Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Daniel]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 23/01/21 20:12:

Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 22/01/21 20:04:




Curious - I can see the posts in that thread.  Not just the headers, 
the content as well.
Now to your other hypothesis: I read/write these posts via Seamonkey 
Mail/News on the server news.mozilla.org.  My understanding is that 
this is the "primary", other News providers such as groups.google.com 
read and write to this server.


Yeap!! Same Same for me  and then there is the (whatever) function 
where you can receive all posts here in one great big daily e-mail! 
YUCK!! (IMHO, of course!!)


In Walt S48's first post yesterday he gave me a link to Google groups 
- it is in this mail, you did not snip it - and I confirmed to him - 
also in this mail, unsnipped - that his link worked and that the 
information I was looking for was there and had solved my problem.
In another of my posts in this thread I said that the mozilla.general 
newsgroup on the same server does not seem to suffer from the 
problem. There are actually more postings in Mozilla General than in 
this group although I filter+delete on several criteria there so I 
can't supply numbers.  Both are over 110 000.


I (recently) had to make a new account for this news server, so I show 
at 4,306 messages in moz.general verses 5,163 messages in moz.s.seamonkey


When you subscribe to a Newsgroup, the download is not initiated until 
you actually "go there".  If you then look at the "Server Settings for 
this account" you will see an option "Ask me before downloading more 
than 1500 messages".  In my experiments here I have started routinely 
disabling this option, even if you don't you can still say "I want them 
all" (or words to that effect).  It looks as though you have accepted 
some limit.
Of course it helps when you have a seriously fast internet connection, 
mine is something like 200Mb or 250Mb.


Yeah!! At the time, I had screwed up something with my old Moz.news 
account and hoped to fix it . eventually. Haven't gotten around to 
it yet!


Maybe, one day, I'll download all the missing threads!!
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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 22/01/21 20:04:

Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 22/01/21 08:44:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 3:29 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:




Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this 
thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may 
vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one 
where I have previously replied to this very post myself.




Any help?



I had to get to messages 391-420 from the main archive to find it.


Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.
Is this some deficiency with Seamonkey's handling of large 
Newsgroups or has someone started deleting old messages?  I don't 
remember this happening back when I was using 2.49.4.


Answering my own question, I don't have this problem with 
mozilla.general of any of the lower-traffic newsgroups I'm using on 
this server.  It looks to me as though mozilla.support.seamonkey has 
lost most of its history.


Don, if I set my SM 2.49.1 to View -> Threads -> All, I can see that, 
at 17:14 (my time) 06/08/19, you replied in a thread in this 
newsgroup titled "Seamonkey mail ebay". Can you not see this??


I'm guessing there is only so much storage allocated to each 
newsgroup and once that space is full the messages are over-written.


Hmm! Perhaps if we snipped better, the older threads would last 
longer!! ;-P


And then, just as I was snipping my post, I see a reference to 
groups.google.com, maybe their storage is lessor than what mozilla 
allocate!!


Curious - I can see the posts in that thread.  Not just the headers, 
the content as well.
Now to your other hypothesis: I read/write these posts via Seamonkey 
Mail/News on the server news.mozilla.org.  My understanding is that 
this is the "primary", other News providers such as groups.google.com 
read and write to this server.


Yeap!! Same Same for me  and then there is the (whatever) function 
where you can receive all posts here in one great big daily e-mail! 
YUCK!! (IMHO, of course!!)


In Walt S48's first post yesterday he gave me a link to Google groups 
- it is in this mail, you did not snip it - and I confirmed to him - 
also in this mail, unsnipped - that his link worked and that the 
information I was looking for was there and had solved my problem.
In another of my posts in this thread I said that the mozilla.general 
newsgroup on the same server does not seem to suffer from the problem. 
There are actually more postings in Mozilla General than in this group 
although I filter+delete on several criteria there so I can't supply 
numbers.  Both are over 110 000.


