someone _form the community_ to update and maintain it. When you say SM should step up, we should keep in mind that SM is a collection of volunteers, testers and other interested people, a community of people trying to help the project by donating the free time they can spare - i.e. all regulars on this group are the SM you are talking of, including yourself. And if anyone from this community can spend time working to improve this website (or any of the SeaMonkey-related ones), please tell us and we'll work with you to get you access to do it. What doesn't work is to rely on others to do all the work and only sate they should do something. The only reason this project works at all is because some people decided to do something instead of just saying that something should be done. Will you step up and help the project there? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: URL links not active?
Beverly Howard wrote: keith whaley wrote: I have noticed that on occasion URL addresses that appear in list or newsgroup messages, that start with http:// do not show up as an active link. In other words, they do not appear/display in my posted message underlined, of a different color, and are NOT clickable. What is the message window for this group's view message body as set to? Assuming it's set to one of the two html options, set it to plain text and see if the link activates. Best advice I've received yet. In other words, that works. Problem solved. I suspect that since most messages here are in plain text and their urls convert to links, but that the messages that show this behavior are in html format and have only the link text and no associated link created for the text. Beverly Howard I have a couple posters who ALWAYS send links that aren't links. On reflection, I'm almost certain they also always send in html. That will be proof of the pudding, and an easy way to retrieve the info they want me to see... Many thanks, keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
On 8/15/10 1:50 AM, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 8/14/10 6:57 PM, Jay Garcia wrote: On 14.08.2010 15:15, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 13.08.2010 16:25, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 13.08.2010 11:11, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 23:32:34 +0200, /Ray_Net/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: The problem with the non-standard compliant behavior of IE in this case is the URI may contain \ (back-slash) as non-hierarchical separator, therefore IE will incorrectly transform it to a forward slash and result in a non-existent URI. So SeaMonkey's behavior is just fine - not being clever about incorrect URIs containing back-slashes instead of forward slashes for hierarchical path separators. So you said that SM is not clever enough to transform it to a forward slash ? No, I said: SM is not 'clever' about, which was meant as SM is not stupid to. Sorry for not being clear enough. You are wrong because when i propose to SM the following: file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg he shows me the picture and modify his URL-adress-zone as follow: file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES/pose-yoga.jpg Why SM is clever with file adress and not with webserver adress ? I think David E. Ross has given you a very probable explanation in another reply: news://news.mozilla.org:119/euqdnsazdykfwv7rnz2dnuvz_uadn...@mozilla.org If you want to find out for real, you could ask the Mozilla devs in a more technical group. I will not go further, because SM gurus and devs think they are the best ... it's abnormal that SM works in every possible way except when the page is on my isp web space. This was causing me lot of understandings why it did not work when uploaded for online general use. File structure on the local system follows the rules of the particular OS involved whereas on a server, the convention in most cases is quite different and therefore interpreted differently by the browser. file:/server/directory/file.htm is server based file:/c:/directory/file.htm is local system based and the browser will automatically insert two more // such as: file:///c:/directory/file.htm Your image is displayed because everything following the file:/// is interpreted as being formatted locally and local rules apply, therefore the backslash \ is rendered correctly. If you try: http://your_server/directory/images\image.jpg will usually not work because the \ is an illegal character as such in some browsers but not all browsers. IE guesses that the \ is really a / and will work. As explained before http://localhost/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg with SM works ... localhost is a an access to your_server (mine) Yes, on YOUR local system, that's my point. If you try my examples, you'll find that it doesn't work on a remote server: http://www.ufaq.org/themes/RavenIce/images\logo.gif local systems are governed by whatever OS you're running locally. Could you try ... with SM the following: http://raymond.homedns.org/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg The problem is that i must have my pc up and running my webserver for you to test ... (i power off my pc when i don't use it - so tell me a date/time) For you (and i suppose also that's for me) it's a remote server. Can't get there with any browser: Failed to Connect The connection was refused when attempting to contact raymond.homedns.org. A TraceRoute went 21 steps from my connection to po1.ixdslstr2.isp.belgacom.be and then got no responses beyond. Try it now ... i let my pc on with the webserver active until further notice. http://raymond.homedns.org/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg The TraceRoute now goes 22 steps from my connection to IP 195.207.177.213, for which no domain name is reported. Beyond that, there are no responses. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
On 8/11/10 7:47 AM, Ray_Net wrote: http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/didyouseethepicture.htm Final analysis: You have constructed a URI that is invalid according to RFC 3986 because it uses \ in place of / to represent part of the path to an image file. The Gecko engine used by Firefox and SeaMonkey complies with RFC 3986. Thus, SeaMonkey fails to give you what you expect. You continue to insist that SeaMonkey give good results from bad input. IE guesses what you really meant by that invalid URI and gives you what you expect. In some cases, such guessing can cause errors. Rather than correct your URI, you want Gecko (and thus Firefox and SeaMonkey) to be broken. I strongly suspect that such breakage will never happen. Since I'm not a developer, I can't give an absolutely definitive answer on this. I do know that the same problem has been reported in the past by others, and they all corrected their URIs. You seem to be alone in insisting that Gecko be changed to give good results from bad input and in refusing to correct your HTML. I refuse to deal with this any further. TROLL! -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Help?
