Re: Using POP and IMAP together
On 7/26/14 11:21 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 7/25/14 11:00 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: BIll Spikowski wrote: I generally use POP for email, so I'm most familiar with how it works. I download all my email to my office computer and store it permanently there. When I look at my email from somewhere else, I can save it or delete it, but it still ends up on my office computer for archiving, which is the behavior I want. I've begun using IMAP as well so I can occasionally look at all the emails on the server that Spam Assassin has marked as spam and decide which ones I'd like to actually look at and which should be permanently removed. When I'm traveling, I used to have IMAP set up on my laptop so that I could delete regular email I didn't want to look at again but which wasn't deemed spam by Spam Assassin. Somehow that doesn't work any more. In my IMAP account on my laptop, I can permanently delete spam and it's GONE. But when I delete non-spam emails from the inbox, they still appear on my office computer when I return. Maybe I've just messed up some settings in Seamonkey, though nothing seems amiss. Is there some other reason that my IMAP account can permanently delete messages from the server's spam folder but can't permanently delete messages from the server's inbox? Are you leaving your office computer powered up? Sounds like POP is just doing its thing and downloading stuff before you delete it Yes I leave it powered up -- and make sure EVERY NIGHT that no seamonkey.exe process is running in the background, because I've learned that for some reason even an invisible seamonkey.exe process makes my Seamonkey POP account aware of new messages, even if it doesn't download them until I open the mail client. It could also be a configuration issue - how are you configuring IMAP to delete things (move to trash, mark as deleted, delete immediately) - if you have it set to mark as deleted, it's still in your inbox until you expunge -- in which case, the question becomes how your POP client handles mail that's been marked, but not yet expunged. I have the IMAP accounts set to remove immediately -- but I wondered if my server might interpret immediately differently than I do -- say automatically once a day instead of right now! That could be the problem; I should experiment a bit and see what happens... It's important to expunge the inbox for its contents to be updated on the server. That is done by settings (expunge on exit) or by compacting the inbox folder in SeaMonkey; otherwise, there will be a delay in folder contents as experienced by a subsequent POP3 access. Trane, are you saying the the server setting remove immediately really means remove from server next time you compact your inbox? (I've never tried using that setting - I'm to clumsy - I'm forever pulling stuff back out of the trash that I've deleted by accident.) Cheers, Miles Fidelman Remove immediately will cause SeaMonkey to delete the message such that it does not show up in the Trash. That said, the IMAP server still does not permanently remove the message until expunging takes place. This situation is easily seen when accessing the same IMAP account with SeaMonkey or Thunderbird versus accessing via webmail. When you delete the message in the mail app, you no longer see it, but when you log in via webmail or download the same content using a POP3 configuration, the messages will be there in the inbox still. Expunging, literally, cleans up the inbox to remove these flagged for deletion messages. Anybody who has done low-level database programming is quite familiar with this paradigm. It is I/O-intensive to do unnecessary writes. Simply marking messages as deleted for later cleanup is efficient, leaving the tidying up to subsequent garbage collection. It's worth reiterating that it is expunging that cleans up the inbox on the IMAP server. Compacting the local folder in SM or TB merely happens to start off by telling the IMAP server to expunge. As such, it is incorrect to think of it as remove next time you compact. Expunging happens without requiring compacting. Compacting is a LOCAL process. Expunging is a SERVER process. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Using POP and IMAP together
On 7/27/14 6:31 PM, Daniel wrote: On 26/07/14 23:33, Trane Francks wrote: On 7/26/14 9:32 PM, Daniel wrote: Snip Ahh!! So your Expunge on exit might go closer to Compact on exit which is a feature that, I think, should be available for pop accounts, but isn't!! I don't think so, Daniel. 'Cleanup (Expunge) Inbox on Exit' does exactly what its meaning would indicate: Expunging causes messages marked for deletion to be physically removed. The issue here is to note that POP3 servers and IMAP servers operate rather differently. On an IMAP server, /deleting/ a message only marks the message for _later_ deletion. With an IMAP account, when you delete your message in your mail application, it's sending a message to the server to mark that message for removal. It isn't done immediately, however; the actual 'real' delete only happens with expunging. Compacting just happens to _also_ trigger expunging on IMAP servers because cleanup is the first step in compacting. One can delete messages without compacting, but one cannot compact without deleting messages (that have been marked for deletion). Compacting and expunging are not at all the same thing, although they are somewhat related. I'm saying, on POP, deleting a message does not actually delete it, it's just marked for deletion. It *is* actually deleted when the account folderes are Compacted. I doubt it; otherwise, POP3 would have the Expunge setting, too. As such, leaving messages on the POP3 server until they're deleted works exactly as it sounds. As soon as you delete the message in your mail client, it will silently disappear from the POP3 spool. (Assuming that you're online.) Remember: Compacting folders