Re: Back to 2.14.....
On 11-07-15 11:14 PM, gheronne wrote: I looked at sync, and there is no way to setup your own sync server snip 1. Go to Edit--Preferences--Sync. 2. Click on Set up SeaMonkey Sync 3. Click on Create a New Account 4. Beside Server, click on the drop-down menu and select Use a custom server. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Back to 2.14.....
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 02:47:12 -0400, Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-07-15 11:14 PM, gheronne wrote: I looked at sync, and there is no way to setup your own sync server snip 1. Go to Edit--Preferences--Sync. 2. Click on Set up SeaMonkey Sync 3. Click on Create a New Account 4. Beside Server, click on the drop-down menu and select Use a custom server. He still needs to set up his custom server. I think the personal server version requires python. Can't remember the download/install page for the server. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Back to 2.14.....
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 15/07/2011 23:42, gheronne told the world: Add-on manager also changed in 2.2 compared to 2.0.14 - it now opens a web page which misses most of my normal adds-on, like BetterPrivacy, IEView, Image Zoom, and PrefBar to list just a few, which are found with no issues by the add-ons search in 2.0.14. G. I'm using both BetterPrivacy and Prefbar, and they are listed in the Add-On Manager without problem. Maybe there's something corrupted in your installation? Lists all om my extensions when I select Extensions, personas and themes when I select Appearance, and plugins when I select Plugins in Add-on Manager. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.2 Java problem
Paul Bergsagel wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 7/13/11 8:11 PM, Robert Gault wrote: William Greenwood wrote: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 Firefox/5.0 SeaMonkey/2.2 When going to URLhttp://stockcharts.com/freecharts/dynamicpnf.html?$SPX I get message: You either do not have Java enabled or you have an out-of-date version of Java installed. Please install the latest version from Java.com and try again. It worked fine with SM2.0.14 Works without the Java message in Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 Firefox/5.0 SeaMonkey/2.2 with Java Version: 6.0.240.7. Yes, it works okay in a Windows system. But the problem is being reported for a Mac system. Works fine on my iMac with the latest version of Java installed. Mac OS X 10.6.8 You want to check that you have the Java Plug in 2 for NPAPI browser (NPAPI) refers to Netscape Plugin Application Programming Interface. If I understand things correctly, the reason the reason the plug-in Java Plug in 2... is required is because of the manner that Apple's version of Java works. Apple's java is not handled directly by the browser, so this plug in is needed to act as a go between between the browser and Apple's Java. You need to check to make sure you have Java Plug in 2 for NPAPI browser (the version I have installed is 13.5.0). To check for the Java 2 plug in go to the Seamonkey help menu and click on it. Click on the last item About Plugins and a list of all your installed plugins. Apple's Java will not work if Java 2 Plug-in is missing. I hope this helps. As it turns out I had to uninstall Java Embedding Plugin by deleting the following two files: JavaEmbeddingPlugin.bundle MRJPlugin.plugin Once I did that, Java operated fine in SM2.2 and, yes, I do have Java 2 Plugin enabled. Thanks ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
installing all in one sidebar on SM2.2 - how?
Hello, Does anyone here know how to install a new version of All in One Sidebar on Seamonkey 2.2? It says the new version is also incompatible with SM2.2, and even forcing off compatibility checking it will not install. I have installed xSidebar, and the older version did work in SM2.0.14, but in 2.2 it will not install. I have asked at their support forum but so far the question has not even been posted. Thanks for any help. Margo Guda. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: installing all in one sidebar on SM2.2 - how?
