date:20210315


Ray Davison wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:


Wonder WHY there is no profile.ini file on the Win 7 machine ! ?


By default it is in the %APPDATA%\Mozilla\SeaMonkey directory

I currently have six SM profiles.  I just searched five partitions where 
a SM "profile.ini" could be located.  I found only one, which had 
nothing to do with SM.



I do find a "profiles.ini" in each profile.

Ray

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Re: Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine


Ray Davison wrote:

NFN Smith wrote:


(even just one, because the names of profile folders are deliberately
cryptic).

Is "cryptic" supposed to hide them from somebody?


Not really.  I don't fully get the reason for that, but in all Mozilla 
apps (Firefox, Thunderbird and Seamonkey), the profile manager will 
prepend a random 8 alphanumeric characters and a dot before the 
user-defined profile name, as the name of the folder.


With this particular context, that's why I advocate copying the entire 
Profiles folder and accompanying profiles.ini file, so that all the 
folder names are identical.


On the new machine, if you let the Profile Manger create a new profile 
(including a default when you start Seamonkey for the first time), even 
if you have only one Default profile, the folder names won't be 
identical, because of those first 8 characters.


At that point, you have to choose between one of:

- Copy the content of the old profile folder into the new profile folder
- Copy the new profile folder into the Seamonkey folder then edit 
profiles.ini, to make sure that the pointer resolves to the correct 
folder name.


If you copy the entire Seamonkey folder before you start Seamonkey for 
the first time, then the Profile Manager won't try to create a new 
default profile.



If you put them all together in a tree with your choice of names and 
location, you won't need to go looking for them.


And then a desktop shortcut to a batch file makes periodic backup trivial.


That works, although for me, I'm keyboard-centric enough that I don't 
have a problem with entering %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey into an address 
bar.


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Re: Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine


DoctorBill wrote:

OK - I found the SeaMonkey FOLDER in the Program(x86) directory on my Win 7
compuker and copied it 'intoto' to a Thumb Drive.  I cannot find 
profile.ini anywhere

on this machine (used "Searcheverything"  program) !

Now - do I transfer it to my Win 10 machine and OVERWRITE the SeaMonkey 
Folder

on the Win 10 machine ?

Wonder WHY there is no profile.ini file on the Win 7 machine ! ?



Stay out of Program Files and Program Files (x86) .  Those are the 
Seamonkey binaries, and you don't want to touch those.  Your data is 
elsewhere.


As noted, what you do is to enter %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey into the 
Explorer address bar.


%APPDATA% is a system variable which resolves to the correct location 
every time, and using is a productive shorthand. (It also is how Mozilla 
apps interact with the computer.  Thus, even though Microsoft relocated 
the standard location of your AppData folder in Windows in the 
transition from XP to Windows 7, it didn't take any adjustments, because 
the Mozilla coding isn't looking at the raw path, but working through 
the environment variable.


Thus if your Windows user name is "Doctor Bill", then the raw path to 
the Seamonkey Profiles folder would be:


  C:\Users\Doctor Bill\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Seamonkey\Profiles

I frequently see instructions ambiguated as something like:

  C:\Users\[Your ID]\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Seamonkey\Profiles

but that's kind of clumsy, because it takes an instruction of "replace 
[Your ID] with your Windows user name", and beyond that, not everybody 
even knows their Windows user name (especially if it was pre-defined in 
Windows setup).


Thus, by directing to %APPDATA% the path name is shorter, and you don't 
have to make adjustments to get the user name correct.



And as noted separately, the correct name is profiles.ini, not 
profile.ini.  Mea culpa.



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Re: Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine


NFN Smith wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

Sorry to have to ask this AGAIN, but I have forgotten how to transfer my
Bookmarks, Passwords, and Mail Files from my failing Windows 7 'system'
to my Windows 10 computer.  "The whole Ball of Wax" as Kalifornians say.

I have SeaMonkey working on a DELL Win 10 machine.
I want to copy the appropriate files on the 7 machine to a Thumb Drive 
and

deposit them in the 10 Machine's SM profile.
The Win 7 has become unstable - I guess it is time to 'face the music' 
and go

over to Win 10 (I hate it!)...

I got to %APPDATA%\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\ via "RUN", but don't
remember just what is what !  Give me a break !  I'm 78 and going down 
hill


You're almost there.

Don't use Run, use the Windows Explorer.  In the address bar, enter 
%APPDATA%\Mozilla then copy the entire Seamonkey folder (including the 
profile.ini file) to your transfer media.  You want profile.ini, because 
that's where all the pointers are for your profiles (even just one, 
because the names of profile folders are deliberately cryptic).


