Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey

[Myrddin R Emrys]

Additionally.. You can open the page which lets you choose which version to 
download as well..

https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

If I missed seeing it, sorry. Anyway, at this page you can select various 
distros of SeaMonkey.
Hope this helps.  Let us know.
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Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey

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On 12/27/20 2:59 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Ray Davison wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:


As Mark suggested,
- uninstall the 32-bit version (this is essential)
- install the 64-bit version
If you need to go back then you will have to uninstall the 64-bit 
and reinstall the 32-bit versions.


You can have as many versions of SM available on the HDD as you have 
space for.  I currently have ten. 


You *can* do that, provided you just unpack them from zip 
distributions and don't install using the .exe installer.
Since the first Netscape I have used nothing but ZIP distros.  And that 
includes SM, FF, TB, and all the derivatives.


Anyone with enough interest to get to this list has the ability to copy 
and rename the contents of a ZIP.  That way, you can put them anywhere 
you want, and name them anything you want




The SeaMonkey .exe installer doesn't have the ability to select a Custom 
installation like Firefox and Thunderbird have when you install them?


I can right-click on the Linux seamonkey-2.53.5.1.tar.bz2 file and 
select a destination to extract it in.


My SeaMonkey is installed in ~/Apps.

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Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey

[Ray Davison]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Ray Davison wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:


As Mark suggested,
- uninstall the 32-bit version (this is essential)
- install the 64-bit version
If you need to go back then you will have to uninstall the 64-bit and 
reinstall the 32-bit versions.


You can have as many versions of SM available on the HDD as you have 
space for.  I currently have ten. 


You *can* do that, provided you just unpack them from zip distributions 
and don't install using the .exe installer. 

Since the first Netscape I have used nothing but ZIP distros.  And that 
includes SM, FF, TB, and all the derivatives.


Anyone with enough interest to get to this list has the ability to copy 
and rename the contents of a ZIP.  That way, you can put them anywhere 
you want, and name them anything you want


If you currently have a 32 version and want to try a 64 version, give 
the 64 a copy of the 32 profile, it will do to it whatever is necessary, 
give the 64 a run object/shortcut, and you can run one, close it and run 
the other one, and see any differences, chose the one to keep.  See 
"no-mail" below.


"New" is not always better, sometimes it is broken.  I don't get rid of 
the old until I have decided I prefer the new.


Well, it might work given certain caveats, but switching back and forth 
between versions with a single profile is asking for trouble.


No, I am asking for information.  And Mozilla products provide the means 
to investigate and never have "trouble".

>
Most of the advice in the release notes is there for good reason. 


When you get the same boilerplate warning on every release, with little 
detail, you stop reading.  How about an up front list of new "traps" 
introduced in that version?  I completely missed the "notice" that 
bookmarks would be effected.


If you want to ignore the advice offered in the release notes and here 
(including by those involved in the development, which I'm not) that's 
up to you.  But if you run into strange issues you could be on your own 
when it comes to fixing them.  


"Fixing" a busted profile is nothing more than replacing it with one 
that works.  A simple batch file makes it trivial.  But I have a good 
file manager so I haven't bothered to create a recover batch file.  But 
I do have batch files to back up Profiles and mail - separately.


Running my SM currently opens to a profile menu containing three 
choices.  One is the profile that I only use with the current working 
version.  If anything happens to it I can replace it in a few seconds. 
And since it points to mail rather than containing it, breaking it does 
not effect mail files.


The second I call no-mail.  I have a hundred filters and sub-filters, 
and sometimes I might be doing something that would cause new mail to be 
routed to someplace I don't want it.


The third profile I call test.  It is a throwaway, I don't care if it 
gets "damaged".  I can currently use that one for any of the ten 
versions, and they all run well enough to do what I want at that time - 
which currently is trying to get anything past 2.49.5 to display ctrl-D 
properly.  So my current "test" profile has no addons.


Netscape may have given us the most user friendly program ever.  I just 
hope it stays that way.  So, while we have it, be brave, look under the 
covers a little.


Ray

PS

One thing we had but lost was the bookmarks pointer that allowed us to 
easily store bookmarks in a "safe" neutral location.  Yes, I can recover 
bookmarks, but protecting them is even better.





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Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Ray Davison wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:


As Mark suggested,
- uninstall the 32-bit version (this is essential)
- install the 64-bit version
If you need to go back then you will have to uninstall the 64-bit and 
reinstall the 32-bit versions.


