Re: PDF Adobe in SeaMonkey

[NFN Smith]

DoctorBill wrote:

I often get Mail where a pdf file needs Adobe
reader to see it.
I have Adobe Reader, but it is not associated with SM.
I have to click on the link that says I don't have
Adobe !  THEN it loads.  Kind of clunky.

Is there a way to get the Adobe Reader "into" SM
or have it go there automatically ?


You might try an uninstall/reinstall of Reader.

I don't currently use Adobe, and I haven't seen the behavior recently, 
but I know with both Foxit and PDFXchange, there's installation options 
that allow for the reader being installed, and where you can specify 
calling as the default option for handling .PDF.


If you're playing with PDF readers, you might want to consider a 
non-Adobe tool.


Remember that Adobe's design of Acrobat and PDF is as an 
enterprise-grade document management system. The expectation is that the 
user launches Reader at the beginning of the day, and leaves it open 
(either as a full window, or background, in the System Tray), and is 
interacting frequently with PDF content.  As a result, Reader has a lot 
of plugins -- those chew up a lot of resources (memory and launch time), 
and only a small fraction of those plug-ins are needed for simple 
viewing of PDF content.


If you need something specific that Adobe provides (such as capacity for 
encrypted email, forms handling and data collection, etc.) Reader is a 
great tool.  If all you need is occasionally to read a PDF-formatted 
file, then Reader is overkill, IMHO.


I've found that both Foxit and PDFXchange Viewer are smaller and 
lighter: both are faster, and consume less resources.


Smith

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Re: PDF Adobe in SeaMonkey

[EE]

DoctorBill wrote:

EE wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I often get Mail where a pdf file needs Adobe
reader to see it.
I have Adobe Reader, but it is not associated
with SM.
I have to click on the link that says I don't
have Adobe !  THEN it
loads.  Kind of clunky.

Is there a way to get the Adobe Reader "into" SM
or have it go there
automatically ?

I went to the Add-Ons for SM, but all I saw was
some thing about "Adobe
Dynamic Tag Managment (DTM)" at Mozilla.org


Not enough into jargon and the programming of SM
to understand this stuff.

Can someone enlighten me on this subject ?



Why not detach the attachment (I presume the .pdf
file is an attachment?) and read it like any other
.pdf file on your hard drive?


Often I don't know if I want to save the pdf file or not, so I would
like the option to read it - then decide to save it or not.

Just my quirk.

DB


You can have any detached attachment saved to the download directory, 
read it there, and delete it if you do not want to keep it.  Because of 
the way Mac Mozilla applications work, whether I open or save files, 
they get added to my download directory anyway, and I have to delete 
those that I do not want to keep.  I simply got used to that.


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Re: PDF Adobe in SeaMonkey

[Daniel]

On 28/11/2015 4:48 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:


I often get Mail where a pdf file needs Adobe reader to see it.
I have Adobe Reader, but it is not associated with SM.
I have to click on the link that says I don't have Adobe !  THEN it
loads.  Kind of clunky.

Is there a way to get the Adobe Reader "into" SM or have it go there
automatically ?

I went to the Add-Ons for SM, but all I saw was some thing about "Adobe
Dynamic Tag Managment (DTM)" at Mozilla.org

Not enough into jargon and the programming of SM to understand this
stuff.

Can someone enlighten me on this subject ?


There are two basic approaches to this:

1) Save the attachment to your hard disk and open it from there. With
Adobe Reader installed, Windows will already know how to handle PDFs.

2) Open the attachment in SeaMonkey. Right-click the filename in the
attachment pane and choose "Open." If as you say SeaMonkey doesn't know
how to handle PDFs, it will ask for instructions. When you choose Adobe
Reader, check the box telling SM to do this every time it encounters a
PDF and you'll be fine from then on.

Paul, would another (a third) possibility for Doctor Bill be to select 
Edit->Preferences->Browser->Helper Applications and there select what he 
wants to open his PDF attachments in the Browser screen??