I (recently) had to make a new account for this news server, so I show 
at 4,306 messages in moz.general verses 5,163 messages in moz.s.seamonkey


When you subscribe to a Newsgroup, the download is not initiated until 
you actually "go there".  If you then look at the "Server Settings for 
this account" you will see an option "Ask me before downloading more 
than 1500 messages".  In my experiments here I have started routinely 
disabling this option, even if you don't you can still say "I want them 
all" (or words to that effect).  It looks as though you have accepted 
some limit.
Of course it helps when you have a seriously fast internet connection, 
mine is something like 200Mb or 250Mb.


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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Daniel]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 22/01/21 20:04:

Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 22/01/21 08:44:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 3:29 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:





Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one where 
I have previously replied to this very post myself.




Any help?



I had to get to messages 391-420 from the main archive to find it.


Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.
Is this some deficiency with Seamonkey's handling of large 
Newsgroups or has someone started deleting old messages?  I don't 
remember this happening back when I was using 2.49.4.


Answering my own question, I don't have this problem with 
mozilla.general of any of the lower-traffic newsgroups I'm using on 
this server.  It looks to me as though mozilla.support.seamonkey has 
lost most of its history.


Don, if I set my SM 2.49.1 to View -> Threads -> All, I can see that, 
at 17:14 (my time) 06/08/19, you replied in a thread in this newsgroup 
titled "Seamonkey mail ebay". Can you not see this??


I'm guessing there is only so much storage allocated to each newsgroup 
and once that space is full the messages are over-written.


Hmm! Perhaps if we snipped better, the older threads would last 
longer!! ;-P


And then, just as I was snipping my post, I see a reference to 
groups.google.com, maybe their storage is lessor than what mozilla 
allocate!!


Curious - I can see the posts in that thread.  Not just the headers, the 
content as well.
Now to your other hypothesis: I read/write these posts via Seamonkey 
Mail/News on the server news.mozilla.org.  My understanding is that this 
is the "primary", other News providers such as groups.google.com read 
and write to this server.


Yeap!! Same Same for me  and then there is the (whatever) function 
where you can receive all posts here in one great big daily e-mail! 
YUCK!! (IMHO, of course!!)


In Walt S48's first post yesterday he gave me 
a link to Google groups - it is in this mail, you did not snip it - and 
I confirmed to him - also in this mail, unsnipped - that his link worked 
and that the information I was looking for was there and had solved my 
problem.
In another of my posts in this thread I said that the mozilla.general 
newsgroup on the same server does not seem to suffer from the problem. 
There are actually more postings in Mozilla General than in this group 
although I filter+delete on several criteria there so I can't supply 
numbers.  Both are over 110 000.


I (recently) had to make a new account for this news server, so I show 
at 4,306 messages in moz.general verses 5,163 messages in moz.s.seamonkey

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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[WaltS48]

On 1/22/21 1:02 AM, Sjouke Burry wrote:

On 22.01.21 6:20, Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 22/01/21 08:44:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 3:29 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:





Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one where I
have previously replied to this very post myself.



Any help?



I had to get to messages 391-420 from the main archive to find it.


Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.
Is this some deficiency with Seamonkey's handling of large Newsgroups
or has someone started deleting old messages?  I don't remember this
happening back when I was using 2.49.4.


Answering my own question, I don't have this problem with
mozilla.general of any of the lower-traffic newsgroups I'm using on this
server.  It looks to me as though mozilla.support.seamonkey has lost
most of its history.


Don, if I set my SM 2.49.1 to View -> Threads -> All, I can see that, at
17:14 (my time) 06/08/19, you replied in a thread in this newsgroup
titled "Seamonkey mail ebay". Can you not see this??

I'm guessing there is only so much storage allocated to each newsgroup
and once that space is full the messages are over-written.

Hmm! Perhaps if we snipped better, the older threads would last 
longer!! ;-P


And then, just as I was snipping my post, I see a reference to
groups.google.com, maybe their storage is lessor than what mozilla
allocate!!


