Re: Rebuilding SM Mail after a PC Failure

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Henrik37 wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Henrik37 wrote:


...

I would like to recover my 'collected addresses' (which I think is the
address book) but I don't know what that file(s) named.


No, "collected addresses" is not /the/ address book. It's /an/ address
book that contains email name/address records that SM has picked up from
incoming and outgoing messages. Your true address book is "Personal
Address Book" at the top of the listing if you do CTRL-5.


...


If you are confident that your 2.39 profile is intact (undamaged by the
failure), I would recommend copying the entire profile. The format is
the same, so you don't have to worry about anything being corrupted or
misinterpreted by 2.40.

...


My new PC is running Win7-Pro.  The old PC was running XP-Pro.

The existing profile on the old PC has problems and I don't want to use
it in its entirety.

As you indicate, the names of the 'collected addresses' and the 'address
book' are the same.


"Different..."


What are the names of those two files?  I prefer to try and use the
approach outlined of pasting the recovered files into the new SM 2.40
as that approach has always worked for me in the past, at least with
mail messages.  With the two types of address files, I recognize that
it may not work but I want to try it as the mail messages have
already been pasted in and they work fine once SM 2.40 creates the
necessary .msf files.

Accordingly, I am back to the original problem:  what are the names
of the two address files and do these files have the same names in
v.2.39 from an XP machine and in v.2.40 in a Win7 machine?


As Felix Miata just noted downthread, you can find the answers at 
.


abook.mab 	Personal address book [Window -> Address book -> Personal 
Address Book]


history.mab 	Collected Address book [Window -> Address Book -> Collected 
Addresses]


And much more, including instructions, if you follow the link.

File and folder /locations/ (not /names/) will be different, but you've 
already said you know where to find your profile on both machines so you 
should be good to go.


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Re: Rebuilding SM Mail after a PC Failure

[Felix Miata]

Henrik37 composed on 2016-12-09 16:58 (UTC-0500):


I would like to recover my 'collected addresses' (which I think is the
address book) but I don't know what that file(s) named.  Looking at the
new SM 2.4 installation file listing, it would appear that the address
files are shared by all of the e-mail accounts.  If I have that right,
what is the name of the address file(s) and can I simply paste in the
recovered file(s) into my new SM 2.40 installation?


http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/profilefaq/ explains.
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Re: akalla version 2.46 issues

[cmcadams]

Mr. Ed wrote:

On 12/07/16 3:32 PM, Mason83 wrote:

On 07/12/2016 21:16, Mr. Ed wrote:


On 11/20/16 2:44 PM, Mason83 wrote:


1) I was using the StartPage search engine for searches done directly
in the location bar. It now goes to duckduckgo.


That also happens in SM 2.47 (64 bit).  Build identifier: 20161201025712
No matter what search engine is selected or moved to the "top"
duckduck takes over.


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1265881#c6

"Workaround: set engine in Sidebar->Search and do a search.
Default engine is updated to this name."



Thanks.  Don't normally use Sidebar.  Did notice that whatever I change it to in
the Sidebar, it remains DuckDuck in the Edit/Preferences/Browser/Internet 
Search box



How I solved this in Windows 2.46:

Go to Edit > Preferences > Browser > Internet Search

Click on Manage Search Engines...

Delete every option but your search engine of choice in the pick-list. That engine 
will be the new default.


Clicking on Restore Defaults, afterwards, will restore the list but won't change the 
default.



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Re: Thanksgiving...

[Jerry]

sean wrote:
> As I continue setting up access to my 12 e'mail accounts via Seamonkey
> 2.49a2, I want to express my thanks and gratitude to all the
> developers who spend their free time helping to keep Seamonkey moving
> ahead...
>
> I've loved Seamonkey for a very long time, ever so grateful to see it
> moving ahead for 2017...
>
> Many Many Thanks,
>
> Sean Nathan Bean
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Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ralph Fox wrote:


Even if the recipient does have Wingdings, the recipient can still see
a "J" like the OP did.

  *  The Unicode value for "J" is 74 (U+004A).
  *  But the Wingdings font's smiley face has a different _Unicode_ value
 61514 (U+F04A) in the Wingdings font's cmap.

A program using Unicode will not find a glyph in the Wingdings font at
_Unicode_ value 74 (U+004A).  So it will substitute another font which
has a "J".


