Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
On 9 avr, 02:10, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote: Ok, who's bright idea was this? Right clicking a link in 2.1b2 brings up: o Open Link in a New Window o Open Link in a New Tab 2.1b3 brings up: o Open Link in a New Tab o Open Link in a New Window Who's idea was this? I must have opened about 10 new windows (instead of tabs) this morning before figuring out the change. Still having trouble adjusting... muscle memory is set I have to pause after right-clicking any link. Yes, and Menu Editor does not work an Seamonkey 2.1. beta 3 I jus t put on Youtube the following text: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DEv=HmgtW2Iw-kE Sorry, but this is a BAD presentation. I am a personal trainer and what I see ist a bad voice spoken too fast. people do NOT know people's everyday job. (I have studied computer science!) By the changes on Seamonkey 2.1 beta 3 now, my arm has serious problems because of the changes on the context menu the addtional clicks. Firefox killed alreday efiecient 1-hand-work by obliging t control key to context-menus so i used Seamonkey. But now Seamonkey seems to be invaded by this sort of developper. I am really upset! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
go-arts wrote: On 9 avr, 02:10, NoOpgl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote: Ok, who's bright idea was this? Right clicking a link in 2.1b2 brings up: o Open Link in a New Window o Open Link in a New Tab 2.1b3 brings up: o Open Link in a New Tab o Open Link in a New Window Who's idea was this? I must have opened about 10 new windows (instead of tabs) this morning before figuring out the change. Still having trouble adjusting... muscle memory is set I have to pause after right-clicking any link. Yes, and Menu Editor does not work an Seamonkey 2.1. beta 3 I jus t put on Youtube the following text: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DEv=HmgtW2Iw-kE Sorry, but this is a BAD presentation. I am a personal trainer and what I see ist a bad voice spoken too fast. people do NOT know people's everyday job. (I have studied computer science!) By the changes on Seamonkey 2.1 beta 3 now, my arm has serious problems because of the changes on the context menu the addtional clicks. Firefox killed alreday efiecient 1-hand-work by obliging t control key to context-menus so i used Seamonkey. But now Seamonkey seems to be invaded by this sort of developper. I am really upset! Exactly another exemple of what i said: Developer are more interested by their idea than by the user requests. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
Ray_Net wrote: Exactly another example of what i said: Developer are more interested by their idea than by the user requests. Ray and others -- this is not a productive form of discussion. It's reasonable to say the developers are not heeding your requests/input, or that you're disappointed, but it's not helpful to tell us what they think. In my experience, telling someone what they think just pisses them off, it doesn't win them over. And lest anyone misunderstand, I'm not taking sides. I can live with either outcome. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
Le 12 avril 2011, NoOp a écrit : Yeah that works, but old habits die hard :-) Plus my middle-click on my old mouse is like crunching a cockroach... push hard - crunch. I've finally retrained MM to the new Open Link in a New Tab. Thanks for reminding me about the middle-click, I'd forgotten all about it. There's Ctrl-left click, as well. -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
NoOp wrote: On 04/09/2011 03:58 PM, Roger Fink wrote: Roger Fink wrote: ... I'm glad they finally listened to me and made that change but you can reorder the menu items any way you like and moreover hide the many items I assume you don't use by installing the Menu Editor extension. The version I use for Seamonkey 2.0.13 is Menu Editor 1.2.3.3. Not sure if that has been upgraded, or whether I had to modify install.rdf to get that version to work, or if any version out there is compatible with 2.1, but in my installation it does work beautifully. Available from here: http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#menuedit I'd rather keep the menu items standard. Reason being is that I also assist many other SM users if I modify my setup too much I then forget that I did it after awhile. That leads to issues when supporting others. But thanks for the suggestion. Sure. And it goes without saying, even though I'm saying it, that you can always install the extension, invert the two menu items, and do nothing more. (provided 2.1 will let it install) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