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:31:11 -0400, Margo Guda wrote: Hello, Does anyone here know how to install a new version of All in One Sidebar on Seamonkey 2.2? It says the new version is also incompatible with SM2.2, and even forcing off compatibility checking it will not install. I have installed xSidebar, and the older version did work in SM2.0.14, but in 2.2 it will not install. I have asked at their support forum but so far the question has not even been posted. Thanks for any help. Margo Guda. As far as I know AiOS has never worked in SeaMonkey. I am the author of xSidebar and the genesis of xSidebar was partially inspired by AiOS. If the latter ever worked with SeaMonkey+xSidebar it was totally by accident. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Bug 669207 - right click in the empty part of the tabbar doesn't produce menu
Several people have noticed this including in the Mozillazine forums. This was a deliberate change I introduced when I implemented scrollable tabs. I think this should go into the FAQ so that I can point people at it. Secondly, should we revert this particular change for the time being since long time SeaMonkey users have been expecting the old behaviour. It isn't likely that the tabbar will be turned into a customizable toolbar for some time yet. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bug 669207 - right click in the empty part of the tabbar doesn't produce menu
Interviewed by CNN on 16/07/2011 12:59, Philip Chee told the world: Several people have noticed this including in the Mozillazine forums. This was a deliberate change I introduced when I implemented scrollable tabs. I think this should go into the FAQ so that I can point people at it. Secondly, should we revert this particular change for the time being since long time SeaMonkey users have been expecting the old behaviour. It isn't likely that the tabbar will be turned into a customizable toolbar for some time yet. Well, I wouldn't expect the tabbar to be drag-and-drop customizable anyway. The customizations that I *might* think reasonable would be best served by a dialog anyway, like the one in Preferences. I think most of us are addicted to right-clicking on everything and find it disturbing when something just... does nothing. It *feels* broken. So, I don't remember exactly what was the previous behavior, but a pop-up menu with open new tab, close all tabs and tabbar preferences at a minimum would go a long way to quiet that distress. It would be a natural place to add other tab-related features, such as Panorama, if and when Seamonkey decides to port it from Firefox. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my corner mailbox. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Back to 2.14.....
On 07/16/2011 04:05 AM, Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 02:47:12 -0400, Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-07-15 11:14 PM, gheronne wrote: I looked at sync, and there is no way to setup your own sync server snip 1. Go to Edit--Preferences--Sync. 2. Click on Set up SeaMonkey Sync 3. Click on Create a New Account 4. Beside Server, click on the drop-down menu and select Use a custom server. He still needs to set up his custom server. I think the personal server version requires python. Can't remember the download/install page for the server. Phil Perhaps: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/Weave/1.0/Setup/Storage ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Default Theme
I have four profiles. For some reason, one of the profiles still has SeaMonkey Default Theme 2.1. The other three have SeaMonkey Default Theme 2.2. How can I update the one profile? I cannot find any SeaMonkey Default Theme at AMO. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.2 Add-ons Manager searches poorly
On 11-07-15 11:30 PM, JohnQPublic wrote: I use the Flashblock add-on in Firefox which comes up OK when I search for Flashblock with the Firefox Add-ons Manager, along with 23 other related add-ons. When I try the same search in SeaMonkey2.2, only one add-on is found, NoScript, which is related but not what I want. I had to do a google search to locate the Flashblock website, discover thereby that a SeaMonkey version is available, and download it directly from there: http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ The latest versions of Flashblock for Firefox and SeaMonkey were released a week ago on July 8, 2011. I think it is more about the version of Flashblock on AMO being Firefox-only. For instance, if you go to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/flashblock/ you get redirected to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flashblock/, yet https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/noscript/ does not redirect. In addition, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flashblock/ says Updated July 14, 2011 and For other browsers such as Seamonkey 2.0, and Netscape 9, please visit our project installation page for the latest Flashblock 1.3.x. http://flashblock.mozdev.org/installation2.html#current; So I think the Add-ons manager is just showing add-ons on AMO that are for SeaMonkey. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.2 Install offers options but doesn't deliver:
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 14/07/2011 19:09, azed13 told the world: Normally, when I install new versions of Seamonkey I check custom so that I can disable things like Chatzilla and a couple of other services I never. I installed 2.2 on my laptop, selected Custom which only offered installation directory choice and where I wanted shortcuts. I tried it twice, no change. Consequently, I something called IRC Chat in my quick launch bar (which I absolutely do not want) and 2.2 seems to be loading pages much slower with too many time outs. How do I fix this or is there another installer that will actually control what is installed like earlier versions? This was mentioned on the Release Notes. For technical reasons, the installer no longer has that feature. I understand that there is the intention of writing a new version of it sometime in the future. In the meanwhile, the modules that were optional in the old installer can be uninstalled from the Add-On Manager. Chatzilla is the IRC Chat you mention. There is also the DOM inspector and the Javascript Debugger. All of them can be removed from the Add-On Manager. Where in the Add-On Manager is there a place to uninstall the modular options like Chatzilla, Etc.? -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bug 669207 - right click in the empty part of the tabbar doesn't produce menu
MCBastos ha scritto: Interviewed by CNN on 16/07/2011 12:59, Philip Chee told the world: Several people have noticed this including in the Mozillazine forums. This was a deliberate change I introduced when I implemented scrollable tabs. I think this should go into the FAQ so that I can point people at it. Secondly, should we revert this particular change for the time being since long time SeaMonkey users have been expecting the old behaviour. It isn't likely that the tabbar will be turned into a customizable toolbar for some time yet. Well, I wouldn't expect the tabbar to be drag-and-drop customizable anyway. The customizations that I *might* think reasonable would be best served by a dialog anyway, like the one in Preferences. I think most of us are addicted to right-clicking on everything and find it disturbing when something just... does nothing. It *feels* broken. So, I don't remember exactly what was the previous behavior, but a pop-up menu with open new tab, close all tabs and tabbar preferences at a minimum would go a long way to quiet that distress. It would be a natural place to add other tab-related features, such as Panorama, if and when Seamonkey decides to port it from Firefox. I did find it pretty annoying, especially at the beginning, since I was used to opening new tabs by right-clicking on the empty part of the tabbar, and selecting new tab. I actually also find it logical, that interacting with a place where there are no tabs yet should give the option to create a new tab... So, I agree with the menu MCBastos proposed -- Francesco ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.2 Install offers options but doesn't deliver:
JD wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 14/07/2011 19:09, azed13 told the world: Normally, when I install new versions of Seamonkey I check custom so that I can disable things like Chatzilla and a couple of other services I never. I installed 2.2 on my laptop, selected Custom which only offered installation directory choice and where I wanted shortcuts. I tried it twice, no change. Consequently, I something called IRC Chat in my quick launch bar (which I absolutely do not want) and 2.2 seems to be loading pages much slower with too many time outs. How do I fix this or is there another installer that will actually control what is installed like earlier versions? This was mentioned on the Release Notes. For technical reasons, the installer no longer has that feature. I understand that there is the intention of writing a new version of it sometime in the future. In the meanwhile, the modules that were optional in the old installer can be uninstalled from the Add-On Manager. Chatzilla is the IRC Chat you mention. There is also the DOM inspector and the Javascript Debugger. All of them can be removed from the Add-On Manager. Where in the Add-On Manager is there a place to uninstall the modular options like Chatzilla, Etc.? about:addons then choice Extension And for ChatZilla you have 3 choices: Options - Disable - Remove ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bug 669207 - right click in the empty part of the tabbar doesn't produce menu
On 7/16/11 1:08 PM, Francesco Presel wrote: MCBastos ha scritto: Interviewed by CNN on 16/07/2011 12:59, Philip Chee told the world: Several people have noticed this including in the Mozillazine forums. This was a deliberate change I introduced when I implemented scrollable tabs. I think this should go into the FAQ so that I can point people at it. Secondly, should we revert this particular change for the time being since long time SeaMonkey users have been expecting the old behaviour. It isn't likely that the tabbar will be turned into a customizable toolbar for some time yet. Well, I wouldn't expect the tabbar to be drag-and-drop customizable anyway. The customizations that I *might* think reasonable would be best served by a dialog anyway, like the one in Preferences. I think most of us are addicted to right-clicking on everything and find it disturbing when something just... does nothing. It *feels* broken. So, I don't remember exactly what was the previous behavior, but a pop-up menu with open new tab, close all tabs and tabbar preferences at a minimum would go a long way to quiet that distress. It would be a natural place to add other tab-related features, such as Panorama, if and when Seamonkey decides to port it from Firefox. I did find it pretty annoying, especially at the beginning, since I was used to opening new tabs by right-clicking on the empty part of the tabbar, and selecting new tab. I actually also find it logical, that interacting with a place where there are no tabs yet should give the option to create a new tab... So, I agree with the menu MCBastos proposed For me, bug 669207 is not a problem. Until I saw this thread, I was unaware that the tab bar had a menu or that I could open a new tab by right-clicking on an empty part of the tab bar. When my browsing session has only one tab, my preferences are set to hide the tab bar. I setup PrefBar to have a button on its toolbar to launch a new tab without having to select a link with middle-click. When the tab bar is visible (two or more tabs open), I can also select the icon at the far left of the tab bar to launch a new tab. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Ping Manuel Reimer] Prefbar + SeaMonkey 2.2
