Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-30 Thread Dirk Fieldhouse 

On 30/01/2021 05:24, Bret Busby wrote:

...> Bret Busby wrote:

"AdBlocker Ultimate could not be installed because it is not
compatible with Seamonkey 2.53.6"
(for version 2.26 of AdBlocker Ultimate, from the CAA library)

"AdBlocker for YouTube could not be installed because it is not
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.53.6."
(for version 0.2.3 of AdBlocker for YouTube from the CAA library)



It may be that the extension author set an upper limit on the SM version 
to be supported and 2.53.6 exceeds it, even though the extension might 
still work; alternatively, the author may not have included some trivial 
additions that would have enabled the extension for SM.


In either case you can try processing the extension with the online 
converter at .


If the conversion succeeds, the extension should be installable but may 
still not be functional; at least you tried. That means that the 
extension needs non-trivial changes to work with SM 2.53.6.


I would be careful about installing more than one ad-blocker as it will 
slow your browsing experience and there may be unwanted interactions, 
possibly even causing ad-blocking to fail.


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Re: Fwd: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-29 Thread Bret Busby 
On 30/01/2021, Bret Busby  wrote:
> On 30/01/2021, Bret Busby  wrote:
>> On 30/01/2021, NFN Smith  wrote:
>>> Bret Busby wrote:
 On 30/01/2021, NFN Smith  wrote:
> Bret Busby wrote:
>
>>
>> ublock origin is not found in searching in Add Ons, Extensions, or
>> Plug Ins for Seamonkey 2.53.6 for the build I previously specified.
>>
>
> If you check the Release Notes
> (https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/), there's
> a
> link there that resolves to
> https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases
>
> Smith
>

 Both that and the previously mentioned (by other people, I believe)
 classic add-ons archive, both hosted at github, have only XPL (?)
 files and source code files.

 I am running Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE Linux.
>>>
>>> I have the same setup of Seamonkey on Ubuntu, and running a MATE
>>> desktop.
>>>
>>
>> That would be useful, but... see below...
>>

 These applications are not shown as having .deb packages or packages
 otherwise installable on Ubuntu Linux, and, Seamonkey does not locate
 them, in searching for add-ons to install.

 I am not capable of building packages for installation, from source
 code.

 So, how do I get either this version of ublock, or, the classic
 add-ons thingy, installed into Seamonkey, to make it operable?
>>>
>>> This is the difference between plug-in and extension.  In a
>>> Debian-derived environment, a plugin-is something that you install from
>>> a .deb, and where you can remove with various APT-based tools, such as
>>> apt-get, aptitude or dpkg.
>>>
>>> As noted earlier in this discussion, an extension is exclusively inside
>>> the browser.  And extensions are platform-neutral, since the code is all
>>> scripting (JavaScript, I believe).  Thus, download the .XPI file, then
>>> go to the Add-Ons Manager, click the gear icon, select "Install Add-On
>>> from file...", and select the downloaded .XPI.
>>>
>>> I will note that for most of the extensions that I run (including
>>> uBlock, NoScript, Session Manager, Cookies Exterminator, Display
>>> MailUserAgent, and several more), my habit is to download the .XPI file,
>>> and then save a copy to my LAN.  From that single download, I can
>>> install in Seamonkey on any platform (including Windows, Linux and Mac)
>>> and in any profile.
>>>
>>> The key here is that a .XPI file is scripting that's expected to run in
>>> an Mozilla application.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, at that level, there isn't any differentiation between
>>> XUL and the newer WebExtensions.  Thus, if you try to install a
>>> WebExtensions extension in Seamonkey, you'll get an error, in the the
>>> same way that current versions of Firefox and Thunderbird will reject
>>> installation of extensions based on XUL.  Thus you have to pay attention
>>> to version numbers at the distribution site.
>>>
>>> For uBlock Origin, the current WebExtensions version is 1.32.4, and the
>>> most recent XUL version (and is still being updated ) is 1.16.4.28.  For
>>> Seamonkey use, you don't want version numbers that are 1.17 or later.
>>>
>>
>> Now, here's the rub...
>>
>> The version of ublock origin at the classic add-ons archive (CAA)
>> library package thingy that installed, showed as 1.13.
>>
>
> Sorry - in checking, it is 1.13.10.
>
>> Upon downloading, to "open" it with Seamonkey, the error message is
>> "uBlock Origin/webext-hybrid could not be installed because it is not
>> compatible with SeaMonkey 2.53.6."
>>
>> :(
>>
>> I will try the CAA versions of Adblock Plus, AdBlocker Ultimate, and
>> AdBlocker for YouTube, and find whether they will install.
>>
>>> One other note about uBlock -- once you have it installed, it will
>>> automatically update itself, when new versions are released.  I notice
>>> that my last downloaded copy is 1.16.4.25, but a check of Seamonkey
>>> reveals that I'm running 1.16.4.28, and I haven't done anything specific
>>> to update.
>>>
>>> One other note -- when you're playing in this area, one old extension
>>> that I find useful is Add-ons Manager - Version Number.  That one will
>>> show you the specific version that you're running, and I find that one
>>> useful. Unfortunately, it's an XUL extension that got dropped in the
>>> Firefox move to WebExtensions, and I think the only source for this one
>>> now is if you have installed the Classic Add-Ons Archive.
>>>
>>> Smith
>>>