Yes and no...

If you launch Character Map, select Wingdings, and go to 0x4A, you see 
the smiley face. Switching to a normal font, you see "J" at the same 
position. (BTW, Wingdings is not a Unicode font AFAICT.)


Now try this...

If you take and copy the smiley face from Wingdings into MS Word, you 
get a smiley face as expected (the font window in the ribbon shows 
"Wingdings"). Now select it and do CTRL-space to apply your default font 
(Times New Roman, Arial, whatever), and it changes to an empty box, as 
if there were nothing at that code point. Now select the box, copy it, 
and do CTRL-F to begin a search. When you paste it into the search input 
window, you get the smiley face again. So at some level, Word knows it's 
not a "J," and its search routine doesn't treat it as one.


Similarly, if you paste this character into Notepad and do Format | Font 
and choose Wingdings, you see the smiley face, but if you switch back to 
a normal font, you get the "I can't find that" box. So Notepad knows, too.


In Character Map, the most complete font I know (Arial Unicode MS) has 
nothing at U+F04A -- it jumps from  and  at U+F001 and U+F002 to  and 
 at U+F700 and U+F701.


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Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Richmond wrote:


"Paul B. Gallagher"  writes:


True enough. But there are hundreds of sites where you can download
and install Wingdings for free. It's not hard. And given the
prevalence of Windows and the popularity of Wingdings, it's a
reasonable thing for an end user to do.


When you say "for free" do you mean illegally? It seems to be
licensed.


Well, now, I already have it so I haven't done a thorough investigation 
of the ins and outs of it. I didn't mean to recommend anything illegal.



Anyway, I don't want a font that puts a smiley face where the letter
J should be. It's like breaking all systems to match the brokenness
of Microsoft. J


Up to you. I's jes' sayin...

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Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

[Ralph Fox]

On Fri, 9 Dec 2016 17:56:59 -0500, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

> Richmond wrote:
> 
>> You cannot do that if you don't have the Microsoft Wingdings font
>> (because you aren't using Microsoft).


The OP is running Windows 7.  It is highly likely that the OP does have
the Wingdings font installed.


> True enough. But there are hundreds of sites where you can download and 
> install Wingdings for free. It's not hard. And given the prevalence of 
> Windows and the popularity of Wingdings, it's a reasonable thing for an 
> end user to do.
> 
> As a sender, it's a fair point that you can't assume all recipients have 
> Wingdings, so some of them will see "J." 


Even if the recipient does have Wingdings, the recipient can still see 
a "J" like the OP did.

 *  The Unicode value for "J" is 74 (U+004A).
 *  But the Wingdings font's smiley face has a different _Unicode_ value 
61514 (U+F04A) in the Wingdings font's cmap.

A program using Unicode will not find a glyph in the Wingdings font at 
_Unicode_ value 74 (U+004A).  So it will substitute another font which 
has a "J".


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Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

[Richmond]

"Paul B. Gallagher"  writes:

> True enough. But there are hundreds of sites where you can download
> and install Wingdings for free. It's not hard. And given the
> prevalence of Windows and the popularity of Wingdings, it's a
> reasonable thing for an end user to do.
>

When you say "for free" do you mean illegally? It seems to be
licensed. Anyway, I don't want a font that puts a smiley face where the
letter J should be. It's like breaking all systems to match the
brokenness of Microsoft. J
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Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Richmond wrote:


"Paul B. Gallagher"  writes:


In an HTML page (or an HTML email), if the sender specifies the
font Wingdings and sends the character "J," SeaMonkey should do as
it's told and display the Wingdings glyph for that character point.
That wouldn't be a violation, would it?


You cannot do that if you don't have the Microsoft Wingdings font
(because you aren't using Microsoft).


True enough. But there are hundreds of sites where you can download and 
install Wingdings for free. It's not hard. And given the prevalence of 
Windows and the popularity of Wingdings, it's a reasonable thing for an 
end user to do.


As a sender, it's a fair point that you can't assume all recipients have 
Wingdings, so some of them will see "J." If that bothers you, don't 
specify it and set yourself up for failure. But if you're OK taking that 
chance, that's your choice. And if you're an Outlook user and don't know 
any better, oh well... ;-)


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Re: Rebuilding SM Mail after a PC Failure

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Henrik37 wrote:


I am in the process of rebuilding my SM mail system on a new PC after an
unexpected major failure of an old PC.  The failed PC ran SM 2.39.  The
new PC has SM 2.40 installed but is not yet in use.