in SeaMonkey is a LOCAL process. Expunging is a SERVER process. You, Trane, (I think), are saying on an IMAP account, a message is not actually deleted/expunged, it's just marked for deletion/expurgation. It *is* deleted/expunged as part of the expunging process. I think we disagree on giving equal meaning to delete and expunge. If you know anything about programming, it might be good to use the analogy of garbage collection in OOP languages. When an object that is no longer wanted is destroyed, it doesn't go away immediately. It is marked for removal and later on the garbage collector comes along to take care of the housekeeping and free the memory that was used by that object. IMAP expunging is similar. Expunging is done on the folder level because it is less expensive to clean up the whole inbox at one time than it is to constantly visit the mail spool to deal with individual messages and makes synchronizing folders far more efficient. You say either, I say either!! Doesn't quite work in text, but you know what I mean, don't you?? As a native English speaker, I do. I do, however, disagree that we're saying that same things. IMO, we aren't. Cross-post and follow-up set to m.general. Posted directly to m.s.s, as this is entirely topical to SeaMonkey and I no longer visit m.general. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Bug Crashing Problem
Using Seamonkey 2.26.1 OS: Windows 8.0 Pro 64x BUG: I have about 32 Separate Email Accounts - all of them are IMAP accounts. I have just subscribed to the official seamonkey news 'news.mozilla.org' This has worked just fine, however, when i now goto create another email account, the wizard that normally comes up no longer comes up, instead SM assumes that i want to set up yet another News Feed subscription instead. I have tryed from both the File New Account method, (what i normally do) and choosing 'Add Account' from the 'Mail Newsgroups Account Settings' window. Have quit SM and then re-opened it to see if it makes any difference. No luck. I have always been able to make a new account for adding emails, but since using the wizard to create a NewMail account instead, i'm only given the option to create new Mails News Accounts, not new email accounts. Crashing Problem: I am constantly finding that this version of seamonkey constantly crashes for no apparent reason at all. I wont even be using SM, and then immediately for no apparent reason at all it will crash, i have sent the Log everytime including my email address... The emails are all set to check approxx every 4 to 10 minutes (varies for each email account) I would like some help with this please. Ben -- - This email address is the property of Ben. This email address shall not be given out to online sites such as: Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo, Aim, My Space, etc, nor to be posted on any other public domain and is only to be used for its intended purpose. This email address may be freely given out to NZ Based Organizations without prior permission. Requests to have an email of mine put on a public site such as one of the ones listed above are welcome. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bug Crashing Problem
On 7/28/14 11:57 AM, Ben wrote: Using Seamonkey 2.26.1 OS: Windows 8.0 Pro 64x BUG: I have about 32 Separate Email Accounts - all of them are IMAP accounts. I have just subscribed to the official seamonkey news 'news.mozilla.org' This has worked just fine, however, when i now goto create another email account, the wizard that normally comes up no longer comes up, instead SM assumes that i want to set up yet another News Feed subscription instead. I have tryed from both the File New Account method, (what i normally do) and choosing 'Add Account' from the 'Mail Newsgroups Account Settings' window. Have quit SM and then re-opened it to see if it makes any difference. No luck. This is a known issue, but the trigger is unknown. You need to open about:config in the browser and look for one of your accounts that has been flagged as invalid (mail.server.serverX.valid = false, where X is a number). The fix involves changing the value of that key to true or to delete the problem account. Once that's cleaned up, you should be able to use the account wizard as usual. Somebody else will need to address the crashes. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Bug Crashing Problem
Using Seamonkey 2.26.1 OS: Windows 8.0 Pro 64x BUG: I have about 32 Separate Email Accounts - all of them are IMAP accounts. I have just subscribed to the official seamonkey news 'news.mozilla.org' This has worked just fine, however, when i now goto create another email account, the wizard that normally comes up no longer comes up, instead SM assumes that i want to set up yet another News Feed subscription instead. I have tryed from both the File New Account method, (what i normally do) and choosing 'Add Account' from the 'Mail Newsgroups Account Settings' window. Have quit SM and then re-opened it to see if it makes any difference. No luck. I have always been able to make a new account for adding emails, but since using the wizard to create a NewMail account instead, i'm only given the option to create new Mails News Accounts, not new email accounts. Crashing Problem: I am constantly finding that this version of seamonkey constantly crashes for no apparent reason at all. I wont even be using SM, and then immediately for no apparent reason at all it will crash, i have sent the Log everytime including my email address... The emails are all set to check approxx every 4 to 10 minutes (varies for each email account) I would like some help with this please. Ben ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
How to install Seamonkey