Adblock Plus v2.9.1 appears to have successfully installed.

"AdBlocker Ultimate could not be installed because it is not
compatible with Seamonkey 2.53.6"
(for version 2.26 of AdBlocker Ultimate, from the CAA library)

"AdBlocker for YouTube could not be installed because it is not
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.53.6."
(for version 0.2.3 of AdBlocker for YouTube from the CAA library)

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Re: Fwd: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-29 Thread Bret Busby 
On 30/01/2021, Bret Busby  wrote:
> On 30/01/2021, NFN Smith  wrote:
>> Bret Busby wrote:
>>> On 30/01/2021, NFN Smith  wrote:
 Bret Busby wrote:

>
> ublock origin is not found in searching in Add Ons, Extensions, or
> Plug Ins for Seamonkey 2.53.6 for the build I previously specified.
>

 If you check the Release Notes
 (https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/), there's
 a
 link there that resolves to
 https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases

 Smith

>>>
>>> Both that and the previously mentioned (by other people, I believe)
>>> classic add-ons archive, both hosted at github, have only XPL (?)
>>> files and source code files.
>>>
>>> I am running Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE Linux.
>>
>> I have the same setup of Seamonkey on Ubuntu, and running a MATE desktop.
>>
>
> That would be useful, but... see below...
>
>>>
>>> These applications are not shown as having .deb packages or packages
>>> otherwise installable on Ubuntu Linux, and, Seamonkey does not locate
>>> them, in searching for add-ons to install.
>>>
>>> I am not capable of building packages for installation, from source
>>> code.
>>>
>>> So, how do I get either this version of ublock, or, the classic
>>> add-ons thingy, installed into Seamonkey, to make it operable?
>>
>> This is the difference between plug-in and extension.  In a
>> Debian-derived environment, a plugin-is something that you install from
>> a .deb, and where you can remove with various APT-based tools, such as
>> apt-get, aptitude or dpkg.
>>
>> As noted earlier in this discussion, an extension is exclusively inside
>> the browser.  And extensions are platform-neutral, since the code is all
>> scripting (JavaScript, I believe).  Thus, download the .XPI file, then
>> go to the Add-Ons Manager, click the gear icon, select "Install Add-On
>> from file...", and select the downloaded .XPI.
>>
>> I will note that for most of the extensions that I run (including
>> uBlock, NoScript, Session Manager, Cookies Exterminator, Display
>> MailUserAgent, and several more), my habit is to download the .XPI file,
>> and then save a copy to my LAN.  From that single download, I can
>> install in Seamonkey on any platform (including Windows, Linux and Mac)
>> and in any profile.
>>
>> The key here is that a .XPI file is scripting that's expected to run in
>> an Mozilla application.
>>
>> Unfortunately, at that level, there isn't any differentiation between
>> XUL and the newer WebExtensions.  Thus, if you try to install a
>> WebExtensions extension in Seamonkey, you'll get an error, in the the
>> same way that current versions of Firefox and Thunderbird will reject
>> installation of extensions based on XUL.  Thus you have to pay attention
>> to version numbers at the distribution site.
>>
>> For uBlock Origin, the current WebExtensions version is 1.32.4, and the
>> most recent XUL version (and is still being updated ) is 1.16.4.28.  For
>> Seamonkey use, you don't want version numbers that are 1.17 or later.
>>
>
> Now, here's the rub...
>
> The version of ublock origin at the classic add-ons archive (CAA)
> library package thingy that installed, showed as 1.13.
>

