Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics - Decoding 16 channels in DAW
I have done this--smbisonic decoded to 2 hexagons one above the other. I have also add a stereo mix into the decode. It is known as B+ ThomasChen In a message dated 7/3/2013 7:34:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, m...@moritzfehr.de writes: hi everyone, thank you very much for your replies -- what i would like to achieve is playing a mix of a b-format recording combined with several mono- and stereofiles (have been doing this a lot, but only with a maximum of 8 channels). my mixing platform is reaper on osx. i am going to record a space with a soundfield mic and i would like to then make a simulation of it by setting up an array of 16 speakers. one speaker circle is on ear level, the other one above. i would like to use the second circle above to add height information to the ambisonic soundfield. as i can see now, adding a second instance of vvmic or harpex might not be suitable as it would generate two separate soundfields. (not sure if i am right here...) the b2x plugins seem to have a maximum of 12 outputs. ...i will look at ambdec but it does seem to need a lot of routing using jack. would the decopro vst plugin (http://www.gerzonic.net/) be a good choice for this purpose? thank you ! moritz Am 03.07.2013 um 15:38 schrieb Matthias Kronlachner: hi! you may just add an additional 8 channel track for a second instance of vvmicvst in reaper. send the 4 channel ambisonics signal to this newly created instance hosting vvmicvst, and route the outputs as you like. but if this approach gives you good decoding is another issue.. matthias On 7/3/13 1:37 PM, Moritz Fehr wrote: Dear Members of Sursound, i am using the VVMicVst Plugin in Reaper for mixing and decoding my B-Format recordings. The plugin is limited to an output of 8 channels. For a new sound installation, I would like to decode to 16 channels (two circles of 8 speakers stacked). I know that I could use ICST for Max, but if possible in any way, I would to keep on working in a DAW. Are there any other plugins or tools available for this purpose (OSX) ? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Best, Moritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130703/2415a0a0/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound * Moritz Fehr mobil: 01749231733 moritzf...@web.de www.moritzfehr.de -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130703/66f54ac4/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130703/3854bdfa/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] Domestic Concert Hall
Ralph I have created a suite of rooms in impulse response of varying size, shape and wall material. I have done this in Voxengo Impulse Modeler. I have created 5 frontal positions with early reflections and time values. There is a late reflections/reverberation stereo inpulses. I have learned to mix impulses from the same room with different mic placement and differing diffusion. The direct and early reflections give the location and change the signal from mono to stereo. The late room give ambience. This fall I am hoping to create a suite of B format rooms with the late reflections and some time consideration. This would be added to direct and early reflections which can be panned to pairs of speakers or other means of localization. While not WFS, I think that it will be very satisfactory. ThomasChen In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:16:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rglas...@yahoo.com writes: Using a new HP Pavillion HPE h8-1280t desktop Windows 7 PC with a solid state disk drive and RME ADAT sound cards I have been able to generate ambience signals for 26 surround speakers in essentially real time with only about 12 milliseconds of latency. The computer uses AudioMulch as the DAW with 13 iterations of the Waves IL-R VST plugin as the convolver. The library of concert halls and other hall impulse responses from Waves who include some originally from Angelo Farina is now so large that it occupies two DVDs. When running at 44.1 with a 2.0 input the computer load is only 39% so I may have overdone it.One can easily have up to 32 speakers using all 4 ADAT outputs. But basically what I have for the first time is a truly diffuse soundfield with a low IACC. That is, this is a sound field with at least some of the most important properties of a real concert hall. When you turn on the 26 speakers you get an enhanced sense of being there plus clarity, depth and realism in general. Since the Waves IRs do not really allow for partitioning the impulse responses to particular speakers, this system is not ideal, but I believe it can be shown that once a field is diffuse, but still with large interaural level and interaural time differences, most humans will accept the field as reasonably realistic even if it represents a concert hall that does not exist. One combines a selection of IRs from the same or similar halls to maintain the necessary diversity and prevent aliasing or monophonic impairments. Of course, now that I have done this it is clear that there are perhaps no more than three individuals in the world that would have the space, the skill, the money, and the love of classical music, to want to or be able to implement this. It is certainly not for solo electric guitar oriented stereophiles. However, I think serious music schools installing such a reproduction system would be able to evaluate their performances more realistically and conductors would be able to fine tune their technique etc. Getting the hall ambience this way certainly beats trying to record the hall during a performance and then delivering it via normal media along with the direct sound. Ralph Glasgal http://www.ambiophonics.org/ glas...