Re: Unsupported Browser Notice
Ant wrote on 25-04-19 10:55: On 4/24/2019 2:12 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Brian Mailman wrote: Windows 10 Seamonkey 2.48 Hi, I'm now receiving a notice of "Unsupported Browser" and that my Seamonkey is "outdated" when I try to go to davita.com . The notice recommends Firefox, among others. I forget where the setting is, but I do have this copy of Seamonkey set to identify itself as Firefox! Help? Thanks in advance. Simply disable "Advertise Firefox compatibility" and reload: Edit | Preferences | Advanced | HTTP Networking It's weird that they're demanding Firefox but rejecting a browser that says it's Firefox-compatible in favor of one that doesn't. But web designers aren't always the sharpest pencils in the box. Nice find. This issue should be reported to the web site owners to sniff SM's UA correctly. I think that they don't care about a dying product ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unsupported Browser Notice
WaltS48 wrote: If you read my previous reply and the one from Paul B. Gallagher, you see that we get the page to load and don't get an Unsupported Browser Notice when disabling "Advertise Firefox Compatibility". Right. I managed not to address that. If turning off advertising compatibility works, do it. Smith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unsupported Browser Notice
On 4/25/19 3:13 PM, NFN Smith wrote: Brian Mailman wrote: Windows 10 Seamonkey 2.48 Hi, I'm now receiving a notice of "Unsupported Browser" and that my Seamonkey is "outdated" when I try to go to davita.com . The notice recommends Firefox, among others. I forget where the setting is, but I do have this copy of Seamonkey set to identify itself as Firefox! This one is a growing issue, and has been since the release of Firefox, circa 57.0. A growing number of site operators are rejecting older versions as "dated" (and with known security issues), and I know that there were sites rejecting Firefox 52.x ESR implementations (even if still supported) before 60.x ESR was released. I haven't seen it a lot, although I know of one financial institution that I deal with that complains about outdated browser, although it doesn't deny access. There's a significant number of Web developers and admins that really don't know browsers well, what's supported or not. A further problem is that most web sites get significant amounts of bot-generated traffic that use forged User Agent strings. I've done some work on that with my own web site, and even though I go conservatively, I still reject a lot of traffic that shows old versions of browsers, or User Agent strings that have syntax errors that are obviously forged. One of the dynamics is that with Google Chrome, they're aggressive enough about forcing updates on users that for a site operator, it's generally safe to assume that anything that's more than about 2 versions older than the most current version, it's safe to assume that it's forged, and is safe to reject. This effect is amplified by both developers and admins that mostly live in Chrome (and don't know much about Mozilla's architecture, including Seamonkey as a derivative). Although historically, Seamonkey users have sometimes had to struggle with sites that demand Firefox (especially before Seamonkey started advertising Firefox compatibility), it is becoming more common that sites reject Seamonkey, not necessarily because of Seamonkey, but that it's advertising compatibility with Firefox 52. I do some with spoofing using PrefBar, and I have some number of spoofs of other browsers that I may make use of occasionally. So far, I haven't really had to try to spoof Seamonkey 53 or 57 (and Firefox 60 capacity), but I anticipate doing so before too long. I did check davita.com, and none of the spoofing I use (whether a stock Firefox 60, or for that matter, stock Chrome or Opera strings) are getting me past that complaint. At that stage, it's a pretty good guess that the site developer/admin is doing browser sniffing badly. However, it's also a guess that they see few enough Seamonkey users (other than you) that they're not going to bother to make any changes. You may need to simply bite the bullet and use another browser for that site. Smith If you read my previous reply and the one from Paul B. Gallagher, you see that we get the page to load and don't get an Unsupported Browser Notice when disabling "Advertise Firefox Compatibility". -- OS: Linux Mint 19.1 - Cinnamon Desktop https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unsupported Browser Notice
Brian Mailman wrote: Windows 10 Seamonkey 2.48 Hi, I'm now receiving a notice of "Unsupported Browser" and that my Seamonkey is "outdated" when I try to go to davita.com . The notice recommends Firefox, among others. I forget where the setting is, but I do have this copy of Seamonkey set to identify itself as Firefox! This one is a growing issue, and has been since the release of Firefox, circa 57.0. A growing number of site operators are rejecting older versions as "dated" (and with known security issues), and I know that there were sites rejecting Firefox 52.x ESR implementations (even if still supported) before 60.x ESR was released. I haven't seen it a lot, although I know of one financial institution that I deal with that complains about outdated browser, although it doesn't deny access. There's a significant number of Web developers and admins that really don't know browsers well, what's supported or not. A further problem is that most web sites get significant amounts of bot-generated traffic that use forged User Agent strings. I've done some work on that with my own web site, and even though I go conservatively, I still reject a lot of traffic that shows old versions of browsers, or User Agent strings that have syntax errors that are obviously forged. One of the dynamics is that with Google Chrome, they're aggressive enough about forcing updates on users that for a site operator, it's generally safe to assume that anything that's more than about 2 versions older than the most current version, it's safe to assume that it's forged, and is safe to reject. This effect is amplified by both developers and admins that mostly live in Chrome (and don't know much about Mozilla's architecture, including Seamonkey as a derivative). Although historically, Seamonkey users have sometimes had to struggle with sites that demand Firefox (especially before Seamonkey started advertising Firefox compatibility), it is becoming more common that sites reject Seamonkey, not necessarily because of Seamonkey, but that it's advertising compatibility with Firefox 52. I do some with spoofing using PrefBar, and I have some number of spoofs of other browsers that I may make use of occasionally. So far, I haven't really had to try to spoof Seamonkey 53 or 57 (and Firefox 60 capacity), but I anticipate doing so before too long. I did check davita.com, and none of the spoofing I use (whether a stock Firefox 60, or for that matter, stock Chrome or Opera strings) are getting me past that complaint. At that stage, it's a pretty good guess that the site developer/admin is doing browser sniffing badly. However, it's also a guess that they see few enough Seamonkey users (other than you) that they're not going to bother to make any changes. You may need to simply bite the bullet and use another browser for that site. Smith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Boolean Expressions in filters ..... Possible??
