Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Rudy Chalupa]

There's the 360 degree pot on the Soundfield Mk V that lets you spin a first 
order Ambisonic image; it was/is accessible via the monitor path.
Cordially,
Rudy ChalupaPleiades Audio + Electronics


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From: Augustine Leudar 
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Subject: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering what
else?

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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Lucas]

Poop on poop people.  Just do it nicely ok?

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 4:51 AM Marc Lavallée  wrote:

> Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
>
> > What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
> > panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering
> what
> > else?
>
> Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
> pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
> involved),
>
> or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
> interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
>
> - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
>
> - long levers (like giant joysticks)
>
> - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
>
> Basically, any controller can be used.
>
> Marc
>
>
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Augustine Leudar]

Very relevant Hans thanks

On Sunday, 16 February 2020, hans w. koch  wrote:

> interesting discussion!
>
> maybe this is also relevant (from the analogue side of things):
> http://www.knasmusic.com/products/quadmassager/quadmassager.php
>
> and:
> https://koma-elektronik.com/?product=poltergeist-quadraphonic-audio-mixer-
> panner-vca
>
> best
>
> hans w. koch
>
> professor of sound
> academy of media arts cologne
> peter-welter-platz 2, 4. OG
> 50676 koeln
> hans.w.k...@khm.de
> >
> > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 16:54:53 +
> > From: Augustine Leudar 
> > To: Surround Sound discussion group 
> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?
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> >mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Yeah I actually know someone that did that though she connected them to
> > Max. Jenn Kirby.
>
>
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Fernando Lopez-Lezcano]

On 2/15/20 11:43 AM, David McKevy wrote:

Yes for azimuth planner!
Then again, did Varese use a panner for Corbusier Phillip's Pavillion?


If you have access, there are details here:

https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1162/comj.2009.33.2.24

Or:

http://www.cirma.unito.it/vep/reconstruction.html

http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~ich/research/misc/papers/cr1251.pdf

(apparently paper tapes - 4 channels? - were routing audio to clusters 
or individual speakers, as a many as 350 speakers were affixed to the 
walls, amazing...)


-- Fernando



On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 1:04 PM Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <
na...@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote:


On 2/15/20 5:15 AM, Augustine Leudar wrote:

Hi Marc
I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for

digital.

I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.


You need to get one of these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuth_Co-ordinator
:-)
-- Fernando

https://www.neptunepinkfloyd.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24035



On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:


Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :


What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering

what

else?


Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
involved),

or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
interactive installations, I built/used/seen:

- big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)

- long levers (like giant joysticks)

- cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...

Basically, any controller can be used.

Marc



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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[hans w. koch]

interesting discussion!

maybe this is also relevant (from the analogue side of things):
http://www.knasmusic.com/products/quadmassager/quadmassager.php

and:
https://koma-elektronik.com/?product=poltergeist-quadraphonic-audio-mixer-panner-vca

best

hans w. koch

professor of sound
academy of media arts cologne
peter-welter-platz 2, 4. OG
50676 koeln
hans.w.k...@khm.de
> 
> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 16:54:53 +
> From: Augustine Leudar 
> To: Surround Sound discussion group 
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?
> Message-ID:
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Yeah I actually know someone that did that though she connected them to
> Max. Jenn Kirby.



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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Augustine Leudar]

Yeah I actually know someone that did that though she connected them to
Max. Jenn Kirby.

