Re: Really HATE the accelerated release cycle
>JeffM wrote: >>Slashdot commenters mentioned several times >>http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/06/27/1442205/Firefox-Is-For-Regular-Users-Not-Businesses >>that Gecko needs a Long-Term Support version >>(a concept that Ubuntu has used successfully since June 2006, >>where security patches are backported for 3 years). >> Robert Kaiser wrote: >Feel free to provide one. We are an open source community project. > I'm not in corporate IT, so while I find the debating points interesting, my sympathies rarely follow the concerns of corporations. I can see the corps' point re: churn, but, frankly, if they made their junk W3C-compliant and followed other existing *standards*, their testing chores would be much lighter. As to the significant numbers of corps who are still running ActiveX apps on their intranets, I say let them continue to run Internet Exploder 6 until they choke to death on M$'s crap. They obviously don't give a damn anyway when it comes to doing things the right way. I'd rather that those types not even think about using Gecko. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Really HATE the accelerated release cycle
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:16:38 -0400, Cruz, Jaime wrote: > The add-on authors seem to be having difficulties keeping up with the > upgrade cycle, and several add-ons I count on aren't yet compatible with > 2.2 (they just BARELY got compatibility with 2.1). This really is a > STUPID decision on the part of the Mozilla organization. > > And now I've got this damn thing nagging me to upgrade when I CAN'T yet. > > Time to start looking at Opera and/or Chrome if this nonsense keeps up. Yes, I've had three problems with FF, all of which *seem* to have been cured by removing openSUSE add-ons and branding. All seems rather unnecessary work for the user. What really irritates me is all this rush to add new features when there are plenty of problems lying around needing to be fixed. Get the basics working before adding more stuff and running the risk of introducing more bugs. One TB bug I was tracking, and am still getting the odd bugzilla e- mail about, dates back to the last millennium! We don't all want bleeding-edge software, we want reliability. Mind you, when looking for alternatives, they all seem to have big problems and TB/FF may be the least worst of the bunch. -- Graham Davis, UK User of Mozillarish stuff since Netscape 1.2N. Running KDE 4.6.5 on openSUSE 11.4. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Really HATE the accelerated release cycle
JeffM schrieb: Slashdot commenters mentioned several times http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/06/27/1442205/Firefox-Is-For-Regular-Users-Not-Businesses that Gecko needs a Long-Term Support version (a concept that Ubuntu has used successfully since June 2006, where security patches are backported for 3 years). Feel free to provide one. We are an open source community project. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Really HATE the accelerated release cycle
Cecil Bankston wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: Cecil Bankston wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: The add-on authors seem to be having difficulties keeping up with the upgrade cycle, and several add-ons I count on aren't yet compatible with 2.2 (they just BARELY got compatibility with 2.1). This really is a STUPID decision on the part of the Mozilla organization. And now I've got this damn thing nagging me to upgrade when I CAN'T yet. Time to start looking at Opera and/or Chrome if this nonsense keeps up. So far all the addons I use have installed and worked normally after a simple edit of the maxVersion value in the install.rdf files in their xpi installation archives. When you browse to the web page for the addon, just right-click the link for the installer and choose "Save link target as" to save the xpi file to your computer instead of left-clicking to install it. With 7-Zip it's easy to open the archive (xpi), edit the install.rdf, and add the edited version back to the archive. Then just double-click the edited xpi to get SeaMonkey to install it. Doesn't help with IETab+. It's got a plug-in that flat out refuses to work under 2.2. Funny thing is, the Add-on shows as "compatible," but it just doesn't work. When I upgraded from 2.0 to 2.1 the install.rdf trick worked. I now have the version that OFFICIALLY supports 2.1, but it doesn't work at all under 2.2. I use IETab + v2.03.20110625. It appears to work perfectly in my SM 2.2. That's the one I have, but the instant I tried to access one of my "IE-only" websites, I got a "IETab Plug In Failed" screen displayed. Reinstalling 2.1 fixed it. -- Jaime A. Cruz President Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club http://www.nassauwings.org/ AMA District 34 http://www.AMADistrict34.com/ Pop's Run http://www.popsrun.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Really HATE the accelerated release cycle
Cruz, Jaime wrote: >The add-on authors seem to be having difficulties >keeping up with the upgrade cycle, > Asa Dotzler (who is not authorized to speak for Mozilla) made a comment that caused even more corps to dump Firefox. (Having to test for breakage before deploying then test AGAIN soon afterwards has corporate users really pissed.) Slashdot commenters mentioned several times http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/06/27/1442205/Firefox-Is-For-Regular-Users-Not-Businesses that Gecko needs a Long-Term Support version (a concept that Ubuntu has used successfully since June 2006, where security patches are backported for 3 years). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Really HATE the accelerated release cycle