Then, on the new machine, do the same thing in reverse, copying the 
Seamonkey folder to %APPDATA%\Mozilla .


I do this one routinely, each time I install an upgraded version of 
Seamonkey, i.e., copy my profile data to a temporary folder, then 
install the latest update. And if there's problems with the update, I 
can copy the data back in from the temporary folder.


I've never had problems with upgrades, but making a backup this way is 
prudent, and it is quick.  As soon as I'm satisfied that the upgrade has 
worked correctly, then I discard the backup (and where I include 
%APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey as a part of my normal daily backups cycle.


Smith


How strange - I CANNOT find "profile.ini" anywhere on my Win 7 computer/

I even used  the "Search Everything" program.  ZIP !

How can that be ?

DB
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Re: Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine


NFN Smith wrote:



If you copy the entire Seamonkey folder before you start Seamonkey for 
the first time, then the Profile Manager won't try to create a new 
default profile.


And, if you run any Mozilla app, even the first time, with the 
"-Profilemanager" switch, you will always have your choice of profile, 
the it will NEVER try to create a new profile, unless you tell it to.


And you will never need to say "I lost my mail, passwords,,,".

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Re: Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine


Jonathan N. Little wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:


Wonder WHY there is no profile.ini file on the Win 7 machine ! ?


By default it is in the %APPDATA%\Mozilla\SeaMonkey directory

I currently have six SM profiles.  I just searched five partitions where 
a SM "profile.ini" could be located.  I found only one, which had 
nothing to do with SM.


Ray

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Re: Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine


NFN Smith wrote:


(even just one, because the names of profile folders are deliberately
cryptic).

Is "cryptic" supposed to hide them from somebody?

If you put them all together in a tree with your choice of names and 
location, you won't need to go looking for them.


And then a desktop shortcut to a batch file makes periodic backup trivial.

Ray

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Re: Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine


Somebody or Other wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

OK - I found the SeaMonkey FOLDER in the Program(x86) directory on my 
Win 7
compuker and copied it 'intoto' to a Thumb Drive.  I cannot find 
profile.ini anywhere

on this machine (used "Searcheverything"  program) !

Now - do I transfer it to my Win 10 machine and OVERWRITE the 
SeaMonkey Folder

on the Win 10 machine ?

Wonder WHY there is no profile.ini file on the Win 7 machine ! ?


Try looking for the plural "profiles.ini."



BINGO !  THAT got it !  Thanks Loads.
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Re: Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine

2021-03-15 Thread Somebody or Other


DoctorBill wrote:


OK - I found the SeaMonkey FOLDER in the Program(x86) directory on my Win 7
compuker and copied it 'intoto' to a Thumb Drive.  I cannot find 
profile.ini anywhere

on this machine (used "Searcheverything"  program) !

Now - do I transfer it to my Win 10 machine and OVERWRITE the SeaMonkey 
Folder

on the Win 10 machine ?

Wonder WHY there is no profile.ini file on the Win 7 machine ! ?


Try looking for the plural "profiles.ini."

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Re: Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine


Ray Davison wrote:

Ray Davison wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:


Wonder WHY there is no profile.ini file on the Win 7 machine ! ?


By default it is in the %APPDATA%\Mozilla\SeaMonkey directory

I currently have six SM profiles.  I just searched five partitions 
where a SM "profile.ini" could be located.  I found only one, which 
had nothing to do with SM.



I do find a "profiles.ini" in each profile.

Ray



My bad.  The correct is profiles.ini (plural).  I was working quickly 
and I always forget whether there's an "s" there or not.  There 
definitely is.


Sorry for the confusion.

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Re: Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine


NFN Smith wrote:


My bad.  The correct is profiles.ini (plural).  I was working quickly 
and I always forget whether there's an "s" there or not.  There 
definitely is.


I did not know how it was spelled because I have moved profiles between 
computers and between OS/2 and Win, and was never concerned about the 
contents.


For backup I copy to another partition on the same computer frequently 
and occasionally to another computer.


Ray

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Re: Password managers

2021-03-15 Thread Don Spam's Reckless Son


Norman Fuchs wrote:
I have never used a password manager, but I am being pushed to use one. 
But I'd like to know if any of them are compatible with SeaMonkey. Can 
someone help me, please?