You can have as many versions of SM available on the HDD as you have 
space for.  I currently have ten.  And, you can run them all from the 
same profile or each from it's own.


The only caveat is, some versions alter the profile so that it does not 
have the same information as the previous and so the previous version 
might not work as expected with a later profile.


This is more an issue now than in the past.  When SM went from 1X to 2X 
it was done "out loud", so we knew not to mix 1X and 2X.  And, it was 
done at a major break.  Back then I once ran twenty versions from the 
same profile while searching for the date and time of a bug insertion, 
with no issues.


Now those changes are done "quietly".  However, depending on what test 
run you are doing the change may not matter.  But if you want to run 
several versions from the same profile and not get bit by changes, it is 
easy to create a batch file to delete the profile and replace it from an 
archive.  A later version will make whatever changes it needs to a 
previous profile.  That includes missing pieces.  So you can give SM a 
piece of a profile and it will create the rest.


Oh yea, you do need to get the profile(s) away from he app and off 
somewhere in neutral territory and then point to them.  And, if you get 
mail files off in a third location, they will be protected from damage 
or loss.  And then a couple more batch files will easily back up 
profiles and mail to other locations making the whole thing bomb proof.


Ray





As Mark says, you can do that if you really really want to, but your 
purposes seem to go way beyond what most other people would ever think 
of doing.
In addition, John - the original poster of this thread - is obviously 
not looking to use Seamonkey the way you do.


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Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey

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Ray Davison wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:


As Mark suggested,
- uninstall the 32-bit version (this is essential)
- install the 64-bit version
If you need to go back then you will have to uninstall the 64-bit and 
reinstall the 32-bit versions.


You can have as many versions of SM available on the HDD as you have 
space for.  I currently have ten.  


You *can* do that, provided you just unpack them from zip distributions 
and don't install using the .exe installer.  On Windows, the installer 
registers some components with the system (mainly MAPI I think), and 
having more than one registered at the same time can cause problems.


And, you can run them all from the 
same profile or each from it's own.


The only caveat is, some versions alter the profile so that it does not 
have the same information as the previous and so the previous version 
might not work as expected with a later profile.


Well, it might work given certain caveats, but switching back and forth 
between versions with a single profile is asking for trouble.  There are 
some well-known changes made by newer versions which aren't backwards 
compatible.  There are several more changes which are less well-known 
and less significant or noticeable, but which can cause problems for 
certain use-cases.


Most of the advice in the release notes is there for good reason.  I 
have been known to deliberately go against it, on a separate test system 
so as not to break my day-to-day installation and profile, mainly out of 
curiosity as to what issues are avoided by non-intuitive 
recommendations.  e.g. the advice to remove the master password before 
upgrading between certain versions seems strange, and the upgrade does 
*seem* to work if you don't do that - but only under some conditions and 
there are cases where ignoring that advice can lose all your saved 
passwords - so if you don't want to risk losing them, it's best to 
follow the advice.


If you want to ignore the advice offered in the release notes and here 
(including by those involved in the development, which I'm not) that's 
up to you.  But if you run into strange issues you could be on your own 
when it comes to fixing them.  Those who need to ask about which 
versions can be used on their system and how to switch from one to the 
other should certainly be directed to the supported way, rather than 
unsupported suggestions which seem to work for some people.


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Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey

[Ray Davison]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:


As Mark suggested,
- uninstall the 32-bit version (this is essential)
- install the 64-bit version
If you need to go back then you will have to uninstall the 64-bit and 
reinstall the 32-bit versions.


You can have as many versions of SM available on the HDD as you have 
space for.  I currently have ten.  And, you can run them all from the 
same profile or each from it's own.


The only caveat is, some versions alter the profile so that it does not 
have the same information as the previous and so the previous version 
might not work as expected with a later profile.


This is more an issue now than in the past.  When SM went from 1X to 2X 
it was done "out loud", so we knew not to mix 1X and 2X.  And, it was 
done at a major break.  Back then I once ran twenty versions from the 
same profile while searching for the date and time of a bug insertion, 
with no issues.


Now those changes are done "quietly".  However, depending on what test 
run you are doing the change may not matter.  But if you want to run 
several versions from the same profile and not get bit by changes, it is 
easy to create a batch file to delete the profile and replace it from an 
archive.  A later version will make whatever changes it needs to a 
previous profile.  That includes missing pieces.  So you can give SM a 
piece of a profile and it will create the rest.