On Sunday, 16 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:

> Le 20-02-16 à 11 h 09, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
>
> > Although obviously a pcb could be analogue... but you know what I
> mean
>
> Yes, of course. I'm not anti analog. :)
>
> What about using string potentiometers?
>
> Marc
>
> >
> > On Sunday, 16 February 2020, Augustine Leudar  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Marc I'm aware nearly everything has some kind of chip or pcb in
> it
> >> these days even if it "seems" analogue. I really am mainly interested in
> >> "pure" analogue things for this thread preferably with no digital
> >> components whatsoever. I am not anti digital or anything like that just
> >> curious.
> >>
> >> On Sunday, 16 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Le 20-02-15 à 12 h 20, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
> >>>
>  Thanks ,
>  Conan that modular thing looks great. I know a few people who just
> dont
>  like using computers for live electronica  but want to incorporate 3D
> >>> sound
>  - this would great,
>  a lot of them are really into their modular stuff too.
> >>> Many (most?) eurorack modules are using non-analog components. Eurorack
> >>> is not really the vinyl of modular synthesis.
> >>>
> >>> In the case of this Planar2 module, digipots chips could used, or the
> >>> whole thing could be digital, except for the analog pots of the
> joystick
> >>> (for some physically induced control signals). A quick search for
> images
> >>> of "intellijel planar2" reveals its STM32 Arm computer.
> >>>
> >>> Marc
> >>>
>  On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 16:54, Conan Wynne 
> wrote:
> 
> > I had some success in modular using a planar, if you had 2 you could
> do
> > some interesting stuff in 3D,
> >
> > https://intellijel.com/shop/eurorack/planar-2/
> >
> > On Sat 15 Feb 2020, 16:32 David McKevy, 
> >>> wrote:
> >> Makes me think of this (for starts), I believe the original is in a
> > museum
> >> in London.
> >>
> >>
> > https://reverb.com/item/2011345-polyfusion-qp-1-sound-a-
> >>> round-quad-panner
> >> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 8:16 AM Augustine Leudar <
> > augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Marc
> >>> I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for
> >> digital.
> >>> I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
> >>>
> >>> On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée 
> > wrote:
>  Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
> 
> > What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal
> >> only
> > panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was
> > wondering
>  what
> > else?
>  Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls
> >>> to
>  pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any
> computing
>  involved),
> 
>  or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound
> panners?
> > For
>  interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
> 
>  - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
> 
>  - long levers (like giant joysticks)
> 
>  - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
> 
>  Basically, any controller can be used.
> 
>  Marc
> 
> 
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Marc Lavallée]

Le 20-02-16 à 11 h 09, Augustine Leudar a écrit :

> Although obviously a pcb could be analogue... but you know what I mean

Yes, of course. I'm not anti analog. :)

What about using string potentiometers?

Marc

>
> On Sunday, 16 February 2020, Augustine Leudar 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Marc I'm aware nearly everything has some kind of chip or pcb in it
>> these days even if it "seems" analogue. I really am mainly interested in
>> "pure" analogue things for this thread preferably with no digital
>> components whatsoever. I am not anti digital or anything like that just
>> curious.
>>
>> On Sunday, 16 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:
>>
>>> Le 20-02-15 à 12 h 20, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
>>>
 Thanks ,
 Conan that modular thing looks great. I know a few people who just dont
 like using computers for live electronica  but want to incorporate 3D
>>> sound
 - this would great,
 a lot of them are really into their modular stuff too.
>>> Many (most?) eurorack modules are using non-analog components. Eurorack
>>> is not really the vinyl of modular synthesis.
>>>
>>> In the case of this Planar2 module, digipots chips could used, or the
>>> whole thing could be digital, except for the analog pots of the joystick
>>> (for some physically induced control signals). A quick search for images
>>> of "intellijel planar2" reveals its STM32 Arm computer.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
 On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 16:54, Conan Wynne  wrote:

> I had some success in modular using a planar, if you had 2 you could do
> some interesting stuff in 3D,
>
> https://intellijel.com/shop/eurorack/planar-2/
>
> On Sat 15 Feb 2020, 16:32 David McKevy, 
>>> wrote:
>> Makes me think of this (for starts), I believe the original is in a
> museum
>> in London.
>>
>>
> https://reverb.com/item/2011345-polyfusion-qp-1-sound-a-
>>> round-quad-panner
>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 8:16 AM Augustine Leudar <
> augustineleu...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Marc
>>> I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for
>> digital.
>>> I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée 
> wrote:
 Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :

> What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal
>> only
> panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was
> wondering
 what
> else?
 Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls
>>> to
 pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
 involved),

 or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners?
> For
 interactive installations, I built/used/seen:

 - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)

 - long levers (like giant joysticks)

 - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...

