Re: Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-30 Thread Axel Grude 

On 22/01/12 05:16, NoOp wrote:

On 01/21/2012 02:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html

Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ?



https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193886

FYI:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Markup_Language


so if you can see it in IE it is only because IE is out of date :-) since they are 
both vector based it should relatively trivial to write a parser that converts one 
into the other.


Axel
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Re: [VML] Works in IE not in SM support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 73/57

2012-01-22 Thread Ray_Net 

Joe Rotello wrote:

Subject:
[VML] Works in IE not in SM
From: NoOp 
Date:1/22/2012 12:16 AM

To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
On 01/21/2012 02:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html

Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ? >>

Because VML (Vector Markup Language) is one of the most proprietary, 
useless and long ignored non-standards around.


It should not be used as it's been long superseded by firm,
major-percentage-in-use standards that are used by perhaps 85 to 99 % 
of all browsers, graphics applications and so forth.


Stop battering SM and other browsers and condemning the browser, when 
it is especially poor designer and end-user demands that show up how 
ineffective and problematic that VML was, has been and is. Is it any 
wonder that it was never adopted as a real and useful standard, 
grossly in favor of the much better SVG and others ?


Joe

STOP battering me with this issue - perhaps you don't understand my last 
post saying:
I have updated https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193886 
asking to close it.

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Re: [VML] Works in IE not in SM support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 73/57

2012-01-22 Thread Joe Rotello 

Subject:
[VML] Works in IE not in SM
From: NoOp 
Date:1/22/2012 12:16 AM

To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
On 01/21/2012 02:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html

Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ? >>

Because VML (Vector Markup Language) is one of the most proprietary, 
useless and long ignored non-standards around.


It should not be used as it's been long superseded by firm,
major-percentage-in-use standards that are used by perhaps 85 to 99 % of 
all browsers, graphics applications and so forth.


Stop battering SM and other browsers and condemning the browser, when it 
is especially poor designer and end-user demands that show up how 
ineffective and problematic that VML was, has been and is. Is it any 
wonder that it was never adopted as a real and useful standard, grossly 
in favor of the much better SVG and others ?


Joe

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Re: [VML] Works in IE not in SM support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 73/57

2012-01-22 Thread Joe Rotello 

On 1/22/2012 4:25 AM, support-seamonkey-requ...@lists.mozilla.org wrote:

Subject:
[VML] Works in IE not in SM
From:
NoOp 
Date:
1/22/2012 12:16 AM

To:
support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org


On 01/21/2012 02:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

>  http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html
>  
>  Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ?
>  


Because VML (Vector Markup Language) is one of the most proprietary, 
useless and long ignored non-standards around.


It should not be used as it's been long superseded by firm, 
major-percentage-in-use standards that are used by perhaps 85 to 99 % of 
all browsers, graphics applications and so forth.


Stop battering SM and other browsers and condemning the browser, when it 
is especially poor designer and end-user demands that show up how 
ineffective and problematic that VML was, has been and is. Is it any 
wonder that it was never adopted as a real and useful standard, grossly 
in favor of the better SVG and others ?


Joe
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Re: Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-22 Thread Ray_Net 

NoOp wrote:

On 01/21/2012 02:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html

Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ?


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193886

FYI:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Markup_Language



Thanks for all your replies.
I have updated https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193886 
asking to close it.

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Re: Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-21 Thread NoOp 
On 01/21/2012 02:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
> http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html
> 
> Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ?
> 

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193886

FYI:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Markup_Language


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Re: Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-21 Thread NoOp 
On 01/21/2012 02:58 PM, WLS wrote:
> Ray_Net wrote:
>> http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html
>>
>> Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ?
...
> Probably for the same reason it doesn't display in Firefox, Chrome, 
> Epiphany or Konquerer. 

Or Chromium, Opera, & Firefox (all the way up to 12.0a1) as well.

> It was designed for IE only.
...

"do not look the image file, image yapa! is the HTML / VML which defines
taken Wikimedia Commons - Author: Pwostyn"

as MCBastos so kindly pointed out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Markup_Language
"Vector Markup Language (VML) is a deprecated XML language used to
produce vector graphics.
...
While Microsoft continues to document VML,[6] development of the format
ceased in 1998.[7] VML is implemented in Internet Explorer 5.0 and
higher and in Microsoft Office 2000 and higher. VML is still available
in Internet Explorer 9 but Microsoft expects web sites to transition to
SVG in the future."


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Re: Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-21 Thread MCBastos 
Interviewed by CNN on 21/01/2012 21:31, Ray_Net told the world:

> That's not a reason Problably because other browsers cannot render
> as well ..
> 
> In the mean time i have found:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Markup_Language
> Where i can read that VML must be replaced by SVG
> And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svg  say:
> All major modern web browsers 
> have at least some degree of support and render SVG markup
>  directly, including
> Mozilla Firefox , Internet
> Explorer 9 , Google
> Chrome , Opera
>  and Safari
> .
> 
> So ...now .. Can someone give us an url where the page is using SVG ?

That page is in VML. It says so right on the .

VML is a Microsoft-designed language which is supported only by IE. It
has been deprecated, so other browsers won't implement it.

VML is NOT SVG. As you can see in the Wikipedia entry you have linked,
they aren't compatible.

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Re: Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-21 Thread Philip TAYLOR 



Ray_Net wrote:


So ...now .. Can someone give us an url where the page is using SVG


/The/ page, or /a/ page ?
Philip Taylor
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Re: Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-21 Thread Ray_Net 

Ray_Net wrote:

WLS wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html

Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ?




Probably for the same reason it doesn't display in Firefox, Chrome, 
Epiphany or Konquerer. It was designed for IE only.


I think this is a tip it was created with Word and saved as HTML. I 
could be wrong,




That's not a reason Problably because other browsers cannot render 
as well ..


In the mean time i have found: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Markup_Language

Where i can read that VML must be replaced by SVG
And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svg  say:
All major modern web browsers 
 have at least some degree 
of support and render SVG markup 
 directly, including 
Mozilla Firefox , 
Internet Explorer 9 
, Google Chrome 
, Opera 
 and Safari 
.


So ...now .. Can someone give us an url where the page is using SVG ?
Don't search for it  i have an example working with SM and IE9: Here 
it is:


http://www.w3.org/2000/svg";
   version="1.1"
   width="300"
   height="200">
Exemple simple de figure SVG

Cette figure est constituee d'un rectangle,
d'un segment de droite et d'un cercle.






 Un texte


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Re: Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-21 Thread Ray_Net 

WLS wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html

Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ?




Probably for the same reason it doesn't display in Firefox, Chrome, 
Epiphany or Konquerer. It was designed for IE only.


I think this is a tip it was created with Word and saved as HTML. I 
could be wrong,




That's not a reason Problably because other browsers cannot render 
as well ..


In the mean time i have found: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Markup_Language

Where i can read that VML must be replaced by SVG
And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svg  say:
All major modern web browsers  
have at least some degree of support and render SVG markup 
 directly, including 
Mozilla Firefox , Internet 
Explorer 9 , Google 
Chrome , Opera 
 and Safari 
.


So ...now .. Can someone give us an url where the page is using SVG ?
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Re: Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-21 Thread WLS 

Ray_Net wrote:

http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html

Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ?




Probably for the same reason it doesn't display in Firefox, Chrome, 
Epiphany or Konquerer. It was designed for IE only.


I think this is a tip it was created with Word and saved as HTML. I 
could be wrong,




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Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-21 Thread Ray_Net 

http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html

Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ?

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