Using the command prompt, I have managed to copy the 'inbox' and 'sent'
files for all six of my e-mail accounts to a memory stick.  I know where
to paste these recovered files into my new SM 2.40 installation's mail
files.

I would like to recover my 'collected addresses' (which I think is the
address book) but I don't know what that file(s) named.


No, "collected addresses" is not /the/ address book. It's /an/ address 
book that contains email name/address records that SM has picked up from 
incoming and outgoing messages. Your true address book is "Personal 
Address Book" at the top of the listing if you do CTRL-5.



...

Thank you, in advamce for comments, advice, and guidance on the
questions I have raised


If you are confident that your 2.39 profile is intact (undamaged by the 
failure), I would recommend copying the entire profile. The format is 
the same, so you don't have to worry about anything being corrupted or 
misinterpreted by 2.40.


Here's a safe way to do it (assuming based on info in your message 
header that you're using Windows 7):


1) With SM completely closed (to be sure, make sure there is no process 
"seamonkey.exe*32" in Windows Task Manager, "Processes" tab), locate the 
\Mozilla\ folder created on the target computer when you installed SM 
2.40. In Windows 7, it should be at 
C:\Users\Your_Windows_Name\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\. Rename it to 
\Old_Mozilla\.


2) With SM completely closed on the source computer, locate the 
corresponding \Mozilla\ folder and copy it to your memory stick. It 
should fit -- after 20 years of Netscape, Mozilla, and SeaMonkey, and 
the corresponding mail folders and browser history, mine fits within 5 GB.


3) Copy the old \Mozilla\ folder to the same \Roaming\ directory as the 
\Old_Mozilla\ folder on the target computer. Don't put it under 
\Old_Mozilla\, but parallel to it.


4) Launch SM 2.40 on the target computer, test to see that all is well. 
When you're satisfied, feel free to delete the \Old_Mozilla\ folder. SM 
won't see it or use it, so you don't have to worry about closing SM first.


(If this doesn't work, close SM on the target computer, delete the 
\Mozilla\ folder, and unrename \Old_Mozilla\ back to \Mozilla\. You're 
back where you started with no harm done and you can then try other 
options.)


This should capture everything you had on the source computer -- mail 
folders and messages, bookmarks, address books, passwords, browsing 
history, everything.


One thing you should double-check is your add-ons and extensions 
(CTRL-SHIFT-A) -- if you don't have the same ones installed on the 
target computer, you may get unexpected results when you try to access 
content that uses them. For example, if you had been using VLC to play 
Flash videos and SM knows (Edit | Preferences | Browser | Helper 
Applications) to launch VLC whenever it encounters one, what will happen 
if VLC is not installed on the new computer? In the same way, if you had 
specified that particular fonts should be used to display certain 
encodings and those fonts are not installed on the new computer, you 
won't get what you want. So either install the missing stuff or change 
your prefs.


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Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

[Richmond]

"Paul B. Gallagher"  writes:

>
> In an HTML page (or an HTML email), if the sender specifies the font
> Wingdings and sends the character "J," SeaMonkey should do as it's
> told and display the Wingdings glyph for that character point. That
> wouldn't be a violation, would it?
>

You cannot do that if you don't have the Microsoft Windings font
(because you aren't using Microsoft).
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Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

[Ray_Net]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 09-12-16 22:16:

David E. Ross wrote:


It would be definitely wrong -- a major deviation from the commitment
to adhere to standards -- for any Mozilla-based application to
render 0x004A as anything other than J.


In an HTML page (or an HTML email), if the sender specifies the font 
Wingdings and sends the character "J," SeaMonkey should do as it's 
told and display the Wingdings glyph for that character point. That 
wouldn't be a violation, would it?


The problem would arise, as I see it, if the recipient has set SM to 
ignore the sender's font specification and use the recipient's 
preferred font. For example, if you send me such a message and I've 
forced Arial, I'll get a "J," and I'll have no one to blame but myself.


The OP might look under Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Fonts and 
see whether "Allow documents to use other fonts" is checked. If not, 
his own preferences will override those of the sender.


