Re: Region Blocking?
On Sat, 28 May 2011 09:14:57 -0400, in message mailman.1304.1306588726.9060.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org d...@kd4e.com wrote: So, other than some thuggish regime blocking free political speech the only reason an IP would be blocked by region would be to protect a copyright? No. 1. only reason ... would be to protect a copyright ... ? Please read my previous message where I also mention trademarks. Copyright is a major reason, but major is not the same as only. 2. blocking free political speech ... ? What is blocked can often be something else. 2.1 Family friendly ISPs block pornography. 2.2 The Protect IP bill before the US Congress would block sites which are dedicated to infringing activities. 3. regime blocking ... ? This case does not fit the facts you describe. 3.1 What you would see will not say not available in your region. 3.2 Such regimes do not care about your browser's IP address. COuld a poorly designed and/or implemented spam filter cause this as well? Email spam filtering will not cause this. A net nanny type web filter may block what you can see, but it will not say not available in your region. I have seen lists of countries that may be blocked in filters - based on a presumption of unusually high rates of spam - I think they were in filters designed for children where the children would be unlikely to have any need for access to those countries. The only spam I have received so far this week (phishing spam) has a bogus-Paypal URL which really goes to a Verizon customer in Dallas, Texas, USA. Filters to identify spam by URLs in the email, still filter only emails. They are not web browser filters; they do not prevent you pasting a BBC URL into your web browser. -- Kind regards Ralph ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Region Blocking?
On Fri, 27 May 2011 23:55:47 -0400, in message mailman.1288.1306555164.9060.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org d...@kd4e.com wrote: The Internet is usually thought of as without boundaries, except where renegade thuggish nations manipulate their captive populations by manipulating information. So, I have been surprised from time to time when I am on a site in Europe or elsewhere and get an error saying that some resource is not available in my region. Is there a way to make a Web browser region-neutral? Are these sites looking at the IP address or something in the browser identification? The sites are looking at your IP address. It is not your browser identification. Take your laptop and browser, and fly around the world from country to country. You will see it varies with where you are. I'm just curious, I don't want to do anything illegal, but if there is a legal way it would be nice. I don't have an example other than the BBC in UK did this when I went to look at a Doctor Who show - I am guessing that is a contract-thing where other regiond get delayed viewing. I get that - but it is what reminded me of this anomaly. That might explain it. In the past it has been a document related to the operation or repair of an old radio or piece of test gear - not likely a matter of modern video licensing. They may be publishing a copyrighted document under licence, and someone else has the publishing rights in other countries. The same can also happen with trade marks. -- Kind regards Ralph ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Region Blocking?
So, other than some thuggish regime blocking free political speech the only reason an IP would be blocked by region would be to protect a copyright? COuld a poorly designed and/or implemented spam filter cause this as well? I have seen lists of countries that may be blocked in filters - based on a presumption of unusually high rates of spam - I think they were in filters designed for children where the children would be unlikely to have any need for access to those countries. Ralph Fox wrote: The sites are looking at your IP address. It is not your browser identification. Take your laptop and browser, and fly around the world from country to country. You will see it varies with where you are. They may be publishing a copyrighted document under licence, and someone else has the publishing rights in other countries. The same can also happen with trade marks. -- Thanks! 73, KD4E David Colburn http://kd4e.com Have an http://ultrafidian.com day I don't google I SEARCH! STARTPAGE.com Shop Freedom-Friendly http://kd4e.com/of.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Region Blocking?
Interviewed by CNN on 28/05/2011 00:55, d...@kd4e.com told the world: The Internet is usually thought of as without boundaries, except where renegade thuggish nations manipulate their captive populations by manipulating information. So, I have been surprised from time to time when I am on a site in Europe or elsewhere and get an error saying that some resource is not available in my region. If you are going to fling epithets liberally, I might point out that some sites in the United States also deny content to foreigners. Hulu.com being a prime example. Again, licensing is probably the cause: Hulu has licenses to exhibit the material in the U.S., but not abroad. Copyright may be also a problem, because different countries used to have different copyright laws (nowadays they are very similar, following the Berne Convention). Particularly, the U.S. used to have a 28 years from register, renewable once system, while Berne convention countries had a till 60 years after author's death, no registration needed system. So, something could have an expired copyright in one country, but be still under copyright abroad. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my NeXT Cube. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.0.14 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Region Blocking?
Thanks for the info. No epithets are being flung liberally. Blocking for legitimate copyright protection makes good business sense and is not anti-freedom. Blocking citizen access to news, in order to cover-up corruption and repression by a tyrannical regime, is an entirely different matter. Would you not agree? MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 28/05/2011 00:55, d...@kd4e.com told the world: The Internet is usually thought of as without boundaries, except where renegade thuggish nations manipulate their captive populations by manipulating information. So, I have been surprised from time to time when I am on a site in Europe or elsewhere and get an error saying that some resource is not available in my region. If you are going to fling epithets liberally, I might point out that some sites in the United States also deny content to foreigners. Hulu.com being a prime example. Again, licensing is probably the cause: Hulu has licenses to exhibit the material in the U.S., but not abroad. Copyright may be also a problem, because different countries used to have different copyright laws (nowadays they are very similar, following the Berne Convention). Particularly, the U.S. used to have a 28 years from register, renewable once system, while Berne convention countries had a till 60 years after author's death, no registration needed system. So, something could have an expired copyright in one country, but be still under copyright abroad. -- Thanks! 73, KD4E David Colburn http://kd4e.com Have an http://ultrafidian.com day I don't google I SEARCH! STARTPAGE.com Shop Freedom-Friendly http://kd4e.com/of.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Region Blocking?
doc@ kd4e.com wrote: I have been surprised from time to time when I am on a site in Europe or elsewhere and get an error saying that some resource is not available in my region. http://google.com/search?tbs=dfn:1q=proxy-server MCBastos wrote: [...]the U.S. used to have a 28 years from register, renewable once system *Originally*, it was 14 years with a near-automatic 14-year renewal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Act_of_1790 That works out to about 1 generation, which probably seemed about right 2+ centuries ago. (I think the trend in lengths has gone in the wrong direction.) I note also that you could NOT get a renewal if you were dead. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Region Blocking?
The Internet is usually thought of as without boundaries, except where renegade thuggish nations manipulate their captive populations by manipulating information. So, I have been surprised from time to time when I am on a site in Europe or elsewhere and get an error saying that some resource is not available in my region. Is there a way to make a Web browser region-neutral? Are these sites looking at the IP address or something in the browser identification? I'm just curious, I don't want to do anything illegal, but if there is a legal way it would be nice. I don't have an example other than the BBC in UK did this when I went to look at a Doctor Who show - I am guessing that is a contract-thing where other regiond get delayed viewing. I get that - but it is what reminded me of this anomaly. In the past it has been a document related to the operation or repair of an old radio or piece of test gear - not likely a matter of modern video licensing. WDYT? -- Thanks! 73, KD4E David Colburn http://kd4e.com Have an http://ultrafidian.com day I don't google I SEARCH! STARTPAGE.com Shop Freedom-Friendly http://kd4e.com/of.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
