Re: How to filter away spam in newsgroups?
NoOp wrote: On 07/24/2010 06:35 AM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: ... Yes, currently news account filters work only on newly downloaded headers. See my other reply - I've reset the groups to make them re-download the headers, but then it appeared impossibly slow. This server (news.mozilla.org) is impossibly slow anyway when downloading headers. I can fetch over 500 headers on gmane.org or some other nntp in the time it takes to fetch 50 headers on this server. Hmm... guess I should appreciate my cable ISP more than I do, because I don't experience the slowness many complain of with the mozilla groups. Nor do I get a lot of spam. Makes me feel a little better about their bill... but not much. ;) bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to filter away spam in newsgroups?
chicagofan wrote: NoOp wrote: On 07/24/2010 06:35 AM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: ... Yes, currently news account filters work only on newly downloaded headers. See my other reply - I've reset the groups to make them re-download the headers, but then it appeared impossibly slow. This server (news.mozilla.org) is impossibly slow anyway when downloading headers. I can fetch over 500 headers on gmane.org or some other nntp in the time it takes to fetch 50 headers on this server. Hmm... guess I should appreciate my cable ISP more than I do, because I don't experience the slowness many complain of with the mozilla groups. Nor do I get a lot of spam. Makes me feel a little better about their bill... but not much. ;) bj Same here - no slowness, and I use Filters on the Mozilla server. I do see spam headers that have been deleted when I check the Filter Log - so my keyword Filters are also working. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
How to filter away spam in newsgroups?
Hi, there is so much spam in the mozilla news groups (i.e. XPCOM, XUL and DOM). How can I tell SeaMonkey to filter this spam away (at least mark it as read). Filters seem not to work for news groups (i.e. I'm missing the run now button known from the eMail filters). Mark as spam also does not work for news groups. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to filter away spam in newsgroups?
Georg Maaß wrote: there is so much spam in the mozilla news groups (i.e. XPCOM, XUL and DOM). How can I tell SeaMonkey to filter this spam away (at least mark it as read). Filters seem not to work for news groups (i.e. I'm missing the run now button known from the eMail filters). Nearly all the spam comes from Google Groups. Filter on the Message-ID containing googlegroups.com http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ Mark as spam also does not work for news groups. Marking individual posts never works (for email or news) as the spammers use a different user ID (email address) for each message. You just end up with a huge list of never-to-be-used-again filters. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to filter away spam in newsgroups?
Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:10:50 +0200, /Georg Maaß/: there is so much spam in the mozilla news groups (i.e. XPCOM, XUL and DOM). How can I tell SeaMonkey to filter this spam away (at least mark it as read). Filters seem not to work for news groups (i.e. I'm missing the run now button known from the eMail filters). Mark as spam also does not work for news groups. One thing I've tried, defined a filter like: name=Google Groups Spam 1 enabled=yes type=20 action=Delete condition=AND (\organization\,contains,http://groups.google.com) AND (\complaints-to\,contains,groups-ab...@google.com) AND (\injection-info\,contains,.googlegroups.com;) AND (\x-http-useragent\,contains,Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0;) AND (\x-http-useragent\,contains,Trident/4.0; GTB6.5; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR) AND (\x-http-useragent\,contains,\3.0.04506; .NET CLR 3.5.21022),gzip(gfe)\) This supposedly filters a recent class of spam, but does not unconditionally filter everything coming from Google Groups. Closed SeaMonkey and deleted all *.msf files for news.mozilla.org. Edited news.mozilla.org.rc making all groups like: mozilla.announce: 1 After headers get downloaded again, no of the given spam would land in. However I've identified this way downloading of new messages becomes impossibly slow. I've noticed even when disabling the filter (it is the only one for the account) the same slowdown happens. Only when removing it all together no slowdown appears. So I've given up, downloaded recent headers without a filter and then added the filter so it gets effect for new headers, only. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to filter away spam in newsgroups?
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Marking individual posts never works (for email or news) as the spammers use a different user ID (email address) for each message. You just end up with a huge list of never-to-be-used-again filters. I created a message filter via menu Tools - Message Filters... for mozilla.dev.tech.dom The filter is specified as: Apply filter when: Checking Mail or Manually Run Match any of the following Message_ID contains googlegroups.com Perform these actions: Mark As Read but no Run manually button is provided for the filter. So it seems to be useless. If this GUI is not designed to create filters for news groups the dropdown menu Filter for should provide mailboxes only. Currently it provides mailboxes as well as news servers, but filters on news serves seem not to work. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to filter away spam in newsgroups?
Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:28:58 +0200, /Georg Maaß/: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Marking individual posts never works (for email or news) as the spammers use a different user ID (email address) for each message. You just end up with a huge list of never-to-be-used-again filters. I created a message filter via menu Tools - Message Filters... for mozilla.dev.tech.dom The filter is specified as: Apply filter when: Checking Mail or Manually Run Match any of the following Message_ID contains googlegroups.com Perform these actions: Mark As Read but no Run manually button is provided for the filter. So it seems to be useless. If this GUI is not designed to create filters for news groups the dropdown menu Filter for should provide mailboxes only. Currently it provides mailboxes as well as news servers, but filters on news serves seem not to work. Yes, currently news account filters work only on newly downloaded headers. See my other reply - I've reset the groups to make them re-download the headers, but then it appeared impossibly slow. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to filter away spam in newsgroups?