I have this option "Allow documents to use other fonts"set - so SM must 
display the "J" in the windings font.

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Re: akalla version 2.46 issues

[Mason83]

On 09/12/2016 20:10, EE wrote:

> If I search in my URL bar, I get whatever engine is selected in the 
> searchbar.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1265881

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Re: Patch fixing mnenhy

[Mason83]

On 09/12/2016 20:57, John Duncan wrote:

> Mason83 wrote:
>
>> It is likely that the original author has stopped working on that
>> add-on. However, someone else picked up the ball:
>>
>> https://www.mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=26256#c2
>> https://bitbucket.org/stanio/mnenhy/downloads
>>
>> Here are the differences between
>> mnenhy-0.8.6-fx+tb+sm.zip (the original from amo)
>> and
>> mnenhy-0.8.6.1.2-stanio.zip (the update from stanio)
>>
>> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8930566
>>
>> Same diff, ignoring white-space changes and lines starting
>> with "let", "var", or "const"
>>
>> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8930568
>>
>> Ratty and frg said the changes are just syntactic.
>
> Would this breakage have anything to do with the fact that the XUL/XPCOM 
> SDK is being deprecated in the near future? I am writing/maintaining a 
> similar add-on (to display Face/X-Face/etc. headers in the header area), 
> and I think that my add-on will most likely break soon too.
> 
> https://github.com/JohnDDuncanIII/MessageFaces
> ^ url, if you're interested.

FWIW, mnenhy already displays Xface ;-)

Take a look at the diff I posted, you'll see what was needed to fix
the extension. Apparently, there was a change in ES6 syntax?

https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8930566
https://www.sitepoint.com/preparing-ecmascript-6-let-const/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECMAScript#6th_Edition_-_ECMAScript_2015

AFAIU, this is unrelated to the push for "WebExtensions".

https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2015/08/21/the-future-of-developing-firefox-add-ons/
https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebExtensions

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Rebuilding SM Mail after a PC Failure

[Henrik37]

I am in the process of rebuilding my SM mail system on a new PC after an 
unexpected major failure of an old PC.  The failed PC ran SM 2.39.  The 
new PC has SM 2.40 installed but is not yet in use.


Using the command prompt, I have managed to copy the 'inbox' and 'sent' 
files for all six of my e-mail accounts to a memory stick.  I know where 
to paste these recovered files into my new SM 2.40 installation's mail 
files.


I would like to recover my 'collected addresses' (which I think is the 
address book) but I don't know what that file(s) named.  Looking at the 
new SM 2.4 installation file listing, it would appear that the address 
files are shared by all of the e-mail accounts.  If I have that right, 
what is the name of the address file(s) and can I simply paste in the 
recovered file(s) into my new SM 2.40 installation?


Is there any other file I might try to recover that I should look for 
that could be pasted in my new installation?


My approach of pasting old files may seem awfully old-fashioned to 
younger folks on this list, but I go back to the MS-DOS days and know 
how to do it and it works reasonably well as long as I am replacing 
identically named files.


Thank you, in advamce for comments, advice, and guidance on the 
questions I have raised

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Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:


It would be definitely wrong -- a major deviation from the commitment
to adhere to standards -- for any Mozilla-based application to
render 0x004A as anything other than J.


In an HTML page (or an HTML email), if the sender specifies the font 
Wingdings and sends the character "J," SeaMonkey should do as it's told 
and display the Wingdings glyph for that character point. That wouldn't 
be a violation, would it?


The problem would arise, as I see it, if the recipient has set SM to 
ignore the sender's font specification and use the recipient's preferred 
font. For example, if you send me such a message and I've forced Arial, 
I'll get a "J," and I'll have no one to blame but myself.


The OP might look under Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Fonts and see 
whether "Allow documents to use other fonts" is checked. If not, his own 
preferences will override those of the sender.


