Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[Felix Miata]

Ray_Net composed on 2017-04-18 18:12 (UTC+0200):

> Danny Kile wrote:

>> I override my UA with:
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0

>> This resolved the problem thank you to all that replied. To whom did 
>> you file the complaint with? URL or address would be great.

> Therefore SM must use this UA as the default one - THEN WE NEVER 
> ENCOUNTER PROBLEMS !

OK only for those who don't care that discovery of stupid sniffing is
effectively disabled by including Firefox in the UA string and thus is unlikely
to be reported to anyone who might do anything to correct it.
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Re: SM 2.46 eMail Loss

[Ben U]

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 9:52:02 AM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
> On 18/04/2017 8:47 PM, ben u wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 24, 2016 at 7:09:38 AM UTC-6, SamuelS wrote:
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> I updated to 2.46 from 2.40 on my Laptop using Win Business Vista 2, I
> >> Am not able to retrieve/see over 18 months of email for only one account.
> >>
> >> I have reverted to SM 2.40 and still not able to find the messages...
> >>
> >> Is this lost forever?
> >>
> >> TIA - bo1953
> >>
> >> ---
> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >
> > Hi everybody, I have been using SM 2.46 without problem until I updated 
> > Windows yesterday. I run several email addresses and two of them do not 
> > show the Inbox contents, no new nor old, but show all the other aspects 
> > such as Sent, Junk, etc. There is also no response at all when I click "Get 
> > Messages". I have followed this thread in detail but nothing works. I can 
> > see the Inbox file, using Word even the contents which are encrypted I 
> > believe.
> >
> Could I make a suggestion out of left wing? .
> 
> Have you possible picked up an e-mail which contained a virus along the 
> way??
> 
> A couple of times I have, and then my anti-virus (AVG Free) has picked 
> up that virus and isolated my Inbox in its Vault thingee. I had to go 
> into AVG and reclaim my Inbox, then delete my Trash, Compact the files 
> and re-scan for virus', just to be safe!
> 
> HTH
> 
> -- 
> Daniel
> 
> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
> SeaMonkey/2.46 Build identifier: 20161213183751

Good alternative thinking. Thanks. Sadly, that is not it.
I am going to try putting the profile onto another computer. Also to install 
the new beta SM on another computer and use the profile.
I am guessing it is the msi corrupted but I have no expertise to edit that at 
this time. It definitely was good before the MS updates install and reboot of 
my Windows 7 machine.
My Windows 10 computer just installed new updates but no issues with it. Don't 
know if people know that the hacker group ShadowBrokers released some stolen 
CIA hacking tools and MS engineered a bunch of fixes (not all of them though) 
and is releasing them

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 9:52:02 AM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
> On 18/04/2017 8:47 PM, Ben U wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 24, 2016 at 7:09:38 AM UTC-6, SamuelS wrote:
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> I updated to 2.46 from 2.40 on my Laptop using Win Business Vista 2, I
> >> Am not able to retrieve/see over 18 months of email for only one account.
> >>
> >> I have reverted to SM 2.40 and still not able to find the messages...
> >>
> >> Is this lost forever?
> >>
> >> TIA - bo1953
> >>
> >> ---
> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >
> > Hi everybody, I have been using SM 2.46 without problem until I updated 
> > Windows yesterday. I run several email addresses and two of them do not 
> > show the Inbox contents, no new nor old, but show all the other aspects 
> > such as Sent, Junk, etc. There is also no response at all when I click "Get 
> > Messages". I have followed this thread in detail but nothing works. I can 
> > see the Inbox file, using Word even the contents which are encrypted I 
> > believe.
> >
> Could I make a suggestion out of left wing? .
> 
> Have you possible picked up an e-mail which contained a virus along the 
> way??
> 
> A couple of times I have, and then my anti-virus (AVG Free) has picked 
> up that virus and isolated my Inbox in its Vault thingee. I had to go 
> into AVG and reclaim my Inbox, then delete my Trash, Compact the files 
> and re-scan for virus', just to be safe!
> 
> HTH
> 
> -- 
> Daniel
> 
> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
> SeaMonkey/2.46 Build identifier: 20161213183751

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.48 Beta 1 has been released

[WaltS48]

On 4/18/17 5:48 PM, EE wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:


The storage backend also changes constantly now and if you go back
without restoring you see indexDB errors in the log. Did I mention the
image permisions change for TB and SM in 52+ yet? :) And every release
breaks more and more add-ons because of removals in Gecko and JS
deprecation and so on.


