Re: "SeaMonkey v2.46 wants to update your plug-in" ???

[NFN Smith]

null wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 7/6/2017 4:11 PM, no...@nonospam.org wrote:

I'm running SeaMonkey v2.46 on a Windows 10 Pro 64 bit system with the
Creators Update version 1703 installed.

This morning when I started SeaMonkey, it opened several tabs. Each one
said something like "SeaMonkey v2.46 would like to update your  plug-in. Each of these mentioned a different plug-in.

 >>John

First of all, PrefBar is an extension, not a plugin.  There are
significant differences between the two.  The Mozilla developers did a
serious disservice to users when they decided to lump the two together
under the term "add-on".

I was interested in your above comment because I too have always been 
rather confused about the difference between an extension and a plugin, 
and I'm still unclear!


Would be great if you could post some clarification of this - I'm sure 
there would be others who would also find it helpful.


Answering in context...

A plug-in is an external program, which is normally installed via normal 
O/S installation processes, and makes itself available to Seamonkey or 
other browsers. And since it's an external program, it runs apart from 
the browser, even if the browser provides the UI.  Somewhere in the last 
couple of weeks (perhaps in the Firefox support group), I saw a 
discussion that noted that if a plugin crashes, it won't bring down the 
browser.


Adobe Flash is a plugin (and in the Add-ons section, it calls itself 
"Shockwave Flash", even if Shockwave is a different tool (and also a 
plugin). Java (i.e., JRE) is also a plug-in (and not to be confused with 
the unrelated JavaScript).  Although the visibility of Java is 
considerably less than it was a couple of years ago, it's still out 
there, and still a productive tool.  It's just that you don't want to 
expose Java applications to the Internet through your browser.


The primary weakness of plug-ins is that there's no easy way of 
authenticating whether code is legitimate or malicious, and both Flash 
and Java have history of being vectors for malware (e.g., drive-by 
downloads).  Thus, developers are moving away from doing things by 
plug-in. In particular, Firefox now has deprecated access to all plugins 
except for Flash, and they'll be doing that to Flash by the end of the 
year.


I'm currently a contributed build of Seamonkey 2.50, and I see that 
there are no plugins visible in the AddOns manager (I quit running Flash 
some time ago), although I think that's a development that may be more 
recent than the official distribution of 2.46.  In the past, my habit 
has been to set permissions on a couple of plugins (such as Flash) to 
request permission before executing, and explicitly setting others to 
access that is permanently denied.  I'm working from memory, but I know 
that Citrix (via tools like GoToMeeting or GoToWebinar) provide 
plug-ins, and even Microsoft Office provides plugins. For me, since I 
have no felt need for access for those tools in my browser (even if I 
make other use of them), it's easy deny access to everything.


Extensions are code that connect to your browser, and in the current 
Mozilla architecture, normally distributed as .XPI files. The general 
purpose of extensions is to extend the capacity of the browser (or in 
Seamonkey's case, the mail client, as well), where the developers are 
not part of the core development group, and in ways that are much more 
finely tuned to user preferences.  By the original Mozilla development 
philosophy of "light and fast", if users want more capacity in certain 
areas, the better way of doing that is to do it through extension, and 
let individuals who what that capacity to install the extension 
themselves, without burdening all users with a lightly-used feature. 
The vast majority of extensions are distributed through 
addons.mozilla.org, and dating from a couple of years ago, all 
extensions there are digitally signed. I don't know if Mozilla has had 
much in the way of problems, but I know that Google had problems with 
their extensions system, of extensions projects that have been 
abandoned, and then where malware writers take over the projects.


The other thing about extensions to be aware of is that Mozilla is in 
the process of changing the API used from XUL to using the WebExtensions 
API used by Google Chrome.  Stuff done with WebExtensions will be 
interchangeable with Chrome, but a lot of Mozilla extensions are done by 
small developers (and a long-time evolution) and where they simply don't 
have the capacity of re-coding their work for WebExtensions. So far, 
both Seamonkey and Thunderbird are continuing to use the old API, but 
some extension writers who have extensions that will run on either 
Firefox or Seamonkey have announced that they're abandoning their work. 
Thus, depending on the extension, you may find that extensions that work 
well in Seamonkey get abandoned.


For PrefBar (and I'm an enthusiastic user), I haven't yet seen 

Re: Language pack 2.49.1 not working

[David E. Ross]

On 7/9/2017 11:10 AM, EE wrote:
> Why does Adrian Kalla's en-GB 2.49.1 language pack not work with his 
> 2.49.1 build of SeaMonkey?  I installed it but it does nothing.  I even 
> tried disabling all the other add-ons before installing, but that made 
> no difference.
> 

Did you try installing the en-GB localization of SeaMonkey 2.49.1?

Please note that any 2.49.1 version is unofficial and might be buggy.

-- 
David Ross


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Re: IMAP email

[EE]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 7/7/17 2:03 PM, EE wrote:

Daniel wrote:

On 5/07/2017 9:45 AM, EE wrote:

EE wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

EE wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

EE wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


In the Server Settings, does your ISP require your full email
address (nu...@bees.wax) or only the prefix (nunya) as your
username? Getting that wrong could cause authentication to fail.
Compare what you did in TB.


I actually compared the two setups in about:config, and made sure
that they were alike. It did not help. Since Thunderbird works, I
can just use that, and also webmail (to get rid of the trash).


OK, next question: In the Server Settings, does it say "Server 
Type:

POP
Mail Server"? Or did you choose IMAP during the setup process?


I chose IMAP.  Maybe the next version of SeaMonkey will work better.