Daniel wrote: I'm trying to set up some filters to apply to some/all of my UseNet groups, and I think they would effectively be Boolean Expressions, so I'm wondering if they are possible?? Some examples might be . 1. If Lines>99 Total Posts=1 then Mark as Read. (i.e. a very long post/rant that no one replied to) 2. If TotalPosts Unread then Mark as Read. (Maybe a responder is already the subject of a filter, so their posts would already be Mark as Read, so get rid of the thread.) 3. If Newsgroups ParticularNewsgroup then Mark as Read. (Some groups seem to attract REAL loonies, so if those groups are cross-posted to, I'm not interested in thread) I've found the filters capacity of Mozilla's mail clients (both Thunderbird and Seamonkey) to be somewhat limited. I will suggest that your request of "boolean" is misplaced. Boolean addresses the logic of AND, OR and NOT -- essentially grouping conditions there. Personally, I find it frustrating that there's no capacity for mixing AND and OR with parens -- e.g., "x AND (y OR z) AND NOT a". Filters with multiple conditions are pretty much limited to "match all" or "match any", and that's it. However, your question isn't really related to Boolean operators, so much as what kinds of conditions you can include in your filters. For items 1 and 2, I don't believe that's possible within the existing structure. These are ones that take calculation (and likely, interaction with the news server itself). There's a lot of different servers that support nntp, but I'm not aware of any of them that will allow a remote client to interact at this level. For item 3, I think you can do a filter that will trigger if a particular group is listed in the Newsgroups: header. In the filters dialog, there is a setting for "Custom", but for the most part, I think it's limited to checking specific header entries. Although I've noted annoyance at the limitations of what can be done with filters, the reality is that I think changes will never show up in Seamonkey. Anything that comes is going to have to originate in Thunderbird, and I've seen little indication over a lot of years that the TB developers have any interest in trying to make any significant changes there. That said, I know that there's a Thunderbird extension called FiltaQuilla https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/filtaquilla/. I've never tried it, and have no idea if it will run in Seamonkey, or not. That might give you a little more capacity, but a quick check indicates it's more mail-focused than anything that will change much in handling of news messages. Realistically, if you want more filters handling with news than you're already seeing with Seamonkey, you'll probably need to look for other news clients. And even then, some of what you're asking for is likely not to be offered in any news client. Smith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unsupported Browser Notice
Works fine in 2.49.5 with user agent "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:66.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/66.0" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unsupported Browser Notice
On 4/24/2019 2:12 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Brian Mailman wrote: Windows 10 Seamonkey 2.48 Hi, I'm now receiving a notice of "Unsupported Browser" and that my Seamonkey is "outdated" when I try to go to davita.com . The notice recommends Firefox, among others. I forget where the setting is, but I do have this copy of Seamonkey set to identify itself as Firefox! Help? Thanks in advance. Simply disable "Advertise Firefox compatibility" and reload: Edit | Preferences | Advanced | HTTP Networking It's weird that they're demanding Firefox but rejecting a browser that says it's Firefox-compatible in favor of one that doesn't. But web designers aren't always the sharpest pencils in the box. Nice find. This issue should be reported to the web site owners to sniff SM's UA correctly. -- "Ants live safely till they have gotten wings." --unknown Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.ma.cx / / /\ /\ \ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org | |o o| | Axe ANT from its address if shown & e-mailing privately. \ _ / Please kindly use Ant nickname & URL/link if crediting. ( ) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unsupported Browser Notice
You might have to change your web browser's user agent. Its home page worked for me with "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0" on my decade old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC's SeaMonkey v2.49.4 web browser. Maybe try changing its user agent? On 4/24/2019 12:50 PM, Brian Mailman wrote: Windows 10 Seamonkey 2.48 Hi, I'm now receiving a notice of "Unsupported Browser" and that my Seamonkey is "outdated" when I try to go to davita.com . The notice recommends Firefox, among others. I forget where the setting is, but I do have this copy of Seamonkey set to identify itself as Firefox! Help? Thanks in advance.-- "Thanks for giving me the courage to eat all those ants." --unknown Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.ma.cx / / /\ /\ \ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org | |o o| | Axe ANT from its address if shown & e-mailing privately. \ _ / Please kindly use Ant nickname & URL/link if crediting. ( ) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