Sorry - in checking, it is 1.13.10.

> Upon downloading, to "open" it with Seamonkey, the error message is
> "uBlock Origin/webext-hybrid could not be installed because it is not
> compatible with SeaMonkey 2.53.6."
>
> :(
>
> I will try the CAA versions of Adblock Plus, AdBlocker Ultimate, and
> AdBlocker for YouTube, and find whether they will install.
>
>> One other note about uBlock -- once you have it installed, it will
>> automatically update itself, when new versions are released.  I notice
>> that my last downloaded copy is 1.16.4.25, but a check of Seamonkey
>> reveals that I'm running 1.16.4.28, and I haven't done anything specific
>> to update.
>>
>> One other note -- when you're playing in this area, one old extension
>> that I find useful is Add-ons Manager - Version Number.  That one will
>> show you the specific version that you're running, and I find that one
>> useful. Unfortunately, it's an XUL extension that got dropped in the
>> Firefox move to WebExtensions, and I think the only source for this one
>> now is if you have installed the Classic Add-Ons Archive.
>>
>> Smith
>>
>
>
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Re: Fwd: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-29 Thread Bret Busby 
On 30/01/2021, NFN Smith  wrote:
> Bret Busby wrote:
>> On 30/01/2021, NFN Smith  wrote:
>>> Bret Busby wrote:
>>>

 ublock origin is not found in searching in Add Ons, Extensions, or
 Plug Ins for Seamonkey 2.53.6 for the build I previously specified.

>>>
>>> If you check the Release Notes
>>> (https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/), there's a
>>> link there that resolves to
>>> https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases
>>>
>>> Smith
>>>
>>
>> Both that and the previously mentioned (by other people, I believe)
>> classic add-ons archive, both hosted at github, have only XPL (?)
>> files and source code files.
>>
>> I am running Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE Linux.
>
> I have the same setup of Seamonkey on Ubuntu, and running a MATE desktop.
>

That would be useful, but... see below...

>>
>> These applications are not shown as having .deb packages or packages
>> otherwise installable on Ubuntu Linux, and, Seamonkey does not locate
>> them, in searching for add-ons to install.
>>
>> I am not capable of building packages for installation, from source code.
>>
>> So, how do I get either this version of ublock, or, the classic
>> add-ons thingy, installed into Seamonkey, to make it operable?
>
> This is the difference between plug-in and extension.  In a
> Debian-derived environment, a plugin-is something that you install from
> a .deb, and where you can remove with various APT-based tools, such as
> apt-get, aptitude or dpkg.
>
> As noted earlier in this discussion, an extension is exclusively inside
> the browser.  And extensions are platform-neutral, since the code is all
> scripting (JavaScript, I believe).  Thus, download the .XPI file, then
> go to the Add-Ons Manager, click the gear icon, select "Install Add-On
> from file...", and select the downloaded .XPI.
>
> I will note that for most of the extensions that I run (including
> uBlock, NoScript, Session Manager, Cookies Exterminator, Display
> MailUserAgent, and several more), my habit is to download the .XPI file,
> and then save a copy to my LAN.  From that single download, I can
> install in Seamonkey on any platform (including Windows, Linux and Mac)
> and in any profile.
>
> The key here is that a .XPI file is scripting that's expected to run in
> an Mozilla application.
>
> Unfortunately, at that level, there isn't any differentiation between
> XUL and the newer WebExtensions.  Thus, if you try to install a
> WebExtensions extension in Seamonkey, you'll get an error, in the the
> same way that current versions of Firefox and Thunderbird will reject
> installation of extensions based on XUL.  Thus you have to pay attention
> to version numbers at the distribution site.
>
> For uBlock Origin, the current WebExtensions version is 1.32.4, and the
> most recent XUL version (and is still being updated ) is 1.16.4.28.  For
> Seamonkey use, you don't want version numbers that are 1.17 or later.
>

