Re: vertical scroll bar
On 5/3/12 6:43 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On 03/05/2012 23:17, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance Change that from 3 to 1 Phil That has no effect for SeaMonkey 2.9.1. Both the keyboard arrow keys and the arrow buttons at the top and bottom of the vertical scroll bar cause scrolling by 3 or more lines. This is another change to the user interface in Gecko or Toolkit that did not address any actual software error. Furthermore, I do not believe any users really requested this. Instead, the developers apparently did this to make Mozilla browsers more like IE, Chrome, and Opera. If I wanted a browser more like one of those, I would download and install it. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: vertical scroll bar
David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 6:43 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On 03/05/2012 23:17, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance Change that from 3 to 1 Phil That has no effect for SeaMonkey 2.9.1. Both the keyboard arrow keys and the arrow buttons at the top and bottom of the vertical scroll bar cause scrolling by 3 or more lines. This is another change to the user interface in Gecko or Toolkit that did not address any actual software error. Furthermore, I do not believe any users really requested this. Instead, the developers apparently did this to make Mozilla browsers more like IE, Chrome, and Opera. If I wanted a browser more like one of those, I would download and install it. I think they have been right doing that, I have puzzled eg. with Opera on /openbox/ in *fedora16* and did not download /chrome/ yet. The 2.8 version on *fedora16* is really weird, look at hhtp://vinkesteijn.info/Screenshot.png Why does it ask me to load in languages all the time?!? So I stay on using the latest build versions, now 2.12a1 and it all the updates go automatically, on Windows7 I am very carefull, because I do not have a good virus protection yet there. Why not, would you ask, because I have MD and my daughter, Miriam (like my son David has also an american passport), takes care of all my finances, a MD patient can from time to time telephone too much and has not enough selfcontrol to have a creditcard and just buy a good virusprotector, like I did in 2010, the year my southern baptist mother Annie (yes! not kidding) died on euthanasia in my arms. Miriam has a very friendly black labrador, good trained well behaved. But MD is a genetic decease you might think. My kids, however, have had a very tough growing up with a very good mother: Margo Van Den Ende Mol, born Meier and her father, Klaas Van Den Ende, was wrong during the second worldwar (he served with the Military Police, Marechaussee). Something like that was the case with my father. So, now I bothered you with my own secrets, sorry about that sincerely -- ~Vink ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: vertical scroll bar
On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: vertical scroll bar
On 5/3/12 8:17 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. I have submitted bug #751582. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751582. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: vertical scroll bar
David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 8:17 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. I have submitted bug #751582. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751582. Seems to be ok in the Mac version, but what I have noticed is that in my installations with OS 10.6.8 (SnoLep) using the SM Modern Theme that sometimes the window scroll *arrows* are not displayed on launch even though the rest of the window(s) are displayed normally - closing SM and relaunching usually solves the issue and gets me the scroll arrows displayed (and working) as they should be. I think they're supposed to be removed under 10.7.3 (Lion), but I'm not 100% certain of that - I know I don't get them in Finder widows...and I'm not happy with Lion about that. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: vertical scroll bar
On 03/05/2012 23:17, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance Change that from 3 to 1 Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: vertical scroll bar
On 04/05/2012 09:43, Philip Chee wrote: On 03/05/2012 23:17, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance Change that from 3 to 1 Ah you're talking about the scrollbar buttons. In that case it's Bug 751476 - The vertical scrollbar's buttons should respect toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751476 Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: vertical scroll bar
Philip Chee wrote: On 04/05/2012 09:43, Philip Chee wrote: On 03/05/2012 23:17, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance Change that from 3 to 1 Ah you're talking about the scrollbar buttons. In that case it's Bug 751476 - The vertical scrollbar's buttons should respect toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751476 Phil I've added comment 3 to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751582, as I'm seeing down arrow variations in SM 2.8. -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: vertical scroll bar
On 05/03/2012 06:43 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On 03/05/2012 23:17, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/3/12 5:44 AM, Ken wrote: Since either SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 I noticed that the vertical scroll bar buttons move the page up or down about three lines rather than a single line. Is there a setting I can make that will allow the page to move only one line when the buttons are clicked upon with the mouse? I am NOT talking about the scroll wheel on the mouse, but the up and down buttons at each end of the vertical scroll bar. Thanks. Aha! It's not me! It's SeaMonkey. I thought something was strange when I scrolled. The same thing is happening with the scroll bar slider. I can no longer scroll just one line. toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance Change that from 3 to 1 Phil You invent that in 2.9.x, or did you it manually? I find no 'toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance' in SeaMonkey 2.9.1 or FireFox 12. Perhaps it was/is in the version that you are reporting using? User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.20pre) Gecko/20110606 Lightning/1.0b2pre SeaMonkey/2.0.15pre Not likely. But I did find it in 'FireFox 14.0a1 (2012-03-24)'. And checking https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751476 I see: In Firefox 13+, if you set toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance to 1, the... If you are going to comment on an issue for SeaMonkey version 2.9 or 2.9.1 as the OP is discussing, then it would be quite helpful if you commented on the version discussed. Perhaps these are related? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751476 The vertical scrollbar's buttons should respect toolkit.scrollbox.verticalScrollDistance But if we check back a little further (follow the other referenced bug reports): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635645 [consider increasing the amount of scrolling performed by using the arrow keys] (Starting from comment 15 is interesting/telling...) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725700 [Keyboard arrow keys and scrollbar buttons should have consistent scrolling distances] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710373 [Pressing the vertical slider down arrow with smooth scrolling should move three lines instead of one] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=scrollbar+buttons It would be interesting to do a relation tree to all of these... Mozilla coordination efforts. And, no, I'm not wagging fingers at you and/or the SeaMonkey Volunteers. I think you guys do a fantastic job appreciate the effort (especially every 6 weeks :-). However, I do often find it fasinating tracking an issue from one reported, to the duplicate of this bug, to Please take this to the support forum or newsgroup. This is a verified fixed bug and commenting here unnecessarily spams a number of people who could be getting actual work done. etc. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
