Re: Should the size of the memory cache be a setting in preferences?
Yesterday, I wrote: Pref set to 1048576. Let's see what happens. OK, 24 hours of life with a larger memory cache have shown: 1) No dramatic improvement in overall performance; 2) A lack of hangs when SM reaches 25% CPU usage -- it hasn't reached that level during the test period. Rather, it seems to peak at 15–18%. So there may well be something to what Dirk Munk advised. I'll keep running with this pref setting and watch for the hangs I used to get regularly. When opportunities arise, I'll push it harder. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: dropbox forum fail with seamonkey
Original Message https://www.dropboxforum.com/t5/English/ct-p/English displays only text with no formatting, et cetera, when using SeaMonkey. Other browsers seem fine. I've checked images, script settings but ... It is now working again! I think DB changed the code, but it's hard to prove! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Remembering Password In SM 2.49.4 W10 Pro Desktop
Hello all - created a new profile for SM, usually there is a check box for remember password in the SM mail window. There is none, where do I need to go in order to enable this function? TIA - bo1953 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How set default text encoding display in Seamonkey Mail ?
Paul Bergsagel wrote on 26/02/2019 02:14: Rubens wrote: Hello all, I am receiving some Unicode-encoded e-mails which look garbled because Seamonkey always try to display them with Western encoding in the first place, so I always have to manually change the Text Encoding option for every Unicode e-mail I read. In the "Text Encoding - Message Display" preferences setting I tried both the "Default for current locale" and the "Other (including Western European)" but none gets what I need (to force opening every e-mail in Unicode viewing mode). Can anybody help ? My Seamonkey version is 2.49.4, language UK English and my OS is Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, language US English. Thanks in advance, Rubens Unicode must be set separately for the browser and for email. To Set Unicode for email: --open an email window and go to the menus item "View"->"Text Encoding" and select "Unicode" at the top of the list. To Set Unicode for the browser: --open a browser window and go to the menus item "View"->"Text Encoding" and select "Unicode" at the top of the list. I did that, but for email the setting does not stick, so for every single message I have to redo that. Even if I open the message, set to Unicode, close the message and reopen it seconds later, the setting always comes back as Western. For the browser, the setting never changes by itself as it does for email. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
browser.contentHandlers.types.* (was: Re: dropbox forum fail with seamonkey)
On 2019-02-26, Daniel wrote: > meagain wrote on 26/02/2019 1:26 AM: >> >> [ BTW, In the config file I noticed a batch of >> >> browser.contentHandlers.types.0.title;Feedly >> >> up to ...types.5... which seem excessive - are these needed?] >> > Sorry, Meagain, that's beyond my knowledge. Maybe someone else will > drop by with the relevant knowledge or, better yet, you could > start another thread asking this question. I have these settings here too. Looking at their values, these seem to be the known handlers for RSS and Atom feeds. These will be shown, for example, on top of the default(?) browser view for such feeds, in the drop-down box next to "Subscribe to this feed using". (If you need an example feed to check this: https://www.seamonkey-project.org/news-atom ) -- Nuno Silva ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Should the size of the memory cache be a setting in preferences?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Lee wrote: On 2/25/19, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: OK, so the workaround for the CPU cap is to use less CPU time? I think the "CPU cap" you're seeing is a single logical CPU running 100% busy. If your system has four logical CPUs and one of them is 100% busy that'd be 25% overall cpu utilization. If you're on windows 10 you can check by start / Windows System / Task Manager click on the performance tab, then cpu right click on the graph, change graph to, logical processors The Task Manager is how I know how much CPU is being used, and even though I didn't say so explicitly, I thought I implied that was my theory too, that one CPU is maxed out. Looking at the performance tab on my system, it already shows four separate graphs, one for each processor. But they all seem to be busy at roughly equal levels, so perhaps something else is going on. And the way to do that is to reduce disk caching (which I'm probably not doing since I have 5-6 GB of RAM free) by increasing memory cache? I think the suggestion is to reduce cpu usage by keeping more stuff in memory & not wasting cpu cycles by sending stuff off to the disk (either swap or cache) & then reading it back in. I heard that, but I'm skeptical. I don't think my system is stalling due to paging or caching to disk, but today's test will show whether Dirk's right or wrong. Another possible scenario (I thought we grew out of this decades ago) is that the program doesn't know how to use all the available RAM, or