Hello. I am a Debian user, and I have been using iceape for a number of years, which has been provided within the Debian repositories, as a .deb package, for installation and updating, using the Debian package managers. I have a computer, upon which, I have installed Debian 7.5 Linux, with the LXDE desktop, and I want to run Seamonkey or iceape, on that conputer. The Debian project ceased provision of iceape, with Debian 7, and now, to get the suite, a user has to revert to installing and using Seamonkey. In my trying to find how to install Seamonkey, I found the web page at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall and I followed the instructions for Linux. However, in trying to run Seamonkey, using ./seamonkey, as directed, I get No such file or directory. How do I get Seamonkey to work, and, how do I get Seamonkey into the LXDE applications menu, so that it can be rubn from the applications menu? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to install Seamonkey
Bret Busby wrote: Hello. I am a Debian user, and I have been using iceape for a number of years, which has been provided within the Debian repositories, as a .deb package, for installation and updating, using the Debian package managers. I have a computer, upon which, I have installed Debian 7.5 Linux, with the LXDE desktop, and I want to run Seamonkey or iceape, on that conputer. The Debian project ceased provision of iceape, with Debian 7, and now, to get the suite, a user has to revert to installing and using Seamonkey. In my trying to find how to install Seamonkey, I found the web page at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall and I followed the instructions for Linux. However, in trying to run Seamonkey, using ./seamonkey, as directed, I get No such file or directory. How do I get Seamonkey to work, and, how do I get Seamonkey into the LXDE applications menu, so that it can be rubn from the applications menu? You might want to check out Ubuntuzilla: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/ Dave ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Using POP and IMAP together
On 28/07/14 17:19, Trane Francks wrote: On 7/27/14 6:31 PM, Daniel wrote: On 26/07/14 23:33, Trane Francks wrote: On 7/26/14 9:32 PM, Daniel wrote: Snip Ahh!! So your Expunge on exit might go closer to Compact on exit which is a feature that, I think, should be available for pop accounts, but isn't!! I don't think so, Daniel. 'Cleanup (Expunge) Inbox on Exit' does exactly what its meaning would indicate: Expunging causes messages marked for deletion to be physically removed. The issue here is to note that POP3 servers and IMAP servers operate rather differently. On an IMAP server, /deleting/ a message only marks the message for _later_ deletion. With an IMAP account, when you delete your message in your mail application, it's sending a message to the server to mark that message for removal. It isn't done immediately, however; the actual 'real' delete only happens with expunging. Compacting just happens to _also_ trigger expunging on IMAP servers because cleanup is the first step in compacting. One can delete messages without compacting, but one cannot compact without deleting messages (that have been marked for deletion). Compacting and expunging are not at all the same thing, although they are somewhat related. I'm saying, on POP, deleting a message does not actually delete it, it's just marked for deletion. It *is* actually deleted when the account folderes are Compacted. I doubt it; otherwise, POP3 would have the Expunge setting, too. As such, leaving messages on the POP3 server until they're deleted works exactly as it sounds. As soon as you delete the message in your mail client, it will silently disappear from the POP3 spool. (Assuming that you're online.) Remember: Compacting folders in SeaMonkey is a LOCAL process. Expunging is a SERVER process. You, Trane, (I think), are saying on an IMAP account, a message is not actually deleted/expunged, it's just marked for deletion/expurgation. It *is* deleted/expunged as part of the expunging process. I think we disagree on giving equal meaning to delete and expunge. If you know anything about programming, it might be good to use the analogy of garbage collection in OOP languages. When an object that is no longer wanted is destroyed, it doesn't go away immediately. It is marked for removal and later on the garbage collector comes along to take care of the housekeeping and free the memory that was used by that object. IMAP expunging is similar. Expunging is done on the folder level because it is less expensive to clean up the whole inbox at one time than it is to constantly visit the mail spool to deal with individual messages and makes synchronizing folders far more efficient. You say either, I say either!! Doesn't quite work in text, but you know what I mean, don't you?? As a native English speaker, I do. I do, however, disagree that we're saying that same things. IMO, we aren't. Cross-post and follow-up set to m.general. Posted directly to m.s.s, as this is entirely topical to SeaMonkey and I no longer visit m.general. Trane, I finally worked out what the (my!!) problem is!! You, quite rightly are considering what is happening, for both IMAP and POP, on the server, whereas I am looking at IMAP being a server service and POP being a Users Computer thing. Once I've downloaded my POP email, as far as I'm concerned it is gone from the ISP's server, so never to be considered again!! Well, that's my way of thinking about this!! ;-) And I figured this is not an SeaMonkey thing but, rather an e-mail accounts thing, so could include TB, etc, so that was why I cross-posted to m.gen, but, if you're not there, it was rather pointless of me cross-posting there!! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140415200419 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140408191805 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Using POP and IMAP together