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.39 Build identifier: 20151028234211

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: PDF Adobe in SeaMonkey

[Ray_Net]

DoctorBill wrote on 28/11/2015 16:53:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Daniel wrote:


On 28/11/2015 4:48 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


There are two basic approaches to this:

1) Save the attachment to your hard disk and
open it from there.
With Adobe Reader installed, Windows will
already know how to
handle PDFs.

2) Open the attachment in SeaMonkey.
Right-click the filename in
the attachment pane and choose "Open." If as
you say SeaMonkey
doesn't know how to handle PDFs, it will ask
for instructions. When
you choose Adobe Reader, check the box telling
SM to do this every
time it encounters a PDF and you'll be fine
from then on.


Paul, would another (a third) possibility for
Doctor Bill be to
select Edit->Preferences->Browser->Helper
Applications and there
select what he wants to open his PDF attachments
in the Browser
screen??


Yes, provided SM has already seen at least one PDF
and saved a policy decision. I wasn't ready to
make that assumption, since he says it doesn't
know how to handle them. If there's no entry in
the prefs, how can he edit it?

I would also note that websites serve PDFs with
several different MIME types, so an "experienced"
copy of SeaMonkey will have several entries in the
prefs. Mine has five, for example.



I found a Canon Camera Manuals site where I pick some camera model and 
the pdf file immediately popped up !


Your advice led me to getting Adobe to load pdf files automatically.

Great !   Thank you again !

DoctorBill
I had also informed Adobe Acrobat Reader that it's better to open the 
pdf itself instead of opening in SM.


But recently I simply switched to Foxit Reader due to the change Acrobat 
Reader have done without reasons.
This new ans unresolved bug is explained here: 
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1812515


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Re: PDF Adobe in SeaMonkey

[DoctorBill]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Daniel wrote:


On 28/11/2015 4:48 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


There are two basic approaches to this:

1) Save the attachment to your hard disk and
open it from there.
With Adobe Reader installed, Windows will
already know how to
handle PDFs.

2) Open the attachment in SeaMonkey.
Right-click the filename in
the attachment pane and choose "Open." If as
you say SeaMonkey
doesn't know how to handle PDFs, it will ask
for instructions. When
you choose Adobe Reader, check the box telling
SM to do this every
time it encounters a PDF and you'll be fine
from then on.


Paul, would another (a third) possibility for
Doctor Bill be to
select Edit->Preferences->Browser->Helper
Applications and there
select what he wants to open his PDF attachments
in the Browser
screen??


Yes, provided SM has already seen at least one PDF
and saved a policy decision. I wasn't ready to
make that assumption, since he says it doesn't
know how to handle them. If there's no entry in
the prefs, how can he edit it?

I would also note that websites serve PDFs with
several different MIME types, so an "experienced"
copy of SeaMonkey will have several entries in the
prefs. Mine has five, for example.



I found a Canon Camera Manuals site where I pick 
some camera model and the pdf file immediately 
popped up !


Your advice led me to getting Adobe to load pdf 
files automatically.


Great !   Thank you again !

DoctorBill
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Re: PDF Adobe in SeaMonkey

[EE]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Daniel wrote:


On 28/11/2015 4:48 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


There are two basic approaches to this:

1) Save the attachment to your hard disk and open it from there.
With Adobe Reader installed, Windows will already know how to
handle PDFs.

2) Open the attachment in SeaMonkey. Right-click the filename in
the attachment pane and choose "Open." If as you say SeaMonkey
doesn't know how to handle PDFs, it will ask for instructions. When
you choose Adobe Reader, check the box telling SM to do this every
time it encounters a PDF and you'll be fine from then on.


Paul, would another (a third) possibility for Doctor Bill be to
select Edit->Preferences->Browser->Helper Applications and there
select what he wants to open his PDF attachments in the Browser
screen??


Yes, provided SM has already seen at least one PDF and saved a policy
decision. I wasn't ready to make that assumption, since he says it
doesn't know how to handle them. If there's no entry in the prefs, how
can he edit it?

I would also note that websites serve PDFs with several different MIME
types, so an "experienced" copy of SeaMonkey will have several entries
in the prefs. Mine has five, for example.

There has to be some application associated with the .pdf extension for 
the operating system.  That is the key to getting a helper application 
set up for a browser or email reader.