My provider has (almost) all newsgroups, but removes old messsages
after a few days(3-4?) (at news.planet.nl).
OP should check the rules for his provider,


AIUI the rule for news.mozilla.org is that no old messages are removed 
and are also archived on Google Groups.




The occasional post may get removed in a moderated forum if the posting 
rules are broken.




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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Don Spam's Thundering Son]

On 11/04/2020 13:02, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Mark B wrote:

Windows 10
SM 23.49.5

The SM Data Manager on my wife's machine isn't working right.  When 
it's called up, there's a long period of not allowing any entry in the 
'Search Domains' field, followed by more time where it says (Not 
Responding) when it goes dim, then after about 45 seconds, allowing 
entry in the 'Search Domains' field, and everything is working.  This 
happens every time it is called.


Any ideas?


 From the release notes 
:


If you experience a hang and/or get a message box that a script is 
busy when opening the Data Manager try deleting the webappsstore.* 
files from your profile folder when SeaMonkey is not running. These 
files contain data stored by web sites and will be recreated during 
the next start. If you are unsure if the information is needed please 
back up the files before deleting them. The problem is tracked in bug 
1305624 but so far no coding error has been found. This problem is 
been reported frequently when trying to manage passwords. But the 
problem will generally happen just after you open the Data Manager, 
because this component is also used for managing cookies, site 
preferences permissions and other settings.




Just to add to the confusion.
I have just installed Thunderbird and followed the same steps as I did 
yesterday in Seamonkey.
It works.  This is the posting I wanted to read, the one where WaltS48 
had to send me a link to google groups because Seamonkey timed out 
trying to open it.

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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 22/01/21 08:44:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 3:29 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:





Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one where 
I have previously replied to this very post myself.




Any help?



I had to get to messages 391-420 from the main archive to find it.


Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.
Is this some deficiency with Seamonkey's handling of large Newsgroups 
or has someone started deleting old messages?  I don't remember this 
happening back when I was using 2.49.4.


Answering my own question, I don't have this problem with 
mozilla.general of any of the lower-traffic newsgroups I'm using on 
this server.  It looks to me as though mozilla.support.seamonkey has 
lost most of its history.


Don, if I set my SM 2.49.1 to View -> Threads -> All, I can see that, at 
17:14 (my time) 06/08/19, you replied in a thread in this newsgroup 
titled "Seamonkey mail ebay". Can you not see this??


I'm guessing there is only so much storage allocated to each newsgroup 
and once that space is full the messages are over-written.


Hmm! Perhaps if we snipped better, the older threads would last longer!! 
;-P


And then, just as I was snipping my post, I see a reference to 
groups.google.com, maybe their storage is lessor than what mozilla 
allocate!!


Curious - I can see the posts in that thread.  Not just the headers, the 
content as well.
Now to your other hypothesis: I read/write these posts via Seamonkey 
Mail/News on the server news.mozilla.org.  My understanding is that this 
is the "primary", other News providers such as groups.google.com read 
and write to this server.  In Walt S48's first post yesterday he gave me 
a link to Google groups - it is in this mail, you did not snip it - and 
I confirmed to him - also in this mail, unsnipped - that his link worked 
and that the information I was looking for was there and had solved my 
problem.
In another of my posts in this thread I said that the mozilla.general 
newsgroup on the same server does not seem to suffer from the problem. 
There are actually more postings in Mozilla General than in this group 
although I filter+delete on several criteria there so I can't supply 
numbers.  Both are over 110 000.



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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 4:44 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 3:29 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Don Spam's Other Son wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Article not found

The newsgroup server reports that it can't find the article.

    Newsgroup server responded: no such article
    Perhaps the article has expired?
    Try searching for article: 
 (114862)


This is annoying as hell - I'm having a problem and want to look 
at older threads where other people look to have had the same 
problem. Nothing doing.