On 28/07/14 16:50, Trane Francks wrote: Snip It's worth reiterating that it is expunging that cleans up the inbox on the IMAP server. Compacting the local folder in SM or TB merely happens to start off by telling the IMAP server to expunge. As such, it is incorrect to think of it as remove next time you compact. Expunging happens without requiring compacting. Compacting is a LOCAL process. Expunging is a SERVER process. Trane, I have a POP3 email account with my ISP, and that account has a 500kB limit before it starts costing me extra money. In my inbox, here on my computer, I have about 210 e-mails for this year, which my file manager program (Dolphin) is telling me is 20.1MB in size (O.K., I haven't compacted the inbox in a while (weeks)) So you're not saying that I still have all 210 e-mails sitting on my ISP's server or, as I suspect, once I have downloaded my e-mails onto this computer, they are (automatically) expunged from the ISP's server?? (Note: At Edit-Mail Newsgroups Account Settings-Server Settings-Server Settings, I have Leave messages on Server unchecked.) -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140415200419 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140408191805 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Using POP and IMAP together
Trane Francks wrote: On 7/26/14 11:21 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Trane Francks wrote: It's important to expunge the inbox for its contents to be updated on the server. That is done by settings (expunge on exit) or by compacting the inbox folder in SeaMonkey; otherwise, there will be a delay in folder contents as experienced by a subsequent POP3 access. Trane, are you saying the the server setting remove immediately really means remove from server next time you compact your inbox? (I've never tried using that setting - I'm to clumsy - I'm forever pulling stuff back out of the trash that I've deleted by accident.) Remove immediately will cause SeaMonkey to delete the message such that it does not show up in the Trash. That said, the IMAP server still does not permanently remove the message until expunging takes place. This situation is easily seen when accessing the same IMAP account with SeaMonkey or Thunderbird versus accessing via webmail. When you delete the message in the mail app, you no longer see it, but when you log in via webmail or download the same content using a POP3 configuration, the messages will be there in the inbox still. Expunging, literally, cleans up the inbox to remove these flagged for deletion messages. Anybody who has done low-level database programming is quite familiar with this paradigm. It is I/O-intensive to do unnecessary writes. Simply marking messages as deleted for later cleanup is efficient, leaving the tidying up to subsequent garbage collection. It's worth reiterating that it is expunging that cleans up the inbox on the IMAP server. Compacting the local folder in SM or TB merely happens to start off by telling the IMAP server to expunge. As such, it is incorrect to think of it as remove next time you compact. Expunging happens without requiring compacting. Compacting is a LOCAL process. Expunging is a SERVER process. And here I thought I understood IMAP. You learn something new every day. Thanks Trane. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Using POP and IMAP together
Daniel wrote: On 28/07/14 17:19, Trane Francks wrote: On 7/27/14 6:31 PM, Daniel wrote: On 26/07/14 23:33, Trane Francks wrote: On 7/26/14 9:32 PM, Daniel wrote: Snip Ahh!! So your Expunge on exit might go closer to Compact on exit which is a feature that, I think, should be available for pop accounts, but isn't!! I don't think so, Daniel. 'Cleanup (Expunge) Inbox on Exit' does exactly what its meaning would indicate: Expunging causes messages marked for deletion to be physically removed. The issue here is to note that POP3 servers and IMAP servers operate rather differently. On an IMAP server, /deleting/ a message only marks the message for _later_ deletion. With an IMAP account, when you delete your message in your mail application, it's sending a message to the server to mark that message for removal. It isn't done immediately, however; the actual 'real' delete only happens with expunging. Compacting just happens to _also_ trigger expunging on IMAP servers because cleanup is the first step in compacting. One can delete messages without compacting, but one cannot compact without deleting messages (that have been marked for deletion). Compacting and expunging are not at all the same thing, although they are somewhat related. I'm saying, on POP, deleting a message does not actually delete it, it's just marked for deletion. It *is* actually deleted when the account folderes are Compacted. I doubt it; otherwise, POP3 would have the Expunge setting, too. As such, leaving messages on the POP3 server until they're deleted works exactly as it sounds. As soon as you delete the message in your mail client, it will silently disappear from the POP3 spool. (Assuming that you're online.) Remember: Compacting folders in SeaMonkey is a LOCAL process. Expunging is a SERVER process. You, Trane, (I think), are saying on an IMAP account, a message is not actually deleted/expunged, it's just marked for deletion/expurgation. It *is* deleted/expunged as part of the expunging process. I think we disagree on giving equal meaning to delete and expunge. If you know anything about programming, it might be good to use the analogy of garbage collection in OOP languages. When an object that is no longer wanted is destroyed, it doesn't go away immediately. It is marked for removal and later on the garbage collector comes along to take care of the housekeeping and free the memory that was used by that object. IMAP expunging is similar. Expunging is done on the folder level because it is less expensive to clean up the whole inbox at one time than it is to constantly visit the mail spool to deal with individual messages and makes synchronizing folders far more efficient. You say either, I say either!! Doesn't quite work in text, but you know what I mean, don't you?? As a native English speaker, I do. I do, however, disagree that we're