Re: UA spoofing
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/08/2019 11:41 PM:
Daniel wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/08/2019 4:17 PM:
Hartmut Figge wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher:
Could someone remind me again how to lie to a specific website
about my
user agent? They're doing bad browser sniffing and refuse to play
until
I prove that I have at least Firefox 47 [sic].
Here are two examples from my user.js:
user_pref("general.useragent.override.independent.co.uk", "Mozilla/5.0
(X11; Linux x86_64; rv:59.0) Gecko/2018010400 Firefox/59.0
SeaMonkey/2.56a1-h");
user_pref("general.useragent.override.whatsapp.com", "Mozilla/5.0
(Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0")
Thanks. Will give it a shot.
... but, Paul, note that the two user prefs Hartmut gave you are
overrides for specific web sites, so may not fix your problem.
However, they may indicate have to set your own override for the
specific sites you are having problems with!!
Overrides for specific websites is exactly what I asked for.
I have the basic competence to replace "independent.co.uk" or
"whatsapp.com" with the domain that's bothering me and to replace his UA
strings with my own. I'm not a complete idiot. I just needed the syntax.
No worries ... just pointing it out! ;-)
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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418
or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623
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Re: UA spoofing
Daniel wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/08/2019 4:17 PM:
Hartmut Figge wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher:
Could someone remind me again how to lie to a specific website about my
user agent? They're doing bad browser sniffing and refuse to play until
I prove that I have at least Firefox 47 [sic].
Here are two examples from my user.js:
user_pref("general.useragent.override.independent.co.uk", "Mozilla/5.0
(X11; Linux x86_64; rv:59.0) Gecko/2018010400 Firefox/59.0
SeaMonkey/2.56a1-h");
user_pref("general.useragent.override.whatsapp.com", "Mozilla/5.0
(Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0")
Thanks. Will give it a shot.
... but, Paul, note that the two user prefs Hartmut gave you are
overrides for specific web sites, so may not fix your problem.
However, they may indicate have to set your own override for the
specific sites you are having problems with!!
Overrides for specific websites is exactly what I asked for.
I have the basic competence to replace "independent.co.uk" or
"whatsapp.com" with the domain that's bothering me and to replace his UA
strings with my own. I'm not a complete idiot. I just needed the syntax.
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Re: UA spoofing
Daniel wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/08/2019 4:17 PM:
Hartmut Figge wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher:
Could someone remind me again how to lie to a specific website about my
user agent? They're doing bad browser sniffing and refuse to play until
I prove that I have at least Firefox 47 [sic].
Here are two examples from my user.js:
user_pref("general.useragent.override.independent.co.uk", "Mozilla/5.0
(X11; Linux x86_64; rv:59.0) Gecko/2018010400 Firefox/59.0
SeaMonkey/2.56a1-h");
user_pref("general.useragent.override.whatsapp.com", "Mozilla/5.0
(Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0")
Thanks. Will give it a shot.
... but, Paul, note that the two user prefs Hartmut gave you are
overrides for specific web sites, so may not fix your problem.
However, they may indicate have to set your own override for the
specific sites you are having problems with!!
I don't know - that the overrides are for specific websites is
absolutely obvious when you look at them, and I rather like the idea of
lying about the operating system. Windows 98 rides again?
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Re: UA spoofing
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/08/2019 4:17 PM:
Hartmut Figge wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher:
Could someone remind me again how to lie to a specific website about my
user agent? They're doing bad browser sniffing and refuse to play until
I prove that I have at least Firefox 47 [sic].
Here are two examples from my user.js:
user_pref("general.useragent.override.independent.co.uk", "Mozilla/5.0
(X11; Linux x86_64; rv:59.0) Gecko/2018010400 Firefox/59.0
SeaMonkey/2.56a1-h");
user_pref("general.useragent.override.whatsapp.com", "Mozilla/5.0
(Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0")
Thanks. Will give it a shot.