@ambiophonic.org Note I have to use the Yahoo address because this list sofware does not like .org addresses. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20120707/45dada93/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20120709/393d232c/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] Audium - sound sculpture exhibit
I have been to the Audium several years ago. It is a fascinating audio experience. It is not a coherent B format replay but rather a creative experience. I would recommend that you listen to this. ThomasChen In a message dated 4/19/2012 4:41:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, er...@theaudioarchive.com writes: Some lighter reading - I just learned about this. The perfect field trip for this group's membership: http://www.audium.org/ Audium is the only theatre of its kind in the world, pioneering the exploration of space in music. The theatre's 176 speakers bathe listeners in sounds that move past, over, and under them. Sound sculptures are performed in darkness in the 49-seat theatre. Audium has been around for awhile: http://www.audium.org/omhpp.cgi?src=archive/archive_history.hpp with 4 channels (8 speakers in 1960) and growing from there. Okay, the speakers can *move* - cheating! Anyone from this list been to Audium? I've not been yet, but am curious. My first post ever to this group after lurking for 7+ years. Eric Jacobs The Audio Archive, Inc. Disc and Tape Audio Transfer Services and Preservation Consulting http://www.theaudioarchive.com tel: 408.221.2128 mailto:er...@theaudioarchive.com ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20120419/06871e7c/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] Ambisonic Speakers what type to buy for 8 speaker setup
I use two octagons with one above the other. The decoding is much simpler for Z with the angles the same. My decoder is based on the angle from zero in front. ThomasChen -Original Message- From: Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt To: Surround Sound discussion group sursound@music.vt.edu Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 10:46 am Subject: Re: [Sursound] Ambisonic Speakers what type to buy for 8 speaker setup Hi everyone,Impressive setup you have there.I'm also building an 8 speaker ambisonic setup, although budget limitationswill force me to buy something like YamahaHs50, KRK rokit, or Mackies...something in the 150€ price range per speaker.ThomasChen do you use two octagons one above the other?I'm researching about my speaker positioning, and considering two quads(rectangles), one vertical and one horizontal. The goal is to provide asmall space (3 by 3 meters) with 3D sound with ambisonics. Whats the generalthough on 8 speaker positioning?I attached an idea of the placing, for illustration purposes.best regards,PedroOn Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:38 PM, thomasc...@aol.com wrote: Darren I am using a dual octagon setup with ambisonic plus stereo playback. I have custom decoder implemented in Scope--Soniccore. I am using Genelec speakers with larger for the front and small for the rear. The addition of powered speakers is that the addition gives much greater sound pressure. The advantage of distributed sound sources is that the sound level is more tolerable than from two. They are in a 1000 sq. ft. room ThomasChen In a message dated 5/5/2011 6:07:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, i...@sacredresonance.com.au writes: Hi Darren here, I am doing a surround sound / octagon (8 speakers) setup using ambisonic software to create immersive sound running out of M-aduio firewire 410 I am wanting to do 30-80 people in a room I want to do testing in house and use for live setup as well - what you think is the cheapest option being 8 speakers. 1. What speakers should: (to buy) a) Monitors (near field) powered - would these work ? being near field. b) or just powered speakers. Please any ideas of what to buy with this setup thanks Darren -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20110505/48da4d92/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20110505/6e4a7dcf/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound-- Pedro Lopes (MSc)contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.ptwebsite: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes /http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/ | http://twitter.com/plopesresearch-- next part --An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20110505/ 99221fdb/attachment.html-- next part --A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: doublequadSetup.pngType: image/pngSize: 42473 bytesDesc: not availableURL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20110505/ 99221fdb/attachment.png___Su rsound mailing listsurso...@music.vt.eduhttps://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/surso und ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] Ambisonic Speakers what type to buy for 8 speaker setup