What I'm about to say is based on what I have read - and possibly 
misunderstood - rather than personal experience.
- The Seamonkey password manager is "more secure" if you have a master 
password.
- There were some very unpleasant side-effects associated with 
master-passwords when moving between Seamonkey 2.49.x and 2.53.x.  I 
know that reverting from 2.53.x to 2.49.x was disastrous but I'm not 
sure that going forwards was that easy either.
- According to http://kb.mozillazine.org/Master_password (hopefully 
current), it is easy to remove such a password to simplify things before 
an upgrade.


Now, I see you have 2.53.6 and I'm not expecting any problems between 
that level and other 2.53.x levels.  Things might get a bit "sporty" 
between that and 2.57.x, no experience there either.


I have never had a master password myself, maybe less secure but a lot 
safer.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.7b1 released!

2021-03-15 Thread jcteyssier


Edmund Wong a écrit :

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.7b1.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

PS: Yeah, somewhat a canned message.  Currently in the middle of a bunch
of things while doing release, so my apologies.

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.7b1
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.7/




Installed today on three computers with two shared profiles and one non 
shared: seem to work perfectly

Jean-Charles
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Re: Password managers

Norman Fuchs wrote:
I have never used a password manager, but I am being pushed to use one.
But I'd like to know if any of them are compatible with SeaMonkey. Can
someone help me, please?

I use a mix of KeePass and the manager that's built into Seamonkey. I
consider my KeePass store to be primary, but I let the built-in one
remember passwords for sites that I use regularly. If you use the
Seamonkey mail client and let it remember passwords, you're already
using the Seamonkey password manager, especially for sending mail.

If you're using the password manager, then you do want to make sure you
have the master password set, using a non-trivial password. With the
master set, then you'll get prompted to enter it once per session, the
first time you do anything that requires a password.

The value of an external password tool is portability, and there's a
variety of ways that you can use it, and you don't necessarily have to
use the cloud.

With KeePass, I don't put my password store on a cloud server, but I do
keep one copy on my main work computer, and I keep a second copy on my
LAN, where I can get to that from any of the computers in my LAN.
KeePass does have a synchronization tool where I can sync any time I need.

A good intro to KeePass:
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-manage-your-passwords-effectively-with-keepass/

Because KeePass is a separate program (rather than a browser extension,
as many are/try to be) it also allows me a lot of ability to get to my
content from outside of Seamonkey. The UI allows me to open a saved URL
on a couple of mouse clicks, whether my default browser (Seamonkey), or
to choose another browser. Additionally, with scripting support built
in, it allows me to do logins in places where user ID and password are
separate screens (not just consecutive form entries), and I can even use
it to do a cert-based login in an SSH session.

Personally, I choose not to keep stuff on the cloud, but if your store
has a strong access password, then I think you're pretty safe, whether
you're using KeePass or something else. There may be variants, but I
have investigated LastPass, and I'm convinced that they are a
zero-knowledge setup, where they don't have access to encryption keys.
Several years ago, LastPass was hacked, but from the reports I saw, all
the intruders had access to was encrypted files. The only people who
were vulnerable were ones using weak passwords.

Under ownership of LogMeIn, LastPass has recently announced that they're
limiting use of unpaid access to only one or two devices, and for wider
use, requires upgrade to a paid tier of service.

The place where many want a cloud-based service is if they're trying to
coordinate access over multiple devices (especially the mix of
computer/tablet/phone).

However, with a little effort on your part, you can still synchronize a
computer and phone without going through the cloud to get there.

The primary negative on KeePass is with the user interface. It's an
open-source project, and has many of the common things, both in the
quality of graphical display (XP-vintage graphics), and that there are
so many advanced features, that it can be a little intimidating for a
newbie to get started with. In this context, it's worth noting that
there is a companion project -- KeePassXC. It's not actually KeePass,
but a separate work interacts seamlessly with KeePass files. KeePassXC
has a softer feel to the UI, less of the case-specific advanced
features, and also supports both Mac and Linux.

Another possible option to consider could be Password Safe. I haven't
looked at it in detail, but it's similar to KeePass as stand-alone tool
that's not normally integrated with a cloud-based service. I don't
believe that Password Safe is quite as extensive in its feature set.
The other thing about Password Safe is that it originated with security
researcher Bruce Schneier (also the originator of the blowfish
encryption algorithm), although it's now also an open source project.

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Re: Password managers

2021-03-15 Thread alexyu


Norman Fuchs wrote, on 14 Mar 21 19:32:


On 3/14/2021 2:31 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/14/2021 1:21 PM, Norman Fuchs wrote:

I have never used a password manager, but I am being pushed to use one.
But I'd like to know if any of them are compatible with SeaMonkey. Can
someone help me, please?


Why not use the password manager that is already built into SeaMonkey?