Are all these addons broken or simply removed from the Mozilla Addons 
site?  I have seen several extensions removed even though they still 
work.  Maybe they do not work in Firefox?




Well, uBlock Origin broke in Firefox Nightly 55.0a1. Users had to 
install a Development Version.


The about:config Buttons extension no longer works in Firefox Nightly or 
Thunderbird Daily.


I'll be happy to test them in a SeaMonkey 2.49 beta when it becomes 
available. I think they will continue to work. They do in Firefox 52.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.48 Beta 1 has been released

[EE]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:


The storage backend also changes constantly now and if you go back
without restoring you see indexDB errors in the log. Did I mention the
image permisions change for TB and SM in 52+ yet? :) And every release
breaks more and more add-ons because of removals in Gecko and JS
deprecation and so on.


Are all these addons broken or simply removed from the Mozilla Addons 
site?  I have seen several extensions removed even though they still 
work.  Maybe they do not work in Firefox?


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.48 Beta 1 has been released

[Steve Wendt]

On 4/18/2017 6:47 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:


Doesn't look like it but it took a few hours to do the patch for the
website and I looked forward to do something else during the weekend
(among them to fix a few bugs in the source code). Non-native English
speaker so making sure that not too many typos are in it was a bonus
that took time too :)


Clarity of writing is not always simple; thus far, the results show you 
care about your efforts, so thank you.  :)

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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[Dirk Munk]

Ray_Net wrote:

Danny Kile wrote on 18-04-17 17:37:

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Google is doing incorrect user agent sniffing. If you user prefbar or
another user agent switcher and change the user agent to a plain
Firefox one for google it works. Please complain to them.
FRG


That was it - thanks. UA override added, complaint filed.  -JW


I override my UA with:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0

This resolved the problem thank you to all that replied. To whom did 
you file the complaint with? URL or address would be great.


Thank you
Therefore SM must use this UA as the default one - THEN WE NEVER 
ENCOUNTER PROBLEMS !


Yes, I think you're right. As far as I'm aware, user agent sniffing is 
wrong. There should be other ways to establish the capabilities of a 
browser. If user agent sniffing is done, then in case of Mozilla 
browsers the sniffing should be done for the Gecko engine, not for 
Firefox or SeaMonkey or other Gecko based browsers.

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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[Ray_Net]

Danny Kile wrote on 18-04-17 17:37:

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Google is doing incorrect user agent sniffing. If you user prefbar or
another user agent switcher and change the user agent to a plain
Firefox one for google it works. Please complain to them.
FRG


That was it - thanks. UA override added, complaint filed.  -JW


I override my UA with:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0

This resolved the problem thank you to all that replied. To whom did 
you file the complaint with? URL or address would be great.


Thank you
Therefore SM must use this UA as the default one - THEN WE NEVER 
ENCOUNTER PROBLEMS !

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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[Danny Kile]

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Google is doing incorrect user agent sniffing. If you user prefbar or
another user agent switcher and change the user agent to a plain
Firefox one for google it works. Please complain to them.
FRG


That was it - thanks. UA override added, complaint filed.  -JW


I override my UA with:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0

This resolved the problem thank you to all that replied. To whom did you 
file the complaint with? URL or address would be great.


Thank you!
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Re: SM 2.46 eMail Loss

[Daniel]

On 18/04/2017 8:47 PM, benu...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, December 24, 2016 at 7:09:38 AM UTC-6, SamuelS wrote:

Hello all,

I updated to 2.46 from 2.40 on my Laptop using Win Business Vista 2, I
Am not able to retrieve/see over 18 months of email for only one account.

I have reverted to SM 2.40 and still not able to find the messages...

Is this lost forever?

TIA - bo1953

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


Hi everybody, I have been using SM 2.46 without problem until I updated Windows 
yesterday. I run several email addresses and two of them do not show the Inbox contents, 
no new nor old, but show all the other aspects such as Sent, Junk, etc. There is also no 
response at all when I click "Get Messages". I have followed this thread in 
detail but nothing works. I can see the Inbox file, using Word even the contents which 
are encrypted I believe.


Could I make a suggestion out of left wing? .

Have you possible picked up an e-mail which contained a virus along the 
way??


A couple of times I have, and then my anti-virus (AVG Free) has picked 
up that virus and isolated my Inbox in its Vault thingee. I had to go 
into AVG and reclaim my Inbox, then delete my Trash, Compact the files 
and re-scan for virus', just to be safe!