saying that same things. IMO, we aren't. Cross-post and follow-up set to m.general. Posted directly to m.s.s, as this is entirely topical to SeaMonkey and I no longer visit m.general. Trane, I finally worked out what the (my!!) problem is!! You, quite rightly are considering what is happening, for both IMAP and POP, on the server, whereas I am looking at IMAP being a server service and POP being a Users Computer thing. Once I've downloaded my POP email, as far as I'm concerned it is gone from the ISP's server, so never to be considered again!! Assuming you've configured things that way. POP can also leave copies on the server. And I figured this is not an SeaMonkey thing but, rather an e-mail accounts thing, so could include TB, etc, so that was why I cross-posted to m.gen, but, if you're not there, it was rather pointless of me cross-posting there!! Well, it's also a SeaMonkey configuration thing - in that SeaMonkey is sending commands to your server that determine when your deleted mail is REALLY gone from the server. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to install Seamonkey
On 28/07/14 17:47, Bret Busby wrote: Hello. I am a Debian user, and I have been using iceape for a number of years, which has been provided within the Debian repositories, as a .deb package, for installation and updating, using the Debian package managers. I have a computer, upon which, I have installed Debian 7.5 Linux, with the LXDE desktop, and I want to run Seamonkey or iceape, on that conputer. The Debian project ceased provision of iceape, with Debian 7, and now, to get the suite, a user has to revert to installing and using Seamonkey. In my trying to find how to install Seamonkey, I found the web page at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall and I followed the instructions for Linux. However, in trying to run Seamonkey, using ./seamonkey, as directed, I get No such file or directory. How do I get Seamonkey to work, and, how do I get Seamonkey into the LXDE applications menu, so that it can be rubn from the applications menu? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia Bret, (from WA, I think we've communicated before, on UseNet or otherwise! *not that that matters) I use SeaMonkey on MandriveLinux (but moving to Mageia, soon, I hope!!) with the KDE desktop, and use a desktop Icon rather than the application menu. When I install a new version, I copy the downloaded .bz2 file into /home/daniel/Internet/SeaMonkey/Betas and then, when I run (i.e. de-compact) the .bz2 file, it gets installed into /home/daniel/Internet/SeaMonkey/Betas/seamonkey. Then I create a desktop icon which has, in its Command: location /home/daniel/Internet/SeaMonkey/Betas/seamonkey/seamonkey-bin If you make appropriate changes for your installation location, your desktop icon might start it up. By-the-By, I actually dual boot with Win7 and have my SeaMonkey Profile on my E:\ drive so both Win7 and Linux installations can use the one profile. -- Daniel (from Victoria) User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140415200419 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140408191805 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bug Crashing Problem
On 7/27/2014 11:34 PM, Ben wrote: Using Seamonkey 2.26.1 OS: Windows 8.0 Pro 64x BUG: I have about 32 Separate Email Accounts - all of them are IMAP accounts. I have just subscribed to the official seamonkey news 'news.mozilla.org' This has worked just fine, however, when i now goto create another email account, the wizard that normally comes up no longer comes up, instead SM assumes that i want to set up yet another News Feed subscription instead. I have tryed from both the File New Account method, (what i normally do) and choosing 'Add Account' from the 'Mail Newsgroups Account Settings' window. Have quit SM and then re-opened it to see if it makes any difference. No luck. I have always been able to make a new account for adding emails, but since using the wizard to create a NewMail account instead, i'm only given the option to create new Mails News Accounts, not new email accounts. Crashing Problem: I am constantly finding that this version of seamonkey constantly crashes for no apparent reason at all. I wont even be using SM, and then immediately for no apparent reason at all it will crash, i have sent the Log everytime including my email address... The emails are all set to check approxx every 4 to 10 minutes (varies for each email account) I would like some help with this please. Ben Asking the same question again in only 8 minutes will not get you an answer more quickly, especially when your message goes out while many individuals in the western hemisphere are asleep. While the population of people knowledgeable about SeaMonkey might be worldwide, the Mozilla organization is based in California, USA, where your message went out at 23:34 -0700. -- David E. Ross The Crimea is Putin's Sudetenland. The Ukraine will be Putin's Czechoslovakia. See http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_PutinUkraine.html. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Using POP and IMAP together
Daniel wrote: Trane, I have a POP3 email account with my ISP, and that account has a 500kB limit before it starts costing me extra money. In that case, you need a new ISP. 500 kB is nothing nowadays, and you can easily get accounts with gigabytes of storage for nominal fees. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Using POP and IMAP together