Now, here's the rub...

The version of ublock origin at the classic add-ons archive (CAA)
library package thingy that installed, showed as 1.13.

Upon downloading, to "open" it with Seamonkey, the error message is
"uBlock Origin/webext-hybrid could not be installed because it is not
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.53.6."

:(

I will try the CAA versions of Adblock Plus, AdBlocker Ultimate, and
AdBlocker for YouTube, and find whether they will install.

> One other note about uBlock -- once you have it installed, it will
> automatically update itself, when new versions are released.  I notice
> that my last downloaded copy is 1.16.4.25, but a check of Seamonkey
> reveals that I'm running 1.16.4.28, and I haven't done anything specific
> to update.
>
> One other note -- when you're playing in this area, one old extension
> that I find useful is Add-ons Manager - Version Number.  That one will
> show you the specific version that you're running, and I find that one
> useful. Unfortunately, it's an XUL extension that got dropped in the
> Firefox move to WebExtensions, and I think the only source for this one
> now is if you have installed the Classic Add-Ons Archive.
>
> Smith
>


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Re: Fwd: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-29 Thread NFN Smith 

NFN Smith wrote:
As noted earlier in this discussion, an extension is exclusively inside 
the browser.  And extensions are platform-neutral, since the code is all 
scripting (JavaScript, I believe).  Thus, download the .XPI file, then 
go to the Add-Ons Manager, click the gear icon, select "Install Add-On 
from file...", and select the downloaded .XPI.


One other note -- you can bypass the Add-ons Manager to install an 
extension.  In the browser, using File -> Open to open the downloaded 
.XPI file will also install the extension.


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Re: Fwd: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-29 Thread NFN Smith 

Bret Busby wrote:

On 30/01/2021, NFN Smith  wrote:

Bret Busby wrote:



ublock origin is not found in searching in Add Ons, Extensions, or
Plug Ins for Seamonkey 2.53.6 for the build I previously specified.



If you check the Release Notes
(https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/), there's a
link there that resolves to
https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases

Smith



Both that and the previously mentioned (by other people, I believe)
classic add-ons archive, both hosted at github, have only XPL (?)
files and source code files.

I am running Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE Linux.


I have the same setup of Seamonkey on Ubuntu, and running a MATE desktop.



These applications are not shown as having .deb packages or packages
otherwise installable on Ubuntu Linux, and, Seamonkey does not locate
them, in searching for add-ons to install.

I am not capable of building packages for installation, from source code.

So, how do I get either this version of ublock, or, the classic
add-ons thingy, installed into Seamonkey, to make it operable?


This is the difference between plug-in and extension.  In a 
Debian-derived environment, a plugin-is something that you install from 
a .deb, and where you can remove with various APT-based tools, such as 
apt-get, aptitude or dpkg.


As noted earlier in this discussion, an extension is exclusively inside 
the browser.  And extensions are platform-neutral, since the code is all 
scripting (JavaScript, I believe).  Thus, download the .XPI file, then 
go to the Add-Ons Manager, click the gear icon, select "Install Add-On 
from file...", and select the downloaded .XPI.