Oh yea, you do need to get the profile(s) away from he app and off 
somewhere in neutral territory and then point to them.  And, if you get 
mail files off in a third location, they will be protected from damage 
or loss.  And then a couple more batch files will easily back up 
profiles and mail to other locations making the whole thing bomb proof.


Ray





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Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Daniel wrote:

no...@nonospam.org wrote on 23/12/20 23:39:
When I go to https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ the "download now" 
always points to the Windows x86 version, in spite of the fact that I 
am running the 64 bit version of Windows 10 Pro.


Is it doing this because it recognizes my currently installed version 
is x86, or is there some other reason? In short, I'm wondering if 
there is any reason why I shouldn't be using the x64 version and what 
complications I might encounter with my existing profile if I try to 
make the switch.


Thanks!

John


John, as Mark has indicated, your User Agent string (Mozilla/5.0 
(Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 
SeaMonkey/2.53.5.1) is indicating that you are using a version of 
SeaMonkey that has been made to operate on a 32 bit Operating System 
(i.e. WOW64) that is actually running on a 64bit Physical RAM System.


As Mark suggests, back up your profile into a new location (you know, 
"just in case") then download the real 64bit SeaMonkey, install it 
somewhere different to your current WOW32 SM SeaMonkey installation and 
see if it will run at all on whatever your actual Operating System 32/64 
bit number is! ;-)


As Mark suggested,
- uninstall the 32-bit version (this is essential)
- install the 64-bit version
If you need to go back then you will have to uninstall the 64-bit and 
reinstall the 32-bit versions.


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Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey

[Daniel]

no...@nonospam.org wrote on 23/12/20 23:39:
When I go to https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ the "download now" 
always points to the Windows x86 version, in spite of the fact that I am 
running the 64 bit version of Windows 10 Pro.


Is it doing this because it recognizes my currently installed version is 
x86, or is there some other reason? In short, I'm wondering if there is 
any reason why I shouldn't be using the x64 version and what 
complications I might encounter with my existing profile if I try to 
make the switch.


Thanks!

John


John, as Mark has indicated, your User Agent string (Mozilla/5.0 
(Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 
SeaMonkey/2.53.5.1) is indicating that you are using a version of 
SeaMonkey that has been made to operate on a 32 bit Operating System 
(i.e. WOW64) that is actually running on a 64bit Physical RAM System.


As Mark suggests, back up your profile into a new location (you know, 
"just in case") then download the real 64bit SeaMonkey, install it 
somewhere different to your current WOW32 SM SeaMonkey installation and 
see if it will run at all on whatever your actual Operating System 32/64 
bit number is! ;-)

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.53.5.1 Build identifier: 20201115194905


Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey

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John wrote:
When I go to https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ the "download now" 
always points to the Windows x86 version, in spite of the fact that I am 
running the 64 bit version of Windows 10 Pro.


Is it doing this because it recognizes my currently installed version is 
x86, or is there some other reason? In short, I'm wondering if there is 
any reason why I shouldn't be using the x64 version and what 
complications I might encounter with my existing profile if I try to 
make the switch.


It's probably choosing to offer the x86 version based on the user-agent 
string provided by your browser, which indicates that your current 
browser is an x68 version.


If you have 4GB RAM or less, you're probably better of sticking to the 
x86 (32 bit) version, since there'll be little benefit to using the 64 
bit version.  If you have more than 4GB RAM, an x64 (64 bit) SeaMonkey 
will be able to make use of the additional RAM available.


It's worth reading through the release notes:


As noted there under "System Requirements, Installation and 
Uninstallation", when switching from a 32 bit version to a 64 bit 
version, you need to uninstall your current 32 bit version before 
installing the 64 bit version.  Your profile should not be affected by 
doing that, but it's always a good idea to back it up anyway before 
installing a different version just in case anything goes wrong.


From your user-agent it looks like you're already running 2.53.5.1, 
just the 32 bit rather than 64 bit version, so there shouldn't be any 
issues with profile compatibility.  However, if you are upgrading other 
installations from older versions, do check the related warnings in the 
release notes.  Particularly if upgrading from 2.49.5 or earlier, if you 
have set a "master password" you need to remove it before upgrading (you 
can set it again after the upgrade).  There are also a few issues with 
language packs from certain earlier versions.


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