On 7/28/14 9:30 PM, Daniel wrote: On 28/07/14 16:50, Trane Francks wrote: Snip It's worth reiterating that it is expunging that cleans up the inbox on the IMAP server. Compacting the local folder in SM or TB merely happens to start off by telling the IMAP server to expunge. As such, it is incorrect to think of it as remove next time you compact. Expunging happens without requiring compacting. Compacting is a LOCAL process. Expunging is a SERVER process. Trane, I have a POP3 email account with my ISP, and that account has a 500kB limit before it starts costing me extra money. In my inbox, here on my computer, I have about 210 e-mails for this year, which my file manager program (Dolphin) is telling me is 20.1MB in size (O.K., I haven't compacted the inbox in a while (weeks)) So you're not saying that I still have all 210 e-mails sitting on my ISP's server or, as I suspect, once I have downloaded my e-mails onto this computer, they are (automatically) expunged from the ISP's server?? (Note: At Edit-Mail Newsgroups Account Settings-Server Settings-Server Settings, I have Leave messages on Server unchecked.) No, I'm certainly not saying your messages are on the server. When you have leave messages unchecked, your mail spool is deleted from the server upon a successful download by a mail client. It is immediate. As I said before, expunge is an IMAP thing; it is not at all a feature of POP3 and simply does not apply. Compacting folders, technically speaking, has nothing to do with the server, as the message stores within SeaMonkey itself are what are getting compacted. Compacting an IMAP account /does/ involve the server, however, as before the local folders can be compacted, the server spool must be expunged. After the server has expunged the inbox, SeaMonkey synchronizes the folder being compacted and ensures the detritus has been removed locally. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Font problems
When I received my new laptop the other day I proceeded to do what I always do with a new computer, I copied my SeaMonkey directories from an existing computer to the new one. These are the directories: /usr/local/seamonkey (the program directory) ~/.mozilla I have a heavily modded userChrome.css file which I carry from computer to computer. I've set all of my system font settings, including those for GTK* apps, as I always do. But I'm having a hell of a time getting the fonts to look the way they're supposed to, and after much tinkering I'm about to pull my hair out. Once I get bold to work as I want in one area, other things are bolded that I don't want to be. For example, unread messages in mail should be bolded, as should folders containing unread mail. So I get it working correctly in my list of messages--but then EVERYTHING is bolded in my mail sidebar AND in all my menus and menubars. If I get rid of bold in menus and menubars, the bolded messages in mail are barely discernible from non-bolded. Clearly I'm missing something, either a system setting or a SeaMonkey setting, but I don't know what it is. Any ideas will be greatly appreciated. FWIW it's a System76 laptop running Kubuntu 14.04LTS, and I'm running SM 2.26.1 64-bit. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey EmailAccount Wizard BUG - Thanks to Trane Francks for Help
Just like to say thank you for your help, after changing the variable to 'True' the Accounts Manager works normally again, and i can now make new email accounts. Again, Thank you Trane, Ben. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey Accounts BUG - TO: David E. Ross - Your Mis-Understanding
Quote: Asking the same question again in only 8 minutes will not get you an answer more quickly, especially when your message goes out while many individuals in the western hemisphere are asleep. While the population of people knowledgeable about SeaMonkey might be worldwide, the Mozilla organization is based in California, USA, where your message went out at 23:34 -0700. -- David E. Ross The Crimea is Putin's Sudetenland. The Ukraine will be Putin's Czechoslovakia. See http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_PutinUkraine.html. The reason i had sent the question out again, was *NOT* to attempt to get an answer 'more quickly' - but was because when i received the email 'support-seamonkey Digest,Vol 103, Issue 50' i found the following info in it, which i thought meant that the seamonkey server had automatically dis-regarded my original querie. I thought that perhaps the server did not accept or recognise HTML documents or emails that had a signature that i have set-up on seamonkey using an HTML document which i made and saved using Microsoft Word. By default all of my emails are HTML (not text) based, and usually have an external file for an HTML based signature. That's the reason i had tryed to send my question again, but with no HTML document signature this time around. Below - What i saw in the original seamonkey email 'support-seamonkey Digest,Vol 103, Issue 49' An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.mozilla.org/pipermail/support-seamonkey/attachments/20140728/4bde7454/attachment.html Then this one in ' 'support-seamonkey Digest,Vol 103, Issue 50' An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.mozilla.org/pipermail/support-seamonkey/attachments/20140728/84382aa5/attachment.html Now while i can appreciate that the MozTeam probably get lots of email requests with many many questions from many people that want 'answers immediately' - i am NOT one such person - you should not make the mistake of atrring all people as such, yes i had a question, but i usually am prepared to wait about a week for a reply - an assumption on your part will not help anyone. i am always willing to help other users as well if i can. Trane Francks has helped me out with this issue for me, his answer worked great, of which i thanked him for it. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey EmailAccount Wizard BUG - Thanks to Trane Francks for Help
On 7/29/14 8:48 AM, Ben wrote: Just like to say thank you for your help, after changing the variable to 'True' the Accounts Manager works normally again, and i can now make new email accounts. Again, Thank you Trane, Ben. Glad to hear it, Ben. This bug got me once upon a time, too. :) -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey - Email - Reply button only quotes text from email until point where text becomes grey - a BUG or deliberate ?