I will note that for most of the extensions that I run (including 
uBlock, NoScript, Session Manager, Cookies Exterminator, Display 
MailUserAgent, and several more), my habit is to download the .XPI file, 
and then save a copy to my LAN.  From that single download, I can 
install in Seamonkey on any platform (including Windows, Linux and Mac) 
and in any profile.


The key here is that a .XPI file is scripting that's expected to run in 
an Mozilla application.


Unfortunately, at that level, there isn't any differentiation between 
XUL and the newer WebExtensions.  Thus, if you try to install a 
WebExtensions extension in Seamonkey, you'll get an error, in the the 
same way that current versions of Firefox and Thunderbird will reject 
installation of extensions based on XUL.  Thus you have to pay attention 
to version numbers at the distribution site.


For uBlock Origin, the current WebExtensions version is 1.32.4, and the 
most recent XUL version (and is still being updated ) is 1.16.4.28.  For 
Seamonkey use, you don't want version numbers that are 1.17 or later.


One other note about uBlock -- once you have it installed, it will 
automatically update itself, when new versions are released.  I notice 
that my last downloaded copy is 1.16.4.25, but a check of Seamonkey 
reveals that I'm running 1.16.4.28, and I haven't done anything specific 
to update.


One other note -- when you're playing in this area, one old extension 
that I find useful is Add-ons Manager - Version Number.  That one will 
show you the specific version that you're running, and I find that one 
useful. Unfortunately, it's an XUL extension that got dropped in the 
Firefox move to WebExtensions, and I think the only source for this one 
now is if you have installed the Classic Add-Ons Archive.


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Re: Fwd: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-29 Thread Bret Busby 
On 30/01/2021, NFN Smith  wrote:
> Bret Busby wrote:
>
>>
>> ublock origin is not found in searching in Add Ons, Extensions, or
>> Plug Ins for Seamonkey 2.53.6 for the build I previously specified.
>>
>
> If you check the Release Notes
> (https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/), there's a
> link there that resolves to
> https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases
>
> Smith
>

Both that and the previously mentioned (by other people, I believe)
classic add-ons archive, both hosted at github, have only XPL (?)
files and source code files.

I am running Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE Linux.

These applications are not shown as having .deb packages or packages
otherwise installable on Ubuntu Linux, and, Seamonkey does not locate
them, in searching for add-ons to install.

I am not capable of building packages for installation, from source code.

So, how do I get either this version of ublock, or, the classic
add-ons thingy, installed into Seamonkey, to make it operable?

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Re: Fwd: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-29 Thread EE 

Bret Busby wrote:

Forwarded to list, as reply did not default to list.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Bret Busby 
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 00:00:20 +0800
Subject: Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and
tracking blocking
To: Rubens 

On 29/01/2021, Rubens via support-seamonkey
 wrote:





It is not plugins, but extensions that do the ad and tracking blocking.
uBlock Origin still works well with SeaMonkey.



Same here.



ublock origin is not found in searching in Add Ons, Extensions, or
Plug Ins for Seamonkey 2.53.6 for the build I previously specified.


You need to use the legacy version of uBlock Origin with SeaMonkey (and 
Pale Moon).

https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases

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Re: Fwd: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-29 Thread NFN Smith 

Bret Busby wrote:



ublock origin is not found in searching in Add Ons, Extensions, or
Plug Ins for Seamonkey 2.53.6 for the build I previously specified.



If you check the Release Notes 
(https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/), there's a 
link there that resolves to 
https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases


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Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-29 Thread Bret Busby 
On 26/01/2021, Dirk Fieldhouse
 wrote:
> On 25/01/2021 18:57, Bret Busby wrote:
>> I am running
>>
>> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101
>> Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6
>> Build identifier: 20210118013008
>>
>> on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10.
>>
>> Seamonkey does not allow ad blocking plugins like Adblock Plus and
>> Adblock Ultimate, etc, that are allowed by Firefox, and, a plugin name
>> "Bluehell Firewall" that apparently does ad blocking and tracking
>> blocking, is "not compatible with your version of Seamonkey.
>
> Bluhell Firewall 2.6.4 (FWIW an extension, not a plugin) works fine,
> certainly on 2.53.5.1 and earlier, but see below.
>


Now, here is an interesting observation.

