Re: Which Windows monospaced is recommended for message such as these ?
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/7/2011 11:38 AM, Keith Whaley wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/7/2011 3:14 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Check for Updates which comes out on my screen as [0093]Check for Updates[0094]. Is there a recommended Windows monospaced font which can correctly handle these paired quotes and other less common Unicode characters ? Actually its broken on my screen as well, (a bad artifact from my web post). I usually avoid unicode if I can help it in text/plain e-mails/news postings unless there is a strong need. It could be an issue on my end, or with our defaults in news, not sure which. But I can assure you I don't plan on sending it like that again. [snipped] Now you tell me you strongly avoid Unicode. I'd really like to know why. Also, what encoding scheme DO you use in lieu of? Mostly just a personal preference. My general (US based) contacts that I know personally have typically not had good results when I send unicode chars. Also, my keyboard does not make it easy for me to type unicode chars. I usually stick with ASCII in e-mails for that reason. Also I'm not too familiar with dealing with encoding schemes as I would like. When I do chose an encoding scheme, I usually choose UTF-8 (BOM or not depends on context). I have nothing against unicode, just that I experience too much font issues when *I* use it outside of dev. These issues are usually avoidable easily by simply not using Unicode. Hope that helps It does. I'll add one more comment. In the site: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html The following quote appears: The UTF-8 encoding defined in ISO 10646-1:2000 Annex D and also described in RFC 3629 as well as section 3.9 of the Unicode 4.0 standard does not have these problems. It is clearly the way to go for using Unicode under Unix-style operating systems. My guess is that since I work with Mac OS 10, which is UNIX based, that's why I find it compatible for my use. I'll also guess you use a Windows OS, and that is not UNIX based, which is one reason why you dislike how UTF-8 treats your efforts. Not sure, but possible... keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Which Windows monospaced is recommended for message such as these ?
On 9/8/2011 7:31 AM, Keith Whaley wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/7/2011 11:38 AM, Keith Whaley wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/7/2011 3:14 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Check for Updates which comes out on my screen as [0093]Check for Updates[0094]. Is there a recommended Windows monospaced font which can correctly handle these paired quotes and other less common Unicode characters ? Actually its broken on my screen as well, (a bad artifact from my web post). I usually avoid unicode if I can help it in text/plain e-mails/news postings unless there is a strong need. It could be an issue on my end, or with our defaults in news, not sure which. But I can assure you I don't plan on sending it like that again. [snipped] Now you tell me you strongly avoid Unicode. I'd really like to know why. Also, what encoding scheme DO you use in lieu of? Mostly just a personal preference. My general (US based) contacts that I know personally have typically not had good results when I send unicode chars. Also, my keyboard does not make it easy for me to type unicode chars. I usually stick with ASCII in e-mails for that reason. Also I'm not too familiar with dealing with encoding schemes as I would like. When I do chose an encoding scheme, I usually choose UTF-8 (BOM or not depends on context). I have nothing against unicode, just that I experience too much font issues when *I* use it outside of dev. These issues are usually avoidable easily by simply not using Unicode. Hope that helps It does. I'll add one more comment. In the site: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html The following quote appears: The UTF-8 encoding defined in ISO 10646-1:2000 Annex D and also described in RFC 3629 as well as section 3.9 of the Unicode 4.0 standard does not have these problems. It is clearly the way to go for using Unicode under Unix-style operating systems. My guess is that since I work with Mac OS 10, which is UNIX based, that's why I find it compatible for my use. I'll also guess you use a Windows OS, and that is not UNIX based, which is one reason why you dislike how UTF-8 treats your efforts. Not sure, but possible... I do use Windows. And in instances I can choose encoding easily, I usually set UTF-8 even for cases where I only intend to use ASCII, most Windows programs (seem) to come with poor defaults and/or hard ways to set encoding. The trouble of tweaking/finding those settings is not worth the slight benefits to me, in most cases. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Which Windows monospaced is recommended for message such as these ?
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Check for Updates which comes out on my screen as [0093]Check for Updates[0094]. Is there a recommended Windows monospaced font which can correctly handle these paired quotes and other less common Unicode characters ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Which Windows monospaced is recommended for message such as these ?