 Basically, any controller can be used.

 Marc


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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Augustine Leudar]

Although obviously a pcb could be analogue... but you know what I mean

On Sunday, 16 February 2020, Augustine Leudar 
wrote:

> Thanks Marc I'm aware nearly everything has some kind of chip or pcb in it
> these days even if it "seems" analogue. I really am mainly interested in
> "pure" analogue things for this thread preferably with no digital
> components whatsoever. I am not anti digital or anything like that just
> curious.
>
> On Sunday, 16 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:
>
>> Le 20-02-15 à 12 h 20, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
>>
>> > Thanks ,
>> > Conan that modular thing looks great. I know a few people who just dont
>> > like using computers for live electronica  but want to incorporate 3D
>> sound
>> > - this would great,
>> > a lot of them are really into their modular stuff too.
>>
>> Many (most?) eurorack modules are using non-analog components. Eurorack
>> is not really the vinyl of modular synthesis.
>>
>> In the case of this Planar2 module, digipots chips could used, or the
>> whole thing could be digital, except for the analog pots of the joystick
>> (for some physically induced control signals). A quick search for images
>> of "intellijel planar2" reveals its STM32 Arm computer.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> >
>> > On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 16:54, Conan Wynne  wrote:
>> >
>> >> I had some success in modular using a planar, if you had 2 you could do
>> >> some interesting stuff in 3D,
>> >>
>> >> https://intellijel.com/shop/eurorack/planar-2/
>> >>
>> >> On Sat 15 Feb 2020, 16:32 David McKevy, 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Makes me think of this (for starts), I believe the original is in a
>> >> museum
>> >>> in London.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> https://reverb.com/item/2011345-polyfusion-qp-1-sound-a-
>> round-quad-panner
>> >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 8:16 AM Augustine Leudar <
>> >> augustineleu...@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>>  Hi Marc
>>  I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for
>> >>> digital.
>>  I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
>> 
>>  On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée 
>> >> wrote:
>> > Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
>> >
>> >> What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal
>> >>> only
>> >> panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was
>> >> wondering
>> > what
>> >> else?
>> > Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls
>> to
>> > pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
>> > involved),
>> >
>> > or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners?
>> >> For
>> > interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
>> >
>> > - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
>> >
>> > - long levers (like giant joysticks)
>> >
>> > - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
>> >
>> > Basically, any controller can be used.
>> >
>> > Marc
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Augustine Leudar]

Thanks Marc I'm aware nearly everything has some kind of chip or pcb in it
these days even if it "seems" analogue. I really am mainly interested in
"pure" analogue things for this thread preferably with no digital
components whatsoever. I am not anti digital or anything like that just
curious.

On Sunday, 16 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:

> Le 20-02-15 à 12 h 20, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
>
> > Thanks ,
> > Conan that modular thing looks great. I know a few people who just dont
> > like using computers for live electronica  but want to incorporate 3D
> sound
> > - this would great,
> > a lot of them are really into their modular stuff too.
>
> Many (most?) eurorack modules are using non-analog components. Eurorack
> is not really the vinyl of modular synthesis.
>
> In the case of this Planar2 module, digipots chips could used, or the
> whole thing could be digital, except for the analog pots of the joystick
> (for some physically induced control signals). A quick search for images
> of "intellijel planar2" reveals its STM32 Arm computer.
>
> Marc
>
> >
> > On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 16:54, Conan Wynne  wrote:
> >
> >> I had some success in modular using a planar, if you had 2 you could do
> >> some interesting stuff in 3D,
> >>
> >> https://intellijel.com/shop/eurorack/planar-2/
> >>
> >> On Sat 15 Feb 2020, 16:32 David McKevy,  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Makes me think of this (for starts), I believe the original is in a
> >> museum
> >>> in London.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> https://reverb.com/item/2011345-polyfusion-qp-1-sound-
> a-round-quad-panner
> >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 8:16 AM Augustine Leudar <
> >> augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi Marc
>  I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for
> >>> digital.
>  I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
> 
>  On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée 
> >> wrote:
> > Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
> >
> >> What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal
> >>> only
> >> panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was
> >> wondering
> > what
> >> else?
> > Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
> > pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
> > involved),
> >
> > or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners?
> >> For
> > interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
> >
> > - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
> >
> > - long levers (like giant joysticks)
> >
> > - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
> >
> > Basically, any controller can be used.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Marc Lavallée]

