Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics for children's Museum
I'm quite embarrassed now! Of course, the Blue Ripple stuff mostly isn't free... > -Original Message- > From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of > Matthias Kronlachner > Sent: 04 November 2014 19:52 > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics for children's Museum > > On 03/11/14 17:21, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > > I would use a Linux box for decoding - most versatile, stable and cost > > effective. My decoder of choice is AmbDec, or you could try Matthias > > Kronlachner's AmbiX tools under Mac OS X. > The ambiX plug-ins work equally good under Windows :-) > Quite some people are happy with them in combination with the Ambisonic > Decoder Toolbox (https://bitbucket.org/ambidecodertoolbox/adt.git) > > Matthias > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics for children's Museum
On 03/11/14 17:21, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: I would use a Linux box for decoding - most versatile, stable and cost effective. My decoder of choice is AmbDec, or you could try Matthias Kronlachner's AmbiX tools under Mac OS X. The ambiX plug-ins work equally good under Windows :-) Quite some people are happy with them in combination with the Ambisonic Decoder Toolbox (https://bitbucket.org/ambidecodertoolbox/adt.git) Matthias ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics for children's Museum
On 11/04/2014 07:25 PM, Jeremy Keenan wrote: Agreed, the Rapture 3D package is very comprehensive and intuitive, not mention the decoder sounds brilliant! We'll be using it our listening space soon: http://www.callandresponse.org.uk/past.html As far as arrangement we use 13 speakers - 8 in all four corners and one in the centre of each wall and the ceiling. A nice thing about the system is that you can decode to different arrangements very flexibly. You're welcome to have a listen and a play if you ever make it to London :) Since we're at it, I've been lucky enough to be treated to a private session in Richard's London listening room earlier this year (which should suffice as a disclaimer). If I ever had an Ambisonics project with a real budget, and Richard could be persuaded to release his tools for real operating systems (which might not be too unlikely), these would be my first choice. The whole package was very slick indeed, and while it is quite pricey, the amount of creative thinking and solid engineering that went into it is impressive. While some plugins are just very good, quite a few are absolutely unique. Obviously I can't judge his decoder generator, because I only ever heard one system with no means of comparison, but what I heard was certainly very good. What I don't understand is how he manages to hang out at MPEG working group meetings on top of all the coding he does End of plug :) -- Jörn Nettingsmeier Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 Meister für Veranstaltungstechnik (Bühne/Studio) Tonmeister VDT http://stackingdwarves.net ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics for children's Museum
Agreed, the Rapture 3D package is very comprehensive and intuitive, not mention the decoder sounds brilliant! We'll be using it our listening space soon: http://www.callandresponse.org.uk/past.html As far as arrangement we use 13 speakers - 8 in all four corners and one in the centre of each wall and the ceiling. A nice thing about the system is that you can decode to different arrangements very flexibly. You're welcome to have a listen and a play if you ever make it to London :) On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Ben Bloomberg wrote: > We have been experimenting with Richard's product and it's been very useful > and well put-together. > It is probably one of the easiest to configure systems out there at the > moment. > > Ben > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Richard Furse wrote: > > > At the risk of marketing (I'm never sure how much is appropriate to send > > here? Let me know opinions off list!), you might also want to consider > the > > commercial Blue Ripple Sound TOA plugins and Rapture3D decoder. The > > Rapture3D decoder can handle irregular speaker layouts (though obviously > > large gaps between speakers will limit what can be done in those > > directions). > > > > BTW, and not yet posted here: the latest release of the TOA Manipulators > > adds the "TOA Zoom" plugin, which we think is very exciting. It allows an > > entire third order soundfield to be moved around in space (this can also > be > > thought of as a listener perspective transform). There's a new third > order > > compressor too. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > --Richard > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of > Jörn > > > Nettingsmeier > > > Sent: 03 November 2014 16:21 > > > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > > > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics for children's Museum > > > > > > Hi Jun, > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > I would use a Linux box for decoding - most versatile, stable and cost > > > effective. My decoder of choice is AmbDec, or you could try Matthias > > > Kronlachner's AmbiX tools under Mac OS X. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Jörn > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > ___ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20141104/cd745479/attachment.html > > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- www.jeremykeenan.info www.callandresponse.org.uk -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20141104/d4862df7/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics for children's Museum