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Re: PDF Adobe in SeaMonkey

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Daniel wrote:


On 28/11/2015 4:48 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


There are two basic approaches to this:

1) Save the attachment to your hard disk and open it from there.
With Adobe Reader installed, Windows will already know how to
handle PDFs.

2) Open the attachment in SeaMonkey. Right-click the filename in
the attachment pane and choose "Open." If as you say SeaMonkey
doesn't know how to handle PDFs, it will ask for instructions. When
you choose Adobe Reader, check the box telling SM to do this every
time it encounters a PDF and you'll be fine from then on.


Paul, would another (a third) possibility for Doctor Bill be to
select Edit->Preferences->Browser->Helper Applications and there
select what he wants to open his PDF attachments in the Browser
screen??


Yes, provided SM has already seen at least one PDF and saved a policy 
decision. I wasn't ready to make that assumption, since he says it 
doesn't know how to handle them. If there's no entry in the prefs, how 
can he edit it?


I would also note that websites serve PDFs with several different MIME 
types, so an "experienced" copy of SeaMonkey will have several entries 
in the prefs. Mine has five, for example.


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Re: PDF Adobe in SeaMonkey

[DoctorBill]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Daniel wrote:


On 28/11/2015 4:48 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


There are two basic approaches to this:

1) Save the attachment to your hard disk and
open it from there.
With Adobe Reader installed, Windows will
already know how to
handle PDFs.

2) Open the attachment in SeaMonkey.
Right-click the filename in
the attachment pane and choose "Open." If as
you say SeaMonkey
doesn't know how to handle PDFs, it will ask
for instructions. When
you choose Adobe Reader, check the box telling
SM to do this every
time it encounters a PDF and you'll be fine
from then on.


Paul, would another (a third) possibility for
Doctor Bill be to
select Edit->Preferences->Browser->Helper
Applications and there
select what he wants to open his PDF attachments
in the Browser
screen??


Yes, provided SM has already seen at least one PDF
and saved a policy decision. I wasn't ready to
make that assumption, since he says it doesn't
know how to handle them. If there's no entry in
the prefs, how can he edit it?

I would also note that websites serve PDFs with
several different MIME types, so an "experienced"
copy of SeaMonkey will have several entries in the
prefs. Mine has five, for example.



Thank you Daniel !  and you are right Paul, I 
don't didn't know enough to even look there.


If you don't use the menu every day, at least I 
myself tend to forget all the nuances.


So I did go to "Edit->Preferences->Browser->Helper 
Applications"

and looked there.  MANY Adobe items were there.
Five referring to Adobe Acrobat !
When clicked on my choices were Always ask  or 
save file.
Somehow I got a choice of always use Adobe Acrobat 
and clicked it.  Now I works in mail.
Don't know if it works in the Browser because I 
don't know any web links that have pdf files to 
try out  "Ignorance is expensive"

BUT - You fellows have set me on the right path !

Thank you so much !



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Re: PDF Adobe in SeaMonkey

[EE]

DoctorBill wrote:

I often get Mail where a pdf file needs Adobe reader to see it.
I have Adobe Reader, but it is not associated with SM.
I have to click on the link that says I don't have Adobe !  THEN it
loads.  Kind of clunky.

Is there a way to get the Adobe Reader "into" SM or have it go there
automatically ?

I went to the Add-Ons for SM, but all I saw was some thing about "Adobe
Dynamic Tag Managment (DTM)" at Mozilla.org

Not enough into jargon and the programming of SM to understand this stuff.

Can someone enlighten me on this subject ?



Why not detach the attachment (I presume the .pdf file is an 
attachment?) and read it like any other .pdf file on your hard drive?


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Re: PDF Adobe in SeaMonkey

[DoctorBill]

EE wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I often get Mail where a pdf file needs Adobe
reader to see it.
I have Adobe Reader, but it is not associated
with SM.
I have to click on the link that says I don't
have Adobe !  THEN it
loads.  Kind of clunky.

Is there a way to get the Adobe Reader "into" SM
or have it go there
automatically ?