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Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

[David E. Ross]

On 12/9/2016 7:50 AM, Ray_Net wrote:
> Richmond wrote on 09-12-16 11:03:
>> "David E. Ross"  writes:
>>
>>> I assert that it is the sender's reponsibility to ensure that sent
>>> messages can be correctly viewed by the intended recipients.  This is
>> But while we are waiting for the ideal world, we have to be
>> pragmatic. Senders with MS Office don't know what they are doing
>> typically.
> When I was at work, everybody uses Microsoft Outlook and everyboy uses 
> Wingdings to make a smiley.
> We did not know that outside our intranet, that this "picture" is not 
> shown correctly.
> Now, with my windows10 machine, I use SM, but If I use Outlook, I think 
> that the wingdings smiley will render correctly.
> So it looks, that the problem is an SM problem; because Outlook can 
> render the wingdings smiley which is present on my computer (I have this 
> font available)
> 

No, the problem is that Outlook users are inserting a smilie face glyph
from a graphics font that has the same code-point (0x004A) as the letter
J in other fonts.  This is peculiar to Microsoft and its Wingdings font.
 It is definitely non-standard.  The Unicode standard has the smilie
face glyph at code-point 0x1F642

It would be definitely wrong -- a major deviation from the commitment to
adhere to standards -- for any Mozilla-based application to render
0x004A as anything other than J.

You should read
.


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Re: akalla version 2.46 issues

[John Duncan]

Mason83 wrote:

On 22/11/2016 15:54, TCW wrote:


On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 21:08:09 +0100, Mason83 wrote:


On 20/11/2016 20:50, Mason83 wrote:

On 20/11/2016 20:47, Mason83 wrote:

On 20/11/2016 20:44, Mason83 wrote:


2) When I display an email or NG message, the header pane was empty.
Removing the Mnenhy add-on seems to have fixed that.
Will try reinstalling.


https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/mnenhy/

Breaks the header pane...

Incompatible with Lightning?


Disabling Lightning doesn't help :-(

Maybe Mnenhy is just not compatible with SM 2.46?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/mnenhy/
says Works with Thunderbird 3.0 - 29.0a1

If anyone is using that extension on SM 2.46 or higher,
I'm all ears.


Last Updated: February 25, 2014

Probably broken by the upgrade tread-mill :-(

I used it for Message-ID Search and Custom Headers/X-Faces.

Any other extension supporting those features?

Regards.


Probably just a dead and unsupported add-on.


It is likely that the original author has stopped working on that
add-on. However, someone else picked up the ball:

https://www.mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=26256#c2
https://bitbucket.org/stanio/mnenhy/downloads

Here are the differences between
mnenhy-0.8.6-fx+tb+sm.zip (the original from amo)
and
mnenhy-0.8.6.1.2-stanio.zip (the update from stanio)

https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8930566

Same diff, ignoring white-space changes and lines starting
with "let", "var", or "const"

https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8930568

Ratty and frg said the changes are just syntactic.

Regards.

Would this breakage have anything to do with the fact that the XUL/XPCOM 
SDK is being deprecated in the near future? I am writing/maintaining a 
similar add-on (to display Face/X-Face/etc. headers in the header area), 
and I think that my add-on will most likely break soon too.


https://github.com/JohnDDuncanIII/MessageFaces
^ url, if you're interested.
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Re: akalla version 2.46 issues

[EE]

Mason83 wrote:

On 08/12/2016 20:11, EE wrote:

Mr. Ed wrote:

On 12/07/16 3:32 PM, Mason83 wrote:

On 07/12/2016 21:16, Mr. Ed wrote:


On 11/20/16 2:44 PM, Mason83 wrote:


1) I was using the StartPage search engine for searches done directly
in the location bar. It now goes to duckduckgo.


That also happens in SM 2.47 (64 bit).  Build identifier: 20161201025712
No matter what search engine is selected or moved to the "top"
duckduck takes over.


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1265881#c6

"Workaround: set engine in Sidebar->Search and do a search.
Default engine is updated to this name."



Thanks.  Don't normally use Sidebar.  Did notice that whatever I change it to in
the Sidebar, it remains DuckDuck in the Edit/Preferences/Browser/Internet 
Search box


That must be a Windows problem.


No. Same problem in Linux.


 With Mac SeaMonkey, I can use whichever
search engine I want if it is installed in my searchbar.


We're talking about search in URL bar.

If I search in my URL bar, I get whatever engine is selected in the 
searchbar.


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Re: New 2.46 Windows release candidates

[EE]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/8/2016 10:57 AM, EE wrote:



Is there ever going to be a new candidate for Mac OS? The current
candidate dated Oct. 5 caused a problem with a website I visit frequently.