Two computers, both running Seamonkey 2.53.6 (and, the same build
number) on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10, one (running an i7 CPU) installed
the Bluhell firewall add-on, without any problem, and, the other
(running an i5 CPU), returns the error "This add-on is not compatible
with your version of Seamonkey".

Hmm.

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Fwd: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-29 Thread Bret Busby 
Forwarded to list, as reply did not default to list.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Bret Busby 
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 00:00:20 +0800
Subject: Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and
tracking blocking
To: Rubens 

On 29/01/2021, Rubens via support-seamonkey
 wrote:
>
>>>
>> It is not plugins, but extensions that do the ad and tracking blocking.
>> uBlock Origin still works well with SeaMonkey.
>>
>
> Same here.


ublock origin is not found in searching in Add Ons, Extensions, or
Plug Ins for Seamonkey 2.53.6 for the build I previously specified.


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..



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Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-28 Thread Rubens via support-seamonkey 






It is not plugins, but extensions that do the ad and tracking blocking. uBlock 
Origin still works well with SeaMonkey.



Same here.
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Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-26 Thread EE 

Bret Busby wrote:

Hello.

I am running
"
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6

Build identifier: 20210118013008
"
on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10.

Seamonkey does not allow ad blocking plugins like Adblock Plus and 
Adblock Ultimate, etc, that are allowed by Firefox, and, a plugin name 
"Bluehell Firewall" that apparently does ad blocking and tracking 
blocking, is "not compatible with your version of Seamonkey.


A strip had been appearing across the top of the window, for a 
particular web site, and, it had displayed
"Parts of the page that track your online activity were blocked Blocking>"


In using a wireless mouse, that goes to sleep, when not in use, and, 
which requires to be clicked, to awaken it, in one instance, after 
logging in to the computer again, and, clicking the mouse, to awaken it, 
it apparently clicked on the "Unblock" option, which was then, 
implemented without confirmation being requested, and, I cannot restore 
the tracking blocking for that web site, and, so, now, I have even more 
problems with that web site, more than usual. It is one of those web 
site that can be useful when it behaves itself, but, is otherwise, 
problematic (and, apparently, as is revealed, a bit malicious).


The strip across the top of the window, no longer appears for that web 
site, and, in going into the web browser preferences, I can not find a 
way to restore the ad  blocking and tracking blocking, for that web site.


Why is Seamonkey blocking the ad blocking and he tracking blocking?

Why does Seamonkey not allow the plugins that  have mentioned, to work 
with this version of Seamonkey?


In that strip that no longer is displayed for that web site, on another 
web page, where the strip is displayed (sinister state government 
parliamentary web site), clicking on the Preferences button in the 
strip, to find whether I can remove the unblocking for the offending 
URL, has no effect; the "Preferences" button only takes me to the 
Preferences -> Privacy & Security menu.


And, in the Preferences -> Privacy & Security menu, are the two options;
"()Prevent tracking activities by known sites
() Warn me when known tracking activities were detected"
with the second option being able to be implemented, only when the first 
option is implemented.


But, unchecking both of those, and, then, checking them again, does not 
restore the ad blocking and tracking blocking, where it was 
inadvertently unblocked.


And, no option is apparent, for listing/editing blocked or unblocked web 
sites or URL's.


It is not plugins, but extensions that do the ad and tracking blocking. 
uBlock Origin still works well with SeaMonkey.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-26 Thread NFN Smith 

Bret Busby wrote:

Hello.

I am running
"
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6

Build identifier: 20210118013008
"
on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10.

Seamonkey does not allow ad blocking plugins like Adblock Plus and 
Adblock Ultimate, etc, that are allowed by Firefox, and, a plugin name 
"Bluehell Firewall" that apparently does ad blocking and tracking 
blocking, is "not compatible with your version of Seamonkey.