Le 20-02-15 à 12 h 20, Augustine Leudar a écrit :

> Thanks ,
> Conan that modular thing looks great. I know a few people who just dont
> like using computers for live electronica  but want to incorporate 3D sound
> - this would great,
> a lot of them are really into their modular stuff too.

Many (most?) eurorack modules are using non-analog components. Eurorack
is not really the vinyl of modular synthesis.

In the case of this Planar2 module, digipots chips could used, or the
whole thing could be digital, except for the analog pots of the joystick
(for some physically induced control signals). A quick search for images
of "intellijel planar2" reveals its STM32 Arm computer.

Marc

>
> On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 16:54, Conan Wynne  wrote:
>
>> I had some success in modular using a planar, if you had 2 you could do
>> some interesting stuff in 3D,
>>
>> https://intellijel.com/shop/eurorack/planar-2/
>>
>> On Sat 15 Feb 2020, 16:32 David McKevy,  wrote:
>>
>>> Makes me think of this (for starts), I believe the original is in a
>> museum
>>> in London.
>>>
>>>
>> https://reverb.com/item/2011345-polyfusion-qp-1-sound-a-round-quad-panner
>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 8:16 AM Augustine Leudar <
>> augustineleu...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Marc
 I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for
>>> digital.
 I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.

 On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée 
>> wrote:
> Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
>
>> What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal
>>> only
>> panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was
>> wondering
> what
>> else?
> Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
> pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
> involved),
>
> or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners?
>> For
> interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
>
> - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
>
> - long levers (like giant joysticks)
>
> - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
>
> Basically, any controller can be used.
>
> Marc
>
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Marc Lavallée]

Le 20-02-16 à 08 h 47, Dave Malham a écrit :
> The "3d panner with inductance coils" was designed by Jacques Poullin for
> Pierre Schaeffer in 1951. It's well described in "Poullin, Jacques (1957)
> The application of recording techniques to the production of new musical
> materials and forms. Applications to ‘Musique Concrete’ National Research
> Council of Canada Technical Translation TT-646, Translated from the
> original in L’Onde Électrique 34 (324): 282-291, 1954 by D.A. Sinclair,
> Ottawa 1957". Interestingly it's not only a very early 3D panner (possibly
> only preceded by the system used in Disney's 'Fantasia') but also a very
> early example of voltage control - predating Moog by several years.
>
>   Dave

Also named "potentiomètre d'espace": 

https://reaktorplayer.wordpress.com/2016/07/19/pierre-henry-pioneer-musique-concrete/

Marc

>
> On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 19:46, Justin Bennett  wrote:
>
>> I sent the last mail off too late. and forgot to change the subject line,
>> sorry...
>>
>> Also, of course Stockhausen's panners for the Osaka Pavilion
>>
>> https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md5tgxLKE11rifgmco4_500.jpg
>>
>> and I seem to remember an early photo of the GRM Acousmonion with
>> some kind of 3d panner with inductance coils (or is that my imagination?)
>> If I find the links I will post them.
>>
>> best, Justin
>>
>>
>>> On 15 Feb 2020, at 18:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote:
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 12:36:47 +
>>> From: Augustine Leudar 
>>> To: Sursound@music.vt.edu
>>> Subject: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?
>>> Message-ID:
>>>   > ewlwm27rcu+tsyfbsuoig...@mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
>>> panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering
>> what
>>> else?
>>>
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>>> Artistic Director Magik Door
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Dave Malham]