Stick with the existing, official, end-user version 2.40.  Anything
beyond that is either still in development or else some individual's own
hack.

The Tinderbox builds and Kalla's build work fine.  It is just the 
candidate that had a problem.


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Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

[Richmond]

Ray_Net  writes:

> Richmond wrote on 09-12-16 11:03:
>> "David E. Ross"  writes:
>>
>>> I assert that it is the sender's reponsibility to ensure that sent
>>> messages can be correctly viewed by the intended recipients.  This is
>> But while we are waiting for the ideal world, we have to be
>> pragmatic. Senders with MS Office don't know what they are doing
>> typically.
> When I was at work, everybody uses Microsoft Outlook and everyboy uses
> Wingdings to make a smiley.  We did not know that outside our
> intranet, that this "picture" is not shown correctly.  Now, with my
> windows10 machine, I use SM, but If I use Outlook, I think that the
> wingdings smiley will render correctly.  So it looks, that the problem
> is an SM problem; because Outlook can render the wingdings smiley
> which is present on my computer (I have this font available)

I am not sure what you are saying. Is it that SM can display Wingdings
on Windows 10? I believe the problem is that Wingdings is a Microsoft
font which is not distributed with Linux. (Maybe because of licenses).
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Re: New 2.46 Windows release candidates

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

If a release candidate works it will not be much different from the 
official build. Just back up your profile and try it out. 2.46 is miles 
ahead of 2.40. Any errors you see in a candidate will be in the final 
build and the sooner they are reported the sooner they are fixed.


FRG


David E. Ross wrote:

Stick with the existing, official, end-user version 2.40.  Anything
beyond that is either still in development or else some individual's own
hack.


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Re: SM update status...

[Mason83]

On 09/12/2016 15:31, David H. Durgee wrote:
> Mason83 wrote:
>
>> One thing to watch out for is when Ubuntuzilla eventually
>> puts out a new release. This is likely to overwrite your
>> "custom" SM package. I don't have a good solution for that.
> 
> Interesting you should mention that.  When I switched focus to SeaMonkey 
> this morning I got a notice to the effect that there was an update 
> available but I could not apply it.  Checking at Adrian's site I see a 
> new build available.  Guess I need to do the whole thing again to update.

I think Adrian rebuilds every week or two. It's not necessarily
urgent to upgrade immediately. (The warning was written with an
official release channel in mind.)

I'm not surprised you can't upgrade within SM, because you untarred
as root, but run as regular user. So SM doesn't have permission to
trash its installation folder.

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Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

[Ray_Net]

Richmond wrote on 09-12-16 11:03:

"David E. Ross"  writes:


I assert that it is the sender's reponsibility to ensure that sent
messages can be correctly viewed by the intended recipients.  This is

But while we are waiting for the ideal world, we have to be
pragmatic. Senders with MS Office don't know what they are doing
typically.
When I was at work, everybody uses Microsoft Outlook and everyboy uses 
Wingdings to make a smiley.
We did not know that outside our intranet, that this "picture" is not 
shown correctly.
Now, with my windows10 machine, I use SM, but If I use Outlook, I think 
that the wingdings smiley will render correctly.
So it looks, that the problem is an SM problem; because Outlook can 
render the wingdings smiley which is present on my computer (I have this 
font available)

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Re: SM update status...

[David H. Durgee]

Mason83 wrote:

On 09/12/2016 02:17, David H. Durgee wrote:

Mason83 wrote:

On 07/12/2016 23:12, David H. Durgee wrote:

Mason83 wrote:

On 06/12/2016 15:01, David H. Durgee wrote:


I am currently running 2.40 x64 on linux mint x64 installed from the
ubuntuzilla repository.  I have a local repository set up on my system
and could install your unofficial build from a .deb by adding it there
and using the update tools.  Looking at your directory noted above I see
no .deb available.

I am not sufficiently versed in this area to work with your build as it
stands in this directory.  Can you prepare a .deb as well to stand in
for that which will be available via ubuntuzilla once an official build
is available?  If not, is there someone else who can do so?  I am sure I
am not the only one who would welcome a version that could be installed
in this manner.


A compressed archive (tgz) is more general than a deb package.
Just uncompress the archive to e.g. /opt and run from there.
(uncompress as root, but run as you)



I don't see a .tgz file in Adrian's server, but I do see a .tar.bz2 file
which I downloaded to inspect from the *release-linux64 directory.