On 08/15/2010 06:36 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: NoOp schrieb: but Chris has been trying to get rid of, or sell off the page for some time. SM should step up and create a proper FAQ/Wiki page of it's own (perhaps by coordinating with Chris to port http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/. [Thanks Chris] He hasn't been trying to sell it off, he has been trying to find someone _form the community_ to update and maintain it. My apologies, I was thinking of a different site instead. I now recall: http://ilias.ca/blog/2007/05/want-to-take-over-seamonkeyiliasca/ And the thread in dev.apps.seamonkey where Asrail offered to help: [New SeaMonkey website - ready for prime time?] quote Chris Ilias, 13-11-2007 01:04: On 11/12/07 8:41 AM, _Robert Kaiser_ spoke thusly: We don't use any SSI on seamonkey-project.org, but we have the template toolkit available, which can do really great things, actually. Okay, my use of SSI is actually a lot more than templates. Any instance where a piece of code/text is frequent on the site, SSI is used. (I don't like having to make the same edit on 200+ pages.) I know mozilla-org uses a VARIABLES file for things link latest release version number, download URIs, and release notes URLs. I wonder if a sub-VARIABLES file could be used on seamonkey-project-org. I don't ever used this template toolkit or have read about it, but I don't believe it's hard to learn. In any case, I'm busy with the Firefox Support project. Maybe Asrail, who is now maintaining seamonkey.ilias.ca, might be willing to convert the content for seamonkey-project-org. I can help migrating the content and creating some on demand. /quote What became of that effort? When you say SM should step up, we should keep in mind that SM is a collection of volunteers, testers and other interested people, a community of people trying to help the project by donating the free time they can spare - i.e. all regulars on this group are the SM you are talking of, including yourself. And if anyone from this community can spend time working to improve this website (or any of the SeaMonkey-related ones), please tell us and we'll work with you to get you access to do it. What doesn't work is to rely on others to do all the work and only sate they should do something. The only reason this project works at all is because some people decided to do something instead of just saying that something should be done. Will you step up and help the project there? Sure. I'll be more than happy to help if I possibly can. I know nothing about coding a website. However if there is a channel/group/contact for testing, proof reading, assisting then I'm quite willing to learn help if I can. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Google Maps' Street View.
Hi! Is it me or is Google Maps' Street View not working anymore in Mozilla's SeaMonkey v2.0.x? I go to a location in 2D map, then drag an drop Street View's man onto a blue lined area OR its link to direct location. Then, I saw no aerial view map. It used to work long ago. I reproduced it on both my office machine's updated 64-bit Windows 7 HP and home's updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 machine. I have no problems in old IE6 too! Thank you in advance. :) -- We now go live to Ollie Williams in Channel 5 traffic chopper. What's scene? --Tom Tucker. Everyone looks like ants! That is probably because you're up so high. from Family Guy. /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Google Maps' Street View.
On 8/15/2010 9:07 AM PT, Ant typed: Is it me or is Google Maps' Street View not working anymore in Mozilla's SeaMonkey v2.0.x? I go to a location in 2D map, then drag an drop Street View's man onto a blue lined area OR its link to direct location. Then, I saw no aerial view map. It used to work long ago. I reproduced it on both my office machine's updated 64-bit Windows 7 HP and home's updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 machine. I have no problems in old IE6 too! Ah hah! I figured out even more investigations. It requires Flash! Weird, I don't remember it using Flash in the past. Also FlashBlock didn't show me its F icon. Hmm! -- One day he sprained an ankle rather than crush an ant. --Les Miserables /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
My apology, Beverly, for assuming you were a woman! ...not to mention a different perspective on women's rights ;-) Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
My apology, Beverly, for assuming you were a woman! No apoloogy necessary... as Mr. Cash noted singing Shel's song, made me strong growing up, and I have been having fun with it ever since ;-) Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: URL links not active?
Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:14:38 -0500, /Beverly Howard/: p = class=3DMsoNormalhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DvYAWrkvyYdcamp;featur= e=3Drelatedo:p/o:p/p the kicker is that the message was produced by; X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Possible that ms is again pooping on standards again? ;-) The problem is not with the weird markup Outlook is producing. It is Outlook doesn't automatically convert text which looks like an URI into a hyperlink when sending an HTML, like Mozilla does. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Google Maps' Street View.
Ant typed: Is it me or is Google Maps' Street View not working anymore in Mozilla's SeaMonkey v2.0.x? Ant wrote: [...]FlashBlock didn't show me its F icon. If you're posting questions about a site *before* you try it with a clean profile (no extensions), you're doing it wrong. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
David E. Ross wrote: On 8/15/10 1:50 AM, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 8/14/10 6:57 PM, Jay Garcia wrote: On 14.08.2010 15:15, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 13.08.2010 16:25, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 13.08.2010 11:11, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 23:32:34 +0200, /Ray_Net/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: The problem with the non-standard compliant behavior of IE in this case is the URI may contain \ (back-slash) as non-hierarchical separator, therefore IE will incorrectly transform it to a forward slash and result in a non-existent URI. So SeaMonkey's behavior is just fine - not being clever about incorrect URIs containing back-slashes instead of forward slashes for hierarchical path separators. So you said that SM is not clever enough to transform it to a forward slash ? No, I said: SM is not 'clever' about, which was meant as SM is not stupid to. Sorry for not being clear enough. You are wrong because when i propose to SM the following: file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg he shows me the picture and modify his URL-adress-zone as follow: file:///C:/Program Files/Abyss Web Server/htdocs/IMAGES/pose-yoga.jpg Why SM is clever with file adress and not with webserver adress ? I think David E. Ross has given you a very probable explanation in another reply: news://news.mozilla.org:119/euqdnsazdykfwv7rnz2dnuvz_uadn...@mozilla.org If you want to find out for real, you could ask the Mozilla devs in a more technical group. I will not go further, because SM gurus and devs think they are the best ... it's abnormal that SM works in every possible way except when the page is on my isp web space. This was causing me lot of understandings why it did not work when uploaded for online general use. File structure on the local system follows the rules of the particular OS involved whereas on a server, the convention in most cases is quite different and therefore interpreted differently by the browser. file:/server/directory/file.htm is server based file:/c:/directory/file.htm is local system based and the browser will automatically insert two more // such as: file:///c:/directory/file.htm Your image is displayed because everything following the file:/// is interpreted as being formatted locally and local rules apply, therefore the backslash \ is rendered correctly. If you try: http://your_server/directory/images\image.jpg will usually not work because the \ is an illegal character as such in some browsers but not all browsers. IE guesses that the \ is really a / and will work. As explained before http://localhost/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg with SM works ... localhost is a an access to your_server (mine) Yes, on YOUR local system, that's my point. If you try my examples, you'll find that it doesn't work on a remote server: http://www.ufaq.org/themes/RavenIce/images\logo.gif local systems are governed by whatever OS you're running locally. Could you try ... with SM the following: http://raymond.homedns.org/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg The problem is that i must have my pc up and running my webserver for you to test ... (i power off my pc when i don't use it - so tell me a date/time) For you (and i suppose also that's for me) it's a remote server. Can't get there with any browser: Failed to Connect The connection was refused when attempting to contact raymond.homedns.org. A TraceRoute went 21 steps from my connection to po1.ixdslstr2.isp.belgacom.be and then got no responses beyond. Try it now ... i let my pc on with the webserver active until further notice. http://raymond.homedns.org/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg The TraceRoute now goes 22 steps from my connection to IP 195.207.177.213, for which no domain name is reported. Beyond that, there are no responses. have i forgotten to tell you that i have closed my pc ? OK, it's up and running now for about 2 hours. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not working with SM but OK with IE
David E. Ross wrote: On 8/11/10 7:47 AM, Ray_Net wrote: http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/didyouseethepicture.htm Final analysis: You have constructed a URI that is invalid according to RFC 3986 because it uses \ in place of / to represent part of the path to an image file. The Gecko engine used by Firefox and SeaMonkey complies with RFC 3986. Thus, SeaMonkey fails to give you what you expect. You continue to insist that SeaMonkey give good results from bad input. IE guesses what you really meant by that invalid URI and gives you what you expect. In some cases, such guessing can cause errors. Rather than correct your URI, you want Gecko (and thus Firefox and SeaMonkey) to be broken. I strongly suspect that such breakage will never happen. Since I'm not a developer, I can't give an absolutely definitive answer on this. I do know that the same problem has been reported in the past by others, and they all corrected their URIs. You seem to be alone in insisting that Gecko be changed to give good