This is on a fresh profile with no filters at all, I said I wanted 
to download all headers but anything (?) older than mid June 2020 
is unavailable.


Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one where 
I have previously replied to this very post myself.




Any help?



I had to get to messages 391-420 from the main archive to find it.



Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.
Is this some deficiency with Seamonkey's handling of large Newsgroups 
or has someone started deleting old messages?  I don't remember this 
happening back when I was using 2.49.4.




Answering my own question, I don't have this problem with 
mozilla.general of any of the lower-traffic newsgroups I'm using on 
this server.  It looks to me as though mozilla.support.seamonkey has 
lost most of its history.




I would unsubscribe from the newsgroup, then subscribe again downloading 
as many headers as you would like.




If you look at one of my many previous posts in this thread, this (also) 
happens on a fresh profile with no filters.  I downloaded all headers.


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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Sjouke Burry]

On 22.01.21 6:20, Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 22/01/21 08:44:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 3:29 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:





Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one where I
have previously replied to this very post myself.



Any help?



I had to get to messages 391-420 from the main archive to find it.


Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.
Is this some deficiency with Seamonkey's handling of large Newsgroups
or has someone started deleting old messages?  I don't remember this
happening back when I was using 2.49.4.


Answering my own question, I don't have this problem with
mozilla.general of any of the lower-traffic newsgroups I'm using on this
server.  It looks to me as though mozilla.support.seamonkey has lost
most of its history.


Don, if I set my SM 2.49.1 to View -> Threads -> All, I can see that, at
17:14 (my time) 06/08/19, you replied in a thread in this newsgroup
titled "Seamonkey mail ebay". Can you not see this??

I'm guessing there is only so much storage allocated to each newsgroup
and once that space is full the messages are over-written.

Hmm! Perhaps if we snipped better, the older threads would last longer!! ;-P

And then, just as I was snipping my post, I see a reference to
groups.google.com, maybe their storage is lessor than what mozilla
allocate!!


My provider has (almost) all newsgroups, but removes old messsages
after a few days(3-4?) (at news.planet.nl).
OP should check the rules for his provider,
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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Daniel]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 22/01/21 08:44:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 3:29 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:





Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one where I 
have previously replied to this very post myself.




Any help?



I had to get to messages 391-420 from the main archive to find it.


Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.
Is this some deficiency with Seamonkey's handling of large Newsgroups 
or has someone started deleting old messages?  I don't remember this 
happening back when I was using 2.49.4.


Answering my own question, I don't have this problem with 
mozilla.general of any of the lower-traffic newsgroups I'm using on this 
server.  It looks to me as though mozilla.support.seamonkey has lost 
most of its history.


Don, if I set my SM 2.49.1 to View -> Threads -> All, I can see that, at 
17:14 (my time) 06/08/19, you replied in a thread in this newsgroup 
titled "Seamonkey mail ebay". Can you not see this??


I'm guessing there is only so much storage allocated to each newsgroup 
and once that space is full the messages are over-written.


Hmm! Perhaps if we snipped better, the older threads would last longer!! ;-P

And then, just as I was snipping my post, I see a reference to 
groups.google.com, maybe their storage is lessor than what mozilla 
allocate!!

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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[WaltS48]

On 1/21/21 4:44 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 3:29 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Don Spam's Other Son wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Article not found

The newsgroup server reports that it can't find the article.

    Newsgroup server responded: no such article
    Perhaps the article has expired?
    Try searching for article: 
 (114862)


This is annoying as hell - I'm having a problem and want to look at 
older threads where other people look to have had the same problem. 
Nothing doing.


This is on a fresh profile with no filters at all, I said I wanted 
to download all headers but anything (?) older than mid June 2020 
is unavailable.


Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one where I 
have previously replied to this very post myself.




Any help?



I had to get to messages 391-420 from the main archive to find it.



Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.
Is this some deficiency with Seamonkey's handling of large Newsgroups 
or has someone started deleting old messages?  I don't remember this 
happening back when I was using 2.49.4.




Answering my own question, I don't have this problem with 
mozilla.general of any of the lower-traffic newsgroups I'm using on this 
server.  It looks to me as though mozilla.support.seamonkey has lost 
most of its history.




I would unsubscribe from the newsgroup, then subscribe again downloading 
as many headers as you would like.


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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 3:29 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Don Spam's Other Son wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Article not found

The newsgroup server reports that it can't find the article.

    Newsgroup server responded: no such article
    Perhaps the article has expired?
    Try searching for article: 
 (114862)


This is annoying as hell - I'm having a problem and want to look at 
older threads where other people look to have had the same problem. 
Nothing doing.


This is on a fresh profile with no filters at all, I said I wanted 
to download all headers but anything (?) older than mid June 2020 is 
unavailable.


Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one where I 
have previously replied to this very post myself.




Any help?



I had to get to messages 391-420 from the main archive to find it.



Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.
Is this some deficiency with Seamonkey's handling of large Newsgroups or 
has someone started deleting old messages?  I don't remember this 
happening back when I was using 2.49.4.




Answering my own question, I don't have this problem with 
mozilla.general of any of the lower-traffic newsgroups I'm using on this 
server.  It looks to me as though mozilla.support.seamonkey has lost 
most of its history.


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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 3:29 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Don Spam's Other Son wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Article not found

The newsgroup server reports that it can't find the article.

    Newsgroup server responded: no such article
    Perhaps the article has expired?
    Try searching for article: 
 (114862)


This is annoying as hell - I'm having a problem and want to look at 
older threads where other people look to have had the same problem. 
Nothing doing.


This is on a fresh profile with no filters at all, I said I wanted to 
download all headers but anything (?) older than mid June 2020 is 
unavailable.


Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one where I 
have previously replied to this very post myself.




Any help?



I had to get to messages 391-420 from the main archive to find it.



Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.
Is this some deficiency with Seamonkey's handling of large Newsgroups or 
has someone started deleting old messages?  I don't remember this 
happening back when I was using 2.49.4.


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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[WaltS48]

On 1/21/21 3:29 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Don Spam's Other Son wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Article not found

The newsgroup server reports that it can't find the article.

    Newsgroup server responded: no such article
    Perhaps the article has expired?
    Try searching for article: 
 (114862)


This is annoying as hell - I'm having a problem and want to look at 
older threads where other people look to have had the same problem. 
Nothing doing.


This is on a fresh profile with no filters at all, I said I wanted to 
download all headers but anything (?) older than mid June 2020 is 
unavailable.


Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one where I 
have previously replied to this very post myself.




Any help?



I had to get to messages 391-420 from the main archive to find it.

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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Don Spam's Other Son wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Article not found

The newsgroup server reports that it can't find the article.

    Newsgroup server responded: no such article
    Perhaps the article has expired?
    Try searching for article: 
 (114862)


This is annoying as hell - I'm having a problem and want to look at 
older threads where other people look to have had the same problem. 
Nothing doing.


This is on a fresh profile with no filters at all, I said I wanted to 
download all headers but anything (?) older than mid June 2020 is 
unavailable.


Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one where I 
have previously replied to this very post myself.


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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Don Spam's Other Son]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Article not found

The newsgroup server reports that it can't find the article.

Newsgroup server responded: no such article
Perhaps the article has expired?
Try searching for article:  
(114862)


This is annoying as hell - I'm having a problem and want to look at 
older threads where other people look to have had the same problem. 
Nothing doing.


This is on a fresh profile with no filters at all, I said I wanted to 
download all headers but anything (?) older than mid June 2020 is 
unavailable.