The difference between "plugin" and "extension" is important.  A plugin 
is something that is installed as a stand-alone tool through the normal 
software installation processes of your operating system, and then makes 
itself available to run from inside Seamonkey.  An extension is 
something that's installed from inside the browser.  As far as I'm 
aware, the only plugin that Seamonkey 2.53.6 supports is Adobe Flash, 
and I believe that the developers are planning to remove that support in 
an upcoming version (perhaps as early as 2.53.7).


For extension problems, I believe that you're bumping into the Mozilla 
architectural changes made to extensions handling.  Those were 
introduced with Firefox 2.55 (where 2.55 and 2.56 allowed for both old 
and new), and since Firefox 57, only the newer structure is available in 
Firefox.


The specific changes that happened were that Mozilla has shifted from 
using the XUL API to WebExtensions, as used by Google Chrome.  I haven't 
actually tried it, but my understanding is that both Chrome and Firefox 
can now run the same extensions.  Thunderbird also supported both APIs 
up until 78.0, but now supports only the newer WebExtensions.


With this development, Mozilla has removed all the older XUL extensions 
from addons.mozilla.org.  With the transition of Seamonkey (and 
Thunderbird) away from Mozilla's support infrastructure, you can find 
some extensions that work in Seamonkey at 
https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/ .


If you take a look at the Release Notes at 
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/ and go to 
the Extensions section, there are notes about some of the most popular 
extensions, particularly Enigmail, uBlock Origin, NoScript Classic, and 
Session Manager, which include links to the most recent versions that 
are working in Seamonkey.


As noted in a separate response, you can get access to a much wider 
selection of XUL extensions by installing the Classic Addons Archive.




Why is Seamonkey blocking the ad blocking and he tracking blocking?


Make sure you're running extensions that are still compatible with 
Seamonkey.  The Release Notes explicitly note that AdBlock Plus does not 
work well with Seamonkey, and recommend use of uBlock Plus, instead.



I will note that I do follow the notes from the Developers' regular 
meetings, and that adding support for WebExtensions is intended, but 
that it's a big enough undertaking for the limited number of 
contributors, that that's not going to happen any time soon.



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Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-26 Thread Bret Busby 

On 26/1/21 10:08 pm, Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:

On 25/01/2021 18:57, Bret Busby wrote:

I am running

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6

Build identifier: 20210118013008

on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10.

Seamonkey does not allow ad blocking plugins like Adblock Plus and 
Adblock Ultimate, etc, that are allowed by Firefox, and, a plugin name 
"Bluehell Firewall" that apparently does ad blocking and tracking 
blocking, is "not compatible with your version of Seamonkey.


Bluhell Firewall 2.6.4 (FWIW an extension, not a plugin) works fine, 
certainly on 2.53.5.1 and earlier, but see below.


A strip had been appearing across the top of the window, for a 
particular web site, and, it had displayed
"Parts of the page that track your online activity were blocked Blocking>"

...
The strip across the top of the window, no longer appears for that web 
site, and, in going into the web browser preferences, I can not find a 
way to restore the ad  blocking and tracking blocking, for that web site.


Why is Seamonkey blocking the ad blocking and he tracking blocking?


Keep Blocking uses the settings from Preferences>Privacy & Security. 
Unblock grants permissions that you can revoke or otherwise modify 
through Tools>Data Manager, select site, Permissions tab. That may be 
what you're looking for. SM doesn't have ad-blocking built in.





Thank you for that.

In using that process, and, changing the settings for the three 
variables, to default (global for Seamonkey), the settings are restored, 
and, the tracking warning strip is again displayed.


Regarding the ad blocking, without the tracking blocking being 
operative, ads would be displayed on the web page; with the tracking 
blocking being again operative, the ads are again stopped from being 
displayed.