HTH

--
Daniel

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.46 Build identifier: 20161213183751

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.48 Beta 1 has been released

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Yeaah you are right. Did only change some words in the paragraph to finish it. 
Will see that it reflects reality better in the final 2.48 release notes.


Doesn't look like it but it took a few hours to do the patch for the website 
and I looked forward to do something else during the weekend (among them to 
fix a few bugs in the source code). Non-native English speaker so making sure 
that not too many typos are in it was a bonus that took time too :)


FRG

Steve Wendt wrote:


In this case, one small suggestion - at first glance, it looks like it's the 
same data loss warning that has been there forever (I just noticed the version 
bump, and assumed it was accidental).  Perhaps more words to the effect of 
this post (constant changes in Core break all our $#!+) would help make it 
clear the warning is constantly relevant?


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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[J. Weaver Jr.]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
Google is doing incorrect user agent sniffing. If you user prefbar or 
another user agent switcher and change the user agent to a plain Firefox 
one for google it works. Please complain to them.

FRG


That was it - thanks. UA override added, complaint filed.  -JW
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Re: SM 2.46 eMail Loss

[benuone]

On Saturday, December 24, 2016 at 7:09:38 AM UTC-6, SamuelS wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I updated to 2.46 from 2.40 on my Laptop using Win Business Vista 2, I 
> Am not able to retrieve/see over 18 months of email for only one account.
> 
> I have reverted to SM 2.40 and still not able to find the messages...
> 
> Is this lost forever?
> 
> TIA - bo1953
> 
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi everybody, I have been using SM 2.46 without problem until I updated Windows 
yesterday. I run several email addresses and two of them do not show the Inbox 
contents, no new nor old, but show all the other aspects such as Sent, Junk, 
etc. There is also no response at all when I click "Get Messages". I have 
followed this thread in detail but nothing works. I can see the Inbox file, 
using Word even the contents which are encrypted I believe.
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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[Felix Miata]

Frank-Rainer Grahl composed on 2017-04-18 10:00 (UTC+0200):


The Mozilla organization as a whole gives a rats a** about SeaMonkey.

True.


They are only interested in Firefox at this point in time.
False. Bugzilla, Rust, Cloud, MarketPlace, Page-Shot and other resource thieves 
also have interest. :-(


At the SeaMonkey 1.0 point in time, Firefox already was (virtually) its only 
interest.



Thankfully a look of great
individuals still work there and help out.


True. :-D
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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

The Mozilla organization as a whole gives a rats a** about SeaMonkey. They are 
only interested in Firefox at this point in time. Thankfully a look of great 
individuals still work there and help out.


FRG

Dirk Munk wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
Google is doing incorrect user agent sniffing. If you user prefbar or 
another user agent switcher and change the user agent to a plain Firefox one 
for google it works. Please complain to them.

FRG


I get your point, but shouldn't it be the responsibility of the Mozilla 
organization to explain to Google and others that they have to look for the 
Gecko information in the user agent? If I'm not mistaken there are about a 
dozen browsers build around the same Gecko engine, including SeaMonkey of course.




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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[Dirk Munk]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
Google is doing incorrect user agent sniffing. If you user prefbar or 
another user agent switcher and change the user agent to a plain 
Firefox one for google it works. Please complain to them.

FRG


I get your point, but shouldn't it be the responsibility of the Mozilla 
organization to explain to Google and others that they have to look for 
the Gecko information in the user agent? If I'm not mistaken there are 
about a dozen browsers build around the same Gecko engine, including 
SeaMonkey of course.





J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:
I need help getting SeaMonkey to work correctly. Doing a Google 
search such as this link:


https://www.google.com/#q=restaurants+orlando+near+orlando

When I get the search results it displays a small map and several 
search results locations clicking on any of the results or the small 
map take me to another page that is nothing but a blank page and 
nothing else.


When using IE and going to the same link it get a large map with all 
the locations displayed on the map. Please help me get SeaMonkey to 
work correctly.


Thank you in advance!


Same behavior here using 2.49. Viewing the "blank page" in IE works 
perfectly.  -JW




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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:


Google is doing incorrect user agent sniffing. If you use prefbar
or another user agent switcher and change the user agent to a plain
Firefox one for google it works. Please complain to them. FRG


Broken here with 2.46 as the OP described. Unchecking "Advertise Firefox 
compatibility" fixes it.


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