On 7/29/14 12:02 PM, Ben wrote: I have found that if you press the 'Reply' button in seamonkeys email client, that IF the email that your trying to quote has ANY grey text (very light coloured), then only text from the beginning of the email up UNTIL the text turns grey is selected to be quoted back in your 'Reply' email. Is this a Bug or Deliberate ? Are you sure that what you're seeing as grey text isn't the signature? Signatures are typically not quoted. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey - Email - Reply button only quotes text from email until point where text becomes grey - a BUG or deliberate ?
Ben wrote: html head meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 /head body smarttemplateinserted=true bgcolor=#FF text=#00 div id=smartTemplate4-template/div I have found that if you press the 'Reply' button in seamonkeys email client, that IF thebr email that your trying to quote has ANY grey text (very light coloured), then only text frombr the beginning of the email up UNTIL the text turns grey is selected to be quoted back in yourbr 'Reply' email.br br Is this a Bug or Deliberate ?br br /body /html You most likely have encountered a signature delimiter - possibly misplaced. This delimiter consists of two dashes and a space, on a line by itself. Like this: -- See mine below. My sig, below it, is probably displayed in grey text. Please write only in Plain Text. Thanks for your consideration. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey - Email - Reply button only quotes text from email until point where text becomes grey - a BUG or deliberate ?
I have found that if you press the 'Reply' button in seamonkeys email client, that IF the email that your trying to quote has ANY grey text (very light coloured), then only text from the beginning of the email up UNTIL the text turns grey is selected to be quoted back in your 'Reply' email. Is this a Bug or Deliberate ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey - Email - Reply button only quotes text from email until point where text becomes grey - a BUG or deliberate ?
On 7/28/2014 8:02 PM, Ben wrote: I have found that if you press the 'Reply' button in seamonkeys email client, that IF the email that your trying to quote has ANY grey text (very light coloured), then only text from the beginning of the email up UNTIL the text turns grey is selected to be quoted back in your 'Reply' email. Is this a Bug or Deliberate ? Just before the gray text, there should be dash-dash-space on a line by itself (as for my signature area below). This line indicates a signature follows. Per RFC 3676, the signature area should not be quoted in newsgroup messages. That is why it appears gray, to indicate what will not be quoted. NOTE WELL: The space after the dash-dash is required, and nothing else can appear on that line. The signature area begins below that line. For a long time, Thunderbird also did not quote the signature area after -- for E-mail. This was made optional only for E-mail by implementation of bug #58406 in 2010, about 10 years after it was requested and after more than 200 comments arguing about the fact that RFC 3676 addresses only newsgroup messages and not E-mail messages. To include the signature area when quoting a prior E-mail message in a reply, set the preference variable mail.identity.default.suppress_signature_separator to True; the default is False. Unfortunately, there is no actual user interface for setting this. You have two ways to set it. Method 1: a. On the Thunderbird menu bar, select [Tools Options]. b. On the Options window, select the Advanced button at the top-right. c. On the Advanced pane, select the General tab. d. On the General tab, select the Config Editor button. e. On the about:config window, enter suppress_signature_separator in the Search area. f. Double-click on the mail.identity.default.suppress_signature_separator line to toggle the false to true. g. Close the about:config window by selecting the X in the upper-right corner, and close the Options window by selecting the OK button. Method 2: a. On the Thunderbird menu bar, select [Help Troubleshooting Information]. b. On the Troubleshooting Information window or tab, under Application Basics, select the Show Folder button to the right of Profile Folder. c. On the window showing the contents of the profile folder, find the file named user.js. If there is no such file, create it as a plain-text file. d. Open the file user.js in a plain-text editor (e.g., Notepad, Wordpad, but definitely NOT Word). e. Insert the following two lines: user_pref(mail.identity.default.suppress_signature_separator, true); // Include signature area when quoting an E-mail message in a reply f. Save the edited user.js. g. Terminate and then relaunch Thunderbird. In e above, you must include the semi-colon (;) at the end of the first line. The // at the beginning of the second line indicates it is a comment; I always comment my user.js entries to remind me why I inserted them. Comments cannot be made in Method 1, which is why I prefer Method 2. Also, changes to user.js do not become effective until Thunderbird is launched; if Thunderbird is already running, it must thus be terminated and then relaunched. Whichever method you choose, setting mail.identity.default.suppress_signature_separator to True will affect only E-mail messages, not newsgroup messages. -- David E. Ross The Crimea is Putin's Sudetenland. The Ukraine will be Putin's Czechoslovakia. See http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_PutinUkraine.html. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey - Email - Reply button only quotes text from email until point where text becomes grey - a BUG or deliberate ?
