Re: Unable to work with by bank now with SM

2020-11-27 Thread Ray_Net 

JAS wrote on 27-11-20 01:10:

Ray_Net wrote:

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote on 26-11-20 15:46:

On 26/11/2020 05:42, Daniel wrote:

.. Does it help if you make both "83.0"??


No, because as Lemuel posted before, the site assumes that the browser
offers a JavaScript interface that SM doesn't yet have, and doesn't 
send

shim code ("polyfill") to provide it.

A polyfill that works for GitHub seems to send belfius into endless 
recursion.


/df


This seems correct, because the website dit not test the UA string.
Anyway ... in what SM version "polyfill" will work ?
Can you install Firefox or maybe Chrome also portable from 
https://portableapps.com/ on a USB drive and run it from there when 
the need arises to use another browser. I have 
Edge,Chrome,Opera,Firefox and also Thunderbird installed on one and 
run them when I need to or just to test them out and have imported my 
bookmarks and setting on each.


JAS
Too late :-) :-) I have installed directly in my pc without trying the 
portable version :-)

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Re: Unable to work with by bank now with SM

2020-11-27 Thread Ray_Net 

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote on 27-11-20 20:47:

On 26/11/2020 16:13, Ray_Net wrote:

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote on 26-11-20 15:46:
...>
A polyfill that works for GitHub seems to send belfius into endless 
recursion.


Which is likely because it also wants to use the Shadow DOM feature, 
which is really too complicated to implement outside the browser core.



This seems correct, because the website dit not test the UA string.
Anyway ... in what SM version "polyfill" will work ?


The next significant SM browser upgrade (possibly the last) is being 
developed as 2.57 based on the Gecko engine used in Firefox 60 but 
Shadow DOM (and Custom Elements) appeared in 63. Those would have to 
be backported by the SM devs, so don't hold your breath.


/df

Thank you for those "details" .. IT seeme that more and more often I 
should use other browsers.

This one now is also not working with SM: https://login.one.com/mail
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Re: Unable to work with by bank now with SM

2020-11-27 Thread Ray_Net 

Yamo' wrote on 27-11-20 09:20:

Hi,

Ray_Net a tapoté le 26/11/2020 01:25:

I have bookmarked it and the result is the same.
Also for me, it looaded, but the top part of page is missing.
You should see in the upper right part a red button like this one:
**
* S'inscrire *
**
dit you see that button ?

No any button "s'inscrire" in pages...


What SM version did you use ? mine is 2.53.3

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0
SeaMonkey/2.53.5

May this website is only working in Belgium?


This site works everywhere ... You don't see the "S'inscrire" button, 
because SM did not work correctly with this site.

Try using Chrome or Firefox - ans you will see this login-button.
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Re: SeaMonkey and Github

2020-11-27 Thread Nuno Silva 
On 2020-11-27, Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:

> On 27/11/2020 14:12, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
>> Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:
>>>
>>> It seems that Github.com does not work with SM correctly in more
>>> frequently used features than before. ...
>>
>> For what it's worth, I've also noticed that trying to show hidden
>> lines in diffs no longer works either.  I suspect this is another
>> case of a site (GitHub in this case) using newer JavaScript features
>> which aren't implemented in SeaMonkey, and not providing polyfills
>> to provide those features when unavailable.
>
> In particular, the Custom Elements feature. You can provide a
> polyfill, eg using NoScript. I won't post the one I'm using here as
> it's 800+ lines of JS.
>
> /df

I haven't used this myself, but it has been mentioned in the SeaMonkey
IRC channel:

https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill


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Re: Website appears to crash 2.53.5

2020-11-27 Thread Jonathan N. Little 
Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
> Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
>> Gerry Hickman wrote:
>>> Jonathan N. Little wrote:
 

>>>
>>> Works straight away for me, using SM 2.53.3 on Linux with NoScript.
>>>
>> Linux, 2.53.3, no add-ons: JavaScript loop, after a while it asks me
>> if I should continue or abort the script.  Aborting it works fine.
>> I'll be updating my Seamonkey in a few minutes so we'll see what the
>> newer level does.
>>
> 2.53.5.1, identical behaviour.  Stopping the Script works.
> 

Same thing that I have witnessed, on Linux I get the JavaScript about
dialog, on Windows I SeaMonkey become unresponsive and then crashes to
the desktop.

I the former behavior I would expect to handle bad JavaScript, the
latter I would raise as an issue to be addressed.

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Re: SeaMonkey and Github

2020-11-27 Thread Dirk Fieldhouse 

On 27/11/2020 14:12, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:


It seems that Github.com does not work with SM correctly in more
frequently used features than before. ...