... but, Paul, note that the two user prefs Hartmut gave you are
overrides for specific web sites, so may not fix your problem.
However, they may indicate have to set your own override for the
specific sites you are having problems with!!
--
Daniel
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418
or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623
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Re: UA spoofing
Hartmut Figge wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher:
Could someone remind me again how to lie to a specific website about my
user agent? They're doing bad browser sniffing and refuse to play until
I prove that I have at least Firefox 47 [sic].
Here are two examples from my user.js:
user_pref("general.useragent.override.independent.co.uk", "Mozilla/5.0
(X11; Linux x86_64; rv:59.0) Gecko/2018010400 Firefox/59.0
SeaMonkey/2.56a1-h");
user_pref("general.useragent.override.whatsapp.com", "Mozilla/5.0
(Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0")
Thanks. Will give it a shot.
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Re: UA spoofing
Paul B. Gallagher:
>Could someone remind me again how to lie to a specific website about my
>user agent? They're doing bad browser sniffing and refuse to play until
>I prove that I have at least Firefox 47 [sic].
Here are two examples from my user.js:
user_pref("general.useragent.override.independent.co.uk", "Mozilla/5.0
(X11; Linux x86_64; rv:59.0) Gecko/2018010400 Firefox/59.0
SeaMonkey/2.56a1-h");
user_pref("general.useragent.override.whatsapp.com", "Mozilla/5.0
(Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0")
Hartmut
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UA spoofing
Could someone remind me again how to lie to a specific website about my user agent? They're doing bad browser sniffing and refuse to play until I prove that I have at least Firefox 47 [sic]. Thanks. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: UA Spoofing.
On 8/28/10 7:43 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Manuel Reimer wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Actually, as much as I hate appending Firefox to any UA string of browsers that are not Firefox, I just filed a bug to make any Gecko that not has Firefox in its UA string right now to send one in the future. I don't think this is a good idea. Webmasters should learn to match for Gecko. Yours Manue While that is noble thought. The reality is, most webmasters for most commercial Sites don't give a rats behind. The will sniff on FireFox not gecko. In fact I would be shocked and surprised in most even know anything about w3c or what gecko is. It's more than a noble thought. The tracking bug for bad sniffing -- bug #334967 -- depends on 208 specific bug reports about individual cases of bad sniffing. 37 of of those specific bug reports have been closed, indicating that Web masters do indeed learn that Gecko is Gecko. 18 of the specific bug reports were either duplicates, invalid, or Works for Me. That means there are 190 valid specific bug reports, 19% of which were fixed. If even a slight effort were made to communicate proper sniffing -- and the possibility that sniffing is not needed at all -- many more of the valid bug reports would also be fixed. I'm not convinced that the changes in presenting the UA string (based on bug #572650?) will really solve the problems of invalid sniffing. If Firefox is always appended to the UA string, it is more likely that Web masters will conclude SeaMonkey is no longer in use. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ I filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of the amount of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: UA Spoofing.
When my XulRunner applications starts spamming Firefox UA telling a lie to the world, I will start FF spoofing on my web sites to ban all UAs containing FireFox. I hate FireFox. I do not accept UA containing FireFox, if it is not a FireFox but only uses the Mozilla toolkit. It is ok, if the user can configure site by site to append that stupid keyword for compatibility with sites of stupid site authors, but this should not be the default but should be done for each site separately. My favorite is SM, which is the only real mozilla. Where I have the choice I always use SM, never FF. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: UA Spoofing.