On 7/15/2011 11:57 AM PT, NoOp typed: Understand. Thanks as always, thanks for Prefbar - it's always the first addon that I install on every version of SM FF. Ditto. One of my favorite extensions. I guess AMO team is backlogged with all the other extensions due to recent new versions. :/ -- Stir up an ant's nest. --unknown /\___/\ Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Ping Manuel Reimer] Prefbar + SeaMonkey 2.2
On 7/16/11 4:13 PM, Ant wrote: On 7/15/2011 11:57 AM PT, NoOp typed: Understand. Thanks as always, thanks for Prefbar - it's always the first addon that I install on every version of SM FF. Ditto. One of my favorite extensions. I guess AMO team is backlogged with all the other extensions due to recent new versions. :/ AMO being backlogged might become the usual situation as extensions are repeatedly updated to keep up with frequent releases of Firefox. I also suspect that some developers will only update their extensions for alternating or every third browser release or might quit updating entirely. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.2 Install offers options but doesn't deliver:
Ray_Net wrote: JD wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 14/07/2011 19:09, azed13 told the world: Normally, when I install new versions of Seamonkey I check custom so that I can disable things like Chatzilla and a couple of other services I never. I installed 2.2 on my laptop, selected Custom which only offered installation directory choice and where I wanted shortcuts. I tried it twice, no change. Consequently, I something called IRC Chat in my quick launch bar (which I absolutely do not want) and 2.2 seems to be loading pages much slower with too many time outs. How do I fix this or is there another installer that will actually control what is installed like earlier versions? This was mentioned on the Release Notes. For technical reasons, the installer no longer has that feature. I understand that there is the intention of writing a new version of it sometime in the future. In the meanwhile, the modules that were optional in the old installer can be uninstalled from the Add-On Manager. Chatzilla is the IRC Chat you mention. There is also the DOM inspector and the Javascript Debugger. All of them can be removed from the Add-On Manager. Where in the Add-On Manager is there a place to uninstall the modular options like Chatzilla, Etc.? about:addons then choice Extension And for ChatZilla you have 3 choices: Options - Disable - Remove Just didn't see it the first time I looked. Tools, Add-Ons Manager. -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Ping Manuel Reimer] Prefbar + SeaMonkey 2.2
On 11-07-16 8:08 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 7/16/11 4:13 PM, Ant wrote: On 7/15/2011 11:57 AM PT, NoOp typed: Understand. Thanks as always, thanks for Prefbar - it's always the first addon that I install on every version of SM FF. Ditto. One of my favorite extensions. I guess AMO team is backlogged with all the other extensions due to recent new versions. :/ AMO being backlogged might become the usual situation as extensions are repeatedly updated to keep up with frequent releases of Firefox. Firefox extension on AMO are scanned, and the compatibility is automatically bumped up if they pass. See http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2011/05/21/firefox-5-compatibility-bump/. People are complaining about the ones not on AMO. Hopefully the same thing can be done for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Small bug regarding site icons
I noticed a small but somewhat annoying bug involving site icons/favicons behavior on Seamonkey (it does not seem to happen in Firefox, but then I don't use Firefox as much, so it *might* just have slipped by): The precedence order for saving the site icons on the Places database seems to be inverted. First, some background: site icons/favicons can be loaded in two ways. The preferred way is by means of a META element in the page head, pointing to a specific file. The other way is by looking at the root of the server for a file named favicon.ico. Now, I understand that the second method is considered bad for several reasons, but websites still use it. Mozilla browsers allow the user to disable the /favicon.ico method by means of the browser.chrome.favicons preference, or the whole site icons feature by the browser.chrome.site_icons. Here's the thing: some sites (like Wikia) have different icons depending on the method you use to fetch it. If the browser understands the meta element, it gets a customized icon for that particular wiki. If it is an old browser which does not understand it, or if there is no custom icon available, it can also fetch the /favicon.ico file, which is a generic Wikia W. Now, I have been noticing the following behavior: - If the browser.chrome.favicons option is set to FALSE, Seamonkey fetches correctly the customized wiki icon. - However, if it is set to TRUE, it will fetch the /favicon.ico, DESPITE there being a custom icon available, pointed at from the pages meta tag. It seems to me that Seamonkey is processing those in the wrong order -- it is trying /favicon.ico first and the header method only if browser.chrome.favicons is disabled. The damned part is that this happens only in a few sites. MOST Wikia wikis I have bookmarked behave normally. Only a few display this behavior. Wikia does not give users a lot of latitude in setting up this feature, so I can't imagine what makes one site behave differently from another. So... anybody else has noticed similar behavior? -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my HOLMES IV. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