The "3d panner with inductance coils" was designed by Jacques Poullin for
Pierre Schaeffer in 1951. It's well described in "Poullin, Jacques (1957)
The application of recording techniques to the production of new musical
materials and forms. Applications to ‘Musique Concrete’ National Research
Council of Canada Technical Translation TT-646, Translated from the
original in L’Onde Électrique 34 (324): 282-291, 1954 by D.A. Sinclair,
Ottawa 1957". Interestingly it's not only a very early 3D panner (possibly
only preceded by the system used in Disney's 'Fantasia') but also a very
early example of voltage control - predating Moog by several years.

  Dave

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 19:46, Justin Bennett  wrote:

>
> I sent the last mail off too late. and forgot to change the subject line,
> sorry...
>
> Also, of course Stockhausen's panners for the Osaka Pavilion
>
> https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md5tgxLKE11rifgmco4_500.jpg
>
> and I seem to remember an early photo of the GRM Acousmonion with
> some kind of 3d panner with inductance coils (or is that my imagination?)
> If I find the links I will post them.
>
> best, Justin
>
>
> > On 15 Feb 2020, at 18:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote:
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 12:36:47 +
> > From: Augustine Leudar 
> > To: Sursound@music.vt.edu
> > Subject: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?
> > Message-ID:
> >ewlwm27rcu+tsyfbsuoig...@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
> > panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering
> what
> > else?
> >
> > --
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> > Artistic Director Magik Door
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Augustine Leudar]

Good question. I also quite like Stockhausens solution of putting musicians
and noise generators on platforms that whirled round the auditorium. Not
practical for most of us though...

On Saturday, 15 February 2020, David McKevy  wrote:

> Yes for azimuth planner!
> Then again, did Varese use a panner for Corbusier Phillip's Pavillion?
>
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 1:04 PM Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <
> na...@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
>> On 2/15/20 5:15 AM, Augustine Leudar wrote:
>> > Hi Marc
>> > I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for
>> digital.
>> > I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
>>
>> You need to get one of these:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuth_Co-ordinator
>> :-)
>> -- Fernando
>>
>> https://www.neptunepinkfloyd.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24035
>>
>>
>> > On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
>> >>
>> >>> What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
>> >>> panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering
>> >> what
>> >>> else?
>> >>
>> >> Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
>> >> pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
>> >> involved),
>> >>
>> >> or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
>> >> interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
>> >>
>> >> - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
>> >>
>> >> - long levers (like giant joysticks)
>> >>
>> >> - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
>> >>
>> >> Basically, any controller can be used.
>> >>
>> >> Marc
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Justin Bennett]

I sent the last mail off too late. and forgot to change the subject line, 
sorry...

Also, of course Stockhausen's panners for the Osaka Pavilion

https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md5tgxLKE11rifgmco4_500.jpg

and I seem to remember an early photo of the GRM Acousmonion with 
some kind of 3d panner with inductance coils (or is that my imagination?)
If I find the links I will post them.

best, Justin


> On 15 Feb 2020, at 18:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote:
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 12:36:47 +
> From: Augustine Leudar 
> To: Sursound@music.vt.edu
> Subject: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?
> Message-ID:
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
> panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering what
> else?
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Augustine Leudar
> Artistic Director Magik Door
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[David McKevy]

Yes for azimuth planner!
Then again, did Varese use a panner for Corbusier Phillip's Pavillion?