For what it's worth, I've also noticed that trying to show hidden lines 
in diffs no longer works either.  I suspect this is another case of a 
site (GitHub in this case) using newer JavaScript features which aren't 
implemented in SeaMonkey, and not providing polyfills to provide those 
features when unavailable.


In particular, the Custom Elements feature. You can provide a polyfill, 
eg using NoScript. I won't post the one I'm using here as it's 800+ 
lines of JS.


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Re: Unable to work with by bank now with SM

2020-11-27 Thread Dirk Fieldhouse 

On 26/11/2020 16:13, Ray_Net wrote:

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote on 26-11-20 15:46:
...>
A polyfill that works for GitHub seems to send belfius into endless 
recursion.


Which is likely because it also wants to use the Shadow DOM feature, 
which is really too complicated to implement outside the browser core.



This seems correct, because the website dit not test the UA string.
Anyway ... in what SM version "polyfill" will work ?


The next significant SM browser upgrade (possibly the last) is being 
developed as 2.57 based on the Gecko engine used in Firefox 60 but 
Shadow DOM (and Custom Elements) appeared in 63. Those would have to be 
backported by the SM devs, so don't hold your breath.


/df

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Re: Website appears to crash 2.53.5

2020-11-27 Thread Don Spam's Reckless Son 

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Gerry Hickman wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:
 



Works straight away for me, using SM 2.53.3 on Linux with NoScript.

Linux, 2.53.3, no add-ons: JavaScript loop, after a while it asks me if 
I should continue or abort the script.  Aborting it works fine.
I'll be updating my Seamonkey in a few minutes so we'll see what the 
newer level does.



2.53.5.1, identical behaviour.  Stopping the Script works.

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Re: Website appears to crash 2.53.5

2020-11-27 Thread Don Spam's Reckless Son 

Gerry Hickman wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:
 



Works straight away for me, using SM 2.53.3 on Linux with NoScript.

Linux, 2.53.3, no add-ons: JavaScript loop, after a while it asks me if 
I should continue or abort the script.  Aborting it works fine.
I'll be updating my Seamonkey in a few minutes so we'll see what the 
newer level does.


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Re: Website appears to crash 2.53.5

2020-11-27 Thread Gerry Hickman via support-seamonkey 

Jonathan N. Little wrote:




Works straight away for me, using SM 2.53.3 on Linux with NoScript.

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Re: Website appears to crash 2.53.5

2020-11-27 Thread WaltS48 

On 11/27/20 10:05 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

This German site reliably and consistently hard crashes SeaMonkey



Tried in safe-mode but page crashes too suddenly to id the issue. This
is will Windows 10 2004. Try with Ubuntu 16.04 managed to get the
busy-script dialog and seemed to point to JavaScript standard JQuery
v3.4.1. A minimized library so difficult to debug.

I see there is another update to 2.53.5.1 so will see if that fixes it.



No difference with 2.53.5.1, but can confirm it is definitely JavaScript
crashing the browser.



No crash here using SM 2.53.5.1 on Ubuntu 18.04.

Did get a script is slowing down your browser message. Clicked the stop 
button and can navigate the page.


Did you mean hangs?

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Re: Website appears to crash 2.53.5

2020-11-27 Thread Jonathan N. Little 
WaltS48 wrote:
> On 11/27/20 10:05 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>> Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>> This German site reliably and consistently hard crashes SeaMonkey
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Tried in safe-mode but page crashes too suddenly to id the issue. This
>>> is will Windows 10 2004. Try with Ubuntu 16.04 managed to get the
>>> busy-script dialog and seemed to point to JavaScript standard JQuery
>>> v3.4.1. A minimized library so difficult to debug.
>>>
>>> I see there is another update to 2.53.5.1 so will see if that fixes it.
>>>
>>
>> No difference with 2.53.5.1, but can confirm it is definitely JavaScript
>> crashing the browser.
>>
> 
> No crash here using SM 2.53.5.1 on Ubuntu 18.04.
> 
> Did get a script is slowing down your browser message. Clicked the stop
> button and can navigate the page.

Same with Ubuntu 16.04. In Windows 10 hangs immediately so you cannot
hit stop, then crashes to the Desktop.

> 
> Did you mean hangs?
> 




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Re: Website appears to crash 2.53.5

2020-11-27 Thread Jonathan N. Little 
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> This German site reliably and consistently hard crashes SeaMonkey
> 
> 
> 
> Tried in safe-mode but page crashes too suddenly to id the issue. This
> is will Windows 10 2004. Try with Ubuntu 16.04 managed to get the
> busy-script dialog and seemed to point to JavaScript standard JQuery
> v3.4.1. A minimized library so difficult to debug.
> 
> I see there is another update to 2.53.5.1 so will see if that fixes it.
> 

No difference with 2.53.5.1, but can confirm it is definitely JavaScript
crashing the browser.