I would definitely avoid any third-party password manager that stores
passwords on an external server or on the cloud.  Those are very
tempting targets for hackers.

The third-party password managers work (I am told) synchronously across 
devices, so I could use one both for my desktop computer (SeaMonkey) and 
my cellphone (Chrome).  And there are some websites that are just 
incompatible with SM, so I access them with Edge, usually.


Sticky Password can work just on your computer, or for all devices on 
the same WiFi network, or using the internet, all controlled by one 
Master Password which is not stored anywhere outside your system; only 
in the last option are data stored outside your devices -- so you can 
just use WiFi and keep your desktop computer and your cellphone 
periodically in sync, without any data leaving your system. It 
specifically supports SeaMonkey (32 bit) and for phones there's FireFox, 
and Chrome for Mac or an internal browser for Android. They have a free 
version (no sync) and a Premium one.



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Re: Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine


DoctorBill wrote:

Sorry to have to ask this AGAIN, but I have forgotten how to transfer my
Bookmarks, Passwords, and Mail Files from my failing Windows 7 'system'
to my Windows 10 computer.  "The whole Ball of Wax" as Kalifornians say.

I have SeaMonkey working on a DELL Win 10 machine.
I want to copy the appropriate files on the 7 machine to a Thumb Drive and
deposit them in the 10 Machine's SM profile.
The Win 7 has become unstable - I guess it is time to 'face the music' 
and go

over to Win 10 (I hate it!)...

I got to %APPDATA%\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\ via "RUN", but don't
remember just what is what !  Give me a break !  I'm 78 and going down 
hill


You're almost there.

Don't use Run, use the Windows Explorer.  In the address bar, enter 
%APPDATA%\Mozilla then copy the entire Seamonkey folder (including the 
profile.ini file) to your transfer media.  You want profile.ini, because 
that's where all the pointers are for your profiles (even just one, 
because the names of profile folders are deliberately cryptic).


Then, on the new machine, do the same thing in reverse, copying the 
Seamonkey folder to %APPDATA%\Mozilla .


I do this one routinely, each time I install an upgraded version of 
Seamonkey, i.e., copy my profile data to a temporary folder, then 
install the latest update. And if there's problems with the update, I 
can copy the data back in from the temporary folder.


I've never had problems with upgrades, but making a backup this way is 
prudent, and it is quick.  As soon as I'm satisfied that the upgrade has 
worked correctly, then I discard the backup (and where I include 
%APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey as a part of my normal daily backups cycle.


Smith
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Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine

2021-03-15 Thread Andreas Nigg Bank J Safra Sarasin Zurich


Sorry to have to ask this AGAIN, but I have forgotten how to transfer my
Bookmarks, Passwords, and Mail Files from my failing Windows 7 'system'
to my Windows 10 computer.  "The whole Ball of Wax" as Kalifornians say.

I have SeaMonkey working on a DELL Win 10 machine.
I want to copy the appropriate files on the 7 machine to a Thumb Drive and
deposit them in the 10 Machine's SM profile.
The Win 7 has become unstable - I guess it is time to 'face the music' 
and go

over to Win 10 (I hate it!)...

I got to %APPDATA%\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\ via "RUN", but don't
remember just what is what !  Give me a break !  I'm 78 and going down 
hill


DoctorBill
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Re: Password managers

2021-03-15 Thread Norman Fuchs

On 3/15/2021 7:56 AM, NFN Smith wrote:

Norman Fuchs wrote:
I have never used a password manager, but I am being pushed to use
one. But I'd like to know if any of them are compatible with
SeaMonkey. Can someone help me, please?

The value of an external password tool is portability, and there's a
variety of ways that you can use it, and you don't necessarily have to
use the cloud.

A good intro to KeePass:
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-manage-your-passwords-effectively-with-keepass/

Under ownership of LogMeIn, LastPass has recently announced that they're
limiting use of unpaid access to only one or two devices, and for wider
use, requires upgrade to a paid tier of service.

The place where many want a cloud-based service is if they're trying to
coordinate access over multiple devices (especially the mix of
computer/tablet/phone).

However, with a little effort on your part, you can still synchronize a
computer and phone without going through the cloud to get there.

Another possible option to consider could be Password Safe. I haven't
looked at it in detail, but it's similar to KeePass as stand-alone tool
that's not normally integrated with a cloud-based service. I don't
believe that Password Safe is quite as extensive in its feature set. The
other thing about Password Safe is that it originated with security
researcher Bruce Schneier (also the originator of the blowfish
encryption algorithm), although it's now also an open source project.

Smith

Thanks to all for the advice. I will have to study all this carefully.
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