On 9/7/2011 3:14 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Check for Updates which comes out on my screen as [0093]Check for Updates[0094]. Is there a recommended Windows monospaced font which can correctly handle these paired quotes and other less common Unicode characters ? Actually its broken on my screen as well, (a bad artifact from my web post). I usually avoid unicode if I can help it in text/plain e-mails/news postings unless there is a strong need. It could be an issue on my end, or with our defaults in news, not sure which. But I can assure you I don't plan on sending it like that again. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Which Windows monospaced is recommended for message such as these ?
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/7/2011 3:14 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Check for Updates which comes out on my screen as [0093]Check for Updates[0094]. Is there a recommended Windows monospaced font which can correctly handle these paired quotes and other less common Unicode characters ? Actually its broken on my screen as well, (a bad artifact from my web post). I usually avoid unicode if I can help it in text/plain e-mails/news postings unless there is a strong need. It could be an issue on my end, or with our defaults in news, not sure which. But I can assure you I don't plan on sending it like that again. Justin, if you can find or take the time to explain why you don't like Unicode, it would help many of us who don't have a CLUE as to why not! I started using Unicode some while back, when I found a lot of oddities in portraying one or another glyph could be SOLVED by switching from my usual Western (ISO 8859-1) to Unicode (UTF-8). Now you tell me you strongly avoid Unicode. I'd really like to know why. Also, what encoding scheme DO you use in lieu of? keith whaley Mac OS 10.6.8 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Which Windows monospaced is recommended for message such as these ?
Keith Whaley wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/7/2011 3:14 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Check for Updates which comes out on my screen as [0093]Check for Updates[0094]. Is there a recommended Windows monospaced font which can correctly handle these paired quotes and other less common Unicode characters ? Actually its broken on my screen as well, (a bad artifact from my web post). I usually avoid unicode if I can help it in text/plain e-mails/news postings unless there is a strong need. It could be an issue on my end, or with our defaults in news, not sure which. But I can assure you I don't plan on sending it like that again. Justin, if you can find or take the time to explain why you don't like Unicode, it would help many of us who don't have a CLUE as to why not! I started using Unicode some while back, when I found a lot of oddities in portraying one or another glyph could be SOLVED by switching from my usual Western (ISO 8859-1) to Unicode (UTF-8). Now you tell me you strongly avoid Unicode. I'd really like to know why. Also, what encoding scheme DO you use in lieu of? I'm curious about that, too -- I'm using a font that is perfectly happy with ‘single’ and “double” fancy quotes, but yours display only as garble. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Which Windows monospaced is recommended for message such as these ?
On 9/7/2011 11:38 AM, Keith Whaley wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/7/2011 3:14 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Check for Updates which comes out on my screen as [0093]Check for Updates[0094]. Is there a recommended Windows monospaced font which can correctly handle these paired quotes and other less common Unicode characters ? Actually its broken on my screen as well, (a bad artifact from my web post). I usually avoid unicode if I can help it in text/plain e-mails/news postings unless there is a strong need. It could be an issue on my end, or with our defaults in news, not sure which. But I can assure you I don't plan on sending it like that again. Justin, if you can find or take the time to explain why you don't like Unicode, it would help many of us who don't have a CLUE as to why not! I started using Unicode some while back, when I found a lot of oddities in portraying one or another glyph could be SOLVED by switching from my usual Western (ISO 8859-1) to Unicode (UTF-8). Now you tell me you strongly avoid Unicode. I'd really like to know why. Also, what encoding scheme DO you use in lieu of? Mostly just a personal preference. My general (US based) contacts that I know personally have typically not had good results when I send unicode chars. Also, my keyboard does not make it easy for me to type unicode chars. I usually stick with ASCII in e-mails for that reason. Also I'm not too familiar with dealing with encoding schemes as I would like. When I do chose an encoding scheme, I usually choose UTF-8 (BOM or not depends on context). I have nothing against unicode, just that I experience too much font issues when *I* use it outside of dev. These issues are usually avoidable easily by simply not using Unicode. Hope that helps -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