On 04/09/2011 08:09 AM, Errol Smith wrote: NoOp wrote: Ok, who's bright idea was this? Right clicking a link in 2.1b2 brings up: o Open Link in a New Window o Open Link in a New Tab 2.1b3 brings up: o Open Link in a New Tab o Open Link in a New Window Who's idea was this? I must have opened about 10 new windows (instead of tabs) this morning before figuring out the change. Still having trouble adjusting... muscle memory is set I have to pause after right-clicking any link. I strongly suggest you learn how to middle-click. It's much faster ... Yeah that works, but old habits die hard :-) Plus my middle-click on my old mouse is like crunching a cockroach... push hard - crunch. I've finally retrained MM to the new Open Link in a New Tab. Thanks for reminding me about the middle-click, I'd forgotten all about it. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
On 04/09/2011 02:34 PM, Roger Fink wrote: NoOp wrote: Ok, who's bright idea was this? Right clicking a link in 2.1b2 brings up: o Open Link in a New Window o Open Link in a New Tab 2.1b3 brings up: o Open Link in a New Tab o Open Link in a New Window Who's idea was this? I must have opened about 10 new windows (instead of tabs) this morning before figuring out the change. Still having trouble adjusting... muscle memory is set I have to pause after right-clicking any link. I'm glad they finally listened to me and made that change but you can reorder the menu items any way you like and moreover hide the many items I assume you don't use by installing the Menu Editor extension. The version I use for Seamonkey 2.0.13 is Menu Editor 1.2.3.3. Not sure if that has been upgraded, or whether I had to modify install.rdf to get that version to work, or if any version out there is compatible with 2.1, but in my installation it does work beautifully. You're the culprit eh? Logically it does make more sense; it just took me by surprise took awhile to retrain. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
On 04/09/2011 03:58 PM, Roger Fink wrote: Roger Fink wrote: ... I'm glad they finally listened to me and made that change but you can reorder the menu items any way you like and moreover hide the many items I assume you don't use by installing the Menu Editor extension. The version I use for Seamonkey 2.0.13 is Menu Editor 1.2.3.3. Not sure if that has been upgraded, or whether I had to modify install.rdf to get that version to work, or if any version out there is compatible with 2.1, but in my installation it does work beautifully. Available from here: http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#menuedit I'd rather keep the menu items standard. Reason being is that I also assist many other SM users if I modify my setup too much I then forget that I did it after awhile. That leads to issues when supporting others. But thanks for the suggestion. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
Philip Chee wrote: On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 19:31:29 -0700, NoOp wrote: On 04/08/2011 06:43 PM, WLS wrote: NoOp wrote: Ok, who's bright idea was this? Right clicking a link in 2.1b2 brings up: o Open Link in a New Window o Open Link in a New Tab 2.1b3 brings up: o Open Link in a New Tab o Open Link in a New Window Who's idea was this? I must have opened about 10 new windows (instead of tabs) this morning before figuring out the change. Still having trouble adjusting... muscle memory is set I have to pause after right-clicking any link. I think it is an improvement and I believe consistent with the change in Firefox 4.0. This is the SeaMonkey copy of the Firefox Promote tabs over windows bug. Since opening a tab is more often used that opening a new window, putting the tab item first leads to shorter mouse movements and an incremental amount of time saved. The first thing I did after installing FF4 was to put the tabs back on the bottom where (IMO) they belong. You see, when you work with tabs on a regular basis it makes no sense at all to have to move the mouse above the URI/URL/Address bar to select a tab. The tab/window area is the main workspace. Again; who's bright idea was that? Google Chrome started the trend. Phil My first attempt to do this, so I apologize if it doesn't work. This is a reply from Jay Garcia to Tabs...why? in the mozilla.support.firefox newsgroup. news://news.mozilla.org:119/dr6dnw2sw9uaxj3qnz2dnuvz_rgdn...@mozilla.org If it works, I learned how to do something new today! WLS -- openSUSE 11.3(x86_64) - Gnome2.30 - SeaMonkey 2.1pre ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
On 11-04-08 10:31 PM, NoOp wrote: Not when you open many links (tabs) per day by right-clicking on the link. I can certainly get used to it, but to arbitrarily change the UI from 2.1b2 to 2.1b3 does require some muscle memory retraining. The change slows down productivity (for the time being). Open in New Tab is used much more often than Open in New Window, so they put the most popular item at the top. You are as I've never seen tabs on top. Got a screenshot of tabs on top with SeaMonkey? The first thing I did after installing FF4 was to put the tabs back on the bottom where (IMO) they belong. You see, when you work with tabs on a regular basis it makes no sense at all to have to move the mouse above the URI/URL/Address bar to select a tab. The tab/window area is the main workspace. Again; who's bright idea was that? Here's a video explaining why tabs are on top. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmgtW2Iw-kE -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