results from bad input and in refusing to correct your HTML. I refuse to deal with this any further. I did not want anything ... i just wanted to know why SM works in every cases i tested/used except when the page is on the webseerver of my isp. I think that i have the answers now: When using file SM works ok with \ because my OS is windows. When using http://localhost/...etc SM works ok because my webserver do the translation. When someone outside my pc is using http://raymond.homedns.org/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg their SM works ok because my webserver do the translation. When Someone or me try http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/IMAGES\pose-yoga.jpg SM is unable to render the picture because all what was said about this subject. Now i have all explanations about all my cases, i am happy to know the reason why i had difficulties to find what was wrong. The problem is CLOSED and this was NOT A TROLL ! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: URL links not active?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:14:38 -0500, /Beverly Howard/: p = class=3DMsoNormalhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DvYAWrkvyYdcamp;featur= e=3Drelatedo:p/o:p/p the kicker is that the message was produced by; X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Possible that ms is again pooping on standards again? ;-) The problem is not with the weird markup Outlook is producing. It is Outlook doesn't automatically convert text which looks like an URI into a hyperlink when sending an HTML, like Mozilla does. I think that the problem of the non-clickable link in a mail from my wife have the same reason - but this time, the mail was created by Lotus Notes ... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:49:32 -0400, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: The two most commonly used on Saturday Night Live to take advantage of this are Pat (Patrick/Patricia) and Chris (Christopher/Christine). And of course many foreign names, because we don't recognize them, could be anything. A Korean will know instantly that Daehan and Minguk are masculine and Miran and Obok are feminine, but no American would know... Counter example Hikaru can be either and even native Japanese won't know instantly. Yes. I didn't mean to claim that all foreign names are of predictable gender, merely that monolingual English speakers can't predict, even in cases when a native speaker could. I happen to be a translator and an amateur linguist, so I've taken an interest in such things and can often guess right where a monolingual could not. For example, I know that almost all Japanese names with the -ko suffix are feminine (Keiko, Mitsuko, Etsuko, etc.), and that the Russian Sasha is a nickname for either Aleksandr (masc.) or Aleksandra (fem.), but hardly any ordinary people know that. Still, of all the thousands of languages in the world, I only know bits and pieces of a few popular ones, so I have my limits. Since we've strayed quite a bit from the topic, I move we adjourn this thread. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Help?
NoOp schrieb: I now recall: http://ilias.ca/blog/2007/05/want-to-take-over-seamonkeyiliasca/ And the thread in dev.apps.seamonkey where Asrail offered to help: [...] What became of that effort? It's been a long time since I heard from Asrail :( Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in Seamonkey
Beverly Howard wrote: My apology, Beverly, for assuming you were a woman! No apoloogy necessary... as Mr. Cash noted singing Shel's song, made me strong growing up, and I have been having fun with it ever since ;-) Beverly Howard When I went to high school back in 1960's. The was a fellow named Shirley Surber. Boy did he get into trouble. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: FMurtz wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: FMurtz wrote: When I try to open hotmail in sea monkey it puts my email list down the left of the page in big letters.The page looks nothing like my old hotmail page that I am used to. The only way to get this old page I am used to is to type www.hotmail.com again in the url space and it sometimes opens up like it used to. (mostly not) It's Microsoft's new browser sniffer. SeaMonkey is not one of their choices, so various parts of the page do not get loaded, including the CSS that lays out the pages. In case posters can not understand my wafflings, I post two pictures of my screen,the first is the unwanted new one that keeps coming up, the second is the page that I am used to.How can I stop the new one coming up all the time? IE usually opens hotmail as sea monkey used to Sea monkey opens up like the first screen photo and I don't want this. Do I have to use IE for hotmail to get around this? No, but you can do one of two things. 1. Use the PrefBar extension to change your UA string. 2. Change your UA string to include the words NOT Firefox I don't have the latest version around, so don't know exactly where that is ... I posted it in three different places including hotmail itself and got no sensible answers,this NG is the only one that seem to even acknowledge that the problem exists. It is a problem, but not just a Microsoft problem. Way too many sites with clueless authors test only with major browsers, and include code (usually JavaScript) to see which one you are using. Typically, they test for Internet Explorer (possibly by version), Firefox, Safari, maybe Opera. SeaMonkey is not a common browser and is overlooked, so you don't get some or all of the page. With well-written pages, it is only necessary to test for Internet Explorer, and add code to fix up certain problems only that browser has. The PrefBar I mentioned is available here: http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ I've seen the same problem and Prefbar works great. Sometimes Hotmail doesn't need a spoofed UA but when it happens, I change to a IE8 UA and get the page loaded. then do a reload page with real UA and it's there. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