I went to the Add-Ons for SM, but all I saw was
some thing about "Adobe
Dynamic Tag Managment (DTM)" at Mozilla.org


Not enough into jargon and the programming of SM
to understand this stuff.

Can someone enlighten me on this subject ?



Why not detach the attachment (I presume the .pdf
file is an attachment?) and read it like any other
.pdf file on your hard drive?

Often I don't know if I want to save the pdf file 
or not, so I would like the option to read it - 
then decide to save it or not.


Just my quirk.

DB
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Re: Mozilla PDF.js was PDF Adobe in SeaMonkey

[WaltS48]

On 11/28/2015 08:54 PM, Paul Bergsagel wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I often get Mail where a pdf file needs Adobe reader to see it.
I have Adobe Reader, but it is not associated with SM.
I have to click on the link that says I don't have Adobe !  THEN it
loads.  Kind of clunky.

Is there a way to get the Adobe Reader "into" SM or have it go there
automatically ?



What about the "PDF reader in Javascript" as a replacement for Adobe
Reader?

I found this from the Mozilla PDF.js web page:

"PDF.js is a Portable Document Format (PDF) viewer that is built with
HTML5.

PDF.js is community-driven and supported by Mozilla Labs. Our goal is to
create a general-purpose, web standards-based platform for parsing and
rendering PDFs."


Could PDF.js be a replacement for Adobe Reader?


Can and does replace Adobe Reader.

You will have to use the development version of pdf.js found at 
 under the Browser Extensions heading.


I didn't even have to tell Helper Applications to use it. It just worked.

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Mozilla PDF.js was PDF Adobe in SeaMonkey

[Paul Bergsagel]

DoctorBill wrote:

I often get Mail where a pdf file needs Adobe reader to see it.
I have Adobe Reader, but it is not associated with SM.
I have to click on the link that says I don't have Adobe !  THEN it
loads.  Kind of clunky.

Is there a way to get the Adobe Reader "into" SM or have it go there
automatically ?



What about the "PDF reader in Javascript" as a replacement for Adobe Reader?

I found this from the Mozilla PDF.js web page:

"PDF.js is a Portable Document Format (PDF) viewer that is built with HTML5.

PDF.js is community-driven and supported by Mozilla Labs. Our goal is to 
create a general-purpose, web standards-based platform for parsing and 
rendering PDFs."



Could PDF.js be a replacement for Adobe Reader?
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PDF Adobe in SeaMonkey

[DoctorBill]

I often get Mail where a pdf file needs Adobe 
reader to see it.

I have Adobe Reader, but it is not associated with SM.
I have to click on the link that says I don't have 
Adobe !  THEN it loads.  Kind of clunky.


Is there a way to get the Adobe Reader "into" SM 
or have it go there automatically ?


I went to the Add-Ons for SM, but all I saw was 
some thing about "Adobe Dynamic Tag Managment 
(DTM)" at Mozilla.org


Not enough into jargon and the programming of SM 
to understand this stuff.


Can someone enlighten me on this subject ?

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Re: PDF Adobe in SeaMonkey

[Paul B. Gallagher]

DoctorBill wrote:


I often get Mail where a pdf file needs Adobe reader to see it.
I have Adobe Reader, but it is not associated with SM.
I have to click on the link that says I don't have Adobe !  THEN it
loads.  Kind of clunky.

Is there a way to get the Adobe Reader "into" SM or have it go there
automatically ?

I went to the Add-Ons for SM, but all I saw was some thing about "Adobe
Dynamic Tag Managment (DTM)" at Mozilla.org

Not enough into jargon and the programming of SM to understand this stuff.

Can someone enlighten me on this subject ?


There are two basic approaches to this:

1) Save the attachment to your hard disk and open it from there. With 
Adobe Reader installed, Windows will already know how to handle PDFs.


2) Open the attachment in SeaMonkey. Right-click the filename in the 
attachment pane and choose "Open." If as you say SeaMonkey doesn't know 
how to handle PDFs, it will ask for instructions. When you choose Adobe 
Reader, check the box telling SM to do this every time it encounters a 
PDF and you'll be fine from then on.


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