We have been experimenting with Richard's product and it's been very useful and well put-together. It is probably one of the easiest to configure systems out there at the moment. Ben On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Richard Furse wrote: > At the risk of marketing (I'm never sure how much is appropriate to send > here? Let me know opinions off list!), you might also want to consider the > commercial Blue Ripple Sound TOA plugins and Rapture3D decoder. The > Rapture3D decoder can handle irregular speaker layouts (though obviously > large gaps between speakers will limit what can be done in those > directions). > > BTW, and not yet posted here: the latest release of the TOA Manipulators > adds the "TOA Zoom" plugin, which we think is very exciting. It allows an > entire third order soundfield to be moved around in space (this can also be > thought of as a listener perspective transform). There's a new third order > compressor too. > > Best wishes, > > --Richard > > > -Original Message- > > From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Jörn > > Nettingsmeier > > Sent: 03 November 2014 16:21 > > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics for children's Museum > > > > Hi Jun, > > > > [...] > > > > I would use a Linux box for decoding - most versatile, stable and cost > > effective. My decoder of choice is AmbDec, or you could try Matthias > > Kronlachner's AmbiX tools under Mac OS X. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Jörn > > > > [...] > > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20141104/cd745479/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics for children's Museum
At the risk of marketing (I'm never sure how much is appropriate to send here? Let me know opinions off list!), you might also want to consider the commercial Blue Ripple Sound TOA plugins and Rapture3D decoder. The Rapture3D decoder can handle irregular speaker layouts (though obviously large gaps between speakers will limit what can be done in those directions). BTW, and not yet posted here: the latest release of the TOA Manipulators adds the "TOA Zoom" plugin, which we think is very exciting. It allows an entire third order soundfield to be moved around in space (this can also be thought of as a listener perspective transform). There's a new third order compressor too. Best wishes, --Richard > -Original Message- > From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Jörn > Nettingsmeier > Sent: 03 November 2014 16:21 > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics for children's Museum > > Hi Jun, > > [...] > > I would use a Linux box for decoding - most versatile, stable and cost > effective. My decoder of choice is AmbDec, or you could try Matthias > Kronlachner's AmbiX tools under Mac OS X. > > > Regards, > > > Jörn > > [...] ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics for children's Museum
Hi Jun, On 10/31/2014 11:27 PM, ByungJun Kwon wrote: Hello, this is jun from Seoul, Korea. Now I'm engaged in designing the space as part of new children's museum in GaungJu where they can experience surround listening. It's the beginning stage and I'm researching possibilities considering using ambisonics. I'm glad to find this list and would like to ask some questions regarding the experience room. The sphere-like space is going to be sound-proofed and the main audience will be the kids. The sound source would be the soundscape of Asia and should be experienced very realistically. If I choose ambisonics, - What is the optimal size of the space considering the number of audience and surround image? > For instance do you think it's possible to host 30 kids in the space > while keeping the surround image? > - How many speakers and placements , are there guidelines? > - What do you recommend for decoding for more than 20 speakers? > - Do you know any museum that I may visit for similar experience? > > It will be greatly appreciated if you give any feedback on my basic > questions. > > Regards, Jun I would go for a slightly rectangular room. Gives you more evenly distributed room modes. Let's say you have six rows of five seats each. You could then go for a third-order hemisphere: a ring of eight at ear height a ring of six at around 30-40 degrees elevation a zenith speaker I would use a Linux box for decoding - most versatile, stable and cost effective. My decoder of choice is AmbDec, or you could try Matthias Kronlachner's AmbiX tools under Mac OS X. Regards, Jörn -- Jörn Nettingsmeier Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 Meister für Veranstaltungstechnik (Bühne/Studio) Tonmeister VDT http://stackingdwarves.net ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
[Sursound] Ambisonics for children's Museum
Hello, this is jun from Seoul, Korea. Now I'm engaged in designing the space as part of new children's museum in GaungJu where they can experience surround listening. It's the beginning stage and I'm researching possibilities considering using ambisonics. I'm glad to find this list and would like to ask some questions regarding the experience room. The sphere-like space is going to be sound-proofed and the main audience will be the kids. The sound source would be the soundscape of Asia and should be experienced very realistically. If I choose ambisonics, - What is the optimal size of the space considering the number of audience and surround image? For instance do you think it's possible to host 30 kids in the space while keeping the surround image? - How many speakers and placements , are there guidelines? - What do you recommend for decoding for more than 20 speakers? - Do you know any museum that I may visit for similar experience? It will be greatly appreciated if you give any feedback on my basic questions. Regards, Jun ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