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Website appears to crash 2.53.5

2020-11-27 Thread Jonathan N. Little 
This German site reliably and consistently hard crashes SeaMonkey



Tried in safe-mode but page crashes too suddenly to id the issue. This
is will Windows 10 2004. Try with Ubuntu 16.04 managed to get the
busy-script dialog and seemed to point to JavaScript standard JQuery
v3.4.1. A minimized library so difficult to debug.

I see there is another update to 2.53.5.1 so will see if that fixes it.

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Re: SeaMonkey and Github

2020-11-27 Thread mozilla-lists . mbourne 

Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:

Hi,

It seems that Github.com does not work with SM correctly in more
frequently used features than before. For instance, I no longer can
edit comments in issues using the Edit menu option at the top right
corner of the comment box. Also, I can't edit checklists in comments.
Changing the UA agent in different ways (through HTTP config and
setting an specific general.useragent.github.com preference) has not
helped.

In the past, the top message warning me of an obsolete browser was
just an annoyance, but I can't find the way to workaround this. Has
anyone been luckier than me with this?


For what it's worth, I've also noticed that trying to show hidden lines 
in diffs no longer works either.  I suspect this is another case of a 
site (GitHub in this case) using newer JavaScript features which aren't 
implemented in SeaMonkey, and not providing polyfills to provide those 
features when unavailable.


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Re: Images don't display on Costco emails

2020-11-27 Thread mozilla-lists . mbourne 

William Greenwood wrote:

What setting do I need to adjust?


EE wrote:
Have you examined Preferences > Mail & Newsgroups > Message Display?  Is 
"Block images and other content from remote sources" checked?


Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
That's a deliberate policy in my case, but those few mails where I 
actually want to look at the pretty pictures normally come with a link: 
"Open in Browser" or "View this email in your browser".


That's dependent on the sender of the email including such a link, and 
hosting a copy of the email as a web page on their server.  Even when 
they do include such a link, they may not host the copy indefinitely - 
so it might stop working some time in future.


I think the main issue with remote images in emails is that they can 
include unique image URLs in each email they send, even if the emails 
otherwise appear identical (e.g. advertising offers), so they know that 
you've opened the copy they sent to you.  So it is a good idea to block 
them by default, so that you don't reveal anything just by opening the 
email (spammers can use the same trick to work out which addresses are 
actually being read and opened, to target with more spam).  But the same 
applies to the link to open the email in the browser - it will probably 
include a unique ID, so they know it was opened from the email they sent 
to you, as opposed to anyone else.  That's probably not an issue for 
companies you have dealings with anyway - but the point is that using 
the link to open the message in the browser is not really any better 
than allowing remotely hosted images to be shown in that specific email.


Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
Suppressing full html is a security option, some pretty nasty things can 
be spread via html (or MS Word) mails.  I must admit I thought you could 
have exceptions (such as permit full html for costco.com) but I can't 
see how to manipulate them so that could be wrong.


I also have "Block images and other content from remote sources" set. 
When an email contains embedded images from a remote server, SeaMonkey 
displays a green banner saying "To protect your privacy, SeaMonkey has 
blocked remote content in this message" with an "Options" button giving 
the option to show that content.  That shows the content just for that 
email, without having to change the main preference.


That banner also includes options to always allow remote content based 
on the sender or the domain hosting the content.  Those permissions can 
be modified via the "Permissions" settings in Tools > Data Manager 
("Load Images" permissions under the "*" domain for specific senders, or 
the specific domain hosting content).  That might be what you were 
thinking of for setting exceptions.  There's also an option in address 
book entries for whether they prefer to receive messages as plain text 
or HTML - but that's for the format used for outgoing messages you send 
to that address, not how you view messages received from them.


If you don't get that banner, or if selecting the option to show remote 
content still doesn't show the images, there may be something else going 
on.  e.g. the image URLs in the email may be wrong, or the sender may 
have stopped hosting them (I sometimes find that images are no longer 
available if I open an email a couple of months old - depends on the 
sender though).


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Re: Unable to work with by bank now with SM

2020-11-27 Thread Yamo' 
Hi,

Ray_Net a tapoté le 26/11/2020 01:25:
> I have bookmarked it and the result is the same.
> Also for me, it looaded, but the top part of page is missing.
> You should see in the upper right part a red button like this one:
> **
> * S'inscrire *
> **
> dit you see that button ?

No any button "s'inscrire" in pages...

> What SM version did you use ? mine is 2.53.3

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0
SeaMonkey/2.53.5

May this website is only working in Belgium?


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