So long, and thanks for all the fish
I've used the Mozilla suite from the Netscape days on OS/2. Right up to the end of the Seamonkey 1.x series, it always did what I needed, and I am truly grateful for all the effort that's been put into Mozilla, and Seamonkey in particular. I've tried Firefox, and used it extensively at work, but for my own personal use, Seamonkey was just more usable. Then came Seamonkey 2.0, with its badly broken form and password filling and management. With some add-ons, a reasonable degree of functionality was restored, but not all. This has led me to using LastPass, which has had a side-effect - I'm no longer tied to a particular browser. Plugins have always been somewhat problematic with Seamonkey, because as we are all only too well aware, many developers won't test Firefox plugins with Seamonkey, even if they'd most likely just work. However, the important ones (for me) worked most of the time. Then comes Seamonkey 2.1, with yet more user interface changes and some loss of function, and the Firefox inspired rapid release cycle. Although the Firefox team don't seem to see this as a problem, many users do, and we've been treated to the sad sight of developers who would far rather argue than listen. One or two have shown a stunning degree of arrogance which I have found quite off-putting. Just because Chrome can manage a rapid update cycle, with new versions, doesn't mean the Mozilla programs can do it the same way. The way plugins and extension work with Chrome releases is different to the way Mozilla ones work. Unlike Mozilla plugins which need to specify which versions and releases they work with, Chome ones merely need to check for a minimum level of Chrome: if it works today, it will probably work four versions from now. Not so in Mozilla's world. So, I've switched to Chrome. I don't particularly like it, but I'm liking Seamonkey less and less anyway. Chrome doesn't have all the plugins I want, but it has most of them, and despite worries about Google tracking every moment of your life, they do actually provide ways to stop them doing a lot of it, and there's plugins to do some of the rest. (There's also the small matter of not running into so many sites which say I'm not using a supported browser - businesses have quite rapidly adopted Chrome as a supported browser for customers, and the one I work for supports it for internal use too.) Once again, I thank the Mozilla and Seamonkey teams for all their efforts: the web and all its browsers are much better for their efforts; even IE has improved by leaps and bounds because of Firefox. I won't be along for the ride, but I will keep an eye open, and may be back one day. Graham. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Default Theme
On 7/16/2011 2:12 PM, David E. Ross wrote: I have four profiles. For some reason, one of the profiles still has SeaMonkey Default Theme 2.1. The other three have SeaMonkey Default Theme 2.2. How can I update the one profile? I cannot find any SeaMonkey Default Theme at AMO. It sounds like you may have following the instructions of one or two people on this newsgroup back when we had an issue with the theme/toolkit design in our early 2.1 releases (rc's) to which I tried to contest as soon as I saw them. Anyway, it sounds like you (or someone) manually installed that 2.1 version of our theme, which installed it into your profile. The best solution I can offer is to uninstall the theme from the profile manager (say, by switching to Modern first), THEN restart and you should be able to switch back to the correct (2.2) version. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish
I think you may find Midori a superior choice to Chrome. No spying and much tighter code. So, I've switched to Chrome. I don't particularly like it, but I'm liking Seamonkey less and less anyway. Chrome doesn't have all the plugins I want, but it has most of them, and despite worries about Google tracking every moment of your life, they do actually provide ways to stop them doing a lot of it, and there's plugins to do some of the rest. (There's also the small matter of not running into so many sites which say I'm not using a supported browser - businesses have quite rapidly adopted Chrome as a supported browser for customers, and the one I work for supports it for internal use too.) Graham. -- Thanks! 73, KD4E David Colburn http://kd4e.com Have an http://ultrafidian.com day I don't google I SEARCH! STARTPAGE.com Shop Freedom-Friendly http://kd4e.com/of.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish
On 7/16/2011 10:05 PM, Graham wrote: Once again, I thank the Mozilla and Seamonkey teams for all their efforts: the web and all its browsers are much better for their efforts; even IE has improved by leaps and bounds because of Firefox. I won't be along for the ride, but I will keep an eye open, and may be back one day. Thank you for your constructive comments. While many of us (SeaMonkey Council) share your concerns with the Rapid Release Cycle, the brunt of the matter is that us, as a Mozilla Platform Consumer, are tied to the platform schedule -- unless we want to expose you, our users, to security issues. If the situation on that level changes, we can -- and will -- revisit our release schedule plans. While I do not feel that chrome is a better choice for you as a user, I do not condemn your choice to leave us for the time being, I just hope, one day, you will be back :-) -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish
Graham wrote: I'm liking Seamonkey less and less [Large amounts of text elided] Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey, I note that they never mention the authors' participation in the Release Candidate trial/review process. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish
Graham wrote: I've used the Mozilla suite from the Netscape days on OS/2. Right up to the end of the Seamonkey 1.x series, it always did what I needed, and I am truly grateful for all the effort that's been put into Mozilla, and Seamonkey in particular. I've tried Firefox, and used it extensively at work, but for my own personal use, Seamonkey was just more usable. Then came Seamonkey 2.0, with its badly broken form and password filling and management. With some add-ons, a reasonable degree of functionality was restored, but not all. This has led me to using LastPass, which has had a side-effect - I'm no longer tied to a particular browser. Plugins have always been somewhat problematic with Seamonkey, because as we are all only too well aware, many developers won't test Firefox plugins with Seamonkey, even if they'd most likely just work. However, the important ones (for me) worked most of the time. Then comes Seamonkey 2.1, with yet more user interface changes and some loss of function, and the Firefox inspired rapid release cycle. Although the Firefox team don't seem to see this as a problem, many users do, and we've been treated to the sad sight of developers who would far rather argue than listen. One or two have shown a stunning degree of arrogance which I have found quite off-putting. Just because Chrome can manage a rapid update cycle, with new versions, doesn't mean the Mozilla programs can do it the same way. The way plugins and extension work with Chrome releases is different to the way Mozilla ones work. Unlike Mozilla plugins which need to specify which versions and releases they work with, Chome ones merely need to check for a minimum level of Chrome: if it works today, it will probably work four versions from now. Not so in Mozilla's world. So, I've switched to Chrome. I don't particularly like it, but I'm liking Seamonkey less and less anyway. Chrome doesn't have all the plugins I want, but it has most of them, and despite worries about Google tracking every moment of your life, they do actually provide ways to stop them doing a lot of it, and there's plugins to do some of the rest. (There's also the small matter of not running into so many sites which say I'm not using a supported browser - businesses have quite rapidly adopted Chrome as a supported browser for customers, and the one I work for supports it for internal use too.) Once again, I thank the Mozilla and Seamonkey teams for all their efforts: the web and all its browsers are much better for their efforts; even IE has improved by leaps and bounds because of Firefox. I won't be along for the ride, but I will keep an eye open, and may be back one day. Graham. I hear you. SM2.+ is different. I guess you never got a good look at the Data Manager or you probably would have said something about it. It's a little confusing to me. I bet I'll learn to deal with it. I hear you. I had to lean to edit install.rdf files to get my extras to work. I've learned a little more about my userChrome.css file. My active tab is now azure. And I can make it any color I want. I hear you. And I'm wondering why you just didn't go quietly? We're not going to stop the party just because one person is going home early. We're just getting started! 8-) Take care.. -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish
While I think some of the criticism is justified, I don't think the predictions are correct. Yes, the transition to the rapid-release train has been troublesome. Not just here on Seamonkey, but in Firefox too. But that happened in large part because extension developers are still getting used to it. It's a When developers realize that a version number jump is much less likely to break compatibility under the new system than under the old, because the changes are smaller; and when they also realize that the rapid-release system tends to discourage radical changes in the program and APIs, I expect them to begin targeting compatibility for a few versions ahead. I mean, the probability of a Firefox 4-compatible extension to work with Firefox 10 is far greater than a Firefox 3.6-compatible extension to work with Firefox 4. So, instead of conservatively tagging an extension as Firefox 5.x, Seamonkey 2.2.x compatible, we are starting to see more Firefox 8.x, Seamonkey 2.6.x compatible. And no, I don't think it's a shot in the dark; it's a fairly reasonable bet, particularly for simple extensions. Complex, security-related extensions such as NoScript or Enigmail will probably keep targeting only the current releases (or perhaps they will move to supporting the next beta). But they were always conservative in that regard anyway. As we settle on the rapid-release train, some of the problems we have been experimenting should resolve themselves. Changes are hard. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Motorola StarTAC. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish
JeffM wrote: Graham wrote: I'm liking Seamonkey less and less [Large amounts of text elided] Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey, I note that they never mention the authors' participation in the Release Candidate trial/review process. Yup. -JW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish
On 16.07.2011 22:15, JeffM wrote: --- Original Message --- Graham wrote: I'm liking Seamonkey less and less [Large amounts of text elided] Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey, I note that they never mention the authors' participation in the Release Candidate trial/review process. What else is required other than to be a user, I thought his post was quite eloquent and nowhere near being trollish. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