In mozilla.support.seamonkey, Georg Maaß wrote: When my XulRunner applications starts spamming Firefox UA telling a lie to the world, I will start FF spoofing on my web sites to ban all UAs containing FireFox. One hopes you are talking about your personal web sites, not business ones. It would be a silly business model to turn away a quarter of your business. Or ... if you are writing business sites for clients, do they know of your plan to reduce their profits? I hate FireFox. I do not accept UA containing FireFox, if it is not a FireFox but only uses the Mozilla toolkit. But what is the need to inflict your personal problems on your visitors? -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: UA Spoofing.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: But what is the need to inflict your personal problems on your visitors? Exactly this is, what stupid web authors do with UA name spoofing instead of doing needed feature testing. Firefox is an enemy, because it is an egoist make a lot of unnecessary trouble to all the other applications built on top of toolkit, because there are often compatibility issues caused by changes made for FF. Toolkit is not developed straight forward, but is developed with FF focus only. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: UA Spoofing.
David E. Ross wrote: On 8/28/10 7:43 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Manuel Reimer wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Actually, as much as I hate appending Firefox to any UA string of browsers that are not Firefox, I just filed a bug to make any Gecko that not has Firefox in its UA string right now to send one in the future. I don't think this is a good idea. Webmasters should learn to match for Gecko. Yours Manue While that is noble thought. The reality is, most webmasters for most commercial Sites don't give a rats behind. The will sniff on FireFox not gecko. In fact I would be shocked and surprised in most even know anything about w3c or what gecko is. It's more than a noble thought. The tracking bug for bad sniffing -- bug #334967 -- depends on 208 specific bug reports about individual cases of bad sniffing. 37 of of those specific bug reports have been closed, indicating that Web masters do indeed learn that Gecko is Gecko. 18 of the specific bug reports were either duplicates, invalid, or Works for Me. That means there are 190 valid specific bug reports, 19% of which were fixed. If even a slight effort were made to communicate proper sniffing -- and the possibility that sniffing is not needed at all -- many more of the valid bug reports would also be fixed. I'm not convinced that the changes in presenting the UA string (based on bug #572650?) will really solve the problems of invalid sniffing. If Firefox is always appended to the UA string, it is more likely that Web masters will conclude SeaMonkey is no longer in use. I had a battle with my Bank's Website Suntrust for two years. trying to get them first to even acknowledge Mozilla products newer than Mozilla. Finally they did switch to add support for Firefox. however to this day there sniffing code is /FireFox, not /gecko Until I switched over to SM 2, I had to add /not FireFox/2.0 then eventuality version number I updated to latest version I was using. I think I reported several times about Suntrust. I don't know if I reported to right place or not since I I used the report a broken website feature which we all discovered that no one at mozilla had even been looking at the reports from the time the feature was put in. Lack of interest reading the reports. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: UA Spoofing.
Manuel Reimer schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: Actually, as much as I hate appending Firefox to any UA string of browsers that are not Firefox, I just filed a bug to make any Gecko that not has Firefox in its UA string right now to send one in the future. I don't think this is a good idea. Webmasters should learn to match for Gecko. I agree that they should, but in reality they don't and nobody has enough time and possibilities to get them do it. Above all that, we have too many other things to do and SeaMonkey not working with a lot of websites is significantly hurting us, esp. in markets where we are even weaker than in Germany - i.e. in 90% of the world. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: UA Spoofing.
Georg Maaß schrieb: When my XulRunner applications starts spamming Firefox UA telling a lie to the world, I will start FF spoofing on my web sites to ban all UAs containing FireFox. Please do that. I hate FireFox. Then stop using Gecko, as Gecko isn't nothing more than the Firefox web rendering engine nowadays. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: UA Spoofing.
Phillip Jones schrieb: Finally they did switch to add support for Firefox. however to this day there sniffing code is /FireFox, not /gecko Welcome to our world! :-/ To Georg, Manuel, and others who are affronting me over bug 591617 and things like that, this is just one very small case of those things happening in the real world. As much as we all hate bad sniffing, it's a very common reality (even more so than those sites sniffing for pre and handing out a mobile site for Palm Pre or a non-working site when detecting it, and for which we probably will be changing the UAs of all Mozilla products). Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: UA Spoofing.