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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[jcteyssier1]

Le dimanche 12 avril 2020 10:36:19 UTC+2, Ray_Net a écrit :
> jcteyssi...@gmail.com wrote on 12-04-20 10:32:
> >> My existing webappsstore.sqlite file was 35 MB. After deleting it, it was 
> >> recreated at only 32 KB.
> >>
> >> Now the data manager works again -- the way it did many years ago!
> > I have a look to this file in my profile: it is actually 58 MB; located on 
> > a network drive ans all seems working well. So size should be not the only 
> > problem, your wife profile file was probably corrupted.
> > By the way, i suspect antivirus and/or firewall to analyze it intensively: 
> > this can lead ti previous problem (45 second delay)
> > I notice that from time to time (say once a week) Seamonkey (since win 10, 
> > never occur with win 7) takes more than 5 minutes to open... (running in 
> > application manager but no window appear, have to wait. In large majority 
> > of time, it open relatively quickly for a profile located on network drive 
> > (about 4 or 5 seconds)
> >
> > Jean-Charles
> 
> 
> What happens if we remove this file:
> 
> webappsstore.sqlite ?

Do not know. Actuality it works for me so no need to remove (removing will 
probably result in loosing some stored information)
Starting yesterday, after one "long tie to wait" - more than 10 minute! -to 
Seamonkey appear, i find in defender the possibility to deactivate it for some 
process (firewall exception): i add Seamonkey to exception. Wait and see if it 
cure this problem.

Jean-Charles
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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Ray_Net]

jcteyssi...@gmail.com wrote on 12-04-20 10:32:

My existing webappsstore.sqlite file was 35 MB. After deleting it, it was 
recreated at only 32 KB.

Now the data manager works again -- the way it did many years ago!

I have a look to this file in my profile: it is actually 58 MB; located on a 
network drive ans all seems working well. So size should be not the only 
problem, your wife profile file was probably corrupted.
By the way, i suspect antivirus and/or firewall to analyze it intensively: this 
can lead ti previous problem (45 second delay)
I notice that from time to time (say once a week) Seamonkey (since win 10, 
never occur with win 7) takes more than 5 minutes to open... (running in 
application manager but no window appear, have to wait. In large majority of 
time, it open relatively quickly for a profile located on network drive (about 
4 or 5 seconds)

Jean-Charles



What happens if we remove this file:

webappsstore.sqlite ?

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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[jcteyssier1]

> My existing webappsstore.sqlite file was 35 MB. After deleting it, it was 
> recreated at only 32 KB.
> 
> Now the data manager works again -- the way it did many years ago!
I have a look to this file in my profile: it is actually 58 MB; located on a 
network drive ans all seems working well. So size should be not the only 
problem, your wife profile file was probably corrupted.
By the way, i suspect antivirus and/or firewall to analyze it intensively: this 
can lead ti previous problem (45 second delay)
I notice that from time to time (say once a week) Seamonkey (since win 10, 
never occur with win 7) takes more than 5 minutes to open... (running in 
application manager but no window appear, have to wait. In large majority of 
time, it open relatively quickly for a profile located on network drive (about 
4 or 5 seconds)

Jean-Charles
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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Mark B]

Bill Spikowski wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Mark B wrote:

Windows 10
SM 23.49.5

The SM Data Manager on my wife's machine isn't working right.  When 
it's called up, there's a long period of not allowing any entry in 
the 'Search Domains' field, followed by more time where it says (Not 
Responding) when it goes dim, then after about 45 seconds, allowing 
entry in the 'Search Domains' field, and everything is working.  This 
happens every time it is called.


Any ideas?


 From the release notes 
:


If you experience a hang and/or get a message box that a script is 
busy when opening the Data Manager try deleting the webappsstore.* 
files from your profile folder when SeaMonkey is not running. These 
files contain data stored by web sites and will be recreated during 
the next start. If you are unsure if the information is needed please 
back up the files before deleting them. The problem is tracked in bug 
1305624 but so far no coding error has been found. This problem is 
been reported frequently when trying to manage passwords. But the 
problem will generally happen just after you open the Data Manager, 
because this component is also used for managing cookies, site 
preferences permissions and other settings.






THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT THIS TIP!

My existing webappsstore.sqlite file was 35 MB. After deleting it, it 
was recreated at only 32 KB.


Now the data manager works again -- the way it did many years ago!


Updating her machine to 2.53.1 then deleting webappsstore.sqlite and 
restarting SM seems to have fixed the problem for now.


Thanks to all for the help.
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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Bill Spikowski]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Mark B wrote:

Windows 10
SM 23.49.5

The SM Data Manager on my wife's machine isn't working right.  When it's called 
up, there's a long period of not allowing any entry in the 'Search Domains' 
field, followed by more time where it says (Not Responding) when it goes dim, 
then after about 45 seconds, allowing entry in the 'Search Domains' field, and 
everything is working.  This happens every time it is called.

Any ideas?


 From the release notes 
:


If you experience a hang and/or get a message box that a script is busy when 
opening the Data Manager try deleting the webappsstore.* files from your 
profile folder when SeaMonkey is not running. These files contain data stored 
by web sites and will be recreated during the next start. If you are unsure if 
the information is needed please back up the files before deleting them. The 
problem is tracked in bug 1305624 but so far no coding error has been found. 
This problem is been reported frequently when trying to manage passwords. But 
the problem will generally happen just after you open the Data Manager, because 
this component is also used for managing cookies, site preferences permissions 
and other settings.






THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT THIS TIP!

My existing webappsstore.sqlite file was 35 MB. After deleting it, it was 
recreated at only 32 KB.

Now the data manager works again -- the way it did many years ago!
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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[mozilla-lists . mbourne]

Mark B wrote:

Windows 10
SM 23.49.5

The SM Data Manager on my wife's machine isn't working right.  When it's 
called up, there's a long period of not allowing any entry in the 
'Search Domains' field, followed by more time where it says (Not 
Responding) when it goes dim, then after about 45 seconds, allowing 
entry in the 'Search Domains' field, and everything is working.  This 
happens every time it is called.


Any ideas?


From the release notes 
:



If you experience a hang and/or get a message box that a script is busy when 
opening the Data Manager try deleting the webappsstore.* files from your 
profile folder when SeaMonkey is not running. These files contain data stored 
by web sites and will be recreated during the next start. If you are unsure if 
the information is needed please back up the files before deleting them. The 
problem is tracked in bug 1305624 but so far no coding error has been found. 
This problem is been reported frequently when trying to manage passwords. But 
the problem will generally happen just after you open the Data Manager, because 
this component is also used for managing cookies, site preferences permissions 
and other settings.


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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Mark B wrote:

Windows 10
SM 23.49.5

The SM Data Manager on my wife's machine isn't working right.  When it's 
called up, there's a long period of not allowing any entry in the 
'Search Domains' field, followed by more time where it says (Not 
Responding) when it goes dim, then after about 45 seconds, allowing 
entry in the 'Search Domains' field, and everything is working.  This 
happens every time it is called.


Any ideas?


I have 2.49.4 on this machine, another one with 2.49.5 behaves similarly.
My experience with Data Manager is that it takes a while to start - 
probably because it is setting up a "view" or two - but then works fine. 
 The big difference is that yours takes a lot longer.  I just timed it 
here and came up with a figure of 7-8 seconds, this is not enough to 
trigger the "Not Responding" either.

Looking at my profile:
- cookies.sqlite is 2MB
- kinto.sqlite is 2MB (what is THAT?)
- permissions.sqlite is 1MB and a year old
- places.sqlite is almost 42MB
- webappstore.sqlite is 44MB and probably irrelevant here
Everything else is either old or smaller.
My machine has enough processor capacity and enough memory (8GB). My 
data is on a rotating disc rather than an SSD, an SSD would presumably 
be much faster.


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