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 1:04 PM Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <
na...@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote:

> On 2/15/20 5:15 AM, Augustine Leudar wrote:
> > Hi Marc
> > I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for
> digital.
> > I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
>
> You need to get one of these:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuth_Co-ordinator
> :-)
> -- Fernando
>
> https://www.neptunepinkfloyd.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24035
>
>
> > On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:
> >
> >> Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
> >>
> >>> What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
> >>> panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering
> >> what
> >>> else?
> >>
> >> Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
> >> pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
> >> involved),
> >>
> >> or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
> >> interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
> >>
> >> - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
> >>
> >> - long levers (like giant joysticks)
> >>
> >> - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
> >>
> >> Basically, any controller can be used.
> >>
> >> Marc
> >>
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Augustine Leudar]

Interesting to note that Pink Floyd started to experiment with surround
before Syd Barret left. I never really liked their stuff after he left -
but I would have loved to witness this gig :

https://www.wired.com/2009/05/dayintech-0512/

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 18:03, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <
na...@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote:

> On 2/15/20 5:15 AM, Augustine Leudar wrote:
> > Hi Marc
> > I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for
> digital.
> > I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
>
> You need to get one of these:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuth_Co-ordinator
> :-)
> -- Fernando
>
> https://www.neptunepinkfloyd.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24035
>
>
> > On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:
> >
> >> Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
> >>
> >>> What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
> >>> panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering
> >> what
> >>> else?
> >>
> >> Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
> >> pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
> >> involved),
> >>
> >> or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
> >> interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
> >>
> >> - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
> >>
> >> - long levers (like giant joysticks)
> >>
> >> - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
> >>
> >> Basically, any controller can be used.
> >>
> >> Marc
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Fernando Lopez-Lezcano]

On 2/15/20 5:15 AM, Augustine Leudar wrote:

Hi Marc
I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for digital.
I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.


You need to get one of these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuth_Co-ordinator
:-)
-- Fernando

https://www.neptunepinkfloyd.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24035



On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:


Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :


What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering

what

else?


Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
involved),

or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
interactive installations, I built/used/seen:

- big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)

- long levers (like giant joysticks)

- cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...

Basically, any controller can be used.

Marc


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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Conan Wynne]

They are great and with a few level attenuators you could put any signal
through them!

On Sat 15 Feb 2020, 17:21 Augustine Leudar, 
wrote:

> Thanks ,
> Conan that modular thing looks great. I know a few people who just dont
> like using computers for live electronica  but want to incorporate 3D sound
> - this would great,
> a lot of them are really into their modular stuff too.
>
> On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 16:54, Conan Wynne  wrote:
>
> > I had some success in modular using a planar, if you had 2 you could do
> > some interesting stuff in 3D,
> >
> > https://intellijel.com/shop/eurorack/planar-2/
> >
> > On Sat 15 Feb 2020, 16:32 David McKevy,  wrote:
> >
> > > Makes me think of this (for starts), I believe the original is in a
> > museum
> > > in London.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://reverb.com/item/2011345-polyfusion-qp-1-sound-a-round-quad-panner
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 8:16 AM Augustine Leudar <
> > augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Marc
> > > > I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for
> > > digital.
> > > > I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
> > > >
> > > > On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
> > > > >
> > > > > > What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal
> > > only
> > > > > > panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was
> > wondering
> > > > > what
> > > > > > else?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls
> to
> > > > > pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any
> computing
> > > > > involved),
> > > > >
> > > > > or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners?
> > For
> > > > > interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
> > > > >
> > > > > - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
> > > > >
> > > > > - long levers (like giant joysticks)
> > > > >
> > > > > - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
> > > > >
> > > > > Basically, any controller can be used.
> > > > >
> > > > > Marc
> > > > >
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Dave Hunt]

Over two decades ago I had a pair of quad pots made by Penny & Giles. Totally 
passive with conductive plastic tracks. Very nice, but limited to four outputs 
(or I suppose for mixing four inputs to mono), and fairly pricey. There wasn’t 
a lot else available at the time apart from the Audio & Design (??) ambisonic 
panner and decoder. This one doesn’t seem to be available any more.

I used them a few times, but sold them after they had been stuck in a cupboard 
for several years.