something is denying it access beyond its allocation. That is exactly what is happening! Seamonkey would love to use more RAM by putting more data in the memory cache, but the setting of 200 MB makes that impossible. It is not allowed to use more RAM. If you would set the memory cache to 16 GB (in theory), you would most likely see that Seamonkey only takes a very small amount of the 16 GB, it doesn't need more. To make this very clear, that 16 GB is not allocated to Seamonkey, but Seamonkey is allowed to ask for up to 16 GB from Windows if it needs more RAM. But that wouldn't explain why the hangs occur when CPU usage reaches 25% and not when RAM usage approaches 8 GB (which is when I'd expect disk thrashing to start). Yes it does. Seamonkey is so busy with its own housekeeping, trying to move data in and out from the cache, that it hardly has any time left for processing the data. If all the applications on your system need more than 8 GB in total, then Windows will start swapping. That does not happen. Your problem is that Seamonkey reaches the maximum RAM limit it is allowed to use, but that is the result of the setting in the configuration file. In fact, in the four years I've had this system, I've never seen CPU usage over about 26-27% no matter how hard I pushed it. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: dropbox forum fail with seamonkey
meagain wrote on 26/02/2019 1:26 AM: Original Message Did you change the setting as I suggested?? Yes indeed. Good. Next thing, some sites, apparently, spit the dummy if FF is not the last thing mentioned whilst others spit the dummy if anything apart from FF is mentioned. These changes are accomplished by editing your config file. Let us know if you need this! Yes, I think I do. [ BTW, In the config file I noticed a batch of browser.contentHandlers.types.0.title;Feedly up to ...types.5... which seem excessive - are these needed?] Sorry, Meagain, that's beyond my knowledge. Maybe someone else will drop by with the relevant knowledge or, better yet, you could start another thread asking this question. -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Should the size of the memory cache be a setting in preferences?
Lee wrote: On 2/25/19, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Dirk Munk wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Dirk Munk wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Dirk Munk wrote: Also, keep in mind that the memory cache setting is a maximum value that Seamonkey can use. At the moment I have the cache setting at 4 GB, but when I look at the task manager, the whole application uses about 3.6 GB, That means Seamonkey is only using a fraction of that allowed 4 GB. I have 8 GB of RAM, but SM doesn't come anywhere near that. When I have a lot going on, it seems to peak in the high one-gig or the low two-gig range (maybe I'm not pushing it as hard as you do). At any rate, that's not a limiting factor for me. (FWIW, I "let SeaMonkey manage the size of my cache," but as noted upthread that's the disk cache.) But I have noticed that there does seem to be a cap on CPU usage. When it gets to about 25%, SM slows to a crawl or even hangs (the cursor turns to a spinning ring and the screen goes pale in Win7), and the only solutions are either force-close it through Windows or wait three to five minutes until it thinks things though. This even happens when there are plenty of CPU cycles available. Other apps are unaffected, so I just switch to another and do something useful while I'm waiting. In that case try to change the memory cache by using about:config. Look for the entry browser.cache.memory.capacity, it most likely shows 20. Change it to 524288 (512 MB) or 1048576 (1 GB), and see what happens. As you can see, I like to use values based on powers of 2. Uh, what would that have to do with a CPU usage cap? Caching to disk means reading and writing to disk, moving data around etc. That can be very CPU intensive, certainly when it's becoming very difficult to do so. OK, so the workaround for the CPU cap is to use less CPU time? I think the "CPU cap" you're seeing is a single logical CPU running 100% busy. If your system has four logical CPUs and one of them is 100% busy that'd be 25% overall cpu utilization. If you're on windows 10 you can check by start / Windows System / Task Manager click on the performance tab, then cpu right click on the graph, change graph to, logical processors Indeed, I don't know how well the multi-theaded implementation of Seamonkey is. But even if it is good, then one thread may be responsible for maxing out one CPU core, and the other CPU cores are idling. That is the problem with a multi-core CPU, they only can use their full power if there are enough independent threads to keep every core busy. If however you have a single thread application, then a multi-core CPU hardly brings you anything, and you should look for a CPU with a high single core performance. And the way to do that is to reduce disk caching (which I'm probably not doing since I have 5-6 GB of RAM free) by increasing memory cache? I think the suggestion is to reduce cpu usage by keeping more stuff in memory & not wasting cpu cycles by sending stuff off to the disk (either swap or cache) & then reading it back in. Exactly. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