Looking at the contents of the .tar.bz2 and comparing it with
/opt/seamonkey does show a good correspondence of files with a few
missing or added files.  Checking the Synaptic package manager shows
that in addition to the /opt/seamonkey directory there are a few other
files:

/usr/bin/seamonkey
/usr/share/applications/seamonkey-mozilla-build.desktop
/usr/share/pixmaps/seamonkey-mozilla-build.png

The first of these is a link to the executable, so I assume I would
likely need to recreate this if I were to install the unofficial version
over 2.40 here.  The other two files define the desktop interface and I
would expect them to continue without problems.

Thank you for your suggestion.  I am going to consider this option.


What I did was
1) rename /opt/seamonkey to /opt/seamonkey-2.40
(to keep a backup in case of trouble)
2) uncompress Adrian's tarball to /opt => creates /opt/seamonkey

That way, all the desktop gizmos you mention point
to the new version, and still work.


I followed your example and am now running 2.47 here.  This appears to
be working properly, but I have only been using it for a few hours at
this point.  Thank you for your guidance in this area.


Always glad to assist a fellow Linux user ;-)

One thing to watch out for is when Ubuntuzilla eventually
puts out a new release. This is likely to overwrite your
"custom" SM package. I don't have a good solution for that.



Interesting you should mention that.  When I switched focus to SeaMonkey 
this morning I got a notice to the effect that there was an update 
available but I could not apply it.  Checking at Adrian's site I see a 
new build available.  Guess I need to do the whole thing again to update.


Dave

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Re: New 2.46 Windows release candidates

[Daniel]

On 9/12/2016 6:37 AM, Mason83 wrote:

On 08/12/2016 13:09, TCW wrote:

On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 18:14:55 +0800, Edmund Wong wrote:


Hi,

Fwiw.. please *do* note that those 2.46 candidate builds are just
test builds.  While it does have the sec fix, it isn't the official
candidate until I start spinning build 7.

Edmund


Finger crossed.


How does one cross a single finger? ;-)


Probably much the same way as I can clap with one hand!!

(Cross-posted to, and Follow-up set to, moz.gen!!)

--
Daniel

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

[Richmond]

Ant  writes:

> Thanks, but it didn't work for me. I tried
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/smiley-fixer/versions/ and
> force an install with its reboot. It didn't work. :( Did it work for anyone
> else in SM v2.40?

It seems to work for me with Aurora, I have not yet tried 2.40. I did
not need to "force" an install. I downloaded the xpi file, and then I
went into addons, clicked the gear wheel icon, and selected "install
from file" and selected the xpi.

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Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

[Richmond]

"David E. Ross"  writes:

>
> I assert that it is the sender's reponsibility to ensure that sent
> messages can be correctly viewed by the intended recipients.  This is

But while we are waiting for the ideal world, we have to be
pragmatic. Senders with MS Office don't know what they are doing
typically.
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Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

[Richmond]

Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@xn--kba.invalid> writes:

> You must set the font for the J or L to be Wingdings, which means the
> message may need to be HTML.
> My SM doesn't let me select Wingdings in the HTML compose window. 
> But I can insert the required HTML code using "Insert >> HTML...".
>
> HTML code J at the end of this line: J
> HTML code L at the end of this line: L
>
> If the add-on works, you should see the same above as you do at the
> end of these two lines:
>
> HTML code  at the end of this
> line: 
> HTML code  at the end of this
> line: 

Well that worked. And it converted the smiley face so I got something
like:

:) at the end of this line: J
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Re: no plugins with current SM version

[Mason83]

On 09/12/2016 08:21, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> Plugin support is discontined in Gecko / Firefox 52 which is the base of 
> SeaMonkey. This was alrweady the case with 64 bit Windows versions for 
> some time. Only Flash will work. All other plugings will no longer work. 
> Nothing we / SeaMonkey devs can do about it.
> 
> Binary Add-ons will stop working in SeaMonkey 2.50.
> 
> Only normal add-ons will be supported at least until the end of 2017.

References:

https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2015/10/08/npapi-plugins-in-firefox/
https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/
https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2016/plug-in-support-has-been-dropped-other-than-flash/

(npapi-eol) Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269807

Regards.

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