Otherwise it would be possible to construct something with a cheaper, more 
readily available, pan pot, and a bunch of VCA’s. As the pots in most quad pots 
don’t cover the whole of their range some sort of scaling and offset for each 
output is required, even for just four outputs. More outputs would require 
different scalings and offsets.

Or as Conan Wynne suggested, some Modular synth bits.

Ciao,

Dave Hunt

> From: Augustine Leudar 
> Subject: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?
> Date: 15 February 2020 at 12:36:47 GMT
> To: Sursound@music.vt.edu
> 
> 
> What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
> panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering what
> else?
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Augustine Leudar]

Thanks ,
Conan that modular thing looks great. I know a few people who just dont
like using computers for live electronica  but want to incorporate 3D sound
- this would great,
a lot of them are really into their modular stuff too.

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 16:54, Conan Wynne  wrote:

> I had some success in modular using a planar, if you had 2 you could do
> some interesting stuff in 3D,
>
> https://intellijel.com/shop/eurorack/planar-2/
>
> On Sat 15 Feb 2020, 16:32 David McKevy,  wrote:
>
> > Makes me think of this (for starts), I believe the original is in a
> museum
> > in London.
> >
> >
> https://reverb.com/item/2011345-polyfusion-qp-1-sound-a-round-quad-panner
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 8:16 AM Augustine Leudar <
> augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Marc
> > > I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for
> > digital.
> > > I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
> > >
> > > On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
> > > >
> > > > > What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal
> > only
> > > > > panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was
> wondering
> > > > what
> > > > > else?
> > > >
> > > > Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
> > > > pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
> > > > involved),
> > > >
> > > > or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners?
> For
> > > > interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
> > > >
> > > > - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
> > > >
> > > > - long levers (like giant joysticks)
> > > >
> > > > - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
> > > >
> > > > Basically, any controller can be used.
> > > >
> > > > Marc
> > > >
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Conan Wynne]

I had some success in modular using a planar, if you had 2 you could do
some interesting stuff in 3D,

https://intellijel.com/shop/eurorack/planar-2/

On Sat 15 Feb 2020, 16:32 David McKevy,  wrote:

> Makes me think of this (for starts), I believe the original is in a museum
> in London.
>
> https://reverb.com/item/2011345-polyfusion-qp-1-sound-a-round-quad-panner
>
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 8:16 AM Augustine Leudar 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Marc
> > I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for
> digital.
> > I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
> >
> > On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:
> >
> > > Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
> > >
> > > > What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal
> only
> > > > panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering
> > > what
> > > > else?
> > >
> > > Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
> > > pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
> > > involved),
> > >
> > > or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
> > > interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
> > >
> > > - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
> > >
> > > - long levers (like giant joysticks)
> > >
> > > - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
> > >
> > > Basically, any controller can be used.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[David McKevy]

Makes me think of this (for starts), I believe the original is in a museum
in London.

https://reverb.com/item/2011345-polyfusion-qp-1-sound-a-round-quad-panner

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 8:16 AM Augustine Leudar 
wrote:

> Hi Marc
> I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for digital.
> I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
>
> On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:
>
> > Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
> >
> > > What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
> > > panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering
> > what
> > > else?
> >
> > Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
> > pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
> > involved),
> >
> > or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
> > interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
> >
> > - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
> >
> > - long levers (like giant joysticks)
> >
> > - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
> >
> > Basically, any controller can be used.
> >
> > Marc
> >
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Augustine Leudar]

Hi Marc
I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for digital.
I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.

On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:

> Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
>
> > What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
> > panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering
> what
> > else?
>
> Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
> pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
> involved),
>
> or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
> interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
>
> - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
>
> - long levers (like giant joysticks)
>
> - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
>
> Basically, any controller can be used.
>
> Marc
>
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Marc Lavallée]

Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :

> What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
> panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering what
> else?

Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
involved),

or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
interactive installations, I built/used/seen:

- big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)

- long levers (like giant joysticks)

- cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...

Basically, any controller can be used.

Marc


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[Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

[Augustine Leudar]

What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering what
else?

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