Georg Maaß wrote: Hi, there is so much spam in the mozilla news groups (i.e. XPCOM, XUL and DOM). How can I tell SeaMonkey to filter this spam away (at least mark it as read). Filters seem not to work for news groups (i.e. I'm missing the run now button known from the eMail filters). Mark as spam also does not work for news groups. I have used NewsProxy for years and it works. It is very flexible and a little hard to set up, but worth the trouble on some newsgroups. -- Gerald Ross Cochran, GA Never use a tool that's more intelligent than you are. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to filter away spam in newsgroups?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:28:58 +0200, /Georg Maaß/: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Marking individual posts never works (for email or news) as the spammers use a different user ID (email address) for each message. You just end up with a huge list of never-to-be-used-again filters. I created a message filter via menu Tools - Message Filters... for mozilla.dev.tech.dom The filter is specified as: Apply filter when: Checking Mail or Manually Run Match any of the following Message_ID contains googlegroups.com Perform these actions: Mark As Read but no Run manually button is provided for the filter. So it seems to be useless. If this GUI is not designed to create filters for news groups the dropdown menu Filter for should provide mailboxes only. Currently it provides mailboxes as well as news servers, but filters on news serves seem not to work. Yes, currently news account filters work only on newly downloaded headers. That would be correct, and applies to (probably) all newsreaders. If you've already gotten the headers before setting up the filter, you would have to clear and re-download. See my other reply - I've reset the groups to make them re-download the headers, but then it appeared impossibly slow. And that's because your filter reads parts that are only downloaded with full bodies, not just headers. So your computer is getting all those thousands of lines of content, instead of just the few in the actual header. I thought your filter, as described, was way overkill. All you need is the Message-ID. ;-) -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to filter away spam in newsgroups?
Gerald Ross wrote: I have used NewsProxy for years and it works. aka nFilter. Other apps in this class: Hamster and Leafnode. http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=nFilter+OR+NewsProxy+Hamster+Leafnode+-jeffm_+-News.Proxy+-inurl:wwwnum=100 These local proxy servers provide added granularity when compared to the other solution being proposed. http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/c6c66638a7a78f10/de1b4abeae5f920e?q=Agent-will-dispose-of-*-flagged-messages+whitelist+adds-text-to-the-Subject-line-*-downloads-*-headers+leaves-*-unmarked-messages-on-*-server+DROP+googlegroups+FLAG+uar+nfilter+all+bye+easy http://tinyurl.com/Using-nFilter-Effectively Note: I post to this group via Google Groups. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to filter away spam in newsgroups?
Georg Maaß wrote: Hi, there is so much spam in the mozilla news groups (i.e. XPCOM, XUL and DOM). How can I tell SeaMonkey to filter this spam away (at least mark it as read). Filters seem not to work for news groups (i.e. I'm missing the run now button known from the eMail filters). Mark as spam also does not work for news groups. I use the keyword Filter built into Seamonkey with a Delete Message action. I have the FLiter set against the server - not a specific group. I hardly see any spam at all. On the rare occasions when I do, I add a new Keyword to the list. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to filter away spam in newsgroups?
Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:41:46 -0500, /Beauregard T. Shagnasty/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: See my other reply - I've reset the groups to make them re-download the headers, but then it appeared impossibly slow. And that's because your filter reads parts that are only downloaded with full bodies, not just headers. So your computer is getting all those thousands of lines of content, instead of just the few in the actual header. I thought your filter, as described, was way overkill. All you need is the Message-ID. ;-) So, normally when fetching the new message headers not all headers get downloaded, right? Do you know which headers get downloaded normally? I didn't want to use just the 'Message-ID' in my filter as it would filter out all legitimate posts coming from Google Groups, also. Note I've described one more problem - the slow down appears even when the filter is disabled. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to filter away spam in newsgroups?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: /Beauregard T. Shagnasty/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: See my other reply - I've reset the groups to make them re-download the headers, but then it appeared impossibly slow. And that's because your filter reads parts that are only downloaded with full bodies, not just headers. So your computer is getting all those thousands of lines of content, instead of just the few in the actual header. I thought your filter, as described, was way overkill. All you need is the Message-ID. ;-) So, normally when fetching the new message headers not all headers get downloaded, right? Do you know which headers get downloaded normally? I'm not entirely sure, but they include Message-ID, Subject, number of lines, From, the date/time, and probably not much more. I didn't want to use just the 'Message-ID' in my filter as it would filter out all legitimate posts coming from Google Groups, also. Someone recently wrote that filtering googlegroups was like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but an eloquent reply was the bathwater is so dirty, the only way you can find the baby is to dump the bathwater on the lawn and hope you can actually spot the baby. Implying of course that there are s many more spam posts than legitimate ones from googlegroups that it's worth the effort to filter first. Set GG to mark as read instead of delete. Note I've described one more problem - the slow down appears even when the filter is disabled. Suggest you remove the filter(s) altogether and hope that solves the problem. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to filter away spam in newsgroups?
On 07/24/2010 06:35 AM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: ... Yes, currently news account filters work only on newly downloaded headers. See my other reply - I've reset the groups to make them re-download the headers, but then it appeared impossibly slow. This server (news.mozilla.org) is impossibly slow anyway when downloading headers. I can fetch over 500 headers on gmane.org or some other nntp in the time it takes to fetch 50 headers on this server. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