Cruz, Jaime wrote: Cecil Bankston wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: The add-on authors seem to be having difficulties keeping up with the upgrade cycle, and several add-ons I count on aren't yet compatible with 2.2 (they just BARELY got compatibility with 2.1). This really is a STUPID decision on the part of the Mozilla organization. And now I've got this damn thing nagging me to upgrade when I CAN'T yet. Time to start looking at Opera and/or Chrome if this nonsense keeps up. So far all the addons I use have installed and worked normally after a simple edit of the maxVersion value in the install.rdf files in their xpi installation archives. When you browse to the web page for the addon, just right-click the link for the installer and choose "Save link target as" to save the xpi file to your computer instead of left-clicking to install it. With 7-Zip it's easy to open the archive (xpi), edit the install.rdf, and add the edited version back to the archive. Then just double-click the edited xpi to get SeaMonkey to install it. Doesn't help with IETab+. It's got a plug-in that flat out refuses to work under 2.2. Funny thing is, the Add-on shows as "compatible," but it just doesn't work. When I upgraded from 2.0 to 2.1 the install.rdf trick worked. I now have the version that OFFICIALLY supports 2.1, but it doesn't work at all under 2.2. I use IETab + v2.03.20110625. It appears to work perfectly in my SM 2.2. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Really HATE the accelerated release cycle
Cecil Bankston wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: The add-on authors seem to be having difficulties keeping up with the upgrade cycle, and several add-ons I count on aren't yet compatible with 2.2 (they just BARELY got compatibility with 2.1). This really is a STUPID decision on the part of the Mozilla organization. And now I've got this damn thing nagging me to upgrade when I CAN'T yet. Time to start looking at Opera and/or Chrome if this nonsense keeps up. So far all the addons I use have installed and worked normally after a simple edit of the maxVersion value in the install.rdf files in their xpi installation archives. When you browse to the web page for the addon, just right-click the link for the installer and choose "Save link target as" to save the xpi file to your computer instead of left-clicking to install it. With 7-Zip it's easy to open the archive (xpi), edit the install.rdf, and add the edited version back to the archive. Then just double-click the edited xpi to get SeaMonkey to install it. Doesn't help with IETab+. It's got a plug-in that flat out refuses to work under 2.2. Funny thing is, the Add-on shows as "compatible," but it just doesn't work. When I upgraded from 2.0 to 2.1 the install.rdf trick worked. I now have the version that OFFICIALLY supports 2.1, but it doesn't work at all under 2.2. -- Jaime A. Cruz President Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club http://www.nassauwings.org/ AMA District 34 http://www.AMADistrict34.com/ Pop's Run http://www.popsrun.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Really HATE the accelerated release cycle
Cruz, Jaime wrote: The add-on authors seem to be having difficulties keeping up with the upgrade cycle, and several add-ons I count on aren't yet compatible with 2.2 (they just BARELY got compatibility with 2.1). This really is a STUPID decision on the part of the Mozilla organization. And now I've got this damn thing nagging me to upgrade when I CAN'T yet. Time to start looking at Opera and/or Chrome if this nonsense keeps up. It's really just a scheduling/accounting game...we do the same thing with software builds where I work - nearly identical, and we laugh every time a decimal point gets added where one wasn't "planned". That's why I said it was "so familiar it hurt". You just need to keep up add-ons manually until everything settles out, I'd wager. And part of my reasoning for not even looking at it until about release 2.3 just based on what I've been reading here. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Really HATE the accelerated release cycle
Cruz, Jaime wrote: The add-on authors seem to be having difficulties keeping up with the upgrade cycle, and several add-ons I count on aren't yet compatible with 2.2 (they just BARELY got compatibility with 2.1). This really is a STUPID decision on the part of the Mozilla organization. And now I've got this damn thing nagging me to upgrade when I CAN'T yet. Time to start looking at Opera and/or Chrome if this nonsense keeps up. So far all the addons I use have installed and worked normally after a simple edit of the maxVersion value in the install.rdf files in their xpi installation archives. When you browse to the web page for the addon, just right-click the link for the installer and choose "Save link target as" to save the xpi file to your computer instead of left-clicking to install it. With 7-Zip it's easy to open the archive (xpi), edit the install.rdf, and add the edited version back to the archive. Then just double-click the edited xpi to get SeaMonkey to install it. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Really HATE the accelerated release cycle
The add-on authors seem to be having difficulties keeping up with the upgrade cycle, and several add-ons I count on aren't yet compatible with 2.2 (they just BARELY got compatibility with 2.1). This really is a STUPID decision on the part of the Mozilla organization. And now I've got this damn thing nagging me to upgrade when I CAN'T yet. Time to start looking at Opera and/or Chrome if this nonsense keeps up. -- Jaime A. Cruz President Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club http://www.nassauwings.org/ AMA District 34 http://www.AMADistrict34.com/ Pop's Run http://www.popsrun.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