I believe that angle between speakers are important. We will fuse angles of 60 degrees or less. I have found that 45 degrees fuse well and most people are unable to locate speakers. I also found that with height helps fuse the image. I use B+ which adds a stereo front earlier in time plus B format. The early time of arrival from the stereo front helps in both richness and localization. ThomasChen -Original Message- From: Anthony Palomba apalo...@austin.rr.com To: Surround Sound discussion group sursound@music.vt.edu Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 12:41 pm Subject: Re: [Sursound] Ambisonic Speakers what type to buy for 8 speaker setup I am very interested in this as well. I have been thinking abouttaking the 3d audio plunge and would like to figure outwhat kind of setup I would need.I would also be interested in knowing what you guys areusing to do the encoding of the audio streams.AnthonyOn Thu, May 5, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt wrote: Hi everyone, Impressive setup you have there. I'm also building an 8 speaker ambisonic setup, although budget limitations will force me to buy something like YamahaHs50, KRK rokit, or Mackies... something in the 150€ price range per speaker. ThomasChen do you use two octagons one above the other? I'm researching about my speaker positioning, and considering two quads (rectangles), one vertical and one horizontal. The goal is to provide a small space (3 by 3 meters) with 3D sound with ambisonics. Whats the general though on 8 speaker positioning? I attached an idea of the placing, for illustration purposes. best regards, Pedro On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:38 PM, thomasc...@aol.com wrote: Darren I am using a dual octagon setup with ambisonic plus stereo playback. I have custom decoder implemented in Scope--Soniccore. I am using Genelec speakers with larger for the front and small for the rear. The addition of powered speakers is that the addition gives much greater sound pressure. The advantage of distributed sound sources is that the sound level is more tolerable than from two. They are in a 1000 sq. ft. room ThomasChenIn a message dated 5/5/2011 6:07:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, i...@sacredresonance.com.au writes: Hi Darren here, I am doing a surround sound / octagon (8 speakers) setup using ambisonic software to create immersive sound running out of M-aduio firewire 410 I am wanting to do 30-80 people in a room I want to do testing in house and use for live setup as well - what you think is the cheapest option being 8 speakers. 1. What speakers should: (to buy) a) Monitors (near field) powered - would these work ? being near field. b) or just powered speakers. Please any ideas of what to buy with this setup thanks Darren -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20110505/48da4d92/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20110505/6e4a7dcf/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- Pedro Lopes (MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes / http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/ | http://twitter.com/plopesresearch -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20110505/99221fdb/attachment.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doublequadSetup.png Type: image/png Size: 42473 bytes Desc: not available URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20110505/99221fdb/attachment.png ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound-- next part --An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20110505/ 75a6828b/attachment.html___S ursound mailing listsurso...@music.vt.eduhttps://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/surso und ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] Ambisonic Speakers what type to buy for 8 speaker setup
Darren I am using a dual octagon setup with ambisonic plus stereo playback. I have custom decoder implemented in Scope--Soniccore. I am using Genelec speakers with larger for the front and small for the rear. The addition of powered speakers is that the addition gives much greater sound pressure. The advantage of distributed sound sources is that the sound level is more tolerable than from two. They are in a 1000 sq. ft. room ThomasChen In a message dated 5/5/2011 6:07:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, i...@sacredresonance.com.au writes: Hi Darren here, I am doing a surround sound / octagon (8 speakers) setup using ambisonic software to create immersive sound running out of M-aduio firewire 410 I am wanting to do 30-80 people in a room I want to do testing in house and use for live setup as well - what you think is the cheapest option being 8 speakers. 1. What speakers should: (to buy) a) Monitors (near field) powered - would these work ? being near field. b) or just powered speakers. Please any ideas of what to buy with this setup thanks Darren -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20110505/48da4d92/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20110505/6e4a7dcf/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