On 09/04/11 04:31, NoOp wrote: On 04/08/2011 06:43 PM, WLS wrote: [...] Did you know SeaMonkey had tabs on top before all the browsers? Just collapse all the tool bars and you will see what I mean. Yes, I am going out on a limb with that statement. You are as I've never seen tabs on top. Got a screenshot of tabs on top with SeaMonkey? :-) http://users.skynet.be/antoine.mechelynck/other/tabs-on-top.png The multirow tab bar is an enhancement from my userChrome.css -- you may disregard it if what interests you is only the tabs on top in SeaMonkey concept. Best regards, Tony. -- No, `Eureka' is Greek for `This bath is too hot.' -- Dr. Who ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
NoOp wrote: On 04/08/2011 06:43 PM, WLS wrote: snip Did you know SeaMonkey had tabs on top before all the browsers? Just collapse all the tool bars and you will see what I mean. Yes, I am going out on a limb with that statement. You are as I've never seen tabs on top. Got a screenshot of tabs on top with SeaMonkey? The first thing I did after installing FF4 was to put the tabs back on the bottom where (IMO) they belong. You see, when you work with tabs on a regular basis it makes no sense at all to have to move the mouse above the URI/URL/Address bar to select a tab. The tab/window area is the main workspace. Again; who's bright idea was that? This SM 2.1pre, but by collapsing the tool bars, you can do the same with SM 2.0.x. I don't know about older versions. http://img845.imageshack.us/i/smtabsontop.png/ Like I said it is a stretch, and the only thing missing if you collapse the menu tool bar is a SeaMonkey button ala Firefox. I know sh, don't give them any ideas! LOL! I like Tony's multirow tab bar. WLS -- openSUSE 11.3(x86_64) - Gnome2.30 - SeaMonkey 2.1pre ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
NoOp wrote: Ok, who's bright idea was this? Right clicking a link in 2.1b2 brings up: o Open Link in a New Window o Open Link in a New Tab 2.1b3 brings up: o Open Link in a New Tab o Open Link in a New Window Who's idea was this? I must have opened about 10 new windows (instead of tabs) this morning before figuring out the change. Still having trouble adjusting... muscle memory is set I have to pause after right-clicking any link. I strongly suggest you learn how to middle-click. It's much faster than mucking around with context menus. Yes it sucks that they changed it, but this avoids the issue completely. And if you have to re-learn, it might as well be something more productive that gives you what you want with less mouse clicks/movements. (Hint, if middle clicking doesn't work, you might need to change your mouse settings so that middle button is actually middle button rather than something else you probably don't use anyway. Esp with logitech mice). btw, for those that don't know what I'm talking about, the middle click on most mice is pressing down on your scroll wheel (but not actually scrolling). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
NoOp wrote: Ok, who's bright idea was this? Right clicking a link in 2.1b2 brings up: o Open Link in a New Window o Open Link in a New Tab 2.1b3 brings up: o Open Link in a New Tab o Open Link in a New Window Who's idea was this? I must have opened about 10 new windows (instead of tabs) this morning before figuring out the change. Still having trouble adjusting... muscle memory is set I have to pause after right-clicking any link. I'm glad they finally listened to me and made that change but you can reorder the menu items any way you like and moreover hide the many items I assume you don't use by installing the Menu Editor extension. The version I use for Seamonkey 2.0.13 is Menu Editor 1.2.3.3. Not sure if that has been upgraded, or whether I had to modify install.rdf to get that version to work, or if any version out there is compatible with 2.1, but in my installation it does work beautifully. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