It may be that the displaying of the ads, is dependent on the tracking; 
that, for that web site, at least (if not others, where I also see the 
tracking blocking warning strip displayed), the ads rely on context, 
without which, they are not displayed?


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Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
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Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-26 Thread Dirk Fieldhouse 

On 25/01/2021 18:57, Bret Busby wrote:

I am running

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6

Build identifier: 20210118013008

on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10.

Seamonkey does not allow ad blocking plugins like Adblock Plus and 
Adblock Ultimate, etc, that are allowed by Firefox, and, a plugin name 
"Bluehell Firewall" that apparently does ad blocking and tracking 
blocking, is "not compatible with your version of Seamonkey.


Bluhell Firewall 2.6.4 (FWIW an extension, not a plugin) works fine, 
certainly on 2.53.5.1 and earlier, but see below.


A strip had been appearing across the top of the window, for a 
particular web site, and, it had displayed
"Parts of the page that track your online activity were blocked Blocking>"

...
The strip across the top of the window, no longer appears for that web 
site, and, in going into the web browser preferences, I can not find a 
way to restore the ad  blocking and tracking blocking, for that web site.


Why is Seamonkey blocking the ad blocking and he tracking blocking?


Keep Blocking uses the settings from Preferences>Privacy & Security. 
Unblock grants permissions that you can revoke or otherwise modify 
through Tools>Data Manager, select site, Permissions tab. That may be 
what you're looking for. SM doesn't have ad-blocking built in.


Why does Seamonkey not allow the plugins that  have mentioned, to work 
with this version of Seamonkey?

>

You may be trying to install WebExtensions versions of extensions where 
SM (currently) supports the classic extensions API (FF 52ESR and 
earlier). Until SM supports WebExtensions, install the Classic Add-ons 
Archive extension  and use the 
versions from the archive.


/df

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Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-25 Thread Bret Busby 

Hello.

I am running
"
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6

Build identifier: 20210118013008
"
on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10.

Seamonkey does not allow ad blocking plugins like Adblock Plus and 
Adblock Ultimate, etc, that are allowed by Firefox, and, a plugin name 
"Bluehell Firewall" that apparently does ad blocking and tracking 
blocking, is "not compatible with your version of Seamonkey.


A strip had been appearing across the top of the window, for a 
particular web site, and, it had displayed
"Parts of the page that track your online activity were blocked Blocking>"


In using a wireless mouse, that goes to sleep, when not in use, and, 
which requires to be clicked, to awaken it, in one instance, after 
logging in to the computer again, and, clicking the mouse, to awaken it, 
it apparently clicked on the "Unblock" option, which was then, 
implemented without confirmation being requested, and, I cannot restore 
the tracking blocking for that web site, and, so, now, I have 
even more problems with that web site, more than usual. It is one of 
those web site that can be useful when it behaves itself, but, is 
otherwise, problematic (and, apparently, as is revealed, a bit 
malicious).


The strip across the top of the window, no longer appears for that web 
site, and, in going into the web browser preferences, I can not find a 
way to restore the ad  blocking and tracking blocking, for that web 
site.


Why is Seamonkey blocking the ad blocking and he tracking blocking?

Why does Seamonkey not allow the plugins that  have mentioned, to work 
with this version of Seamonkey?


In that strip that no longer is displayed for that web site, on another 
web page, where the strip is displayed (sinister state government 
parliamentary web site), clicking on the Preferences button in the 
strip, to find whether I can remove the unblocking for the offending 
URL, has no effect; the "Preferences" button only takes me to the 
Preferences -> Privacy & Security menu.


And, in the Preferences -> Privacy & Security menu, are the two options;
"()Prevent tracking activities by known sites
() Warn me when known tracking activities were detected"
with the second option being able to be implemented, only when the first 
option is implemented.


But, unchecking both of those, and, then, checking them again, does not 
restore the ad blocking and tracking blocking, where it was inadvertently 
unblocked.


And, no option is apparent, for listing/editing blocked or unblocked web 
sites or URL's.


--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
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