It's not SeaMonkey. IMAP works with SeaMonkey. I may float an idea 
that
maybe the server requires some kind of "register device" as Google 
does?

Have noticed that when folks bungle the setup at the start that
sometimes you have to clear the account before it will successfully
work. Try a temporary new profile.


What is a "register device"?  Why did the setup work with Thunderbird
and not with SeaMonkey if such a thing is needed?  I am not too
concerned about its security since I read everything as plain text.

I just tried a newer version of SeaMonkey with a fresh profile.  I 
could

still not add a new IMAP account to it.  I give up.  I shall just use
Thunderbird or webmail.

EE, was it that you were not able to add any sort of new e-mail 
account or that you couldn't add an IMAP account??


Daniel

I added the account, but I was repeatedly told that I had to input a 
password, after putting in the password.




And telling SeaMonkey to save the password?


Yes, I did that too.

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Language pack 2.49.1 not working

[EE]

Why does Adrian Kalla's en-GB 2.49.1 language pack not work with his 
2.49.1 build of SeaMonkey?  I installed it but it does nothing.  I even 
tried disabling all the other add-ons before installing, but that made 
no difference.

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Re: Wrong date & time format in mail & news messages

[Dirk Munk]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Richmond wrote:

Ray_Net  writes:


Only for US to GB ... the regional setting is respected.


I don't know whether you are still talking about Seamonkey, but I have
seen the regional setting ignored for me, here, in the UK. I was using a
later version though than I am now. I am now on 2.49.1.


2.49.1 is not affected. Any higher version is. Same for Thunderbird 52.

FRG


It seems this bug is going to be resolved by getting the regional 
settings that are actually in use by the OS.

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Re: Is it possible to make SM delete the local profiles folder at startup?

[Dirk Munk]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

> I suppose it can't be too difficult to do this.
Probably not but don't forget that SeaMonkey is more or less a 
frontend. So this would need to be done very early during startup when 
the profile is selected but not loaded. I don't think it can be done 
safely in SeaMonkey code so this needs to be implemented in core code 
owned by Mozilla. Also only for Windows. If you want it raise a bug 
against core. If it gets implemented we would just need a ui for it.

FRG


On the Bugzilla homepage for Firefox, you can make suggestions for 
improvements of Firefox etc. Since this is not really a bug I suppose, 
I've made my request there.





Dirk Munk wrote:
A while back someone was experiencing some problems with SM. He was 
given the advice to delete the *local* (*not* the roaming!) profiles 
directory.


I've done that too on many occasions, and this indeed solves many 
problems. So much so, that I wish it would be a standard feature of 
SM to delete the local profiles folder at startup, before creating a 
new one. I don't mind if if there would be a switch to enable or 
disable this feature.


I suppose it can't be too difficult to do this.




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Re: Question about Active versus non-active Tabs

[Daniel]

On 9/07/2017 3:50 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I am using SM 2.46 right now. I just lately installed it on my
wife's desktop. We both are using Windows 7 Pro. I do not know why,
but on my computer, when there are multiple Tabs, the Tab in use at
the moment is light colored. In Pref's, appearance, colors, active
is set to Red.


That affects the default colour of links within web pages, if the page's
style doesn't specify otherwise.


On my wife's computer, all the (Multiple) tabs in use are ALL the
same color, which makes it difficult to tell which tab you are in
at any moment. Underline links is checked.


Again, that option is related to links within web pages.


I have looked in preferences to see why my Tabs act that way in
order to fix my wife's system.

Is this current tab thing a SM thing or a Windows 7 thing ?

Can someone tell me what to toggle in SM (or Windows 7) to make
the current Tab (when there are multiple tabs) different (light,
colored, something to identify it) ?


This is what I am talking about - if I can show images herethat
is.
[img]https://s19.postimg.org/v5v708f6r/Sea_Monkey_with_Tabs.jpg[/img]


It looks like you're using a theme other than the default, and the
highlighting might be part of that theme. Make sure your wife's profile
is using the same theme, selected at Tools > Add-ons Manager > Appearance.

Otherwise, as others have mentioned, it may be that you've customised
the userChrome.css file in your profile to get this effect.

Mark, did you mean that DB should compare Theme settings at View->Apply 
Theme??


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Daniel

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.48 Build identifier: 20170329183526

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Re: Following references in email

[Stanimir Stamenkov via support-seamonkey]

Sat, 08 Jul 2017 16:58:00 +0100, /Richmond/:

Stanimir Stamenkov  writes:


It's a pseudo folder, or probably better stated everything else than "All
Mail" is a pseudo folder.


Is that created by Gmail?


Yes.


If you're using threaded view (View -> Sort by -> Threaded) you should be
generally able to use B (Go -> Previous -> Message).  To ensure going to the
previous of the exact branch of the thread – Tab (most likely Shift+Tab) your
way to the thread pane, then press <- (Left Arrow).


Previous message isn't quite right because the previous message may be
in a different sub thread. (Actually I have noticed it is displayed as B
on the menu, but B doesn't work, it has to be lower case b).


Yes, previous message is not always what you want, that's why I've 
suggested the <- (Left-Arrow) trick to go to the exact parent message. 
Unfortunately it might also require tabbing to the thread pane, first.


BTW, B as the key (vs. the letter) works for me whether I'm in Caps-Lock 
mode, or not.  In contrast Shift+B doesn't work for me in any Caps-Lock 
state.



... You might consider filling an enhancement request for this.


I can't see anything being enhanced in the near future...


Eh, let's see.

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