Roger Fink wrote: NoOp wrote: Ok, who's bright idea was this? Right clicking a link in 2.1b2 brings up: o Open Link in a New Window o Open Link in a New Tab 2.1b3 brings up: o Open Link in a New Tab o Open Link in a New Window Who's idea was this? I must have opened about 10 new windows (instead of tabs) this morning before figuring out the change. Still having trouble adjusting... muscle memory is set I have to pause after right-clicking any link. I'm glad they finally listened to me and made that change but you can reorder the menu items any way you like and moreover hide the many items I assume you don't use by installing the Menu Editor extension. The version I use for Seamonkey 2.0.13 is Menu Editor 1.2.3.3. Not sure if that has been upgraded, or whether I had to modify install.rdf to get that version to work, or if any version out there is compatible with 2.1, but in my installation it does work beautifully. Available from here: http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#menuedit ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 19:31:29 -0700, NoOp wrote: On 04/08/2011 06:43 PM, WLS wrote: NoOp wrote: Ok, who's bright idea was this? Right clicking a link in 2.1b2 brings up: o Open Link in a New Window o Open Link in a New Tab 2.1b3 brings up: o Open Link in a New Tab o Open Link in a New Window Who's idea was this? I must have opened about 10 new windows (instead of tabs) this morning before figuring out the change. Still having trouble adjusting... muscle memory is set I have to pause after right-clicking any link. I think it is an improvement and I believe consistent with the change in Firefox 4.0. This is the SeaMonkey copy of the Firefox Promote tabs over windows bug. Since opening a tab is more often used that opening a new window, putting the tab item first leads to shorter mouse movements and an incremental amount of time saved. The first thing I did after installing FF4 was to put the tabs back on the bottom where (IMO) they belong. You see, when you work with tabs on a regular basis it makes no sense at all to have to move the mouse above the URI/URL/Address bar to select a tab. The tab/window area is the main workspace. Again; who's bright idea was that? Google Chrome started the trend. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
Ok, who's bright idea was this? Right clicking a link in 2.1b2 brings up: o Open Link in a New Window o Open Link in a New Tab 2.1b3 brings up: o Open Link in a New Tab o Open Link in a New Window Who's idea was this? I must have opened about 10 new windows (instead of tabs) this morning before figuring out the change. Still having trouble adjusting... muscle memory is set I have to pause after right-clicking any link. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
NoOp wrote: Ok, who's bright idea was this? Right clicking a link in 2.1b2 brings up: o Open Link in a New Window o Open Link in a New Tab 2.1b3 brings up: o Open Link in a New Tab o Open Link in a New Window Who's idea was this? I must have opened about 10 new windows (instead of tabs) this morning before figuring out the change. Still having trouble adjusting... muscle memory is set I have to pause after right-clicking any link. ...at least the buttons were big enough for you to hit them consistently. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
NoOp wrote: Ok, who's bright idea was this? Right clicking a link in 2.1b2 brings up: o Open Link in a New Window o Open Link in a New Tab 2.1b3 brings up: o Open Link in a New Tab o Open Link in a New Window Who's idea was this? I must have opened about 10 new windows (instead of tabs) this morning before figuring out the change. Still having trouble adjusting... muscle memory is set I have to pause after right-clicking any link. I think it is an improvement and I believe consistent with the change in Firefox 4.0. Did you know SeaMonkey had tabs on top before all the browsers? Just collapse all the tool bars and you will see what I mean. Yes, I am going out on a limb with that statement. WLS -- openSUSE 11.3(x86_64) - Gnome2.30 - SeaMonkey 2.1pre ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
On 04/08/2011 06:43 PM, WLS wrote: NoOp wrote: Ok, who's bright idea was this? Right clicking a link in 2.1b2 brings up: o Open Link in a New Window o Open Link in a New Tab 2.1b3 brings up: o Open Link in a New Tab o Open Link in a New Window Who's idea was this? I must have opened about 10 new windows (instead of tabs) this morning before figuring out the change. Still having trouble adjusting... muscle memory is set I have to pause after right-clicking any link. I think it is an improvement and I believe consistent with the change in Firefox 4.0. Not when you open many links (tabs) per day by right-clicking on the link. I can certainly get used to it, but to arbitrarily change the UI from 2.1b2 to 2.1b3 does require some muscle memory retraining. The change slows down productivity (for the time being). Did you know SeaMonkey had tabs on top before all the browsers? Just collapse all the tool bars and you will see what I mean. Yes, I am going out on a limb with that statement. You are as I've never seen tabs on top. Got a screenshot of tabs on top with SeaMonkey? The first thing I did after installing FF4 was to put the tabs back on the bottom where (IMO) they belong. You see, when you work with tabs on a regular basis it makes no sense at all to have to move the mouse above the URI/URL/Address bar to select a tab. The tab/window area is the main workspace. Again; who's bright idea was that? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