On 7/28/2014 9:18 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 7/28/2014 8:02 PM, Ben wrote: I have found that if you press the 'Reply' button in seamonkeys email client, that IF the email that your trying to quote has ANY grey text (very light coloured), then only text from the beginning of the email up UNTIL the text turns grey is selected to be quoted back in your 'Reply' email. Is this a Bug or Deliberate ? Just before the gray text, there should be dash-dash-space on a line by itself (as for my signature area below). This line indicates a signature follows. Per RFC 3676, the signature area should not be quoted in newsgroup messages. That is why it appears gray, to indicate what will not be quoted. NOTE WELL: The space after the dash-dash is required, and nothing else can appear on that line. The signature area begins below that line. For a long time, Thunderbird also did not quote the signature area after -- for E-mail. This was made optional only for E-mail by implementation of bug #58406 in 2010, about 10 years after it was requested and after more than 200 comments arguing about the fact that RFC 3676 addresses only newsgroup messages and not E-mail messages. To include the signature area when quoting a prior E-mail message in a reply, set the preference variable mail.identity.default.suppress_signature_separator to True; the default is False. Unfortunately, there is no actual user interface for setting this. You have two ways to set it. Method 1: a. On the Thunderbird menu bar, select [Tools Options]. b. On the Options window, select the Advanced button at the top-right. c. On the Advanced pane, select the General tab. d. On the General tab, select the Config Editor button. e. On the about:config window, enter suppress_signature_separator in the Search area. f. Double-click on the mail.identity.default.suppress_signature_separator line to toggle the false to true. g. Close the about:config window by selecting the X in the upper-right corner, and close the Options window by selecting the OK button. Method 2: a. On the Thunderbird menu bar, select [Help Troubleshooting Information]. b. On the Troubleshooting Information window or tab, under Application Basics, select the Show Folder button to the right of Profile Folder. c. On the window showing the contents of the profile folder, find the file named user.js. If there is no such file, create it as a plain-text file. d. Open the file user.js in a plain-text editor (e.g., Notepad, Wordpad, but definitely NOT Word). e. Insert the following two lines: user_pref(mail.identity.default.suppress_signature_separator, true); // Include signature area when quoting an E-mail message in a reply f. Save the edited user.js. g. Terminate and then relaunch Thunderbird. In e above, you must include the semi-colon (;) at the end of the first line. The // at the beginning of the second line indicates it is a comment; I always comment my user.js entries to remind me why I inserted them. Comments cannot be made in Method 1, which is why I prefer Method 2. Also, changes to user.js do not become effective until Thunderbird is launched; if Thunderbird is already running, it must thus be terminated and then relaunched. Whichever method you choose, setting mail.identity.default.suppress_signature_separator to True will affect only E-mail messages, not newsgroup messages. Oops!! I wrote the above as if you were using Thunderbird. Here are the methods for SeaMonkey. Method 1: a. In the SeaMonkey address area, enter about:config. b. (deleted) c. (deleted) d. (deleted) e. On the about:config window, enter suppress_signature_separator in the Search area. f. Double-click on the mail.identity.default.suppress_signature_separator line to toggle the false to true. g. Close the about:config window. Method 2: a. On the SeaMOnkey menu bar, select [Help Troubleshooting Information]. b. On the Troubleshooting Information window or tab, under Application Basics, select the Show Folder button to the right of Profile Folder. c. On the window showing the contents of the profile folder, find the file named user.js. If there is no such file, create it as a plain-text file. d. Open the file user.js in a plain-text editor (e.g., Notepad, Wordpad, but definitely NOT Word). e. Insert the following two lines: user_pref(mail.identity.default.suppress_signature_separator, true); // Include signature area when quoting an E-mail message in a reply f. Save the edited user.js. g. Terminate and then relaunch SeaMonkey. In e above, you must include the semi-colon (;) at the end of the first line. The // at the beginning of the second line indicates it is a comment; I always comment my user.js entries to remind me why I inserted them. Comments cannot be made in Method 1, which is why I prefer Method 2. Also, changes to user.js do not
SeaMonkey Website Down/Missing
Hey Everyone, I just wanted to give you a heads up, that the SeaMonkey project website is indeed down (due to DNS issues). This is not a sign of our project going away, just a sign that technical issues happen. To copy/paste from our Social Media person's post on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/seamonkey/posts/694398270609745): We're currently having technical difficulties with our homepage http://www.seamonkey-project.org, so it cannot be reached if you urgently need to download SeaMonkey, take one of these links: https://download.mozilla.org/?product=seamonkey-2.26.1os=winlang=en-US (Windows) https://download.mozilla.org/?product=seamonkey-2.26.1os=linuxlang=en-US (Linux) https://download.mozilla.org/?product=seamonkey-2.26.1os=osxlang=en-US (Mac OS X) Thank You! -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