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:19:32 -0400, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 8/27/2010 7:21 AM, Philip Chee wrote: New is: general.useragent.compatMode.firefox In addition for the RFDocumentation, I'd love bug/cset link. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581008 Bug 581008 - Remove support for appending arbitrary data to the User Agent string http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/99eb6c83cccf Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: UA Spoofing.
Robert Kaiser wrote: Actually, as much as I hate appending Firefox to any UA string of browsers that are not Firefox, I just filed a bug to make any Gecko that not has Firefox in its UA string right now to send one in the future. Bug #, please? -JW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: UA Spoofing.
Robert Kaiser wrote: Actually, as much as I hate appending Firefox to any UA string of browsers that are not Firefox, I just filed a bug to make any Gecko that not has Firefox in its UA string right now to send one in the future. I don't think this is a good idea. Webmasters should learn to match for Gecko. Yours Manue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: UA Spoofing.
Manuel Reimer wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Actually, as much as I hate appending Firefox to any UA string of browsers that are not Firefox, I just filed a bug to make any Gecko that not has Firefox in its UA string right now to send one in the future. I don't think this is a good idea. Webmasters should learn to match for Gecko. Yours Manue While that is noble thought. The reality is, most webmasters for most commercial Sites don't give a rats behind. The will sniff on FireFox not gecko. In fact I would be shocked and surprised in most even know anything about w3c or what gecko is. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
UA Spoofing.
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:10:20 +0100, Neil wrote: NoOp wrote: And yes... I'll modify the UA's on the Win machines before doing browser checks :-) If you are going to spoof Firefox, it might be an idea to spoof the version of Firefox with the same Gecko revision as the version of SeaMonkey that you are using... general.useragent.extra.* has gone from trunk. Removed (no effect): general.useragent.extra.* general.useragent.appName general.useragent.appVersion general.useragent.productComment general.useragent.vendorComment Still in effect: general.useragent.vendor general.useragent.vendorSub general.useragent.override New is: general.useragent.compatMode.firefox Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: UA Spoofing.
Philip Chee schrieb: New is: general.useragent.compatMode.firefox Which should be the weapon of choice now when spoofing Firefox. And we might even add UI for that. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: UA Spoofing.
On 08/27/2010 04:21 AM, Philip Chee wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:10:20 +0100, Neil wrote: NoOp wrote: And yes... I'll modify the UA's on the Win machines before doing browser checks :-) If you are going to spoof Firefox, it might be an idea to spoof the version of Firefox with the same Gecko revision as the version of SeaMonkey that you are using... general.useragent.extra.* has gone from trunk. Removed (no effect): general.useragent.extra.* general.useragent.appName general.useragent.appVersion general.useragent.productComment general.useragent.vendorComment Still in effect: general.useragent.vendor general.useragent.vendorSub general.useragent.override New is: general.useragent.compatMode.firefox Phil Thanks for the info Phil. Is this documented anwhere? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: UA Spoofing.
On 27/08/2010 11:33 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote: Philip Chee schrieb: New is: general.useragent.compatMode.firefox Which should be the weapon of choice now when spoofing Firefox. And we might even add UI for that. Thanks Robert, please do. I admit I'm lazy and use general.useragent.extra.spoofox so a builtin UI would help keep me pure. Robert Kaiser David Cox ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: UA Spoofing.
On 8/27/2010 7:21 AM, Philip Chee wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:10:20 +0100, Neil wrote: NoOp wrote: And yes... I'll modify the UA's on the Win machines before doing browser checks :-) If you are going to spoof Firefox, it might be an idea to spoof the version of Firefox with the same Gecko revision as the version of SeaMonkey that you are using... general.useragent.extra.* has gone from trunk. Removed (no effect): general.useragent.extra.* general.useragent.appName general.useragent.appVersion general.useragent.productComment general.useragent.vendorComment Still in effect: general.useragent.vendor general.useragent.vendorSub general.useragent.override New is: general.useragent.compatMode.firefox In addition for the RFDocumentation, I'd love bug/cset link. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
