Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
On 6/18/2018 7:01 PM, Ray Davison wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 6/18/18 5:51 PM, Ray Davison wrote: My main point is, if you separate app, profile and mail, you can break one without effecting the others. I have had a lot of profiles break. I just fix it, get a backup, make a new one,,,. Isn't the profile already separated from the app? If I uninstall SeaMonkey, then decide to install it again, the data is still there. I'm also curious as to how you separate mail from a profile, without using another profile, which is still accessed by the app. Are you saying the Mail folder isn't in any profile? If you make a copy of the profile, and put it anywhere you want, with any name you want, and add the -Profilemanager switch the shortcut, and create a profile, which is actually the copy you made and named, you will now be using a profile that is not part of the app tree. But most importantly is something, somewhere you control. The profile does not contain the mail, it contains a pointer to the mail. The default points to a location very near. You can move the mail to somewhere very far away. I have all apps on partition H:. I have all profiles in a one sub-directory on I:, and mail in another sub-directory on I:. Okay -- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 AMD A8-7410 APU with AMD Radeon R5 Graphics 2.20 GHz 6.00 GB RAM Windows 10 Home 1803 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
WaltS48 wrote: On 6/18/18 5:51 PM, Ray Davison wrote: My main point is, if you separate app, profile and mail, you can break one without effecting the others. I have had a lot of profiles break. I just fix it, get a backup, make a new one,,,. Isn't the profile already separated from the app? If I uninstall SeaMonkey, then decide to install it again, the data is still there. I'm also curious as to how you separate mail from a profile, without using another profile, which is still accessed by the app. Are you saying the Mail folder isn't in any profile? If you make a copy of the profile, and put it anywhere you want, with any name you want, and add the -Profilemanager switch the shortcut, and create a profile, which is actually the copy you made and named, you will now be using a profile that is not part of the app tree. But most importantly is something, somewhere you control. The profile does not contain the mail, it contains a pointer to the mail. The default points to a location very near. You can move the mail to somewhere very far away. I have all apps on partition H:. I have all profiles in a one sub-directory on I:, and mail in another sub-directory on I:. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
On 6/18/18 5:51 PM, Ray Davison wrote: My main point is, if you separate app, profile and mail, you can break one without effecting the others. I have had a lot of profiles break. I just fix it, get a backup, make a new one,,,. Isn't the profile already separated from the app? If I uninstall SeaMonkey, then decide to install it again, the data is still there. I'm also curious as to how you separate mail from a profile, without using another profile, which is still accessed by the app. Are you saying the Mail folder isn't in any profile? -- CPU: 3.2 Ghz AMD Athlon(tm) II X3 455 Processor RAM: 8 GiB Graphics: GeForce GT 630/PCIe/SSE2 OS: Ubuntu Linux 16.04LTS - Unity Desktop ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: EBAY support?
Original Message On 18/06/2018 18:55, meagain wrote: "As of June 26, 2018 you will no longer be able to check out on eBay with your current browser. " What do I do about this, pray tell? Option 1: Nothing. Wait and see what shakes loose. Option 2: Lie about your UA. Regards. Are you sure they're not terrorists? They say they "detected" my browser!-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Ray Davison wrote: My main point is, if you separate app, profile and mail, you can break one without effecting the others. I have had a lot of profiles break. I just fix it, get a backup, make a new one,,, and I haven't lost any data. In case someone doubts hat this system works, below is the body of the first email I received. I still have it. My mail has never been lost. This is cut and paste so it is not the original formatting. * First email 2 June 1997 M A R C _ A N D R E E S S E N Welcome and thank you! Netscape Communicator is the result of innovation, hard work, and your input. It represents our commitment to making it easier for you to access, communicate, and share information, no matter what kind of computer you have. One of my favorite examples of this is Netscape Messenger, an advanced Internet mail client that brings the richness of the Web to your email. At Netscape, we use Web-based mail to work smarter and faster. For example, our Human Resources department emails a benefit enrollment form to all new employees. Employees then submit the form via our intranet, eliminating the paper chase. Check out a similar email form in your Samples message folder. Another way you can take advantage of Messenger's rich Web-based email is with In-Box Direct. This free service lets you choose brand-name content from more than 80 providers. The content ranges from business news to sports scores, from travel specials to gardening tips, and it's delivered automatically to your email in-box. Messenger can help you communicate more effectively: add impact to your messages with fonts, colors, bulleted lists, and tables spell check your messages manage mail with filters and folders read and reply to mail and Internet discussion groups while off-line drop and drag images from Web pages If you're interested in learning more about Messenger and how you can use it as part of your messaging solution, please click here. Thanks for choosing Netscape! Marc Marc Andreessen Senior VP Technology, CTO Netscape Communications ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Felix Miata wrote: Ray Davison composed on 2018-06-16 19:26 (UTC-0700): I treat the app, the profile and email as three separate things. Each is in it's own tree, not connected to the others, but the app points to the profile and the profile points to the mail. Each then is individually controlled. My mail files began life in Netscape, and have never been "lost". Impressive history, similar to mine. I currently have 25 directories in the directory hosting all my profiles. If you keep pressing it long enough, eventually a demon from Firefox devolution will slither in with insufficient warning and bite you. There was a rather recent change (post-2.46 IIRC) in some file format somewhere in each profile that would make going back to some not too old version require restoration of at least one file from backup, or worse. Better to only move up, not back, unless your backup system is well maintained, or you know exactly which file(s) are impacted and proceed accordingly. I fully expect to get bit by such things. But to repeat my response to another post here; My main point is, if you separate app, profile and mail, you can break one without effecting the others. I have had a lot of profiles break. I just fix it, get a backup, make a new one,,, and I haven't lost any data. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: It is quite simple. Sharing profiles with different versions is not supported. The migration code ones knows one way and this is up from lower to higher version. Especially the storage format changes frequently. Check you error console for errors during startup. There are always a few but in case of an older SeaMonkey and newer profile this can result in funky errors. Same for some other options in recent versions. We needed to do bunch of SeaMonkey specific migrations e.g. email image whitelisting in 2.49. Sharing between different OS is also completely unsupported. If it works then fine but some things like Lightning won't. Sure unzipping and running the exe is fine if you don't need accessibility or send mail from external applications under Windows (MAPI). In short: Unless you have very specific needs stay with one version and just backup the profile before upgrading so that you can go back without problems. FRG First, as far as "support", apps are tools. You get a tool and do with it whatever you can. And you might break it. So you then get another or a different one. My main point is, if you separate app, profile and mail, you can break one without effecting the others. I have had a lot of profiles break. I just fix it, get a backup, make a new one,,,. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: There are times when different versions do matter for the profile. For example, there was a time a while back (early in 2.x) I did acknowledge the 1X to 2X change replied to. And, my profiles - of which I have several - are not vulnerable to app changes because they are not part of the app. And the mail files - of which I have well over a hundred - are not vulnerable to profile changes because they are not part of the profile. How'd you manage that? AFAIK mail files are stored in the profile folder. I have about 5 GB of them, and they're all in my profile folder. Most people treat a computer like a washing machine; turn it on, do what is obvious. That is, they stick with the defaults, which you have done. Be brave, poke at it a bit. I did my current setup in early Netscape. No one showed me anything, I just poked around "under the covers". I have explained it here several times. Once you get the profile out of the app, and the mail out of the profile, you can then place and name all of the sub-directories as you chose. And you can have as many profiles as you wish. I have one that allows me to read existing mail but does not download any new mail. And yes you need to understand sub-directories and files. First hint, each mail account points to where the mail files will be stored. And you get to set the pointing. The only profile break was between 1X and 2X, and that was a long time ago. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: EBAY support?
On 18/06/2018 18:55, meagain wrote: > "As of June 26, 2018 you will no longer be able to check out on eBay > with your current browser. " > > What do I do about this, pray tell? Option 1: Nothing. Wait and see what shakes loose. Option 2: Lie about your UA. Regards. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: TLS question
On 6/18/18, Andy K wrote: > If I have TLS 1.0,1.1, and 1.2 checked off, will my browser use the most > secure version whenever it connnects? As long as there's no man-in-the-middle - yes. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downgrade_attack Some anti-virus products play MITM so they can check your web traffic; a browser tls check site is https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/viewMyClient.html In the 'probably not worth worrying about as long as you don't click through security warnings' category are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_cache_poisoning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGP_hijacking which can introduce a MITM. > Some sites do not work if I have only 1.1 and 1.2 ticked off. Which ones? Regards, Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
EBAY support?
"As of June 26, 2018 you will no longer be able to check out on eBay with your current browser. " What do I do about this, pray tell? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
TLS question
If I have TLS 1.0,1.1, and 1.2 checked off, will my browser use the most secure version whenever it connnects? Some sites do not work if I have only 1.1 and 1.2 ticked off. Thanks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
It is quite simple. Sharing profiles with different versions is not supported. The migration code ones knows one way and this is up from lower to higher version. Especially the storage format changes frequently. Check you error console for errors during startup. There are always a few but in case of an older SeaMonkey and newer profile this can result in funky errors. Same for some other options in recent versions. We needed to do bunch of SeaMonkey specific migrations e.g. email image whitelisting in 2.49. Sharing between different OS is also completely unsupported. If it works then fine but some things like Lightning won't. Sure unzipping and running the exe is fine if you don't need accessibility or send mail from external applications under Windows (MAPI). In short: Unless you have very specific needs stay with one version and just backup the profile before upgrading so that you can go back without problems. FRG Ray Davison wrote: Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: And on Windows the installer,,, I never use the installer, only the zip distros. It is just unzip, create a shortcut and run. And, in case anyone is interested, the FF EXEs are really self extracting zip files. You can unzip them to wherever you want and name their sub-directories anything you want. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
